Medieval Mafia - Game Over

[Caboose]

Vote: farside

You're not dead yet, you must be scum!

[Caboose]

Wow, guys. You all come out pretty strong.

Obviously, I

VOTE KMD4390

WHy? flawed gambits + flawed scum-dar = town liability.

Plus, in an off-topic way, I would like to mention that I am revisiting Pink Floyd's early work. I think I like it better when Gilmour started playing Lead.. though I am sure there are some Syd Barrett purists here that will defy me.

You're already advocating a policy lynch?
DGB is right that this post is really akward in the first sentence.

[Caboose]

My joke vote and camn's post are a reference to a past game.

And camn, if you think my scumdar is flawed, you should read mini 677 that just ended. I nailed scum Day 1 and then went on to win it for the town in 3 player LYLO.

The whole "coming out strong" thing was a reference to a past game?
Link please.

[Caboose]

I could have sworn that all we had was a confirmation phase. Why is everyone act like we had a night 0?

Don't role fish.

(Another comment Camn can appreciate)

what? (on both counts)

"Fishing"

That's not a rolefish.

[Caboose]

I call 'overdefensive much' on Camn & Kmd.

Defensiveness isn't a scumtell.

[Caboose]

FYI, my current vote is not random.

Care to explain?

[Caboose]

Yay I'm being voted for.

This is a really akward sentence, something that scum would be more likely to say to lighten up the mood while they're being wagoned. Very mildly scummy, though; almost near a null-tell.

zwet, you're 100% going to be using that day vig today.

Mod Edit: Fixed quote tag

[Caboose]

Ah, crap.

Mod: Please fix my quote tags. Sorry about that and thanks.

[Caboose]

Tadaa! I am not a miller or a dayvig. Behold my awesomeness. Discuss reactions. You're welcome.

Vote: zwetschenwasser

[Caboose]

Why should we not?

He claimed miller out of the blue, and then he retracted the claim when it became obvious he was drawing fire for it. He has lied in one way or another, and I am not able to see a pro town motivation for either of the lies.

I can tell from his tone thus far that it was nothing but provocation.

Doing stuff "for reactions" is just a load of bullcrap. It's just a way for scum to excuse their own early scummy behavior. Zwet taking back his claim once the "lynch all millers" discussion was going is sketchy, too.

No. zwet claimed to be Sir Gawain's son. Sir Gawain had three sons. Sir Gawain was a good guy. His three sons died together as heroes.

Flavor meta sucks.

[Caboose]

If you were hinting at something else, though, then I totally missed it. If you are, like, 100% sure he's town for some kind of role-based reason, then I'll unvote him and I won't ask for any more details today.

I'm not saying I have rolebased info. But his character has two brothers. He's not Gawain; he's one of Gawain's three sons.

And that supposed to make him less likely to be scum because...

[Caboose]

^That still doesn't mean that he's not scum.

And flavor meta

still

sucks.

[Caboose]

I don't like how DGB is is setting herself up for the classic "I told you so" D2 if zwet flips town.

[Caboose]

Mind Read: Yosarian2

[Caboose]

Hey, it worked!

"I don't like" =/= Voteworthy
You say that DGB looks like town trying to stop a wagon; I say that DGB kind of looks like scum trying to throw suspicion at people on the zwet wagon D2. It's not voteworthy, but it's noteworthy.
You say that I'm trying to set up mislynches later, but the exact same argument can be made for DGB.
Also, I don't get how any of my posts imply scum knowledge.

[Caboose]

By the way, zwet is in fact at -2 because I have the power to give someone an extra vote, and that person is currently voting for zwet.

Someone unvote zwet nao.

Would that person know if they have a double vote or not?

Note: I'm not rolefishing, I'm making sure it's not me.

[Caboose]

I don't know whether to buy zwet's roleclaim or not...

[Caboose]

I'm buying the zwet claim.

Unvote

[Caboose]

Why?

I have role-based info that leads me to believe that your claim is true.

[Caboose]

Unvote zwet. I'm pretty sure he's telling the truth.

I'm not sold on the Jebus case since there are other lurkers here (CW, stark).

[Caboose]

I already unvoted. I was telling other people to unvote in that sentence.

[Caboose]

And DGB is right about Jebus.

Vote: Jebus

[Caboose]

Unvote zwet. I'm pretty sure he's telling the truth.

