The scum team is:
Raging Wishbone
Apples and Banana
Yosariwen
DIE SCUM DIE
MARK MY WORDS.Incamnito wrote:Yay!
I was just getting low on games.
VOTE : ZMD
Why? I was listening to Portishead, the new album, and I was thinking that it is just as progressive for TODAY as the old albums were FOR THEN.
Like, logically, Portishead(Third) is to NOW as Portishead(Dummy) was to 1994. You understand.
AndFOS Yosariwenfor artificially inflating thier post count.
Huh, Frog Dodging, among others, hadn't even posted by that point. Camn had posted (off the hydra by accident - Camn, maybe see if you can set the hydra board style to something different than your main account, i.e. sepia if your main is on subsilver etc. Nuwen, I think you did the smae thing, so same friendly suggestion goes out to you as well) a little under an hour before your vote. How, may I ask, did you expect that to 'obv' be read as a prod vote? Did you mean prod as 'nudge to answer these questions'? Also, Pesco Light, pro-tip: read the thread. Incamn referenced the other game and was told off by the Mod. She cannot be expected to answer anything further regarding what points she was trying to make and examine with that reference and speculation.Pesco Light wrote:I'm taking that as over-reacting to an obv-prod vote. It can stay.
Pesco
This, this random stage is both too long and too insubstantial for my delicate tastes. By the way, I'm *slightly/somewhat* more concerned about heavy bandwagoning in the random stage in this game specifically. We have, as of the time I'm writing this ~2.3 days before the action block cometh. Scum bandwagoning, with these deadlines, can equal falling back on suboptimal bandwagons, possibly random-stage bandwagons, in anticipation of the relentless scumkill rate.Nuwen wrote:The wagon on Camn appeared out of nowhere and is bankrupt of any real foundation. As a reaction fisher, the wagon lacks enough substance to properly pull a read out of Incog or Camn.
In that post you notedPesco Light wrote:I take it you're serious about this. Let's hear some reasons why.
Nice thinking, Ortohoops; my obv endorsement here should be obvious.Ortohoops wrote:I propose during periods when the town has even numbers, we don't leave players at L-1 for this reason. Any claim to prevent your lynch in this scenario should be done before you're left dangling and susceptable to scum killing someone to drop the numbers.
Raging Wishbone: why did you find it necessary to remove your random vote despite not having a better candidate at the time???sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:Learn to read. We need to lynch more than every 84 hrs. This is a speed game, we were wasting time on the Camn wagon.Frog Dodging wrote:Not the massive three person page 1 bandwagon! Damn, that goes to lynch all the time, gotta be vigilant about that sorta thing.
Only RVS pressure + she looked town + apparently there were breadcrumbs. It doesn't strongly smell of Town kill and frankly . . . this post gives me bad vibes in the region of my gut.Raging Wishbone wrote:If I am wrong and Incamito was killed by scum with five votes on him, why? Why would scum waiste that kill on someone who was wagoned so hard? Did he write something that really scared the scum team?
It's Plum with DGB .populartajo wrote:DGb with Hoopla
I think someone else already pointed out that this was pretty counterproductive.Raging Wishbone wrote:Are you kidding me sweety? I aint voting for PL, because you disguise a fart as some sort of diatribe that is suppossed to be an articulate argument! Lynch scum DUMBASS, not Townies!
^^goodposttharFrog Dodging wrote:Explain "Incamn's crumbing was a null-tell" v. "Incamn's crumbing was more likely to be scum than town" to me, please.
This ALSO makes me twitch. I would guess, if I had to, that Incamn was a kill o' scum.Yosariwen wrote:Why are you assuming it was a scum kill, Frog? Especally considering that there were 5 votes on the wagon, I wouldn't at all be surprised if the Incamn kill was a compulsive vig (remember, if there is a compulsive vig, that role has to kill every single action phase, every 96 hours.)Frog Dodging wrote:
Why would you assume something before you have reason to assume it? I'd say that Yosariwen pointing out the breadcrumb thus signaling to the scum "HEY-O POWER ROLE HERE" is a much better reason for the kill than to frame 5 people on a bandwagon.
I don't see that; I see FD arguing against basically policy lurker lynchng. I agree that speedlynching lurkes is a bad idea, but I'm not letting the lurkers of the hook: lurking, especially active lurking/posting without much actual content will be weighted as a BIG scumtell in my books. Nvertheless, I think the first part of your attack on FD here is a misrepresentation, as Ortohoops' plan was not perfect; parts were not even good ideas to implement, and I don't see FD's arguments against it as actually translating into wanting to slow the game down, as you say.Ragin Wishbone wrote:Thus far I see Frod Dodging being useless, arguing against Orthoops' plan (meaning supporting slowing down the game, meanig bad) and then after being called out on it immediately upping the aggressive with a vote on Yosariwen, who thus far feels strongly town. That's definitely good enough for avote: frog dodging.
For posterity and the sake of maintaining my sanity as I write this, I'm noting this.Raging Wishbone wrote:I'm not at all suspicious of Yosariwen, the crumbing, while a bad move, feels like unnatural play for scum (especially smart scum), and while I've never played with Nuwen, Yos feels like his town self thus far.
Yeah, except there's every chance it's an SK, no?Pesco Light wrote:Let the vig take care of lurkers.
Second post in the game, dears, pointing out an error to the Mod is an absolute nulltell. The first part may be true, but the conclusion you come to is unmitigatd, scummy junk.Apples and Banana wrote:PBPA of Yosariwen:
Not game-related, but here for the sake of having all the posts.Yosariwen wrote:The timer counting down the end to Action Phase 1 is off - it's set to 12:00 on 3-30-09 instead of 4-30-09. Link to fixed countdown.
thanks for the correct link. Editing the OP now. ~Adel
But as Yos said, pressuring would work best with a specific target and a vote on said target. Yes, his answer was good, and no, I don't find that suspicios, but I'm seeing shades of the Too Townie to be Town fallacy from you, A&B. Coincidence is null.Apples and Banana wrote:Lurker vote, when, as pointed out, several other hydras hadn't posted either. Quite coincidental, in hindsight, that he happened to pick someone that flipped Scum, given how many people had yet to post.
