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[Isacc]

Sly: Now you are just denying the truths we have presented to you. If you do not want to accept our answers, then stop asking questions. You can't just deny the truth.

Plum: Thx =P

[SlySly]

I'm not denying the truth, I am asking for a specific example which no one has produced thus far. That is a truth that you can't deny.

[Isacc]

That is NOT a truth. Kmd, Plum, AND myself have all named specific examples. You are ignoring them.

[SlySly]

I have yet to see a link to

a game

, not a wiki entry, where a protown player called their actions a gambit,

in game

. That is the truth. You now sound like scum that is squirming over a player being against you for a weak reason.

[Isacc]

Sly: Lmao, I love how every time someone points out that you are acting ridiculous, you call them scum.

Seriously,

you

sound like scum squirming over trying to cling to a weak reason.

[SlySly]

I may 'sound like' I am squirming, but I'm not the one who actually is and is actually under pressure. I am not squirming. You, on the other hand, are at L-2 and are now playing 'discredit the dumbass' when faced with an obvious truth.

I read what everyone said and I now understand that there are town gambits. However, the truth is that protown players do not call their actions a gambit in game. Until someone posts proof otherwise, or you are lynched and flip town, I will continue to believe that.

[elvis_knits]

I pretty much agree with Sly. I think town don't usually make gambits, and when they do, it usually fucks the game royally. I USUALLY see scum as the ones laying traps and pulling stuff. Not saying it's not possible for town to do it too, but it's much less likely.

[Plum]

I have yet to see a link to

a game

, not a wiki entry, where a protown player called their actions a gambit,

in game

. That is the truth. You now sound like scum that is squirming over a player being against you for a weak reason.

Sly - If you'd care to scroll down to the last post on this page, just to quench your curiosity. OP specifically called his move a gambit and flipped town. It did, however, to paraphrase EK, seem to screw the game up pretty badly.

[SlySly]

Well, tyvm Plum, your helping Isacc defend himself is duly noted. I'm still not moving my vote.

[Mirth]

Votecount

Isacc - 2 - [Kmd, Imaginality, Sly]
Elvis - 4 - [Isacc, Plum]
Plum - 6 - [Elvis, Caf]

Not Voting - 8 - [Glork, Hascow]

Cups of Lemonade Bought : 3

Deadline: Tuesday, March 24, 12:00 PM EST

[Isacc]

Sly: How the heck was that defending? You asked someone (not only me) to give you an example. Now you are just being a liar and a hypocrite.

"Until someone posts proof otherwise, or you are lynched and flip town, I will continue to believe that."

Someone posted proof otherwise. However, you still continue to believe in your accusation? Why? Because you have no better case.

I am not squirming at all. Your accusation holds no water, but you're clinging to a disproved statement. Feel free to continue acting scummy if you want, especially when EK is so eager to defend you for it.


You claim I am squirming? Prove it. I am acting exactly the way I always do: calling out failed attempts at twisting bad logic into an argument.

[SlySly]

Sly: How the heck was that defending?

It wasn't.

You asked someone (not only me) to give you an example.

You were the one in need of defense, not Plum. I wanted it from you.

"Until someone posts proof otherwise, or you are lynched and flip town, I will continue to believe that."

Someone posted proof otherwise. However, you still continue to believe in your accusation? Why?

Because only an idiot townie would call their actions a gambit. One instance of an idiot does not make me forget all the other instances I have seen where references to that word in game were made in association with scum. FTR, I now know town gambits exists and that at least one idiot before you even referenced his actions that way, in game.

Your idea of modkill suicide was at the nicest, idiotic.

Seems

like scum play to me. That is why my vote is staying where it is for the moment, I see nothing better to press on since I can't vote 3 times for the seemingly scummy free pass given to caf.

Your accusation holds no water, but you're clinging to a disproved statement.

I'm not clinging to

smurf

. This game has been moving about 1 mph for this entire day. I think the best thing at this point would be for EK to put you at L-1. If something happens at that point to make me move my vote, great.

You claim I am squirming? Prove it.

No need to prove the obvious.

[Kmd4390]

See my sig.

Will catch up next week.

Also see my Isacc case if you haven't already. It's a good read.

[Mirth]

As much as I hate to do this, Glork is being replaced.

But the good news is, destructor's back. Wee

[destructor]

Privyet!

I am replayzing Glork. Giv me a day to catch up, ya, and I vill produze vor joo a grant and mighty post.

[Plum]

Privyet!

I am replayzing Glork. Giv me a day to catch up, ya, and I vill produze vor joo a grant and mighty post.

Здравствуйте!

This makes for an odd turn of events.

[Isacc]

Actually this could be quite useful. This forces him into a very interesting position, which may allow us to learn more about him.

Destructor: Would you please go back and check your arguments against Glork (were you calling him scummy? I think you might have, but I forget so please correct me if I am wrong), and please re-evaluate him now that you are his role. Please explain clearly what opinions about him have changed, and your reasoning for why.


Also, as a second note, what's your opinion on people's actions so far?

[imaginality]

Theorrry qwvestion: somevun or somezing haf zilence hascow, yes?

If ve haf a silencer role, vhat is meta herre on MS? Is silencer nearly alvays anti-town rrole? or can be eizer prrro-town orrr anti-town?

