[SETUP] Thaumaturge's Delight

TemporalLich · Post Post #0 (ISO) » Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:03 am

Thaumaturge's Delight

13 players

1 Mafia Role Cop

2 Mafia Goons

1 Town Thaumaturge

1 Town 1-shot Role Cop

2 Chocolate Townies

6 Vanilla Townies

Thaumaturge is a role that checks if a player is exactly one of {Vanilla, Town} or not.

Thaumaturge results table:

Thaumaturge Results Table	Town	Not Town
Vanilla	Negative Result	Positive Result
Not Vanilla	Positive Result	Negative Result

Chocolate Townie has no ability but is not considered Vanilla.

All other roles are Normal roles.

Sample Role PMs:

Spoiler: Role PMs

Mafia Role CopWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Role Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla".

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been wiped out, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia GoonWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been wiped out, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town ThaumaturgeWelcome!

You are a

Town Thaumaturge

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed whether that player is exactly one of {Vanilla, Town} or not. Vanilla Townies and Non-Town Power Roles give a negative result, while Town Power Roles and Vanilla Non-Town players give a positive result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town 1-shot Role CopWelcome!

You are a

Town 1-shot Role Cop

.

You may target one player once in the game during a night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla".

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Chocolate TownieWelcome!

You are a

Chocolate Townie

.

You have no special abilities, but you are not considered to be Vanilla.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Vanilla TownieWelcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Jingle · Post Post #1 (ISO) » Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:30 am

Strategy of Role cop holsters N1, massclaim D2 leaves a high chance for an oops all clears scenario. Mafia basically all have to claim vanilla in which case thaumaturge is basically cop with a godfather in the setup.

Maybe fixed by upping the number of chocolates (a chocomaf and 2-3 more choco town.)

TemporalLich · Post Post #2 (ISO) » Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:36 am

This would preserve the property of the ratios of non-Thaumaturge PRs to Vanillas being equal for each faction, but would make that ratio 2 non-Thaumaturge PRs to 1 Vanilla instead of 1 non-Thaumaturge PR to 2 Vanillas:

1 Mafia Role Cop

1 Chocolate Mafioso

1 Mafia Goon

1 Town Thaumaturge

1 Town 1-shot Role Cop

5 Chocolate Townies

3 Vanilla Townies

Jingle · Post Post #3 (ISO) » Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:46 am

That looks much less prone to massclaim breakage. Scum get to gamble on whether they swap claims for the goons or not to make them vulnerable to thaum or rolecop and rolecop always claims vanilla. that seems interesting and playable.

TemporalLich · Post Post #4 (ISO) » Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:51 am

Thaumaturge's Delight v1.1

13 players

1 Mafia Role Cop

1 Chocolate Mafioso

1 Mafia Goon

1 Town Thaumaturge

1 Town 1-shot Role Cop

5 Chocolate Townies

3 Vanilla Townies

Thaumaturge is a role that checks if a player is exactly one of {Vanilla, Town} or not.

Thaumaturge results table:

Thaumaturge Results Table	Town	Not Town
Vanilla	Negative Result	Positive Result
Not Vanilla	Positive Result	Negative Result

Chocolate Townie and Chocolate Mafioso have no role abilities but aren't considered Vanilla.

All other roles are Normal roles.

Sample Role PMs:

Spoiler: Role PMs

Mafia Role CopWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Role Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla".

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been wiped out, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Chocolate MafiosoWelcome!

You are a

Chocolate Mafioso

.

You are not considered to be Vanilla.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been wiped out, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia GoonWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been wiped out, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town ThaumaturgeWelcome!

You are a

Town Thaumaturge

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed whether that player is exactly one of {Vanilla, Town} or not. Vanilla Townies and Non-Town Power Roles give a negative result, while Town Power Roles and Vanilla Non-Town players give a positive result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town 1-shot Role CopWelcome!

You are a

Town 1-shot Role Cop

.

You may target one player once in the game during a night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla".

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Chocolate TownieWelcome!

You are a

Chocolate Townie

.

You are not considered to be Vanilla.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Vanilla TownieWelcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

TemporalLich · Post Post #5 (ISO) » Sun Oct 19, 2025 7:53 am

ideas I'm considering for a potential v1.2

replace the 1-shot role cop with a backup thaumaturge
replace the 1-shot role cop and a chocolate townie with two masons (this might be OP)

Sirius · Post Post #6 (ISO) » Sun Oct 19, 2025 12:32 pm

roll them all Vanilla town and have an individual 25% for each of them to turn chocolate

TemporalLich · Post Post #7 (ISO) » Sun Oct 19, 2025 12:36 pm

In post 6, Sirius wrote: roll them all Vanilla town and have an individual 25% for each of them to turn chocolate

holy RNG that is a lot of swing

Thaumaturge's Delight has a fixed ratio of vanilla/non-vanilla roles for each faction - each faction is 1/3rd Vanilla

making this setup a semi-open with a random amount of Chocolate Townies, either normalized (e.g. each townie has a 50% chance to be Chocolate) or not (e.g. roll 1d8 to determine the amount of Chocolate Townies), would be a different setup conceptually

TemporalLich · Post Post #8 (ISO) » Thu Nov 13, 2025 10:04 am

Thaumaturge's Delight v1.2

13 players

1 Mafia Role Cop

1 Chocolate Mafioso

1 Mafia Goon

1 Town Thaumaturge

2 Town Masons

4 Chocolate Townies

3 Vanilla Townies

Thaumaturge is a role that checks if a player is exactly one of {Vanilla, Town} or not.

Thaumaturge results table:

Thaumaturge Results Table	Town	Not Town
Vanilla	Negative Result	Positive Result
Not Vanilla	Positive Result	Negative Result

Chocolate Townie and Chocolate Mafioso have no role abilities but aren't considered Vanilla.

All other roles are Normal roles.

Sample Role PMs:

Spoiler: Role PMs

Mafia Role CopWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Role Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla".

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been wiped out, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Chocolate MafiosoWelcome!

You are a

Chocolate Mafioso

.

You are not considered to be Vanilla.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been wiped out, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia GoonWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been wiped out, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town ThaumaturgeWelcome!

You are a

Town Thaumaturge

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed whether that player is exactly one of {Vanilla, Town} or not. Vanilla Townies and Non-Town Power Roles give a negative result, while Town Power Roles and Vanilla Non-Town players give a positive result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town MasonWelcome!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that MASON2 is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Chocolate TownieWelcome!

You are a

Chocolate Townie

.

You are not considered to be Vanilla.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Vanilla TownieWelcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

TemporalLich · Post Post #9 (ISO) » Thu Nov 13, 2025 10:09 am

alternate version of v1.2 has a backup thaum and a chocolate townie instead of two masons - it is important for there to be 2 non-vanilla non-thaumaturge townies for every VT in this setup

I'll pick the one that's thought to be more balanced as the canonical version of the setup

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