TM 2025 - Wild Card Game (Day 6)

[Hu Tao]

If the town between you two can explain why you're town. Or what you would have done different as scum. It would help me decide. Please and thanks!

[Hu Tao]

When I get replies I want to look at voting history even though it hurt me in the past lol

[Dunnstral]

And you risking the no elim yesterday by waiting till 1 hr left to vote me seemed hella sus.

I would have voted for Imaginality if needed. Before you moved your vote off of them.

With 10 mins left? You don't see how risky that is?

What part is risky? I am saying I would have voted out Imaginality if it didn't look like people were budging before we hit the deadline.

[Dunnstral]

Like, how do you think the slot I would be pushing for most of the game and was clearing me would be my best kill?

Well, if you kill me instead, Hu Tao likely goes after you, and it's unclear how strong in their convictions TLM was.

I guess you could have killed Hu Tao. To be honest, I would have likely voted out TLM.

I guess what you are saying does make some sense; you could have killed other people.

[Dunnstral]

If the town between you two can explain why you're town. Or what you would have done different as scum. It would help me decide. Please and thanks!

Well, if I were mafia I wouldn't have voted for SMuffin on day 1 when I didn't need to, and I wouldn't have voted for C-Worl on day 2 when I didn't need to. That and I don't feel that the stances I took towards the rest of the town were scummy.

[santygrass]

Apologies yesterday I was kinda dying
(Remember some days ago when I said I was sick? Well it got worse but today I feel a bit better weh)

[santygrass]

As for your play in *today* in specific imo it feels like the three of us are doing a weird dance in which we dont want to commit to a stance and be wrong or reveal too much of our hand. So its kinds hard to infer much in specific.
Personally Im being a bit more careful to not repeat the push of what I didnpast day sussing imagin which was something that you bolstered (and Dunn until a certain point) which is like, great to get the yeet that I want but makes it easy for scum to capitalize and get advantage from if Im wrong

I did some meta diving on both of you and I have a good idea of who I would vote if i needed to. I also got some help from a team member. Waiting on others

Personally I am waiting on actually rereading some stuff which I... Just havent done yet sorry.
Adum also asked me for some time to do a meta dive on both of you , I wont because I dont really believe in meta reads having much accuracy on people you havent played before . It helps identify some things as NAI if anything

[santygrass]

Though like HT said last post I think Scum!Dunn with TLM and HT most likely loses since TLM sussed you, and HT was clearing TLM. Its something Im very aware of how it points to you the most. But as I said, its WIFOM because its something Scum!HT could know and play into it, so Im not considering it as much to be damning for you

My thinking for you is that you would have no other good kill, really, because at the end suspicion was thrown my way, and Hu Tao said they were clearing TLM.

And yes, Hu Tao could make a wifom kill, but they could also have simply killed you and voted for me with TLM, right? It instead seems like they would be trying to trick me, when I was already inclined to vote for them. It seems more risky to wifom like this.

Ehhhh idk on that end. I in specific was TLM most confident TR no? And I spent most of yesterday saying / pointing at TLM. I kinds think that in most scenarios Scum!me+TLM just win regardless of who the kill is between you and HT

I disagree. You saw me vote dunn yesterday, and you saw dunn say I was sus yesterday. So if you're scum the best nk was TLM 10/10 times. You couldn't nk dunn because I already stated TLM was clear to me. So your less appealing option was nk me, which was bad play since dunn thought I could be scum and make him reevaluate

Thats fair ig. But it kinda doesn matter if you were clearing TLM if they were clearing me. But nking you could have been even better as well. Dunn also thought TLM could be scum + TLM was pretty sus of Dunn. So I would be in a pretty good position and consistent with my setup on previous day.

Otherwise I just chimed and prodded at TLM to solve and not coast and how they shouldnt get a free pass , how they were not cleared and all that on what purpose? To just nk them ? I could just do nothing there and have them be the kill and focus more on putting more paranoia on you or Dunn idk.

Like me not having a clear answer at this point I think is more of an indicator of lack of setup which is something as scum I wouldnt have. If I had to vote rn Im leaning to someone, but we feel with 0 conviction currently

[santygrass]

If the town between you two can explain why you're town. Or what you would have done different as scum. It would help me decide. Please and thanks!

Eh. Sheep Koba hmmyes. Like, on a fundamental level as someone new to the community just double bussing (making viable both wagons) is super risky? And somewhat unnecesary. Because as Koba said, if I wanted to, I could've very easily pull the momentum or focus on other slots both D1 and D2.
Just to name one of my favs scum games, my first wolf game in MU was chammps semis in s9, and my team lf three were are alive in elo7, which then we just setted up/used the tools there to not lose even though town was strong af (wolf was yeeted in elo7, and we won in elo5. But I setted up myself that even if wolf was voted in elo5 I always won in elo3. ) This now turned out to be me bragging

[Hu Tao]

If the town between you two can explain why you're town. Or what you would have done different as scum. It would help me decide. Please and thanks!

