Newbie 2145 - Night 1

[Alianna]

1.04

Votecount 1.04

Bellaphant (2): NicoleAndDime, Gumball
CCGeek (2): dareb, Andante
Andante (1): CCGeek
Spartan117 (1): Black

Not Voting (3): herodualies, Bellaphant, Spartan117

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2025-05-15 13:07:26).

Mod Notes

herodualies is being prodded.

[CCGeek]

notes to self and replies while rereading from the start:


- page 1 -

- i tried reading 22 in town and scum pov. the only world in which i think scum!andante has any motivation to voluntarily draw attention to herself like this at entry is one where she's confident enough to wrest off the early FoS in such a way that it is able to secure a solid town image for the rest of the day, bonus points if her partner is able to too somewhere along the line. i genuinely refuse to believe this type of gambit can be pulled off in a newbie game without any hitches, and it's much simpler to believe otherwise unless further evidence has been provided to encourage the scum!andante line of thought. my conclusion: this is likelier from town!andante.



- page 2 -

- 28: gumball appears to come from a meta where instantaneous pointing of fingers and heavy tonal analysis are the norm.

- i don't understand bella's p2. essentially voting gumball to the face followed by asking him to let everything breathe and turning the conversation away from the alleged 'non-rvs' vote she just cast into an unvote in p3 feels a little wishy-washy to me now. i would probably be able to make a definitive read fron this if i were better-versed in bella's meta. TvS is a less probable scenario from this interaction.



- page 3 -

VOTE: Andante I would like to hear more from her.

what would you like to hear? shakespeare? a "how to" on a topic of your choice? how work went for me?
can certainly give you more on those than anything game related, cause I can't even summarize what the conversations on page 2 were about

my answer to that would have been, and still is "how do you want to move the game forward?". the vote was a little boop on the nose in that regard, like "just come on and talk to us".

To me CCGeek's post feel

slightly manufactured, like they could be putting on a show of being helpful, bringing people into the conversation, investigating etc. but not actually contributing substantively.

Some of the posts remind me of my therapist, to be honest.

Given the stage of the game I'm giving it a pass right now, I can chalk it up to just trying to get the game moving, but will depend on how they loosen up later as I think we're passing that stage.

mm yeah not to use a meta argument but that's pretty much how i handle early d1s.
also, no offense taken, i did have a bit of a laugh.


- gumball/black feels TvT.

I personally read your 18 as something to get a reaction from, I didnt think it was genuine frustration which you have since said it is. I'm not quite sure how someone with game experience is surprised by RVS being in its essence what it is, a chaotic day start to try and tease out some reactions etc. (Which is exactly why I thought you had made that post when i read through to get reactions from people and push content but it doesnt seem that was the case) Your 22 seems like a huge stretch with no basis other than to throw shade at those that participated in RVS in the same way that a lot do.

You seem shocked that CCGeek has asked to hear more from you, with you saying you have no new game related thoughts, I personally would have asked a similar question as to your thoughts of the reactions and responses from others to what you said, since I thought you was trying to reaction test but it seems thats not the case,

...

i do not necessarily agree with calling andante's vote on me "scum panic", nor do i like the subtle pocketing this post reads as. however, i really like the essence of the point being made.



- page 4 -

- spartan vs andante is pretty much a natural extension of the conversation, i can't find anything to read further into this right now.

only thing worth mentioning: i don't think e-1 autohammers are really a thing in newbie games? atleast last i played, we pretty frequently talked about the importance of declaring intent to hammer first.



- page 5 -

- nicole is a townlean for me, so far from what i can tell, she has been reading carefully and throwing her observations out, this is not a fully fleshed out townread because of the lack of active pushing so far, which is probably explained by the pagecount and the amount of content.

