Medieval Mafia - Game Over

[qwints]

I don't like scotmany defending jesus. Let him come defend himself.

[hasdgfas]

please tell me why a claim by whoever used this is a bad idea.

Outing a possible day vig this early is like using sandpaper as toilet paper: it's just not a good idea.

oh I see. You just don't want a confirmed townie. Is that it? If not, please enlighten me.

[qwints]

He doesn't want a town power role nk'd on night 1.

[Thestatusquo]

I'M NOT EVEN VOTING FARSIDE! WHAT THE HELL! HOW AM I BUSING SOMEONE THAT I AM NOT EVEN VOTING!?

DO YOU PEOPLE THINK AT FUCKING ALL BEFORE YOU TALK!?

Holy Jesus.

Secondly, you fucking realize that in order for me to be busing her, you would have to be suspecting her of being scum. That is not the case since you just said "farside hasn't done anything particularly objectionable yet. "

There are three assumptions behind the argument that I am busing farside:
1) Farside is scum
2) I am scum
3) I am actively trying to get farside lynched.

Taking out any one of them takes out the argument. you took out 1 yourself by saying that you don't think farside is scum, I am not voting farside, so that takes out 3, and 2, you have not shown why you think I am scum!

All three assumptions go down in smoke under the most cursory of looks.

Seriously... What the FUCK.

[scotmany12]

I don't like scotmany defending jesus. Let him come defend himself.

I am attacking the validity of people's arguments against Jebus. I'm not going to sit back and let people do things that I disagree with. The arguments for why Jebus is scum are severely flawed, so I'm going to speak up about it.

[camn]

I'm actually really close to asking to be replaced. I just remembered why I hate playing with DGB.

How on earth is there no votes on TSQ?

You want to replace out of a game because you don't like how it is going for you?
If I didn't love lynching lurkers so much, I would totally be voting you for this alone.

FOS: TSQ

You need to calm down.

However, my friends, I do love lynching lurkers. Especially day 1.
If you aren't going to play, get out of my games.

Now if only Jebus would show up with a PBPA so I could start voting TSQ.

And +1 on dayvig NOT claiming.
Though you might want to try vigging scum next time.

[Caboose]

please tell me why a claim by whoever used this is a bad idea.

Outing a possible day vig this early is like using sandpaper as toilet paper: it's just not a good idea.

oh I see. You just don't want a confirmed townie. Is that it? If not, please enlighten me.

If it is a dayvig, I would like that person to continue to be able to use that power without being NKed.

I don't like the misrep.

[Xylthixlm]

camn is awesome.

[Thestatusquo]

Here's my thoughts so far:

Likely to be town:
Yosarian2- Is himself. I usually read him pretty well as scum
DGB- This is just who she is as town. She gets a stupid idea in her head and then never lets go of it.
Caboose- I buy his defense of Zwet. If you read his response to the true claim, where he doesn't know if he buys it, and then obviously goes and checks his role PM and notices that he has something in there that helps him believe the claim.

Likely to be scum:
Xyl: I don't buy his coming into the game at 15 pages after we've had a day kill, and saying essentially "Oh, well there goes my top suspect better essentially random vote" I say random because if he's town, then his method is obviously just as likely to make him vote town as scum, because he was at the same number of posts at time of vote.

Hasdgfas: Cow is playing very cautiously. The only contributions he seems to be making to the game are when he comes in and makes a little leading comment which almost might get someone to claim or drop a hint about their role. Strong scum vibes.

Farside: I'm not going to shy away from saying I find her scummy just because people are accusing me of busing. (see last post where I address that)

I found her comment where she said "Wait, we haven't had a night" to be scummy because to me it sounded like the kind of comment that a scum player would make if there was a night and they didn't realize it. It was a good enough reason to get us out of the RVS by making a non random vote. Now when she gets back I will look at how she attacks the current situation to further my read on her.


no read: Everyone else.

I think this is a good amount of reads for day one. At this point I would be comfortable lynching either of my two suspects, and possibly farside depending on how she reacts to the rest of the day that she missed.


Jebus does not need to be lynched, jebus needs to be replaced, and then we can look at the play of the replacement.

[Thestatusquo]

I want to be replaced solely because I hate playing with DGB. It's ok, though. I'm going to soldier through. She's illogical, and always does this.

Every game she's in she gets this pet little idea that almost never actually catches scum, and then she harps on it for the whole game. I've played like 3-4 games with her now and each one this has happened and I've gotten a strong urge to replace out. This is the first time it's been directed at me as far as I remember, though, but the previous times were all WRONG too.

