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[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Lycanfire

This one

[BlueTrin]

I think you should give us an alternative lim that's not hu tao

I found MM a bit strange on D1 but alright I’ll come up with a list in the train or something.

Not really because I want to be saved but I feel like my recent contributions in the games I was were a bit lacklustre.

Call it pride or something.

I’ll try to do better from the beginning in my next games.

Catching up on D1 100 pages is insane … tried to do that this weekend,

[Aureal]

VOTE: Lycanfire

This one

Why this one

[Andante]

I found MM a bit strange on D1

a lot of us did, if you expanded on this read, that alone would probably save you and send votes there

[Andante]

Catching up on D1 100 pages is insane … tried to do that this weekend,

yeah it's why I didn't do anything day 1 after I had my sr on LH

[Aureal]

I found MM a bit strange on D1

a lot of us did, if you expanded on this read, that alone would probably save you and send votes there

I keep saying it, but it

would

be really lovely if townies could stop trying to find ways to infight like this

I really hoped a redLH flip would build this trust, but it seems things fractured too much with the extra wagoning going on

[Aureal]

Also why don't you want Blue to case Kawaii? You're calling Kawaii obvscum, but you don't want someone to even think about helping build that wagon?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Lycanfire

This one

Why this one

Let's say that other people have signs pointing to them as town and for Lycanfire I don't see that. And their posting today is lame.

[BlueTrin]

I found MM a bit strange on D1

a lot of us did, if you expanded on this read, that alone would probably save you and send votes there

Btw I am not too attached in being saved: it’s more like I think it’s unfair to others if I don’t try to provide reads since town may get a mislim. And although mislim is not the end of the world, I’ll just try to play my role.

Since you asked:

This one is vague but it will trigger me more since I am the target … (I concede that I guess?)

Spoiler:

Ugh. I'm getting bad vibes about BlueTrin in general, but I don't know why and I can't even pinpoint a post. I think my brain's having a mafia overload lol, will be back later.

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I found this one strange because Andante do not post progression I think. I am always surprised by Andante actions and changes myself.

Spoiler:

tipsy hiraki here (not as bad as that one night in greek mythology sheeesh)

let's see how much we can get through here

Dionysus smiles down upon thee

(also I am with you lol)

Damn, there's been Sol Invictus frowning and Dionysus smiling so far. Do you think we can get Wodan making a neutral face too?

Do I interpret this correctly when I see your top townread is IT?

nah it's unordered

Ah, so "town i think" = "town"? ok
I... kind of fail to picture your progression, to be honest. Like, your

general

progression. It feels like we're playing a different game or something lol. Perhaps an ISO will help me figure things out

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This one triggered me a bit because he’s a bit defensive (use of sarcasm and meme)

Spoiler:

also you voting me is definitely aligned with me voting you lol there's a reason why my post is 'bad' (ie you just need further clarification) when other people post less

pre-edit: lmao there it is

If you just want clarifications of reasons already stated, you can just, you know, ask... xD

And I'd like to note that it's not the same thing as simply failing to provide reasonings or conclusions. The two should always go hand in hand. Mafia is a communication game, and we cannot exactly guess elements that remain in your mind. Don't you try to drag my immaculate posting into the mud of unstated thoughts.

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This is maybe a playstyle but I think the points MM makes here are a bit forced:

Spoiler:

Blue/Hu have partner equity I think

That’s interesting, please can you elaborate.

521 kinda felt like she was gauging my interest in moving off of your wagon

536 felt hedgy and I feel like the appropriate response to "do you have a read on Hu?" would be "not really"...instead you felt the need to come up with

something

and it feels a little forced

543 coming 10 minutes after you already answered the question felt like nervous oversharing

Makes sense to interpret like this.

FYI for your second point I am just unsure.

For your last point, I am just phone posting and I knew I forgot something as I typed it, I remembered when re-reading the last pages. (Oops pedit MM just made a comment about phone posting)

I wanted to post about the pocketing because I thought it was funny, I just couldn’t resist and thought about typing “feels nice in this warm pocket” (sorry but not sorry)

This is very awkward. Reading the posts Black brought up, the first two do look weird (and I think the third is just a funny joke lol). Why in the world would you say that it "makes sense to interpret like this", if you know you're town (i.e. assuming you are indeed town)?

