Pie E7- (Open 129): Game Over before 762

[Empking]

Vote: Hewitt

- We've played before.

[Empking]

Vote: Hewitt

- We've played before.

Haha oh yes I know what that vote is for...

What do you think its for?

[Empking]

Vote: Hewitt

- We've played before.

Haha oh yes I know what that vote is for...

What do you think its for?

For me not random voting.

Ha, hadn't noticed that.

[Empking]

Quote: Empking said "Active lurking^"

What?

[Empking]

Link?

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Dejhkla

For spamming up the thread with not-useful and acting really defensive, mostly the last point.

[Empking]

Isn't it a 2/7 chance of them being lynched not 2/5?

I was referring to NKs, which is 2/5. Town would never lynch a power role. Unless the power role was Emp, because he probably wouldn't claim before he was lynched.

I'm so happyu with my vote.

[Empking]

Okay whatever just lay off the insults this game. Empking is your vote of dejkha 100% serious like you think he's really scum?

Yes.

[Empking]

Do you think so without a doubt in your mind? Like, are you positive?

No.

[Empking]

Overdefensiveness is a scumtell.

I disagree. If I'm about to get lynched I'll defend myself in every way possible. It's a null tell. Overreacting to a question is another thing.

Unvote

I think we need a vote count since things have changed a bit around here.

No it isn't. That's why they call it "Over", also you can't be over-defensive when you're very close to lynch so your ancedote doesn't mean anything.

[Empking]

It does look like lurking.

[Empking]

The "case" against dejka is utter garbage.

What is the case? In your own words.

[Empking]

Mod; Prod on Has

please.

[Empking]

So what I'm getting from this is that zwet is being an idiot, Empking is active lurking(why haven't we lynched him yet), and dejkha is being attacked by zwet over something, but I don't know what that is. Have I missed something? Why isn't Empking dead yet?

No, I'm not.

[Empking]

not a single question to scum hunt anyone? wow....

Explain.

[Empking]

He's saying that you haven't asked a single question that would show that you're scumhunting.

Alex: If Dejhka is telling the truth. Why did you lie?

[Empking]

He's saying that you haven't asked a single question that would show that you're scumhunting.

Alex: If Dejhka is telling the truth. Why did you lie?

dude... look at your posts in isolation... you said two lines... voted for dej

For spamming up the thread with not-useful and acting really defensive, mostly the last point.

later stated you we're happy with your vote leaving no space for further discussion... in 73 you stated that you were positive about dej's scummyness...

The only thing you did later was ask wall-e to explain why he had said the case on dej was garbage... I think we have to try to prove someone guilty and not just tell others to prove him innocent...

I wan't to hear wall-e's answer anyway.

Right now... I think you haven't done a single thing to scum hunt. No. Nothing really. I'm trying to be as clear as possible.

And what's this...?

He's saying that you haven't asked a single question that would show that you're scumhunting.

Alex: If Dejhka is telling the truth. Why did you lie?

Some kind of a trick question to make me or dej look bad? What are you a lawyer? FoS on you mate:

FoS Empkling

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What does everyone else think of Empkings post? maybe my perception is wrong... But I don't think so...

How does anything of that relate to me not asking a single question to show that I'm scum hunting?

[Empking]

I would agree that none of his posts really show much of scum hunting but i also don't really understand the if dejhka is telling the truth why did you lie? I'm assuming that Empking believes that he has been helping and is saying that alexhans is lying by saying he hasn't been scum hunting. That's what I get out of it.

I've asked plenty of questions (as can be seen by looking at my posts) and all questions directed to your fellow players help scum hunting.

Its not a question of "think" what he's saying is directly opposed to the facts.

[Empking]

Emp, how old are you?

I don't give my age.

Am I voting for you?

[Empking]

Yeah, I am. Just wanted to make sure.

[Empking]

You know, now that I've looked through the thread, Hewitt, you haven't done much of anything this game. And don't blame it on me because there have been some questionable moves this game and I was there trying to get answers and even in this emp and Zwet thing, I'm asking question and pointing out logic, lies, etc.

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The first is true but you're asking the only questions that aren't in fact useful. The last two are just complete falsehoods.

[Empking]

Yeah, I said the question thing before finding out the completely useless question of asking people's ages.

[Empking]

The lurker hunt coming from Dej seems like scum trying to get a lurker lynch.

Hewitt: What scummier (IYO) Active lurking or lurking?

[Empking]

And on the note of Wall-E, he's clearly lurking, so I'm gonna take the liberty to start his wagon.