- 112: hi spartan i'm doing p decent



- page 6 -

- learning that the voting meta is significantly different is a bit of a doozy, i'm with spartan on this one

- not much else on this page



- page 7 -

- agree with the bella read, surface level posting much



- page 8 -

- i dislike the bella/black interaction. the disengaging part felt a little performative. again, someone better-versed at bella's meta would probably be able to read this better. i'm inclined to



- page 9 -

VOTE: Spartan

166/167 feel particularly hedgy and I don't like how he invokes Andante to take a stance on the situation. Feels like he could have been waiting to see which way the thread falls on me before committing

my apologies but i don't exactly follow this. what part of 166 would you say felt hedgy to you? what about spartan asking andante to take a stance pings you poorly? asking because the 'could have been' doesn't feel like an adequate casuation to me. what does scum!spartan achieve by waiting and then asking andante to comment about you?



- page 10 -

- goddamnit, alianna host "the pagetop" strikes again

- earlygame readslist so far:

Townread:
Gumball

Townlean:
Nicole

Null (ordered):
Andante
Spartan
Black

FoS:
Bella

No Opinion, need to interact more with:
dareb

AFK
herodualies


huh. that took a lot more time than i thought it would, but also reading back is far less content than i thought i would have had.

anyways, i would like to think about bella a bit more, her posts have stuck out a bit too much to me. i will share my thoughts tomorrow morning after going through her interactions isolated with others. not voting rn, will decide tomorrow morning.

good night people.

[Bellaphant]

What am I missing irt Nicole? I feel like I'm going mad.


Kinda agree with Andante that there is one scum In the absent voices.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: spartan

This feels correct


(I'm slightly drunk, so come ask me the hard questions before I fall asleep)

[Black]

No questions your honor but I think your vote is in a good spot

[Black]

Ok I guess I am wondering if your read is similar to mine or if you have a different one?

[NicoleAndDime]

I won't be on much for tonight and potentially tomorrow, will catch up properly sometime then

[herodualies]

on page one rn. VOTE: adante

[herodualies]

herodualies replaces muddytracks.

Welcome Herodualies!

hi (still reading through right now)

[Spartan117]

hey guys, just getting time now to read back through the thread, ill post my thoughts as i read through.

Page 1 ---
Upon re-reading through I understand the frustration from Andante in 18 more now and why, i first thought it was a reaction test but it looks instead to be more wanting more pizzazz from the RVS than nearly naked votes.

Unsure if 22 is a genuine read, i see it more as trying to create some of that spice that they saw lacking from page 1.

CCGeeks entrance in 24 feels very natural and not performative at all.

Page 2 ---
Gumballs reasoning in 25 for appologising comment in 11 feels like a stretch and a bit forced but will see how their reads/scumhunting develops.

I like CCGeeks questioning in 27 feels very town, the way they question with an openness of exploring what Gumball thinks rather than just trying to throw shade, collaborative town vibes, could be forced but i don't think it is.

Bella drops a naked 'serious?' vote in 31 and Gumball responds with an OMGUS? vote in 32 While I do think the pressure Gumball puts on Bella here is coming from the right place, unsure if it could just be performative or not.

I dont like Gumballs 41 he takes his vote off with very little resistance pushed back on him, I get the feeling that he doesnt want to stand out too much with too strong a push on Bella so backs off, also could just be newb town and lack of experience scum hunting.

I like CCGeeks 44 calling out Gumballs missinfo in 28

Page 3 ---
I think CCGeeks vote in 54 is okay given they hinted at an air of curiosity on the slot in 52 as appose to it simply being a naked vote to jump onto a wagon out of completely nowhere.

I find Gumballs critique of blacks words and the subsequent vote for them in 58 feel somewhat forced to me, i dont really like it, I have no problem them sussing black and applying pressure, I just don't like the reasoning for it here. sounds very much like if you disagree or share criticism of me then i sus you for that which i dont understand.

As I said the first time around i didnt like Andante's 60 i understand its early on but to react in such a way when CCGeek is trying to apply some pressure for more info feels very awkward. with 62 and subsequent vote in 63 just questioning why they are being asked for info rather than simply attempting to try and work with CCGeek.