[Xylthixlm]

If I had a way of voting that was equally likely of voting town or scum, I would take it. No questions. 50% scum is better than random voting.

[hasdgfas]

please tell me why a claim by whoever used this is a bad idea.

Outing a possible day vig this early is like using sandpaper as toilet paper: it's just not a good idea.

oh I see. You just don't want a confirmed townie. Is that it? If not, please enlighten me.

If it is a dayvig, I would like that person to continue to be able to use that power without being NKed.

I don't like the misrep.

I'd prefer to have a confirmed townie(who has plenty of ways of surviving the night) that we can listen to and "know" that they're town as opposed to a dayvig who could die and not help us in any extra way.

[Thestatusquo]

But I don't think it's 50% likely.

Since you're really good with math, you know this too. You're deliberately distorting the evidence.

First of all, you're assuming jebus's alignment in order to get that 50-50 shot. You can't do that, because you don't know his alignment. Therefore, you only have one sample to look at, yourself, and you will claim to be town. That means from your standpoint there's NO basis to believe that your voting methods can catch scum, in fact, with your sample it means that you would be forced to assume that jebus is town.

Now lets assume for a second that you CAN assume that jebus is scum to come up with an accuracy % for your voting system. You know as well as I do that a 2 person sample is not even close to statistically significant. You have NO idea whether a person is 50x more likely to be scum when lurking or 1000x less likely. You saying that the system is 50-50 is disingenuous, and you know it.

[Xylthixlm]

hasdgfas must be really worried about that dayvig to fish so blatantly. Self-aligned?

TSQ: you must think I'm really awesome to be able to reread the whole thread in an hour and 33 minutes (the time between when I replaced and when I voted).

[Thestatusquo]

No, but I question why you would vote before you re-read fully.

[Xylthixlm]

... I didn't say the system is 50/50.

[Thestatusquo]

And furthermore, I assume you've reread the thread by now, and yet you've kept your vote even though it is serving no purpose and is based on a faulty premise.

[Thestatusquo]

... I didn't say the system is 50/50.

If I had a way of voting that was equally likely of voting town or scum, I would take it. No questions. 50% scum is better than random voting.

Then what is the purpose of this post?

[Xylthixlm]

No, but I question why you would vote before you re-read fully.

Mainly because I never reread fully when I replace. It worked well enough in Minivitational 10.

[Thestatusquo]

That's just piss poor. Just because you got lucky in minvitational 10, and were able to piggy back on the better informed opinions of other players does not mean it's a advisable strategy.

[Xylthixlm]

I say random because if he's town, then his method is obviously just as likely to make him vote town as scum, because he was at the same number of posts at time of vote.

I would take that hypothetical "just as likely to make me vote town as scum" method. If I had it. Which I don't.

Damnit TSQ, stop making me explain myself. How can I be gnomic if I keep having to explain myself? I'm going back to my mountaintop.

[Caboose]

I'd prefer to have a confirmed townie(who has plenty of ways of surviving the night) that we can listen to and "know" that they're town as opposed to a dayvig who could die and not help us in any extra way.

I'd personally prefer the vig. It helps getting rid of scum. Also, when/if the hypothetical dayvig dies, we can always go back and look at his/her posts, as with anyone who flips town.
And through the hypothetical vig might survive the night, the mafia probably have something to cancel him/her out (doctor, roleblocker, kill-immune GF).

[DrippingGoofball]

There are three assumptions behind the argument that I am busing farside:
1) Farside is scum

Could very well be, since she appears to be bus'ed by you, ie., suspected aggressively for no apparent reason.

2) I am scum

Seems highly likely given the above and your behavior throughout the whole game.

3) I am actively trying to get farside lynched.

Yep! You did make a non-random for her, that counts as "actively trying to get farside lynched."

Taking out any one of them takes out the argument.

I guess the argument is still on the table.

[DrippingGoofball]

I want to be replaced solely because I hate playing with DGB. It's ok, though. I'm going to soldier through. She's illogical, and always does this.

It's official! It caught us some scum.

TSQ just hates it when I catch him being scum, using arguments that are too sophisticated for him to comprehend, and that he deems to be frivolous and illogical.

That's the real reason why he's giving up. He's scum, and a player that he loathes (that'd be me) caught him. So now he's giving up, because that's just too humiliating.

[Xylthixlm]

Of our other lurkers, qwints looks town, and sam.samhorn is scummy.

I'm changing this to sam leaning town.