Unvote Vote: Wall-E

[Empking]

Was that a hammer?

You're saying that you voted a player you did not want lynched? And that you have announced that fact in the thread?

[Empking]

Yes.

Why did you do that?

[Empking]

Because we need to do something to keep him from lurking. Votes may be just the thing.

Votes that he knows won't lead to lynches?

[Empking]

They will if they have to.

So you were going for a lurker lynch.

[Empking]

I don't like the fact that hasdgfas posted twenty-nine minutes after being prodded which leads me to believe he was lurking heavily and since then (two days ago) has not posted again. And Wall-E has not posted in four days after picking up a prod. I believe that these two could be scum and are planning on just sliding under the radar since they know we've got quite strong personalities in this game who may self-destruct as town. So I'm going to retract my ridiculous vote.

Ok... I understand your points but saying that 2 scummies are planning to lurk to the point of getting prodded together...? That doesn't make so much sense... 1 is possible... even probable... Both of them I don't think so...

so if the game continues the way it has, I'm going to have to be replaced. I will not play with people who act like this with each other.
I haven't posted because I don't want to get in the middle of this ridiculous argument. If I don't get some measure of assurance that we're through with that, I'm done.

This is Mafia man... endure. You could always post something useful besides the ridiculous argument you say there is.

I would much prefer a lurker lynch than a policy lynch. More likely to catch scum...obviously.

I would like to avoid both.

Have you seen anything else important?

Yes, and I listed about 6 or 7, so should I assume you stopped reading altogether?

it all looks like the silly argument right now

Bad way to dismiss a good point.

Wow, it looks like you're refusing to see anything other than an argument or you haven't been reading. Either way, it's not good.

I'm sorry that everything looks like the argument. When that's all that's happened in the past 5 pages, that's what everything looks like. In a couple days, I should be able to look at everything, but I'm currently in the week of doom right now at school and don't really have time to look through everything. It's mostly skimming, and while skimming, it looks like argument.

You're switching arguments here man... first it was the stupid argument... now it's school... I can understand being busy but not switching like that under pressure.

I would think twenty-nine minutes is a little convenient after a couple of days absence.

Err... Too farfetched... Not valid as an argument in my book. Sorry hewitt.

I would think twenty-nine minutes is a little convenient after a couple of days absence.

QFT

why?

Because we need to do something to keep him from lurking. Votes may be just the thing.

Votes that he knows won't lead to lynches?

come on man... Not every vote you make is gonna be parked forever. It CAN change.

They will if they have to.

So you were going for a lurker lynch.

This... I think... Is what is sucking so much about this game... The role playing of lawyers trying to trap (with 1 line sentences) his victims. We got the point. No need to go over and over and over it again. And if you do... do it clearly in an organized post... This is not a chat.

And Wall-E was just hammered??

what gave you that impression? we are a bit lost aren't we?
to clarify: I think it was the quote of Empking and the following post by dej that talked about a hammer. But they were discussing the vote on wall-e by dej... that wasn't made to lynch him just yet but to make him appear... react... do something...

When you vote that vote should be willing to be their for an eventual lynch.

Alex: Write a paragraph detailing Dejhka's favorite colour.

[Empking]

Alex: Write a paragraph detailing Dejhka's favorite colour.

??? I don't follow.

I want to see if you can do it without asking questions. Can you?

Unvote

Vote: Wall-E

This isn't town lurking.

[Empking]

Unvote

Didn't know he was being replaced.

[Empking]

It would've been obvious to him that he wasn't lurking but he still didn't contribute.

How would you know if the mod hadn't written in a long time? Were you conscious he was at L-1?

I didn't know and yes.

[Empking]

Wow, that "only if you let me live" was certainly a scum tell even if it wasn't AtE. Dejkha and Alex are also acting pretty buddyish to him, mostly Alex with Wall-E QFT type post and Alex's "be grateful" coaching.

[Empking]

Wow, that "only if you let me live" was certainly a scum tell even if it wasn't AtE. Dejkha and Alex are also acting pretty buddyish to him, mostly Alex with Wall-E QFT type post and Alex's "be grateful" coaching.

What you mean by AtE?
Have you at least read why I didn't want to have Wall-e lynched prematurely?
Do you understand what I asked of Wall-e?

Apeal to Emotion, Yes, Yes.

I don't want him to rush a vote without giving understandable content. So that could mean I'm buddying Zwets in addition to Wall-e. And then... I've defended Dej's points in some points in the game... So according to you I'm buddying half the players in the game.