As for the second point, it's a lot of words to say "maybe". Now, that isn't damning in itself, as it could be simply to lay your thought process bare (which is good), but then there's also the weird "I guess?" after a bland sentence at the end of the post, which really is typical of W/W interactions.

For reference, this is the "second point" post:

I’ll pass on this challenge

Do you have a read on Hu Tao?

Nothing solid, there is I think a discrepancy where he says Kawai is not in his town meta and someone said the opposite.

He is pushing votes around which is to me not very AI.

He is active and not too bothered he was pushed which is not very AI for an experienced player I guess?

Should Hu Tao flip scum, Blue probably does so as well. He doesn't really have any towny points that I can see, either, so I'm comfortable putting him as >rand scum here.

He kept saying I have scum equity with Hu Tao, I don’t think his reasons for that were very good.

During the spat the points he made against me are a bit forced 1121 was about the use of the word opportunity. Earlier he made a point about me using a question mark in “I guess?”

His point was that I had TMI on a gut read, which makes not much sense to me.

When I replied harshly to see his reaction, it felt like he doubled down, instead of letting it go. 1126 1134

Once he had his spat with me he was quite dismissive when I put points against him, just implying that I am a disgruntled townie.

I mean someone who plays more with him, should give a second opinion. I feel like he’s a bit more aggressive and make less good points than in the other game I played with him. The use of more sarcasm triggers me but maybe he’s just more grumpy this game

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Does kawaii make the second vote on LH mid day 2 tho

I assume this is the conclusion Hu Tao already reached and brought me to, but poorly stated (because LH died on D1)? Or am I mistaken?

I'm going to assume MM is a wolf if they vote me without reading my posts. Wolfy stuff

You're welcome to present a case on your townness if there's something I missed. You're even more welcome to provide something like a list of reads to help us situate you in the game, considering you've remained on the sidelines.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Voting me won't force me to give anything. So you can e1 me if you want. I still won't claim. And you're without your pr so have fun with that one.

That being said, can yall vote blue

I'm going to conclude that you are in fact not an investigative with a meaningful result; if you in fact are, you are currently playing in a way that is horribly suboptimal. Una, if you have something

incriminating

about Hu Tao, you should claim it, because that would mean she becomes a prime suspect (and it means there's a lot to unpack because she can't be scum with everyone).

[Hu Tao]

like, why are you wanting a hard claim here when we have an obvious scum?

On a scale of 1-10 how confident are you kawaii is scum here

I wouldn't be mad if yall go elsewhere if someone was confident, but looking at LH's ISO and their interactions, you can not tell me these 2 aren't partners

I think kawaii is town. Im not really certain but I think his vote was good, so id rather not go there. I think blue has played better when he was pressured. Im willing to sheep you if you'd like, anyone else you sus?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

3 in like MM, KK, Dunn, Enchant, Blue, Aureal, Lycan
Perhaps with a side of Hu / Black, if we really get down this list but I did re read some of the game today to try and restoke the flames so to speak anyhow decided I don’t think it’s Black, she could be snowing me but reads townie Hu is tougher to read but I think she’s just being a town silly billy
Of my list in order of who I’d like to go
Aureal, KK, Dunn/Enchant, Blue, Lycan/MM
/‘s are same tier
MM looks better but they still pinged me the day before, no I don’t remember what, people seem to be off him but meh

Are you saying this because you felt like MM was overly aggressive them showed some self preservation since he got a few votes sticking to him?

I don’t think there would be the numbers to vote MM anyway.

To be clear, my way of self-preserving is solving and hoping other townies realize I'm doing so. To be even clearer, I don't give a shit about "having a few votes sticking on me" - and I'd like other people to react by solving when they're being pushed, including by analyzing their own push. It's helpful in many ways.

I am a bit sorry for the lackluster slot. I got hit in the queue of too many games at once then once I have more time (now) I find be amount of pages a bit overwhelming to catch up rather than just going with the flow.

There is something with large games that makes it a bit hard for me to see info from fluff.

Anyway let me know when I should claim LOL

Your posts are extremely awkward, but the awkwardness strikes me as coming more from your natural tone (and even grammar xD) than from your alignment. I also don't think you should claim. However, it would be very helpful if you could do something like... idk, analyze the Aureal attackers and give your take on that. If that's too heavy for you, try ISOing slots with little activity, and provide your analyses afterwards.

