Wheel of Time Mafia: Rip in the Pattern (GAME OVER)

[Seraphim]

I wonder if an Aes Sedai would be allowed to vote a lynch on one who is not a darkfriend?

If I recall from the last game, Aes Sedai could vote but could not hammer.

[Seraphim]

Actually, that isn't completely true. If an Aes Sedai with a cop ability investigated a player and received a scum result, I'm fairly sure they could hammer the next day.

Also, the Aes Sedai should NOT claim unless they feel they absolutely need to...that's part of the reason that the town lost last game was because of power roles prematurely claiming.

[Seraphim]

I'm glad to say that, looking over the player list, that no one deserves a policy lynch which is good.

[Seraphim]

We can use this to test Aes Sedai claims, however. That's the best policy.

[Seraphim]

We can use this to test Aes Sedai claims, however. That's the best policy.

So you're saying that if an "Aes Sedai" tries to hammer someone that they're not sure are scum, the vote will not be counted?

If that's what it is, I approve of the strategy.

If the game works the same as the last game, yes, that should be how it works. The Three Oaths are a major mechanic...people should definitely read over them and make sure they try and understand game-related nuances they will cause.

[Seraphim]

Any flavor?

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

No screwing for me, thanks.

[Seraphim]

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

Sorry about that. Last time it was only a suggestion.

[Seraphim]

MoS, I'm assuming you have read the books and have knowledge of the flavor?

[Seraphim]

Dude, do you know how stupid and completely pointless to start that again is?

I think it should be obvious that those bound by the Three Oaths do have the town win condition...therefore making it pointless to do that.

FoS: MacavityLock

It didn't work last game, why did you expect it to work this time? The mod would never had made such a glaring loophole.

[Seraphim]

FoS: MacavityLock

[Seraphim]

You're right...it can't hurt.

However, that doesn't make it any more useless. We already know the scum will probably be able to lie. It seems like you're scum who just wants to look pro-town by making a useless call to declare townness.

Also, I have the town win condition and do not win any other way.

[Seraphim]

Unvote
Vote: Shadow Knight

[Seraphim]

Most likely, the Aes Sedai will find a way around any sort of direct statement. They do it all the time in the books, I'm sure that the Aes Sedai players will be able to as well.

[Seraphim]

I suggest less role and set-up speculation and more scumhunting.

Shadow Knight, I have no idea why you're so panicked. No one should suggest that the Aes Sedai massclaim nor should the town force any players to make statements that out power roles.

The scum know who the other scum are, and because of that it isn't difficult for them to work out who the Aes Sedai are through process of elimination if people are asked to tell the truth.
IF we must force people to answer questions, we need to stop asking stupid questions like "Are you scum?".

I'm not smart enough to come up with decent questions though...

I couldn't tell you why, but this post seems to reek to me of "Oh, shit, I'm scum, quick, come up with something town to say without implicating myself!" I want to hear more from Fabian, please.

ML, you've gone down in suspicion but I still think making the statement is pointless. Shadow Knight reeks to me right now as he seems to be pushing a bullshit attack against ML, saying that saying we're town is somehow anti-town...

The only thing that asking the entire town to say a certain phrase will accomplish is to out any Aes Sedai that are here.

Not really. The point being made is that this probably won't actually out anyone.

This is not only a waste of the town's time, it can lead to outing town power roles while learning nothing about the scum. This is inherantly anti-town.

Agreed on the first part but I seriously don't see how this will out power roles. You also seem VERY sure that the scum can all lie.

Its rather simple. Just because the sentence NOW doesn't out power roles or Aes Sedai, it doesn't mean that a sentence in the future won't. Starting down this path of "lets make everyone say the same thing" will only out the people who can't lie (Aes Sedai) later. How can you not see that?

This point is actually valid and I understand your concern. However, it's extremely unlikely that the town will intentionally try to out the Aes Sedai. This is simply to out roles that may not be town and cannot lie.

@Seraphim- and you don't think it will be a little obvious when players start side-stepping questions?

Read the books, man. Aes Sedai are very sneaky.

I feel like you don't understand possible consequences of the whole town saying a certain phrase. Either that or you want them to.