I like Blacks response in 64 responding to Gumballs imo sus 58 I like how she doesnt try and throw sus back but rates the effort of trying to hunt while affirming her position regarding it.

I disagree with Nicoles 69 could potentially be defending scum partner, with how others are reacting to they have presented their process.

I like Spartan's 71 best second post to ever grace a thread, post is clearly sus af putting Andante to E-1 so early but does he care, no he does not, because at the end of the day its about creating content and you gotta be prepared to live on the edge to make epic music and maybe also a slight lack of understanding that the meta aint what it used to be regarding E-1s, but oh well it charged the conversation so I think it was worth it.

I think Andante's response in 73 is calm and not very reactive, given that she has been put to E-1, defo gives off a more experienced vibe.

Page 4 ---
Agree with Nicoles 76

I think the whole conversation on hammering E-1 and E-1 being the same as wanting to elim someone at that moment is most likely NAI and just a difference of different metas experienced. While I may not agree with Andantes points on town hammering early day 1 based on my own experience of people declaring intent to hammer etc. I can see where she is coming from and felt the responses were of a general townie annoyance of past experiences than scum who was under threat of being elim'd early.

not a fan of Nicoles 96 which to me seemed like trying to direct me away from Andante who I was focusing on at the time.

I didnt like Andantes 94 which I countered in 98 showing the other votes on the wagon weren't RVS, I suppose from their POV they didnt think there was any potential sus on them and defo not enough to justify them being on E-1.

Page 5 ---
102 Black why do you think its more likely from a townie place than a scummy one? Most of it just feels a bit too forced for me.

I like Andantes calmness in 103 and lack of caring if they are scum read/pushed on.

I like their 110 too, would be far to easy to just throw shade back at me for what has happened, gives me townie vibes not to push for the sake of it and more trying to read situations for what they are. I also like that they didnt simply town read bella/nicole for agreeing with them throughout the convo, and while Andante doesnt feel like much has developed because of it I think while the convo may not have opened anything up completely, i think with some comparisons to similar dynamics later it could be an interesting comparison to see if the same sides are chosen.


Okay thats where I am up to so far, its got late here so I dont have the time to finish the rest tonight but ill be up tomorrow morning and continue with the rest of my re-read then, thank you guys for being patient, its been a long few days aha

[Spartan117]

VOTE: spartan

This feels correct


(I'm slightly drunk, so come ask me the hard questions before I fall asleep)

Ah i've just seen this, i wish i had been around earlier to have drunk chats, they are the best aha.

[herodualies]

not liking black very much. idk she’s defensive in a way i don’t like when poked. nicole has been objectively the towniest but i get paranoid when people are

too

towny so i want to keep an eye on that. gumball, im not sure what to think. maybe low hanging fruit, maybe scum idk. i think andante/spartan is probably either w/w or t/t, although that’s my least solid opinion. everyone else is neutral

[Andante]

but also reading back is far less content than i thought i would have had

yeah it's funny what happens when people just post naked votes, I try to poke at stuff yo get content, people start going at me for it, so I stop, and then half the PL is gone/has 0 interest

and there's only so much you can do with 3 voices.

how am I null to you? I have 50 posts

[Andante]

not liking black very much. idk she’s defensive in a way i don’t like when poked. nicole has been objectively the towniest but i get paranoid when people are

too

towny so i want to keep an eye on that. gumball, im not sure what to think. maybe low hanging fruit, maybe scum idk. i think andante/spartan is probably either w/w or t/t, although that’s my least solid opinion. everyone else is neutral

any thoughts on the gamestate being so slow?

