Mini Normal 2369: Miscelaneous (Day 4)

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VC 3.05

Hu Tao (3):

Black 1485, LH75 1620, light_ganski 1648

Aureal (1):

geraintm 1443

Black (1):

Hiraki 1467

Ircher (1):

Hu Tao 1673

Not Voting:

BlueTrin, Ircher 1574, Aureal 1691

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2025-07-07 14:50:00)

[BlueTrin]

Light wrote it better than I could in 1645.

I don’t understand why Hu is saying everything should be solved statistically while refusing to add more to the read or refusing to clarify?

[BlueTrin]

Damn it I was too slow for Pagetop …

[geraintm]

VOTE: hu toa
I have seen nothing since I posted yesterday from them that makes me think they are less likely to be scum. Focusing on this 1 in 3 chance when it is strictly a bad play just makes no sense

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

Hu, if Ircher is a wolf who would he be partnered with? He was defending my slot which was probably the easiest miselimination target when Kawaii was in it. He seems rather on the less generally townread side of things and might end up getting wagoned himself so it's a little hard to see why he'd do that as a wolf.

I usually don't do team reads like that. I just focus on individual sus reads. And group them up.

You need to give us a bit more, because if not it looks like you are trying to not leak info.

Yes. Exactly what im doing

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: hu toa
I have seen nothing since I posted yesterday from them that makes me think they are less likely to be scum. Focusing on this 1 in 3 chance when it is strictly a bad play just makes no sense

VOTE: gera

[Hu Tao]

As I stated I am the tracker inno. You cannot say what im doing is bad play if you are town and choose to eliminate me. It is statistically worse to vote me then in the group of 3.

[Hu Tao]

Id say at least 1 of black and gera are scum on me now. I think only 1 scum might be on me at this point though. They want to be off the wagon when I flip town. I think lh and light are town here.

[Ircher]

VOTE: hu toa
I have seen nothing since I posted yesterday from them that makes me think they are less likely to be scum. Focusing on this 1 in 3 chance when it is strictly a bad play just makes no sense

VOTE: gera

So you've gone from voting Blue -> me -> Gera in the past 24-48 hours. Can you explain your progression here?

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prodding Black

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prodding Hiraki

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: hu toa
I have seen nothing since I posted yesterday from them that makes me think they are less likely to be scum. Focusing on this 1 in 3 chance when it is strictly a bad play just makes no sense

VOTE: gera

So you've gone from voting Blue -> me -> Gera in the past 24-48 hours. Can you explain your progression here?

Each of you had posts worth voting over

[Ircher]

VOTE: hu toa
I have seen nothing since I posted yesterday from them that makes me think they are less likely to be scum. Focusing on this 1 in 3 chance when it is strictly a bad play just makes no sense

VOTE: gera

So you've gone from voting Blue -> me -> Gera in the past 24-48 hours. Can you explain your progression here?

Each of you had posts worth voting over

I see that, but my question here is whether your switch in vote reflects a change in read for whoever you were previously voting. If the scum reads are equal in strength, why did you feel the need to switch your vote each time.

[Hu Tao]

Each post got worse

[Ircher]

VOTE: Hu Tao
I tire of the non-answers.

[Aureal]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Hammering without a claim, no counter-wagon, with two players afk long enough to get prodded?

I'm not getting my hopes up for a red flip here but if I somehow actually spooked wolves into bussing I'll call that a victory?

[Ircher]

Hu Tao received several chances to engage properly and spurned it each time. The refusal leads me to believe this is true:

If Hu Tao were actually town here, I'd have expected her to at least try and either actually defend that positioning, or acknowledge some of the flaws in it. I think instead her conversation with me indicates that she thinks she is likely to be eliminated soon, and she doesn't want to create any issues for her buddies by accidentally giving too much away.

And I don't think we're served by arbitrarily waiting until deadline to fade someone.

[Aureal]

If only Hu Tao was that easy to read and played townily as town

But since you're here, wanna talk about who you think is partnered with Hu Tao, like I was trying to ask in response to that statement?

[Ircher]

Idk.. I thought the geraint/Black/Hu Tao yolo solve had merit, but more so from an individual basis rather than a partnered team.

[Aureal]

Well... both of them are voting her here. So if you're suggesting that as a team I think the "she's going to get eliminated soon and trying not to give things away" theory is maybe a bit weak seeing as Black was the first vote and suspicion on her?

[Hiraki]

yeah I had more to say from LH's response but American shenanigans prohibited that one

I'm not really against this elim tho

[Aureal]

yeah I had more to say from LH's response but American shenanigans prohibited that one

I'm not really against this elim tho

You still think Black is sus or no?

[light_ganski]

So, light, where do you think Hu's teammates are in this case? Are they bussing her or just ignoring her situation?

Not gonna do much detail bcos I'm drunk and w my girls but I wanna reply before the flip

I think LH is never scum and I was almost as confident for Ircher (still am really) but I wish we'd at least gotten a claim before the hammer. Maybe I'm too cautious tho. Hiraki I havent really evaluated today but TR as well.

That leaves a pool of {you, black, geraint, bluetirm}

I thought the lack of a counter wagon indicated scum was more likely than not letting Hu Tao go down without much of a fight which implicates those on the wagon.

I thought your unvote was interesting because if you were scum it might be you trying to belatedly save her, but I think it's less likely than scum letting her go down rn.

[Aureal]

You're more optimistic than I, lol

I went from "...?" to "...?!?" about this wagon as the pressure continued to build to where we are now despite my unvote.

I did notice that you largely addressed my concern about the wagon before I'd even said why I was concerned, just wanted to see if you'd more fully considered the gamestate.

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VC 3.FINAL

Hu Tao (5):

Black 1485, LH75 1620, light_ganski 1648, geraintm 1703, Ircher 1714

[Eliminated]

Black (1):

Hiraki 1467

geriantm (1):

Hu Tao 1705

Not Voting:

BlueTrin, Aureal 1691

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2025-07-07 14:50:00)