Goo Mafia - Night 3

[Human]

one more quick thing b4 I go tho

@Human

: You voted Hascow before Dunn d1 but I don't think you've mentioned him much, if at all since d2 started - did something happen that gave you a townread on them, or are other people scummier, what are your thoughts on them?

Honestly? I don't remember why I SRed them, they are in my null zone rn, especially with mech stuff going on.

[Human]

Also, I think we need more pressure on Gooey, on re-reading Delta, I think I've just been tunneling a bit, they are agressive, but not exactly SCUM ALERT!
UNVOTE: DeltaBreedy
VOTE: GammaGooey

[Human]

Buy: Bodygaurd

[Enchant]

I mean it's not really womp womp - I want to see what you see but I really don't at the moment.

Can you put your ego to one side for a sec on this?

There's nothing to win, what you gonna do, vote me?

You can't even vote Dunn, so away with you vile beggar.

Enchant, this isn't AI for you specifically, but I want to strangle you.

Take ticket and wait your turn.

[Enchant]

okay enchant might have actually rolled scum here lol

I am miller, thus my posts look scummy.

But, i am town.

???
How does your role PM have anything to do with the quality of your posts?

How person with rick astley leg on avatar can be so humorless

[Gammagooey]

Also, I think we need more pressure on Gooey, on re-reading Delta, I think I've just been tunneling a bit, they are agressive, but not exactly SCUM ALERT!
UNVOTE: DeltaBreedy
VOTE: GammaGooey

Don't really get why you think I need more pressure - I'm pretty clearly here and active and trying to make shit happen this game. Do you think I'm particularly likely to be scum? And if so why?

[Suguri]

Haven't fully caught up but will post more later today

[Suguri]

VOTE: Gammagooey
I'm thinking this is a good elim

[Deltabreedy]

Can you cover off on why? Is it pure mech or is there something in the posting

[Gammagooey]

Finished re-reading Human and have a few notes - would like them to respond to my post asking them why they think I need pressure before posting those tho

[Firebringer]

not in favor of a gammagoey elim
VOTE: human

[Human]

Also, I think we need more pressure on Gooey, on re-reading Delta, I think I've just been tunneling a bit, they are agressive, but not exactly SCUM ALERT!
UNVOTE: DeltaBreedy
VOTE: GammaGooey

Don't really get why you think I need more pressure - I'm pretty clearly here and active and trying to make shit happen this game. Do you think I'm particularly likely to be scum? And if so why?

Tbh, mostly mech, also I think Gooey lim>Delta lim, and I don't want to throw someone else in EoD. I feel your big posts are trying to be like "I'M HERE GUYS, I'M DOING THINGS" when you have about the same amount of contributions as the other active players.

[GamerGryff]

I never lied that i am miller.


I investigate unfavorable. Because you made me.

I am not Miller.

I just didn't want to claim to be Yellow Goo.

Almost forgot.


I am Miller. It specificies that i am guilty for ANY crimes (Unfavorable result). Check at your own peril.

[GamerGryff]

VOTE: Gammagooey

L-2, I want to elim Enchant tomorrow.

[Gammagooey]

Also, I think we need more pressure on Gooey, on re-reading Delta, I think I've just been tunneling a bit, they are agressive, but not exactly SCUM ALERT!
UNVOTE: DeltaBreedy
VOTE: GammaGooey

Don't really get why you think I need more pressure - I'm pretty clearly here and active and trying to make shit happen this game. Do you think I'm particularly likely to be scum? And if so why?

Tbh, mostly mech, also I think Gooey lim>Delta lim, and I don't want to throw someone else in EoD. I feel your big posts are trying to be like "I'M HERE GUYS, I'M DOING THINGS" when you have about the same amount of contributions as the other active players.