No I didn't. Putting words into people's mouths is a (pretty major) scum tell.

And you still won't give us content. You only issue a few statements that accuse some people and keep your active lurking. You avoid to give opinions on anything in particular... you just say some isolated accussations without argumenting them and go to sleep again. And I don't speak more against this... god... this was all you had to ask? 190 a stupid sherlockholmian attempt to pair me with dej???.

So I accuse you so you instead of rationally respond to the argument (or whatever word you want to use) you instead just just try and say I'm scum?

(BTW, I think giving my opinions on people in a non-parotting fashion stops me from Active Lurking.)

[Empking]

Dejhka: You know I've been lynched quicker than that right? (abit as a Jester)

[Empking]

Wow, that "only if you let me live" was certainly a scum tell even if it wasn't AtE. Dejkha and Alex are also acting pretty buddyish to him, mostly Alex with Wall-E QFT type post and Alex's "be grateful" coaching.

Uh, how am I supposed to keep posting if I'm dead?

You're not its the threat and blackmail of saying it that's the problem.

[Empking]

Alex: You might have wanted him to be replaced but that doesn't stop you from buddying up with him now he's here and you might not want his loyalty but you definately want his gratitude.

[Empking]

Alex: You might have wanted him to be replaced but that doesn't stop you from buddying up with him now he's here and you might not want his loyalty but you definately want his gratitude.

whatever man... I just wanted him to help the town not to make me out of inquiry. Given how he was lynched in the other game you should understand my renuence to quicklynch him here. I'm trying to mold him so he can scum hunt... I couldn't care less if he considers me town or not.

Who?

[Empking]

Alex: You might have wanted him to be replaced but that doesn't stop you from buddying up with him now he's here and you might not want his loyalty but you definately want his gratitude.

whatever man... I just wanted him to help the town not to make me out of inquiry. Given how he was lynched in the other game you should understand my renuence to quicklynch him here. I'm trying to mold him so he can scum hunt... I couldn't care less if he considers me town or not.

Who?

We're talking about Wall-e arent we?

Yeah, Wall-E'ds post confused me.

[Empking]

I'm amazed at this sudden attack at hewitt without any reason...
That's why Zwets and Wall-e are definetly in my scum list. I can't decide if they're bad players or just hiding in that scummy ways to go unharmed. The bad thing is that if we don't lynch any of you you will still be here tomorrow to mess with our play.

Anyway, I think hew has much more a case than any of you. His low activity in the beginning. He's different playstyle not matching his meta. When I questioned him he attacked me on ISO 15. His weak case on dej.

The lurker hunt coming from Dej seems like scum trying to get a lurker lynch.

Then he voted for Wall-e as a lurker. His lawyer attitude trying to trap dej. The weird color thing he asked me. The buddyish accusation... He never actually scum hunted but tried to look that way.

So...

Vote Empking

Also... I would like to hear from hasd wich hasn't posted in a while I think...

Don't be silly. I do not agree with his accusations due to the fact that theyu're directed at me so he must not be scumhunting.

[Empking]

I said that wrong. It should be:

Don't be silly. "I do not agree with his accusations due to the fact that theyu're directed at me so he must not be scumhunting."

[Empking]

Alexhans: That was your logic so I'm glad you don't think it makes sense.

[Empking]

Vote: Wall-E

Thought I wasn't.

[Empking]

Emp still hasn't responded me. Has made poor judgements. .

Proof, please.

Wall-E: Should be "was already".

[Empking]

Emp still hasn't responded me. Has made poor judgements. .

Proof, please.

Wall-E: Should be "was already".

you ask proof to me? I laid a much better case on you. Anyone can read your posts in isolation to find you haven't contributed at all to the game. Wanted to lynch Wall-e when he was absent and quickly wanted to lynch him when he had just arrived.

My case is sumarized in 375. This game has had very poor content. What do you expect me to prove day 1? You don't defend yourself but just dismiss my case. You DONT scumhunt. You basically sit back trying to let Wall-e or some other player lyncheed.

So, yeah, I'm pretty much convinced that you're scum.

Yeah, making claims that you can't back up means you're doing much less scumhunting than I was.

Alex: Less lying more scum hunting.

[Empking]

Me, as I scumhunt and you just randomly say things.

[Empking]

Me, as I scumhunt and you just randomly say things.

You say random things while alex scumhunts.

If thayt was the case he'd be able to back up his statements.