This isn't a Tar game. I don't expect to be fucked over by saying that we're all town unless you can think of a flavor reason. I frankly can't think of any sort of role that would win in that fashion...

[Seraphim]

I feel like you don't understand possible consequences of the whole town saying a certain phrase. Either that or you want them to.

This isn't a Tar game. I don't expect to be fucked over by saying that we're all town unless you can think of a flavor reason. I frankly can't think of any sort of role that would win in that fashion...

It may not be a Tar game, but Kinetic did steal Tar's ruleset, which gives me pause. Plus, if this was tried in the first game, I'd expect Kinetic would think of some way to mess people up.

Yes, it was tried, and it didn't work. Why would he add something to screw people up with something that didn't work last time?

I just think this kind of speculation is pointless unless you can come up with a flavor reason for this. Less speculation and more scumhunting please.

[Seraphim]

Unvote
Vote: fuzzylighting

Fuzzy needs more prodding as his posts have been scum-tastic.

[Seraphim]

I like my vote.

Also, Slicey, Aes Sedai are pretty much female magicians who have taken an oath(check the first post). They are generally "good" but don't always support the agenda of the main characters in the book. Generally manipulative.

[Seraphim]

Also, Fabian's plan is just about as useful as ML's. I think all the set-up speculation needs to STOP. Scum hunt more, please.

[Seraphim]

Fist of Trollocs role would be awesome.

Mod: Put that in the next game as that would be amazing.

Anyway, Fabian...that was probably the most retarded claim I have ever seen. Not because I don't believe it(which I do) but because it was seriously premature.

Unvote
Vote: Albert B Rampage

Going with Flay on this one. Opportunistic jump onto and off of the bandwagon. I'm willing to let Fabian live. Also, fuzzy...I'll keep an eye on Fuzzy. But ABR is a lot worse right now.

Expect more content later, just needed to get that out there.

Also, fuzzy either has

mod error

or a doublevoter on his wagon.

Next game.... right... got it... And I did not make three mistakes in that post.

[Seraphim]

I don't agree. A live townie is a townie we need. I don't know how this theme is going to work with cops and such, but we can always check him later. Did insane people automatically become darkfriends?

Let me clarify...

In the last game, the male channeler eventually went insane and became an SK the more he used his power. Also, this marks the second time that I've outed the male channeler in almost the exact same way.

In the last game, we were forced to kill him because it required two Aes Sedai to gentle...and one of them already had claimed, forcing him to protect himself from attack.

I say we see what tomorrow brings...but I would much rather lynch the obvscum ABR.

[Seraphim]

And no, insane people are not Darkfriends.

[Seraphim]

Kinetic must be crying...the male channeler was his favorite role in the last game and it got lynched day 1 because of the exact same thing happening here.

[Seraphim]

He can be gentled, still.

[Seraphim]

In the last game, two Aes Sedai working together can still or gentle any channeler in the game. I am working under the assumption this is still the case.

[Seraphim]

Since Fabian is *supposedly* specifically told he/she is a stiller alone, does this mean we may actually not have that option for Aes Sedai in this game?

Where the hell did Fabian say that?

[Seraphim]

Alright, Spyre, I don't think we need to lynch you if you stop using the One Power. Clearly, you've already gone insane but that doesn't mean you're an SK yet. If it's a time thing like in the books, you clearly won't become completely mad until later. If it's how often you use the power...well, that's bad.

However, I still think that we should allow whatever to play out. Scum got an easy D1 lynch while still looking town back in the old game. I say we lynch scum today and see what happens in the morning.

[Seraphim]

Except in the mini he would have become un-NKable, correct? What do we do if we reach end-game, SpyreX suddenly goes fully whacko, and we're unable to deal with him? We lose to an SK we could nip in the bud a lot earlier.

Right now, it's a waste of a lynch. Especially Albert B Scum is standing right in front of us.

[Seraphim]

Since Fabian is *supposedly* specifically told he/she is a stiller alone, does this mean we may actually not have that option for Aes Sedai in this game?

Where the hell did Fabian say that?

Can you answer this question first? Because if Fabian said this, I will be voting him instead.