[Andante]

I like their 110 too, would be far to easy to just throw shade back at me for what has happened, gives me townie vibes not to push for the sake of it and more trying to read situations for what they are. I also like that they didnt simply town read bella/nicole for agreeing with them throughout the convo, and while Andante doesnt feel like much has developed because of it I think while the convo may not have opened anything up completely, i think with some comparisons to similar dynamics later it could be an interesting comparison to see if the same sides are chosen.

it's kinda easy to not care when nothing is happening in a game, and like now I'm at the, I'm gonna give minimal effort cause literally no one else even seems to care.
I get we're all busy with life, but we all said we could play this game, where's everyone's interest in finding scum here?
and then like, one of the absent voices comes in with a readslist calling me null (while still leaving a vote on me)
like I am the only person here actively trying to drive conversations, yet we're calling me null? like you can very clearly either see me as scum trying to control thread or town trying to get literally anything to happen at this point, but I would argue no one should be null reading me, I should be leaning one way of the other, BUT that's only if you're actually trying to scumhunt...

VOTE: CCGeek

I like this vote tbh

[Bellaphant]

I was going to question the issue with the null read, as tbf Andante, I'm kinda nulling you too. But I'm a) not voting you b) I know you become more readable to me as the days progress.

[Bellaphant]

Ok I guess I am wondering if your read is similar to mine or if you have a different one?

I think I'm mainly underwhelmed in general? There's a lack of hard stances overall, but also the drive isn't there. I know I'm not doing much better and that bop isn't a great strategy, but the drunk mind wants what it wants

[Bellaphant]

not liking black very much. idk she’s defensive in a way i don’t like when poked. nicole has been objectively the towniest but i get paranoid when people are

too

towny so i want to keep an eye on that. gumball, im not sure what to think. maybe low hanging fruit, maybe scum idk. i think andante/spartan is probably either w/w or t/t, although that’s my least solid opinion. everyone else is neutral

Why is Gumball scummy? They are my top tr

[Gumball]

VOTE: unvote

I'm going to ruminate for a bit, I feel like it's time to get it right.

Brief thought herodualies reads have quite a bit of "this is either wolf or town". Not sure if that's indicative of anything besides the game being hard, it just stood out.

Second brief thought I feel like I like the new/different opinions more than the ones that are a rehash of what others have said. I think if I was scum and trying to enter a thread I'd been absent from I'd find it easier to sidle onto an existing wagon than to disagree with everyone.

[herodualies]

not liking black very much. idk she’s defensive in a way i don’t like when poked. nicole has been objectively the towniest but i get paranoid when people are

too

towny so i want to keep an eye on that. gumball, im not sure what to think. maybe low hanging fruit, maybe scum idk. i think andante/spartan is probably either w/w or t/t, although that’s my least solid opinion. everyone else is neutral

any thoughts on the gamestate being so slow?

not really tbh. this seems average to me. do the games here usually go faster?

[herodualies]

not liking black very much. idk she’s defensive in a way i don’t like when poked. nicole has been objectively the towniest but i get paranoid when people are

too

towny so i want to keep an eye on that. gumball, im not sure what to think. maybe low hanging fruit, maybe scum idk. i think andante/spartan is probably either w/w or t/t, although that’s my least solid opinion. everyone else is neutral

Why is Gumball scummy? They are my top tr

imo they’ve been backing down on a lot of their opinions really quickly whenever its contested. im unsure whether i want to read that as easily swayed lhf or scum trying to not be noticed. on that note, does mafia have daychat? because i think that would probably clear gumball a bit if they did

[Bellaphant]

I guess I see that a lot in my own sorting process, unless I've got something I'm stuck on to (like all the unexplained trs of Nicole being weird), so I don't dislike it.

Also, page 1: Mafia and Masons (if applicable) are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

[Bellaphant]

Oh, Nicole is Meg. I can't read Meg. I am unsure of whether they've read me right before.

gumball, andnate, herod, black can be town, probably in that order.

[Black]

Spartan's giant catch up post feels scummy to me idk. I think scum is more likely to do this type of deep dive on 4 pages of content after getting wagoned. I think he's trying to show people he's solving but the solving itself doesn't feel natural

[Alianna]

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