I'm not sold on the Jebus case since there are other lurkers here (CW, stark).

If you want people to stop voting zwet, actually explain why. You saying he is pretty sure he is telling the truth means absolutely nothing.

Stop rolefishing.

And what the fuck?

And DGB is right about Jebus.
Vote: Jebus

What made you "sold" on the Jebus case in the span of about a half-hour?

Look up Jebus' latest posts. He's posting in all his games except for this one. Also, look at CW's latest posts. His site-wide activity level is about consistent with his game activity level.
Before the vote, I didn't look up anyone's latest posts, so I took the low activity as a null-tell.

[Caboose]

You already came out and said that you have information to believe that he is town. If you have said information, you not releasing it is hurting the town. Call it rolefishing, but no one is going to believe you until you explain it fully.

That would require a full roleclaim, which I'm not giving.
No, not releasing the info is not bad for the town, it's bad for the scum's ability to decide if I'm worth nightkilling or not.

[Caboose]

You already came out and said that you have information to believe that he is town. If you have said information, you not releasing it is hurting the town. Call it rolefishing, but no one is going to believe you until you explain it fully.

That would require a full roleclaim, which I'm not giving.
No, not releasing the info is not bad for the town, it's bad for the scum's ability to decide if I'm worth nightkilling or not.

I don't need or want a roleclaim from you, but it would be useful to know if you mean, say, you believe his role flavor for reasons related to your role flavor, or something.

Zwet: You know, you still haven't really explained the vote on TSQ, and now you're making another OMGUS vote without any reasoning? If you do have some kind of pro-town reason to suspect Sam, I'd like to hear it.

From zwet's precise choice of words when responding to questions about his role, I am about 99% certain that he's telling the truth and that he's town.

[Caboose]

TSQ seems logical to me, just a little too trigger-happy. Sam's last post is why I voted him.

I don't see the case on Jebus or TSQ, but Sam's post is definitely at the very least a Freudian slip.

...Zwet can you not remember what you posted?

Can you do anything other than parrot other people?

Vote: crywolf

[Caboose]

Unvote

Zwet is still obvtown. Though his description of the "slip" confuses me.

[Caboose]

Caboose >>> if zwet flips town. If zwet flips scum... well she said she had roleboased info about his alignment, so...

Who the hell is "she"?

[Caboose]

anyone want to claim that?

Anyone want to stop rolefishing?

Vote: hasdgfas

[Caboose]

Caboose >>> if zwet flips town. If zwet flips scum... well she said she had roleboased info about his alignment, so...

Who the hell is "she"?

Sorry. I'm French. The caboose is feminine.

Sorry, I kind of overreacted. I was in a bad mood.
Now I feel like a dick...

[Caboose]

Jebus is being wagoned strictly for lurking?

If you look at my post you'll find that I made a case against Jebus earlier on.

You did. But others, mainly Xyl, are only voting him for lurking.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Well if that's true, the same case could apply to a few other people. Why not mention Counselwolf, stark, qwints, sam, farside, or crywolf?

Farside is v/la, I believe.

there seemed to be very few reasons NOT to be voting Zwet, let alone actively defending him.,,

What part of "I have role-based info that says that zwet is telling the truth" does anyone not understand?

And I agree with DGB that it looks like TSQ is bussing farside, particularly because farside hasn't done anything particularly objectionable yet.

please tell me why a claim by whoever used this is a bad idea.

Outing a possible day vig this early is like using sandpaper as toilet paper: it's just not a good idea.

[Caboose]

please tell me why a claim by whoever used this is a bad idea.

Outing a possible day vig this early is like using sandpaper as toilet paper: it's just not a good idea.

oh I see. You just don't want a confirmed townie. Is that it? If not, please enlighten me.

If it is a dayvig, I would like that person to continue to be able to use that power without being NKed.

I don't like the misrep.

[Caboose]

I'd prefer to have a confirmed townie(who has plenty of ways of surviving the night) that we can listen to and "know" that they're town as opposed to a dayvig who could die and not help us in any extra way.

I'd personally prefer the vig. It helps getting rid of scum. Also, when/if the hypothetical dayvig dies, we can always go back and look at his/her posts, as with anyone who flips town.
And through the hypothetical vig might survive the night, the mafia probably have something to cancel him/her out (doctor, roleblocker, kill-immune GF).

[Caboose]

I disagree with scot about camn.