[elvis_knits]

Theorrry qwvestion: somevun or somezing haf zilence hascow, yes?

If ve haf a silencer role, vhat is meta herre on MS? Is silencer nearly alvays anti-town rrole? or can be eizer prrro-town orrr anti-town?

It seems anti-town to me. I remember a looooooong time ago I was in a game and I had a silencer power when I was mafia. But I don't know what the prevailing wisdom is nowadays.

Anyways, I look forward to hearing from des 2.0.

[imaginality]

Alo, salut, sunt eu, un haiduc
si te rog, iubirea mea, primeste fericirea

Alo, alo, sunt eu, Picasso
ti-am dat beep
si sunt voinic
Dar sa stii, nu-ti cer nimic

[elvis_knits]

hi imaginality!

[imaginality]

Hello elviz.

Okay. I am figurrrink, zis is goink no vhere fasst. Zo, I rekvest Isaac to

claim now pliss

.

Because if he claim now, it is givingk us time for to findt a betterer lynch, but

pizz

zitting arrrround doingk nozzing anodder vew days iss likely to lead to us makingk a impendink-deadline-panic-inspirred lynch choice, yes?

So, I think claim now is better for Isaac (if he town, he lez likely to be lynch if claim now zan if ve linker aimlezly ontil deadline), ant better for uz.

[Isacc]

If a majority of people want me to claim, I will. It will definitely reduce the number of lynch candidates, which should help the town.

If you want me to claim, please say so now.

[destructor]

Destructor: Would you please go back and check your arguments against Glork (were you calling him scummy? I think you might have, but I forget so please correct me if I am wrong), and please re-evaluate him now that you are his role. Please explain clearly what opinions about him have changed, and your reasoning for why.

I do not know what "reazonink" you expect from me. I zort zat Glork voz schomz but I voz inchorecht. Ze reason is obvhiouzly zat I know his role now.

I zort zat Glork's early play voz not vhat I vood expecht vrom im az town and did not liek his OMGUZ attack on me az vell as his reachshon to my caze for his policy lynch. Zis is ze "rezonink" I had as

Dschinghis Khan

to beleev Glork voz schomz and is reduntant to me now. In retrozpeckt, knowink his rol I am abel to see vhy he zed (or did not zay) zom ov ze tinks zat he did.

Also, as a second note, what's your opinion on people's actions so far?

Az I zed in my first incarnazion, my initial reeds ov playerz tendz to be ze stronghest. I hav noticed in skimming avter I voz killed zat a vagon is grown on Plom and cazes hav been made on her and (I tink) Iyzak. I red both of them as town throughout day won but vill giv the cazes a proper reed now.

Iv I may recal ze condorzet I posted bevore:

Condorcet Vote: Darox, imaginality, Glork, {SlySly, hasdgfas}

I was ztill quite heppy viz it ven day 2 started (und I as Dshinghis voz ded). Now zat I know I voz rong ebout Glork, I em left vith imaginality, Sly and hazcow, who I am ztill finding likely candidates as ze zchomz.

I am ztill very much confuzed az to vhy imaginality is not being questioned morr. I did not find his play in Day 1 pro-town at all. Ze most prominent event in my mind of his iz his over-enalyziz of caf's post, vich did not zeem

at all

zincere and made little zense in ze context in vich it voz made. Az I zed in Day 1, I do beleev in pro-town tells (zee ze referenze to Crackers! Mafia). I caynot recall

any

I have found vrom imaginality.

I vould be very very interezted in hearing ehveryone's opinion of him and ze validity ov ze cazes he has made in zis game.

Az vor Iyzak, I vill look over ze case now, but my inizial zort iz zat he should not be havink to claim at all. I vill be villink to show vhat I saw zat makes me tinkink zat he iz town.

[destructor]

I have never heard of a town gambit.

vote: Isacc

A town gambit.

Even iv zis is not an ekzelent ekzample, Sly's stanze on town gambit'z is zilly.

There are several protown Gambits. The issue I had with Isacc's is that I didn't see it as a Gambit. I saw it as a scum move that didn't work, so he tried to call it a Gambit.

I menzhioned zat I found Iyzak's klaim zat he voz tryink a gambit beleevabel. Here iz vhy.

However, the language issue is what I feel can be solved now. I have an important deal to make, which I think my fellow town members will see the logic in.

Caf, if that's as far as you can think, you aren't thinking at all.

Bhoth ov zeez posts very heavaly imply zat Iyzak voz indeed intendink to do moor zan vhat he had stayted.

Zo, in my mind, I do not find ze gambit az a cohmpellink argument against Iyzak. Kmd, do joo hav anyzink elz on Iyzak?

Plomb made zom ozzer argumentz on Iyzak, liek suggestink zat he voz distanzink, but overall I am ztill not zwayed.

Re: Plomb, I tink that she has adequately explayened her akzions regarding voting EK. I do find her pushink ze caze on dezh-Khan instead of Darox-schomz notable and it iz certainly worth keeping in mihnd, but I can zee zomvon doink zat az town too. And Plomb ztill looks moor town zan enyzing elze right now.

And enyvay, I vant to lynch imaginality today.