Well, if I were mafia I wouldn't have voted for SMuffin on day 1 when I didn't need to, and I wouldn't have voted for C-Worl on day 2 when I didn't need to. That and I don't feel that the stances I took towards the rest of the town were scummy.

Can you tell me why you went after c worl start of day 1

[Hu Tao]

If the town between you two can explain why you're town. Or what you would have done different as scum. It would help me decide. Please and thanks!

Eh. Sheep Koba hmmyes. Like, on a fundamental level as someone new to the community just double bussing (making viable both wagons) is super risky? And somewhat unnecesary. Because as Koba said, if I wanted to, I could've very easily pull the momentum or focus on other slots both D1 and D2.
Just to name one of my favs scum games, my first wolf game in MU was chammps semis in s9, and my team lf three were are alive in elo7, which then we just setted up/used the tools there to not lose even though town was strong af (wolf was yeeted in elo7, and we won in elo5. But I setted up myself that even if wolf was voted in elo5 I always won in elo3. ) This now turned out to be me bragging

If you say that, if dunn was scum and i was conf town today (hypothetically). what benefit would it give him to vote before you in both of those same votes you did? Because it would seem his votes are the same as yours but 1 spot before each time making them better

[santygrass]

I think the <as someone new to the community> has more weight in bussing your whole team here. And also being there before is not the same as /making them viable/ so them being "better" I domt think is the same. But it is true that still the c-worl progression is something I have trouble seeing from mafia and still is my biggest point of doubt

[Hu Tao]

Thank you for your participation.

[Hu Tao]

I just wanna know dunn's response and I think I have which way I'm gonna go

[Dunnstral]

If the town between you two can explain why you're town. Or what you would have done different as scum. It would help me decide. Please and thanks!

Well, if I were mafia I wouldn't have voted for SMuffin on day 1 when I didn't need to, and I wouldn't have voted for C-Worl on day 2 when I didn't need to. That and I don't feel that the stances I took towards the rest of the town were scummy.

Can you tell me why you went after c worl start of day 1

Day 2 you mean, and it's because my reads shifted at the end of the day and start of day. Specifically, there being no kill plus the way rBree2 contributed a bit towards voting SMuffin made me believe they were more likely to be town. And to a lesser extent, my conversation with Ythan at the end of the day 1 made me feel they were less likely to be mafia as well. As Those would have otherwise been my two suspects, I needed to figure out new reads. C-Worl was the least town player for me among everybody else. I did explain my reads on everybody in post 1507.

And then as the day progressed, C-Worl's play did not make me think that their play was something I did not expect from mafia.

[Hu Tao]

Day 2* Sorry. Okay, yeah i can see that.

[Hu Tao]

Thank you for your participation.

[Hu Tao]

I feel like scum is waiting for me to vote wrong or vote them and are waiting me out.

[Hu Tao]

I'm probably voting soon though. Anyone have any thoughts for the class?

[santygrass]

I feel like scum is waiting for me to vote wrong or vote them and are waiting me out.

Do you *want* to make the first vote?

I think that instead of voting we could actually talk about who should be the first vote

[santygrass]

Adum asked me for time to meta dive both of you which is something they havent started (they have their own game to wlrry about still) . I intend to vote this Friday if no one does it until then, since I dont think stalling the vote until the end is good at all, if its game doesnt end we will still have time to discuss and I could properly dunk if needed.

I had checked some things on my own (I also had noted one possible perspective slip as pairing which is minda funny if true LOL). But if we agree on the first topic being <who we want to male the first vote> I personally lean to Dunn being the one making it since it feels like, the most passive one here. Maybe passive isnt the right word.
But HT got initiative both past day and now, and if scum they were starting the day kinda assuming to be the opening vote so I expect some sort of plan even if scum , whereas Scum!Dunn plan here would be to wait and see if we turn to each other ? So its the closest to a win-win

[Hu Tao]

I feel like scum is waiting for me to vote wrong or vote them and are waiting me out.

Do you *want* to make the first vote?

I think that instead of voting we could actually talk about who should be the first vote

Why would we as a group discuss who is the first vote?

[Hu Tao]

Please don't meta dive me, I'm scared you'll find out that this is my scum game

[santygrass]

I feel like scum is waiting for me to vote wrong or vote them and are waiting me out.

Do you *want* to make the first vote?

I think that instead of voting we could actually talk about who should be the first vote

Why would we as a group discuss who is the first vote?

I think for Elo7 and elo5 having an assigned order of who votes first is optimal. Elo3 not so much but I think there are situations in which making the slot you are sussing make the first vote is also the best

[santygrass]

Please don't meta dive me, I'm scared you'll find out that this is my scum game

Ngl since Imagin flipped green Adum's hubris has been through the roof if you are mafia and I dont listen to them Im never going to recover from this