Mini Theme 2374: ~another bullshit cakez game~ - Game Over!

[Sirius]

Or two groupscum but they have a jailer with an extra kill

whats the point of PT removal from my role ability then

[Sirius]

to remove Hutao from their "Mason chat"?

[Sirius]

well and if I was scum I'd have killed you last night but yk

[villainous]

well and if I was scum I'd have killed you last night but yk

Yeah I was thinking that. The reasons I'm not 100% are that my role isn't thaaat strong, and also that it introduces WIFOM. Plus saving it for tonight means you can end the game.

[Sirius]

well and if I was scum I'd have killed you last night but yk

Yeah I was thinking that. The reasons I'm not 100% are that my role isn't thaaat strong, and also that it introduces WIFOM. Plus saving it for tonight means you can end the game.

yk youre literally the strongest existing role the others are either unpaired masons or fishermen

[villainous]

Then I think its time to vote cow.

[villainous]

Really the scariest thing is just how quiet the thread is

[villainous]

Oh the scum function for de-PTing people is to fuck with IT's role.

[Hu Tao]

And I'll also claim the rest of my role now, which is that I have a 1-shot watcher ability. So Sirius has a minimum of two shots remaining unless scum wants to be seen doing the kill or has a Ninja.

You didnt use watcher last night??

he couldn't because he was being jailed. im not a jailkeeper. im a jailer.

Whats the difference?

[Hu Tao]

So I do think there is a chance that villain is scum too

[Hu Tao]

But cow is the most likely.

[hasdgfas]

Game Information

-Roles are NOT multitasking unless noted otherwise

@Mod: does this also mean scum don't have "inherent multitasking"? Aka scum making a kill and also using any active ability they may have?

[Hu Tao]

Good question tbh

[Sirius]

Game Information

-Roles are NOT multitasking unless noted otherwise

@Mod: does this also mean scum don't have "inherent multitasking"? Aka scum making a kill and also using any active ability they may have?

are you really going to trust the mod in a game with "bullshit" in the title :3

[Sirius]

cakez could always just write the word "multitasking" in the PM

[SirCakez]

Game Information

-Roles are NOT multitasking unless noted otherwise

@Mod: does this also mean scum don't have "inherent multitasking"? Aka scum making a kill and also using any active ability they may have?

A factional kill does not count against using another role ability.

[Hu Tao]

Probably cow or vill

[Hu Tao]

We probably eliminate cow and Sirius nk vill with jailer if it continues

[villainous]

If we assume one scum remaining, it's optimal for the JK not to kill, because if someone dies then the jailed person is confirmed town. I'm fine with being jailed again, although it does mean I can't use my watcher shot, so I think mechanically it's suboptimal

[villainous]

I think ideal play is kill Cow and then jail IT (but don't kill him), I don't announce my watch shot, and then tomorrow the game should be mechanically solved. Or we jail Hu and leash IT.

[Hu Tao]

If scum cant multi task then they couldn't use their janitor ability and another ability at the same time. I think that means that me Sirius and IT are accounted for

[villainous]

But scum can potentially multitask, just not by default. So a role could be "multitasking janitor + neighborizer" in theory.

[villainous]

It's not the biggest deal since I do think the game is over, but I think optimal play is optimal play, and that's letting the PRs PR.

[hasdgfas]

all right, after an actual good night's sleep in my own bed, hopefully I can actually fully engage now.

Cow can you please show up and provide a couple bonus thoughts prior to your departure?

On anything in particular?

I don't really understand your Ircher suspicion because it seems entirely based on him suspecting you, but maybe I overlooked something further.

Why is Ircher not scum? What are your thoughts on Tchill?

Ircher has still felt the most town I've seen him. I have felt like he's generally commenting about the periphery of the game as scum. You can disagree with his reads, sure. I regularly do. But that doesn't make him scum.

Tchill I had a townread on during D2, but I am a little concerned about the disappearance after momentum swung away from him.

Cow can you please show up and provide a couple bonus thoughts prior to your departure?

On anything in particular?

I don't really understand your Ircher suspicion because it seems entirely based on him suspecting you, but maybe I overlooked something further.

When can we kill this with fire?

I'm a heavy busser, this is actually evidence that I'm town considering I've been consistently townreading Ircher. If I were scum I would have started laying the foundation to actually be all right voting ircher to get towncred from that. Speaking of towncred.

For me to be scum, I'd have to be multitasking janitor and tracker or have some other way of knowing Hu didn't go anywhere. I'd then have to choose to be the leading voice for killing my scum buddy Ircher even though people scum read me for pushing there.

The good news here is that I'm pretty sure this game is mechanically won by town due to a PR town still has. I don't know why that person isn't claiming their info at this point.

the "leading voice" for a wagon that really didn't go anywhere and you can now claim for towncred afterwards? This is exactly why you jumped on each other so hard out of basically nowhere. It was so clearly theatre to try to make you look good after knowing that Ircher was going to get killed by the arsonist. (And, notably, you were VERY quick to be ok jumping away from here. Shocking when Ircher is your way to kill the claimed bulletproof arsonist).

Additionally, Hu had

already

claimed Mason by the time you claimed Tracker. You're in no way clear by claiming a no-visit track on a safe target.

Also my green check on Hu is only really green in the world of two group scum. If there are three, then all bets are off, because Hu could be the non-janitor. Town has a lot of power, so scum might have either a lot of power or three members.

already planting seeds for suspicion of Hu, huh?

If we assume one scum remaining, it's optimal for the JK not to kill, because if someone dies then the jailed person is confirmed town. I'm fine with being jailed again, although it does mean I can't use my watcher shot, so I think mechanically it's suboptimal

I think ideal play is kill Cow and then jail IT (but don't kill him), I don't announce my watch shot, and then tomorrow the game should be mechanically solved. Or we jail Hu and leash IT.

And then he's pushing back against being the jail target tonight so he can "use his watcher shot".

C'mon folks, he's just trying to fast talk you all here in order to claim a watcher shot to let him solo survive the game. Of course it's "let the PRs PR" after pressing the jailer to reveal info while simultaneously not mentioning his own remaining watcher shot.

After the confidence in voting today that it isn't Elo, he is clearly speaking from a spot of actually having the knowledge.

Night 1, didn't track because of lack of information? Pretty convenient non-use of an ability in order to let him use a Janitor shot.

Night 2, claim a track on a safe target who already claimed Mason and say she didn't go anywhere when she wouldn't as a Mason. Then he can get off a Janitor shot with an alibi and keep pushing "no multitasking, it

couldn't

be me"

VOTE: Villainous

[Immortal Technique]

I will leave the mech to you guys lol, just point me in what direction I need to go