[Empking]

my case is laid on Empking in[url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 19#1614219]this post[/ul] and to that you have to add that he votes Wall-e without stating reasons

Vote: Wall-E

Thought I wasn't.

as it was obvious and later tried to prove I was not scumhunting because he says he is be town. Really bad logic. Is like saying hey! I'm town so I won't explain my actions because I'm innocent. Now, he doesn't de anything but say I have no proof and that he is scumhunting when he hasn't asked a single question for a long time.

Proof please. This is complete BS. That was

your

logic.

Alex; Who's your scum buddy.

[Empking]

I have got reasons. You're lying and refuse to scum hunt.

[Empking]

What gives you that impression? Is it because I've asked questions to all players in the game and tried to produce content? (While you were asking me to state dej's favourite color )

Quotes please on the last bit.

The thing that gave me that impression is that you make a lot of statements but when asked to give proof you refused to.

[Empking]

The proof is in your ISO. I don't need to quote all those 1-liners. When did I refuse to give you my case?

Where did I say that?

click the link and you'll jump to my post, then look at your ISO and you'll see that it's all true.

look at 190 where you quote my whole post and only say:

When you vote that vote should be willing to be their for an eventual lynch.

Alex: Write a paragraph detailing Dejhka's favorite colour.

That's not asking you to state his favourite colour.

Also, notice in my post that I state that you kept accusing Dej of trying to lynch Wall-e for lurking and then you vote for him because he didn't look like being replaced.

Do I have a lot on you? Maybe not. But is by far the best case there is seeing the low content and the poor reasons for votes in this game. And your actions of trying to revert your accusations into me instead of trying to ask questions or scum hunt and calling me scum and a lier are making me feel more & more confident that I'm doing the right thing voting you.

So you're voting me because I had the gaul to suspect you.

[Empking]

When did I refuse to give you my case?

Where did I say that?

Alex: Write a paragraph detailing Dejhka's favorite colour.

That's not asking you to state his favourite colour.

Whatever. What is it? It sure looked like you were trying to make me look like his alt account or his brother or something... It was your only response to that long post you quoted....

No it wasn't and it didn't ask you to state his favourite colour.

[Empking]

Are you kidding me? read 465.

Dont make it a semantics thing.

*you said "when asked to give proof you refused to". I say "When did I refuse to give you my case?". My proof is my case... what do you want me to do? Hack your computer and see if you've got schemy scum notes? What do you consider proof? Have you given any proof about anybody?

If your proof is your case then you have no proof then you have no case.

* You asked me to detail dej's fav color. It's practically the same as saying that you asked me to state dej's fav color. I don't see a difference. You keep saying No. no. No. Where did i say that? No. Liar. NO. Do you think you're scum hunting? Have you laid a case on Wall-e?

Yes.

[Empking]

Vote: Empking

I cannot believe someone can be so unhelpful to the town. I can't even say I'm convinced he's scum at all but his actions are so scummy, obnoxious, and nonsensical I can't play in this game with him any longer.

Hewitt; Did I ask A to state Dejhka's favourite colour? Did I say A refused to provide a case?

[Empking]

Are you kidding me?

You seriously wanted an answer to that?

[Empking]

That's the only question I asked you?

No

The only one that wen't unanswered?

Yes.

You wen't back to read that post and didnt find other things that might be worth talking about?

No.

Are you scumhunting with this silly posts?

Yes.

Or just posting so you won't get prodded?
No.

Look at your last post in ISO!!!! what have you done? NOTHING! You're sickening me.

This is something only scum would say in order to get town off their case.

[Empking]

This is something only scum would say in order to get town off their case.

What case?

Its a phrase.

[Empking]

Calling out someone for active lurking is only for scum? lol

So, basically, you're saying only scum would say the phrase I wrote... so, you should conclude I'm scum. right? Well, you think that is good proof? The kind of proof you asked for?

And, despite what you say, you haven't answered a lot of my questions. Look me in ISO and follow the "?" then see if you did.

Mod: What happens if there is a tie in deadline? No lynch, flip, the first one goes down or what?

You've already admitted that you don't want answers for them.

[Empking]

That's the only question I asked you? The only one that wen't unanswered?

Alex; I don't want anseers from you so you can shut up too. At least I'm sumhunting rather than your plan.

Whih is:
1. Lie
2. Lie some more
3. Blame me for your lying.
4. Start the proess again.

[Empking]

unvote, vote Empking

Start playing the game.

How am I not?