I don't think pressure is at all the right word for what you're trying to do then, and feels like a cop-out when you would just prefer me dead for mostly mechanical reasons. On the other hand, I do think that your vibe of me being "HERE AND DOIN' STUFF" is fairly justified? I know I've had a few posts where I mention that I'll be on/around/will make X post later and some of that is secretly more for me to make sure I actually follow through and *exist* in game to a level where I'm happy with how I'm playing and how much effort I'm putting into the game. (Though at this exact time, it will because you bastards aren't allowed to yeet me out of the game before I tell you what I think about everything.)
Also, this game-day particularly I think I was a little showier than normal in an attempt to get people to give reads and push people and generally lead by example in terms of scumhunting in ways that aren't mech-dominated, mostly because a)the current mech situation is a clusterfuck and going solely on that is going to make plenty of people unreadable by their stances around it, because they aren't giving real reasons to scumread people based on their actual posts and b)Given that there are so many mech-possibilities, I don't think that running down the list of everyone who touched Plant or otherwise could be the n1 killer is super likely to nail down scum before a potentially game losing amount of town are eliminated first.

Back in a sec with a drink and my Human notes and a couple other things I want to share

[Suguri]

Can you cover off on why? Is it pure mech or is there something in the posting

To be honest, I think both the human and gammag wagons are kinda fine, my vote doesn't really count either way.

My biggest suspect right now I think has pretty decent partner equity with Gammag. I dont think it's wise to say who as that's where my shot will be headed.

[Suguri]

In a vacuum between the actual limcandidates, I'd probably lim Human though.

[Ultra Annaflare]

Vote Count

With 13 alive it's 7 to Liquidate.

Gammagooey (4)

- Radja, ProfessorDrapion, Human, Suguri, GamerGryff

Human (3)

- Immortal Technique, Dunnstral, hasdgfas, Firebringer

Deltabreedy (2)

- Deltabreedy, Gammagooey, Black

Enchant (0)

- Enchant

Not Voting:

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2025-07-06 22:00:00)

[Gammagooey]

Human thoughts

I'll just go ahead and put the summary up here: I still don't think Human is likely to be scum. That is despite that I think some of the few D2 posts they have are pretty bad and very lazy, but I think a few of their D1 posts just feel gut-town to me in a way that I think is difficult to present as scum.
The vibe that I got from most of their D1 was 'casual off-the-cuff thoughts & ocassional scumhunting' and again I think that is much more likely to come from town.


very early stuff like #92 to Drap & #101 to Delta feels slightly town (feels genuinely scumhunty, #92 is slightly odd in a good way (pushing on Drap & trying to get the game forward with early scum-leanings, doesn't feel like he's trying to get on Drap or Delta's good sides)

#128 is similarly blunt to Suguri in a way that feels slightly town to me

A little surprised that #174 (responding to Delta's vote on ProfDrap) didn't come with a vote on Delta - seems a little stronger suspicion than the "pinged by avoidance" he posted about on Cakez

#381 feels initially bad for feeling more like he's defending the RVS vote/previous stance Human had than the actual vote reasoning for voting Gamer for a similar reason that he suspected Delta previously.
I do think the context of "Dunn is poking him for specifically why they didn't vote Delta over Cakez" makes that reasonable though

#460 feels like a town post/argument though I don't think I can really give a solid reason for it aside from "the structure of that post feels like it comes from town" I guess that it's kind of off the cuff with another non-serious post right before it and acknowledging that it's not a lockscum read helps a lot?

Most of the posts after until around D2 feel pretty null - there are a few decent questions/comments (#759 with their read on Drap/Gamer, #929 & #931 responding to Gamer & Black respectively) but I don't think they're at all hard to make as scum.

The "knows why you're scum" posts from them D2 are legit bad and generally scum-indicative (I think pushing on someone for *everyone knows* why they're scum instead of actually voting & convincing people of it comes from scum trying to set the vibe of the game/wagon in their favor MUCH more likely than town does), but I can see it potentially coming from town in the way he did it this game. Going after someone else while mentioning that because a) (I asked people to try to focus away from mech for the time being) and b) (because it's useful in reading people and pushing the game forward) is not how scum typically push in that way, because their ultimate goal is to elim the person being referenced as the *everyone knows they're scum* and saying that while branching off into something unrelated risks them getting pushed for hypocrisy or just people not ultimately voting who they want. Saying they're parking the vote afterwards does also feel bad though - again it's not outlandish for it to come from town there and I think the clarification makes sense at least, but I am worried that the vote was more a response to other people pushing on his last post being bad than him genuinely believing IT-scum is less convincing now than when he made the earlier post.