Mod: I believe I am indeed voting. Therefore, my name shouldn't appear on the "not voting" row. Thanks.

Vote count fixed. -OGML

[Caboose]

Policy lynching D1 in a large game is

NOT

a scumtell.

[Caboose]

Policy lynching D1 in a large game is

NOT

a scumtell.

It is when you could be scumhunting. We had our martyr get vigged. Said martyr was wagoned. It is not like there is no information to go and look at. Lynching lurkers should not be the priority when we can actually catch scum.

There's always hascows and his rolefishing...

[Caboose]

I can actually see how camn wants to crack down on lurkers. I don't like scum being able to cruise through D1 and hide under a huge fight (like DGB and TSQ's).

[Caboose]

I like how stark flings a crap attack my way just as I start to tunnel vision on hascows.

[Caboose]

I like how stark flings a crap attack my way just as I start to tunnel vision on hascows.

Yes I noticed, too. My first thought was, huh? Why is he finding Caboose scummy? If stark comes up with an actual case, I'll read it.

Really? My first thought was quasi-chainsaw defense.
I will also read the case, if it ever is posted.

[Caboose]

It wasnt only that post. I disagree with at least 80% of everything you have posted so far.

so disagreeing with someone makes them scummy?

Why don't you ask Stark?

Looking back at stark's post, a lot of things are off to me.

The argument between DGB and TSQ is really silly. I have no opinion on that.

Nice fencesit.
+scumpoints

I would really like for Jebus to come back though. Maybe he used his daykill? He should probably tell us in that case.

Nice rolefish.
+more scumpoints

I would also support a Caboose lynch, if Jebus does not come to fruition. I'm getting bad vibes from him. A confirmed townie > vig.

Nice calling me down on a

non-scumtell

and even going so far to say you would support a

lynch

based off of that.
+oodles of scumpoints

Unvote
Vote: stark

[Caboose]

WTF? Why are a bunch of people making these crappy attacks on me that I can't possibly defend myself from because they lack a case? Kore? camn?

@yos: Why does the fencesitting scumtell not apply?

[Caboose]

Soft claimed PR. This = bad D1 lynch, great lynch later on... If.

I don't get why the soft PR claim makes me a "great lynch later on." And what's with the "if"?

[Caboose]

But how, exactly, is softclaiming NOT scummy?

Softclaiming is

NOT

a scumtell.

[Caboose]

Did my softclaim look scummy to anyone?
If so, explain how it's a scumtell.

[Caboose]

tbh, I don't even know what soft claim she/you are talking about. Please enlighten me.

When I said that I had rolebased info that cleared zwet.

Because I was assuming that what Stark was talking about was the un-game-related, "I hate her playstyle so much I almost want to be replaced out" personality dispute between DGB and TSQ. He said it was "silly" and basically decided to not get invovled in it, which is usually a smart move when an argument based mostly on outside-the-game-emotions happens inside of a mafia game.

I assumed stark was talking about the game related stuff.
Personally, I'm trying to ignore the whole personality clash between TSQ and DGB.

[Caboose]

I wonder if Kmd is reading this game.

[Caboose]

Caboose left the wagon before Qwints claiming role-based info (which is the reason Qwints used for leaving the wagon). I think Cow left it later, but don't quote me on that just yet. I'll check.

OK, never mind.

I just wondered why you asked someone else thoughts about my leaving the zwet wagon.

[Caboose]

I really don't get this whole DGB and TSQ issue, but I would really like it to stop.

[Caboose]

...

*facepalm*

Please elaborate on your crap attack a few pages back.

[Caboose]

And just in case you don't remember what it was...

Oh and I feel like Caboose is scum, but I have no idea why, so I can't be bothered to argue it.

[Caboose]

No?

OK, then...
Note sure what I did to you.

[Caboose]

@sam: softclaiming is just a lame response to getting votes. It is on my list of things I will vote you for. If you are going to claim, claim. If you aren't, DON'T. In fact.. it IS day one.. unless we are going to lynch you.. DON'T CLAIM!

But it wasn't a response to getting votes. Also, I softclaimed in an attempt to stop the zwet wagon.
I assure you that it'll all make sense later.

It was designed to illustrate that soft claiming need not be anti-town.

[Caboose]

While I think the qwints softclaim is odd, I don't think it's scummy, and I don't think it merits a wagon.

stark needs to post.

[Caboose]

Qwints posts are just enough to keep him in the game, and that is unacceptable and definitely not useful.