[Empking]

Hewitt: Y48,. 49, 50, 53, 58.

[Empking]

unvote, vote Empking

Start playing the game.

How am I not?

How are you? do what hewitt said and go find and quote five posts of you "playing the game"

IU'm trying to find scum. (The ionly player trying to do so.)

I'm the op BTW.

[Empking]

I don't believe 48, 50, 53, or 58 are scumhunting at all.

You don't knoew what scum hunting is.

And did you just claim cop?

Yes.

[Empking]

I don't believe 48, 50, 53, or 58 are scumhunting at all.

You don't knoew what scum hunting is.

And did you just claim cop?

Yes.

And you do know what that is? You can't even write without making mistakes every post. This is not the messenger.

If your claim is genuine then you're the worst cop I've ever seen. I'm wondering again what's your age and why you were so secretive about it... are you very young?

unvote

Ad Hom.

Unvote

Vote; Alex

[Empking]

Okay let's not go into age and everything else. Last game I was in where the cop claimed on D1 and the town lynched him anyway the town lost. zwets that was the game you were lynched as the cop in and Empking I believe you were in it too until the end correct?

He wasn't lynched, we lynched scum.

[Empking]

Ad Hom.

Unvote

Vote; Alex

*sigh* Ad hom would be valid if I was trying to lynch (and voted you) you by personally attacking you..

That's not how ad hom works.

The fact that you've been antitown and scummy the whole game doesn't make all cases against you wrong.

The fact that its wrong though, does.

Asumming your claim is true. You still don't scum hunt but say one phrase without reasoning. I don't like at all how you've been playing.

I don't like your play either. Its too easy to get away with lying in open games that I consider scum un-sportsman like when they keep using it.

[Empking]

I feel like banging my head to a wall...

I'll make it clearer, If I attacked you personally and pretend that was a case then it would be Ad Hom.

No it wouldn't.

The fact that its wrong though, does.

This quote resumes everything. You don't give reasoning for what you say. You seem to believe you hold the Holy Truth and everybody else has to agree with whatever you say and can not doubt your play.

Yes I did. If your case was true you would be able to give proof.

[Empking]

No It wouldn't what? What are you trying to say? Stop with the short meaningless answers!

Well its respond to your statement, maybe that's a clue...

You keep going again and again at the same... But you only ask me to give proof on you. You don't give proof yourself or ask others to give proof on their cases. Wich suggest too much defensiveness.

I give proof when asked.

You don't (because you're unable to).

[Empking]

I feel like banging my head to a wall...

I'll make it clearer, If I attacked you personally and pretend that was a case then it would be Ad Hom.

No It wouldn't what? What are you trying to say? Stop with the short meaningless answers!

Well its respond to your statement, maybe that's a clue...

Ok. Analize what you wrote. You're saying that if I personally attack you and pretend a case on you it's not ad hom. That's what you're saying with your answer. Although I don't think that's what you wanted to write. Pay attention. You just dismiss whatever I say in less than 2 minutes without logically refuting it (in a 1 liner). What you wrote doesn't make sense because it would dismiss any vote you made argumenting ad hom.


I don't think no one else thinks you either gave proof or really scum hunted. You just went for Wall-e for lurking and for me for accusing you. Your signature should be stubborn as hell.

And Alexhans lies again.

[Empking]

That's all? I wrote what I wrote in 3:40 you posted 3:41... (the minimum time to fast read it and press the quote button and write "And Alexhans lies again")...

Seeing how you like latin-named fallacies I'll give you what you're doing:
Ad Nauseam.

But the worst thing is that its unexplained Ad nauseam...

It takes two to tango.

(You're going to ask "What tango?" aren't you."

[Empking]

I unvoted due to the cop claim. If there are no counter claims I think it's safe to assume he is telling the truth.

Oh, I didn't see that. Go figure. Not only was the cop role wasted on Emp, but he claims with no reason because his desire to be killed before Day 2 is apparently even larger than usual.
!

I was L-1 and Zwet still hadn't voted me.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Dejhka

Can I remind everyone that we only have like a day before deadline.

[Empking]

nothing dude... I just want to get reactions from my investigations and yours was not the most innocent I have gotten so far.

I still suspect that you might be voting Zwet's just as rettaliatory action and be keeping Emp for the ride because he is usually anti-town. Check your own wiki.

And again. You dismiss everyone that doesn't agree with you and attack them (ad hom could go here) personally. That's not pro-town.

Are you voting him?

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Zwet