[BlueTrin]

English is not my first language.

[BlueTrin]

(mostly phone posting and being neurodivergent may be factors too)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Spoiler: quotes

I found MM a bit strange on D1

a lot of us did, if you expanded on this read, that alone would probably save you and send votes there

Btw I am not too attached in being saved: it’s more like I think it’s unfair to others if I don’t try to provide reads since town may get a mislim. And although mislim is not the end of the world, I’ll just try to play my role.

Since you asked:

This one is vague but it will trigger me more since I am the target … (I concede that I guess?)

Spoiler:

Ugh. I'm getting bad vibes about BlueTrin in general, but I don't know why and I can't even pinpoint a post. I think my brain's having a mafia overload lol, will be back later.

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I found this one strange because Andante do not post progression I think. I am always surprised by Andante actions and changes myself.

Spoiler:

tipsy hiraki here (not as bad as that one night in greek mythology sheeesh)

let's see how much we can get through here

Dionysus smiles down upon thee

(also I am with you lol)

Damn, there's been Sol Invictus frowning and Dionysus smiling so far. Do you think we can get Wodan making a neutral face too?

Do I interpret this correctly when I see your top townread is IT?

nah it's unordered

Ah, so "town i think" = "town"? ok
I... kind of fail to picture your progression, to be honest. Like, your

general

progression. It feels like we're playing a different game or something lol. Perhaps an ISO will help me figure things out

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This one triggered me a bit because he’s a bit defensive (use of sarcasm and meme)

Spoiler:

also you voting me is definitely aligned with me voting you lol there's a reason why my post is 'bad' (ie you just need further clarification) when other people post less

pre-edit: lmao there it is

If you just want clarifications of reasons already stated, you can just, you know, ask... xD

And I'd like to note that it's not the same thing as simply failing to provide reasonings or conclusions. The two should always go hand in hand. Mafia is a communication game, and we cannot exactly guess elements that remain in your mind. Don't you try to drag my immaculate posting into the mud of unstated thoughts.

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This is maybe a playstyle but I think the points MM makes here are a bit forced:

Spoiler:

Blue/Hu have partner equity I think

That’s interesting, please can you elaborate.

521 kinda felt like she was gauging my interest in moving off of your wagon

536 felt hedgy and I feel like the appropriate response to "do you have a read on Hu?" would be "not really"...instead you felt the need to come up with

something

and it feels a little forced

543 coming 10 minutes after you already answered the question felt like nervous oversharing

Makes sense to interpret like this.

FYI for your second point I am just unsure.

For your last point, I am just phone posting and I knew I forgot something as I typed it, I remembered when re-reading the last pages. (Oops pedit MM just made a comment about phone posting)

I wanted to post about the pocketing because I thought it was funny, I just couldn’t resist and thought about typing “feels nice in this warm pocket” (sorry but not sorry)

This is very awkward. Reading the posts Black brought up, the first two do look weird (and I think the third is just a funny joke lol). Why in the world would you say that it "makes sense to interpret like this", if you know you're town (i.e. assuming you are indeed town)?

As for the second point, it's a lot of words to say "maybe". Now, that isn't damning in itself, as it could be simply to lay your thought process bare (which is good), but then there's also the weird "I guess?" after a bland sentence at the end of the post, which really is typical of W/W interactions.

For reference, this is the "second point" post:

I’ll pass on this challenge

Do you have a read on Hu Tao?

Nothing solid, there is I think a discrepancy where he says Kawai is not in his town meta and someone said the opposite.

He is pushing votes around which is to me not very AI.

He is active and not too bothered he was pushed which is not very AI for an experienced player I guess?

Should Hu Tao flip scum, Blue probably does so as well. He doesn't really have any towny points that I can see, either, so I'm comfortable putting him as >rand scum here.

He kept saying I have scum equity with Hu Tao, I don’t think his reasons for that were very good.

During the spat the points he made against me are a bit forced 1121 was about the use of the word opportunity. Earlier he made a point about me using a question mark in “I guess?”

His point was that I had TMI on a gut read, which makes not much sense to me.

When I replied harshly to see his reaction, it felt like he doubled down, instead of letting it go. 1126 1134

Once he had his spat with me he was quite dismissive when I put points against him, just implying that I am a disgruntled townie.