So, why is it that it's worth putting qwints at L-3 and not stark?

[Caboose]

stark doesn't have enough posts to possibly do what qwints is doing right now.
Also, he doesn't have a vote out, yet. Scummy.

I'm a bit surprised DGB doesn't have a vote out, either. I'll give Kore and Jebus a break since they just entered the game.

[Caboose]

stark doesn't have enough posts to possibly do what qwints is doing right now.
Also, he doesn't have a vote out, yet. Scummy.

I'm a bit surprised DGB doesn't have a vote out, either. I'll give Kore and

Jebus

a break since

they

she just entered the game. I'll give Jebus a small break since he just started posting (I'm not counting the joke vote).

[Caboose]

I'm sorry, I forgot to mention, because all of my games I replace into, and I so seldom replace into D1.

I'm too afraid of looking scummy on day 1 to vote a player, but I don't want to make it seem like I want no lynch.

Fixed.

unvote, vote Korejora

. I think I just found another thing to policy-lynch for.

While her non-cooperation is annoying, I don't think it's worth policy lynching Kore today. Just let the day vig/scum take care of her tomorrow.

[Caboose]

So, you're saying I'm scum in 100% of my games?

^also, I love this misrep of Xyl.

[Caboose]

More scum on the wagons means it's easier to weed them out of the crowd. You don't need me to be on the voting record to see where I'm going; I don't vote commonly on any day, not because that's my policy, but because throwing votes around makes me feel presumptuous so I end up not doing it. I have not seen this cause problems for people.

So, it makes you feel presumptuous to play the game? Also, why don't we need you on the voting records. From my perspective, you could be scum, too.

Strawman and appeal to emotion in the very same post. Defensive much?

While the strawman and appeal to emotion are true, defensiveness is not a scumtell.

Hint: The cow has dissapeared and Farside is still lurking.

Hint: The cow is V/LA I believe.

Why is it so hard to get someone to vote?

My patience is running out with qwints.

[Caboose]

My patience with Jebus and stark is wearing thin.

[Caboose]

Update on my inactivity - If I don't catch up this weekend, when I've got at least 20 hours of nothingness, I probably won't be able to catch up at all.
Sorry for not keeping up

Guys...If Jebus does not catch up over the weekend, hes going to get replaced. Lynching him is an awful move.

We're doing him a favor. We'll ask for a prod when he's at minus 2, he'll claim/fakeclaim and we'll hammer if we're on to him. That's the plan so far. Can you help us get there?

Yeah, but I would like to know the vote count (wouldn't want any accidental hammers).

[Caboose]

stark still needs to post.

Unvote

Vote: Jebus

[Caboose]

Who said anything about lynching? My vote goes off of him when he posts something useful.

[Caboose]

Unvote

I want to give the replacement a chance.

And I'm right back on my

Vote: stark

I would like to see more crywolf.

[Caboose]

Who said anything about lynching? My vote goes off of him when he posts something useful.

So if he never posted anything useful, would you lynch him?

Yes

Why are you taking off pressure? It's not like we're going to get a replacement tomorrow, and even if we do, they will have effectively lurked for 40 pages when they come in.

Caboose is clearly a Jebus scumbuddy.

Wrong.
The

replacement

didn't lurk, Jebus did.

Xyl is clearly pulling stuff out of his rear end at this point.

Why the hell is it a scumtell to let someone who could be town catch up and contribute?

[Caboose]

So anyone notice how the Qwints wagon conveniently derailed when Xyl went after Kore partially for derailing the Qwints wagon?

Does anyone notice how this logic is a load of bull?

[Caboose]

- I need to compare Caboose's play here to his play in Mafia 87 (where he was scum). Leaning Caboose-scum.
- I need to carefully compare hasdgfas's play here to his play in Mini 594. Leaning has-town, since his play here is reminding me of his play there.

So, you're selectively sampling the metas?

This looks like prodding a scumbuddy to contribute.

This looks like a reach.

[Caboose]

@Kmd: Cow is scummier.

[Caboose]

Everybody on this stark wagon is super scummy!

Quasi-chainsaw defense.
+super scumpoints IF stark flips scum

Every vote is a "policy vote" and not instead a measure of his actual scumminess.

Wrong. Read the thread. And don't misrepresent the reasons for my vote.

Policy votes are scummy at this stage in the game

It's not a policy vote.