#1526 is also bad and I would like to see more thoughts from them about Delta but I am clearly very biased about that given that I'm the one they changed their vote to there.

[Gammagooey]

@Human - one thing I'd like from you if possible is just your opinion of both my & Delta's worst posts from your perspective this game with like a 1-2 sentence description of why.

I'd also like that from the other people voting me if possible but I am a little less hopeful that I'll be getting it.
I can go ahead and promise you now that I will be flipping town if I die here, and that I don't think the possibility of me-town is particularly hard to see given my posting so far this game. Dunn and Firebringer in particular have seen me-scum several times in the past and I think my town/scum play is pretty distinct for people who have seen me play as both alignments before (at least after super early game), but it may be a bit too close to deadline to expect them to give a 5 star town review of my play thus far before then.

I'll be around to claim for most of tonight before deadline, so if anyone who isn't already voting me thinks that info is likely to sway them you can ask, though if I can live without claiming I'd obviously prefer to do so.

[Human]

Spoiler: post above me

Human thoughts

I'll just go ahead and put the summary up here: I still don't think Human is likely to be scum. That is despite that I think some of the few D2 posts they have are pretty bad and very lazy, but I think a few of their D1 posts just feel gut-town to me in a way that I think is difficult to present as scum.
The vibe that I got from most of their D1 was 'casual off-the-cuff thoughts & ocassional scumhunting' and again I think that is much more likely to come from town.


very early stuff like #92 to Drap & #101 to Delta feels slightly town (feels genuinely scumhunty, #92 is slightly odd in a good way (pushing on Drap & trying to get the game forward with early scum-leanings, doesn't feel like he's trying to get on Drap or Delta's good sides)

#128 is similarly blunt to Suguri in a way that feels slightly town to me

A little surprised that #174 (responding to Delta's vote on ProfDrap) didn't come with a vote on Delta - seems a little stronger suspicion than the "pinged by avoidance" he posted about on Cakez

#381 feels initially bad for feeling more like he's defending the RVS vote/previous stance Human had than the actual vote reasoning for voting Gamer for a similar reason that he suspected Delta previously.
I do think the context of "Dunn is poking him for specifically why they didn't vote Delta over Cakez" makes that reasonable though

#460 feels like a town post/argument though I don't think I can really give a solid reason for it aside from "the structure of that post feels like it comes from town" I guess that it's kind of off the cuff with another non-serious post right before it and acknowledging that it's not a lockscum read helps a lot?

Most of the posts after until around D2 feel pretty null - there are a few decent questions/comments (#759 with their read on Drap/Gamer, #929 & #931 responding to Gamer & Black respectively) but I don't think they're at all hard to make as scum.

The "knows why you're scum" posts from them D2 are legit bad and generally scum-indicative (I think pushing on someone for *everyone knows* why they're scum instead of actually voting & convincing people of it comes from scum trying to set the vibe of the game/wagon in their favor MUCH more likely than town does), but I can see it potentially coming from town in the way he did it this game. Going after someone else while mentioning that because a) (I asked people to try to focus away from mech for the time being) and b) (because it's useful in reading people and pushing the game forward) is not how scum typically push in that way, because their ultimate goal is to elim the person being referenced as the *everyone knows they're scum* and saying that while branching off into something unrelated risks them getting pushed for hypocrisy or just people not ultimately voting who they want. Saying they're parking the vote afterwards does also feel bad though - again it's not outlandish for it to come from town there and I think the clarification makes sense at least, but I am worried that the vote was more a response to other people pushing on his last post being bad than him genuinely believing IT-scum is less convincing now than when he made the earlier post.