I mean someone who plays more with him, should give a second opinion. I feel like he’s a bit more aggressive and make less good points than in the other game I played with him. The use of more sarcasm triggers me but maybe he’s just more grumpy this game

My god, this is the incarnation of scumreading someone for entirely contingent elements of their play... Perhaps I'm not being objective lol but I find it hard to believe someone would actually build their read on

this

, especially when there's so much content to read me on. Like... really, trying to push people to solve them and making jokes as opposed to lashing out and making the game unfun is scummy now? I could perhaps understand this in a newbie game, but this isn't a newbie game. It feels dishonest.

I'm not sure what I think of BT anymore don't think this is enough to entirely shake my earlier townread on him, but eww. BT, I'm gonna need more than that from you lol (cf. my last post).

pre-post edit:

English is not my first language.

Yep, we established that last game we played together it's part of why I analyzed your awkwardness that way. I'd really like to see your thoughts on the Aureal push, on its actors, on Aureal herself, etc.: right now, I have little to read you on apart from your interactions with me, and I feel like this is a depleted vein of information.

[BlueTrin]

Why do you focus on Aureal btw?

Because I don’t know her I think I would have negative bias due to her playstyle but for example her last exchange with Andante is +towny but short enough it could be easily faked.

This is also why I am not too sure ISO alone is helpful with experienced players: if I was to iso someone like Black without context, I’d never know whether the person is faking or expressing their real thoughts without the context.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Why do you focus on Aureal btw?

It's hilarious that you'd ask

me

that now when like half the thread was going insane about her for what appears to be no bloody reason XD

To answer your question, I'm asking because she was a major topic; there are lots of interactions to analyze and I'd like you to express

original thoughts

that aren't lackluster.

Because I don’t know her I think I would have negative bias due to her playstyle but for example her last exchange with Andante is +towny but short enough it could be easily faked.

This is also why I am not too sure ISO alone is helpful with experienced players: if I was to iso someone like Black without context, I’d never know whether the person is faking or expressing their real thoughts without the context.

I mean, you can't only read people you know... ISOs also help... idk what to do with you if you basically refuse to try and solve people lol

If Aureal feels too heavy for you, what about Lycanfire? Easy, short ISO. Looks scummy to me, especially the "Look at me I'm relevant" vote on LH out of nowhere, which looks TMI-y to me. What are your thoughts on Lycan?

[BlueTrin]

I am not asking why Aureal makes sense generally, I was asking why you asked ME to focus on Aureal btw.

I can add my take on Aureal later but from just having read her posts with the flow, it’s gonna be something like “she looks scummy but it’s playstyle maybe” so I’ll need to look at interactions.

[BlueTrin]

Do you expect me to be able to add more info on Aureal to make it go one way or the other?

[Andante]

like, why are you wanting a hard claim here when we have an obvious scum?

On a scale of 1-10 how confident are you kawaii is scum here

I wouldn't be mad if yall go elsewhere if someone was confident, but looking at LH's ISO and their interactions, you can not tell me these 2 aren't partners

I think kawaii is town. Im not really certain but I think his vote was good, so id rather not go there. I think blue has played better when he was pressured. Im willing to sheep you if you'd like, anyone else you sus?

not gonna lie, I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to the game, life been crazy lol currently considering swapping jobs to one with an hour commute... lmao
this afternoon I'll give this a good look, Mashmellow has said a few questionable things, but other than that idk.
Unah said something that got me looking into LH, outside that, I couldn't tell you much about the game, LH iso reads very partnered with Kawaii, I wanted to look at that fire/ice game they mentioned they were scum together in to compare, but I can't shake that read lol

[UnaBombaH]

not gonna lie, I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to the game, life been crazy lol currently considering swapping jobs to one with an hour commute... lmao

I had a job like that for 4-5 years. Burned myself out in the end. So if you do that, stay mindful of your energy levels and try to use that travel time as a clear separation barrier between work and home.
Don't let it become an extension of worktime - if at all possible.

[Black]

Blue seems town

[Black]

VOTE: Lycanfire

[BlueTrin]

Blue seems town

Do you TR me for similarities with the game we just ended?

I TR you because I think you seem fairly genuine in the way you said you were busy in our game we just finished.