[Caboose]

Our dayvig could do worse than shooting sam.samhorn tomorrow.

Stop trying to direct the vig.

What separates stark from camn?

stark is scummy. camn is not.

Any more questions?

Still waiting for elaboration for the crap attack from these people: Kore and stark.

[Caboose]

I'm sorry...what separates stark from qwints?

stark crap attacked me and retreated for a long time. qwints didn't.

I "called out" Caboose simply because in the Caboose vs. Hasdgfas battle over how much information should be shared with the town, I agreed with Hasdgfas.

I disagree with someone you agree with. Therefore, I am scum?
That doesn't follow.

It should be noted that, inadvertantly, I noticed how defensive Caboose immediately became.

It should be noted that being defensive, especially after a crap attack, is NOT a scumtell.

[Caboose]

stark isn't confirmed town.

I know.

Can we go back to lynching him?

This.

^^;

I'm sorry if this is really obvious, but what does the

bolded

thing mean?
Also (this is also probably obvious) when is deadline?

Your over-zealous defense of yourself is more scummy than my initial reason for "crap attacking" you.

I disagree.

I'm sorry to have incurred the wrath of someone who thinks of mafia dynamics in terms of simian interaction.

I didn't even vote for you. Calm down.

You don't have to. It just gets under my skin when someone makes an unsubstantiated attack that I can't possibly defend myself from because there's nothing to defend myself against.

So because stark said he was getting scummy vibes from you, while qwints didn't, stark is scum, but qwints is allowed to be useless? OMGUS much?

Strawman much?
Useless < crap attack in terms of scummy.

FoS: Tar if stark flips scum.

minor FoS Xyl and crywolf. For subtle rolefishing.

[Caboose]

Oh, and I forgot to

Unvote

Vote: crywolf

I don't get the refusal to read stark's self-defense post. Seriously, it's not that long. If someone with a nonexistant attention span like me could read it, you can too. Pushing the wagon without even reading his posts is dismissive and scummy.

[Caboose]

Nobody

plans

on getting lynched Day 1 or getting NKed Night 1 unless you're a jester.

It's not in your control.

[Caboose]

minor FoS Xyl and crywolf. For subtle rolefishing.

What rolefishing?

When you say:

stark isn't confirmed town.

After Tar urges everyone to get off the stark wagon for no apparent reason (which implies that he knew something that we didn't know in terms of roles). Your statement might elicit a response of "Well, I'm power role X" from Tar, which makes it subtle rolefishing if Tar is a power role that knows that stark is innocent.

Tar does not have role-based info though, as seen from his recent posts, so the above is all a moot point.

Unfos: Xyl

[Caboose]

yosarian-
I obviously support a qwints lynch... But i feel like
a) we are getting more information from pressuring stark

The only way I see this is Qwints is vanilla while Stark has yet to claim. So this "information" only helps scum. If you mean wagon analyzing, we can get just as much information from either lynch. Also, Qwints is scummier.

Sam, why is Camn your new number two suspect?

Because she's trying to reach as much as possible to try and lynch a nonscummy candidate. It's totally bandwagoning and wannabe-townieing to the highest degree.

Bandwagoning isn't a scumtell.

What's wannabe-townieing and how is camn "wannabe-townieing"?

[Caboose]

Where did qwints go?

[Caboose]

Excuse me if this question makes me seem "dense," but why is DGB scum?

[Caboose]

MOD:

CORRECTION: Xythlm is in violation of

RULE 3, SUBCLAUSE B

stark, why do you feel it necessary to ask for a modkill in thread?
I find that quite scummy.

Wow.
I wonder if you read stark's post.

Unvote

Vote: hascows

[Caboose]

why yes, as a matter of fact, I did read stark's post. He asked for a modkill because of rule 3, which is "have fun, don't make personal attacks." I don't see anything there that's a personal attack or not having fun.
What in that post is worthy of a vote, if I may ask?

I'm pretty sure stark meant that as a joke.
Trying to torque that into a scumtell is scummy.

[Caboose]

The earlier mason softclaim had nothing around it to indicate it was a joke. stark's "request" for an Xyl modkill is so absurd that it looks like a joke.

Unless I'm "dense" and I can't read stark's posts correctly.

[Caboose]

The next person to make a joke will automatically be getting my vote.

[Caboose]

Unvote

Vote: Yosarian2

[Caboose]

I followed through on my promise, how is that scummy?