#1526 is also bad and I would like to see more thoughts from them about Delta but I am clearly very biased about that given that I'm the one they changed their vote to there.

I think a big part of my SR on Delta was just that "Delta is being controversial and not really making sense" but I'm now realizing that he's been doing it in a not-caring town way, rather than a scummy way, I think my all my reasons for Scumreading Delta were already known and I didn't want to be redundant in just repeating them over and over again, I honestly haven't put too much time or energy into this game as I maybe should, and I apologize for that. My IT vote was more of a "hmm, I don't have a read on IT atm, let's see how they respond to pressure" than an actual suspicion, and they responded well, which is why I unvoted. Sorry if my thoughts weren't clear or if I worded them poorly, as a wise man once said, "I fumble with words like soap in the shower."

PEdit: gimme a sec

[Gammagooey]

@Human - one thing I'd like from you if possible is just your opinion of both my & Delta's worst post* from your perspective this game with like a 1-2 sentence description of why.

Meant to be worst individual post and not post

s

, but if you (or anyone else) has multiple they'd like to share I'd happily take that as well.

[Human]

Gamma

gooey

dropping the readslist with the caveat of being 'from memory' felt odd, when it has up to date reads on D2 in it. It has some weird wordings on how definite they feel about people (and I disagree with bits of it which feeds into my read here) but it feels disingenuous to not -really- take a position on scum and dunk a lot of people into town without justification as well as the vibe of not being committed to any of it.

? Kinda hard to see what you're taking issue with in everything except the last sentence. I said a lot of the readslist was 'memory and vibes' and I guess I could have rephrased it to something like "I'm not going back for thorough references or to recheck my thoughts while I'm making this post" but I do still stand on that initial statement by itself. Would like to know what you disagree with in more detail. If you have questions on a particular townread then I can go into more detail but I think I went into at least some detail on pretty much everyone except maybe ProfDrap & Black in previous posts? & tbf Black is literally just vibes but I could prob go over their previous posts and at least tell you which posts are giving those vibes to me.

As for not -really- taking a position on scum, I think it'd be 100x more disingenuous to say that I think you and/or Dunn is 100% wtfbbqscum because I'm not particularly confident in those reads and to say otherwise would be straight up lying about it. I think your play d1 feels a little over the top and performative in retrospect, but I I don't think I've played with you before and wouldn't be shocked if someone told me that type of pushing fit your regular playstyle, and that combined with you visiting Murder Plant I think makes you most likely to be scum atm. If it wasn't for the murder plant visit too I'd likely be voting Dunn atm.

To be fair to you, maybe I should be scumreading Dunn more than I am currently? I think he had a few good posts d1 imo, but I want to choke him out for how difficult it is to actually get him to act in a way that will make him readable later in the game. And if I hadn't played with him before and had no knowledge of his playstyle often just feeling like this I think I might just be trying to (metaphorically) burn his house down this game.

Why do you townread him? He has a few townreads he's given but it's literally impossible this game to get him to give an opinion on who he thinks should be the elim on a given day. He's obviously pretty good at scum given he won the awards for best individual and team scum performance for his games last year, and his playstyle of staying somewhat in the background and not committing to any pushes, to me at least, feels like the playstyle equivalent of a slimy weasel sneaking through the game. (I do not mean to be insulting to him because he is a great player, but I also feel that it can't possibly be the best move for a town player to take no agency at all in directing elims towards likely scum, and I think his current play fits that description)

I'll be back on later tonight, but I'll be gone for I think all of the 4th of July tomorrow as an FYI.

I think this is pretty bad, an example of you using a lot of words to say not a lot of stuff. I could likely find better examples, but this one stood out to me.

[Radja]

Off to sleep. Gammagooey is the leading wagon so staying there

[Gammagooey]

appreciate it

I def could have condensed that down some but I like doing those types of stream of consciousness style posts - I feel like they give other people a better idea of what I'm thinking at a given time and why. I disagree with it being filler content/words for words sake but I can understand how you could see it that way.