[Seraphim]

UnFoS
FoS: Mr. Flay

You should know better than that. Seriously.

[Seraphim]

I am dubious of ABR's claim. I'm not going to refute it, however.

Unvote
Vote: Mr. Flay

Now I can focus on my other suspect.

[Seraphim]

Sorry for my extended absence. It was completely unexpected, real life and all that. I'll try to get in a post today(Prom and I'm not going) but no guarantees.

[Seraphim]

Mod: Note my sig.

[Seraphim]

Fabian, WTF? I come back to reread and see that and slammed my desk on my head. Explain, please, before I vote you.

[Seraphim]

Unvote
Vote: xxFabianxx

[Seraphim]

I find the fact that you want to lynch me very anti-town.

If you are town, I will never play another game with you again, lol. But I'm sure you're scum.

MOAR VOTES ON FABIAN PLEASE.

[Seraphim]

So you're a Death Miller Male Channeling Supersaint?

[Seraphim]

Alright, now you're just fishing for a Scummy nom.

[Seraphim]

Actually, I can confirm Fabian's claim seeing as I'm Frodo from LotR. The time traveling thing checks out with my role.

[Seraphim]

SHIT MAN WHY DID YOU HAMMER THE CONFIRMED TOWN?

[Seraphim]

I think all the players who claimed to have real roles from WoT are clearly lying. Is anyone else a time traveler?

[Seraphim]

Die scum die.

[Seraphim]

I think all the players who claimed to have real roles from WoT are clearly lying. Is anyone else a time traveler?

I'm The Doctor

Wait, Doctor who?

[Seraphim]

Hey, Isacc, hammer please.

[Seraphim]

So, Fabian is lynched, right?

[Seraphim]

From who? Or is this in the wrong game?

[Seraphim]

And that's what I thought. *whistles and waits for Fabian's flip*

[Seraphim]

I slept in the silo. More content later.

[Seraphim]

Hey guys. I may be coming out of V/LA...this is my first priority. I'm going to catch up and lay down some serious postage.

[Seraphim]

The two of them do know each other in real life, guys.

[Seraphim]

I see four possibilities:

Kairyuu is town. Isacc is town.
Kairyuu is town. Isacc is scum.
Kairyuu is scum. Isacc is town.
Kairyuu is scum. Isacc is scum.

We can eliminate the third possibility because it's illogical.

Kairyuu is town. Isacc is town.
Kairyuu is town. Isacc is scum.

Kairyuu is scum. Isacc is town.

Kairyuu is scum. Isacc is scum.

Therefore, if we lynch Kairyuu and he flips scum, Isacc cannot be town. However, if we lynch Kairyuu and he flips town, Isacc could still either be scum or town.

If we lynch Isacc and he flips town, Kairyuu cannot be scum. However, if we lynch Isacc and he flips scum, Kairyuu could still either be scum or town.

Not sure what to make of it, honestly. Still catching up but I think lynching Isacc is probably the right play today.

[Seraphim]

Unvote
Vote: Isacc

Kairyuu is town.

Thank you for clearing that up, Isacc.

[Seraphim]

ABR.

No. Just no.

They are two different players. Seriously. Those accusations are just ridiculous and saddening.

[Seraphim]

Jesus Christ, I read the topic and it grows like 5 pages every day.

[Seraphim]

Except with War in Heaven, there wasn't a giant gap in the game where I lost track of 20 pages.

[Seraphim]

I am insulted. If I wanted to be compared to a dog...

Um.

Um.

Where do people go to get compared to dogs?

[Seraphim]

Flay, just claim dude. Gotta give the people what they want.

This is strange wording. You seem to be daytalking scum with him. Please note that lie detection abilities CAN BE FAKED, as in Mind Screw Mafia III (ask Seraphim).

Absolutely. This is so true. There are other abilities than can be used in place of a lie detector to create the fallacy of a lie detector.

[Seraphim]

Blacksmith. Hi everyone.

I'm really sorry that I haven't been giving this game any attention whatsoever. I may have to replace out unless I think I can catch up and read soon.

[Seraphim]

Wow. I haven't even read most of the game and I can already see that Mufasa is lying, fake-claiming scum. As usual.