Also, I didn't say

how long

the next one to make a joke would get my vote, so

Unvote

Right back on my

Vote: hascows

[Caboose]

If you didn't think Yos2 was scummy, you shouldn't have voted for him this close to deadline, no matter for how long.

Seriously?

My intention was to put a vote on him in one post and take it off the next. We're

two days

away from deadline. Unless a) no one posted from now to deadline or b) a meteor fell on my head between when I voted Yos and when I unvoted him (which was a span of 5 minutes), I think we were going to be fine.

[Caboose]

CLAIM(bolded so people can see it):

Tomas de Torquemada, Spanish Inquisitor General, aka Name Cop

@sam: I'm only asking tajo. I know your thoughts, but tajo hasn't said anything besides "cow is scum"

This could just as easily be a scum power role as a town power role. While flavor meta does suck, your role having to do with the Spanish Inquisition doesn't help convince me you're town.

[Caboose]

Strangely i have to agree with Caboose here. The Spanish Inquisitor could be either town or scum. I may change my mind and vote cow.

This post is weird to me too. If you think he's scum, why don't you change your vote now?
You either buy the claim and think he's town or you don't buy the claim and you think he's scum or you buy the claim but still think he's scum. Which is it? Don't fencesit until deadline.

[Caboose]

What I don't want to occur is hascow getting "roleblocked" for the rest of the game.

I can't get over crywolf's last post. And seeing that yos and tajo support the wagon makes me think that it has a crywolf lynch might have a chance today. See my previous post as to a reason for my vote.

Unvote

Vote: crywolf

And I don't like the smell of farside's last post.

[Caboose]

Why would you role block a cop? He should give up something if he has info or he most likely will be killed by scum. I don't like the claim. Something feels wrong but I'm going to see if he comes up with anything as proff first. Why do you want him to not get results?

Someone missed the point...

What I saying is that I hope hascows isn't scum and he'll just claim to be "roleblocked" at the beginning of each day in order to put off having to prove his role.

Also, are you seriously asking why a mafia roleblocker would role block a cop?

[Caboose]

Your asking him to be blocked are you telling the scum to block him for a reason?

No, I didn't ask for cow to be blocked.

Hascow can confirm town with that role.

No he can't. He can only find scum lying about their name.

I think you believe he is going to lie and with that you are giving him an out.

I'm not the first one to think of this. The first newbie game I played, scum claimed cop D2 and then got "roleblocked" for the rest of the game.

Seriously we dont' know (execpt scum) if there is a scum role blocker

It's a really common role. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume the existence of a scum roleblocker.

but I would hope if we have a town role blocker they won't block cow.

Niether do I.

Clarification to my worry about the cow claim:

What I DON'T want to happen is this.

Dawn of D2

Somebody: So, cow, what's your result.
Cow: I got roleblocked.

Dawn of D3

Somebody: Cow, any result?
Cow: Nope, roleblocked again.

Dawn of D4

Somebody: Should I bother asking?
Cow: Nope
...and so on

My point is that while lynching a claimed info role D1 is just bad play, continued scummy behavior from cow shouldn't make him unlynchable in the future just on the basis of his claim.

[Caboose]

I just noticed that we managed to fill up almost 60 pages in one day.

I'm curious to see Kmd's case on Xyl.

[Caboose]

But how do we know that you're not his scumbuddy?

[Caboose]

Can we lynch hasdgfas or camn?

No.
Can we lynch crywolf now?

[Caboose]

Can we lynch hasdgfas or camn?

No.
Can we lynch crywolf now?

No.

Yes

[Caboose]

*facepalms* for DGB, Tar, and camn
For killing the person I died for.

But thanks for vigging scum later.

I should have stuck with my hascows vote D1. I can't believe DGB was actually right about TSQ.

[Caboose]

Also, I bloody hate vigs. Hate hate hate them. *grumble grumble* I can't believe that in the course of day 2 I caught one scum, then FOS'd another one who I figured out was scum based on role flavor, and then in that very night I got bloody vig killed. *grumble grumble*

I was

really, really, really

close to protecting DGB night one instead of you.

[Caboose]

Maybe you should have more aggressively breadcrumbed your choice!

Did you crumb it at all? I looked, but I didn't see anything....

I was indecisive about my choice until I sent in my night action.

It's OK, I was joking about the *facepalm*.