You're trusting your partner's judgement on two players you think may be town? No strong scum reads? Get some and grow a spine while you're at it, please; if you think someone is scum, don't sit with your vote on him or her.Raging Wishbone wrote:Paraphrasing the rest of the posts today; I think the sexed v yo/nuw argument sound like two townies... although Frog Dodge made an excellent point elaborating on a few other posts that it did seem like Yoso lied and completely contradicted Nuwens post about them not talking...
My partner wants his vote on Froggy right now, so I'm leaving it there, but we talked earlier and he said he would be able to post soonish... so if he wants to take Yoso to L1... I trust my honey Bunnies judgement.
I ain't got many good scum reads right now, I have town reads...
Jscope
Hoops
PokeaTaj
I kinda think...
yousonew
sexwithashaft
...and probably frogdoger may be townies. In fact without my partner around I would unvote frogdodge if he was in danger of being lynched... Yoso I am just not so sure about, I also dont like that she is posting elsewhere as someone else pointed out but not here?
This on the rospect of a Yosariwen lynch.Raging Wishbone wrote:This will be a BAD lynch imo, so whoever pulls the trigger please make sure everyone else wants to stay on board considering the dialog of the last few hours!
*pulls out hair in frustration* Also RW keeps continuing the train of thought re someone possibly trying to get Yosariwen mokilled . . .Raging Wishbone wrote:Regarding YoSo, I would not vote to lynch them, (other than their possible lie and trying to find an excuse for sexEd, I still think they sound like townies trying to stay in the game).... then again my partner is much wiser and expereinced than I am so if he votes them tomorrow or next chance he has to vote I will support his choice!
If you think someone is town and a bad lynch you basically have the obligation, as a Townie, to argue some against the lynch, tll us why it's bad, and offer an alternative suspect. I don't see any of that; you're just assuming it's inevitable . . . scum distancing from town wagon? Gah, I'll try to make that the first and last of the sort of speculation for the moent, sorry.Raging Wishbone wrote:I am really thinking yoso is a bad lynch... Whoever wants to hammer, please read the last four pages (tonights posts) carefully... and give it just a tad of time. My partner said he would probably be around tomorrow afternoon and I know RR will cut through those pages like butter melts on warm bread...
I am NOT stalling, a few hours wont hurt... I just really think there was something important in the last four pages and it would be prudent for everyone to consider before hammering yo/nuwen!
I think it was a mistake on the part of the Mod.Raging Wishbone wrote:Aha I see what happened, the alts are confussing things... Here is the last post I see from DGB/plum or Zaphord Beeblebrox?
If she voted for SexEd... I can't find it?Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:Unvote; Vote: Apples and Banana
*Plum*
Sudden, unexpected, unexplaianed switch from 'Yosariwen is prob town' to 'I'm putting Yosariwen at L-1 because suddenly I decided I needed to lick everyone's boots'? DIE SCUM DIE.Raging Wishbone wrote:meh, I have been thinking.. I guess you all are right and I am wrong A & B, SexEd, my humble apologies... I give, she can go to L1...
UNVOTE: Vote YosNuwen!
I guess we all get credit for the hammer now.
This both means nothing about Yosariwen's alignment and makes no sense in the context of the arguemtns I think you're trying to make.Raging Wishbone wrote:@ Yoso: There was another game a bunch of the same people here played called "Lovers multi ball".... so you put together a nice AIM log,...well four of our scum posted FAKE daytalk in that game ten times more convincing then what you wrote! They were SleepeyPanda/Armix and the other scum was Neko/Sekinj... Their daytalk was a brilliant attempt, but it was really easy to cut through the BS and end that scum game quick.
I judge RW to be scum and in need of a mice swift lynch in the, uh, neck. If you're not willing to hammer someone, especially in this game it would beg the question: Why did you put Yosariwen at L-1? Want to seem clean of blood?Raging Wishbone wrote:Would I hammer you both now? NO! But I have no problem putting you at l1 after spending half my night defending you and I will let the rest of the town be the judge of this and who we lynch.
I will say this. I'd be very surprised if Yosariwen was bus'ed. I would look for scum off the wagon, or very late on the wagon. Not pushing the wagon or early. I say this, fully realizing that I was off the wagon.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:DGB why have you been strangely quiet?
Like I said in the previous post. I'm pretty beat up and I'm scrunched up in my corner licking my wounds.Raging Wishbone wrote:I agree with this, and RR made metnion of it early in the game. She was extremely pro-active in the last two games I played with her and seems active elsewhere on MS, so I am not sure why she is not more involved.
No natural OMGUS, no outrage at being wagoned unfairly... only a weak case against a single player.Yosariwen wrote:Anyway, my main suspect right now is Raging Wishbone. Early on, they were defending me; then all of a sudden they turned around and joined my wagon, for reasons that make absolutly no sense at all. And it's interesting to note that he was not willing to hammer me, but wanted on to the bandwagon when it wasn't a hammer; which just makes it look like he knows the wagon is going to go bad, and dosn't want to take the blame for it.
Vote:Raging wishbone
It's on "average." I expect, on average, one scum in the first group, and another in the second group. If there is a third scum, it would be in the blue group if the player was sure that Yosariwen was going down in flames, or in the green group if the player thought there was hope and maybe even lurked.Ortohoops wrote:Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: Then I think it's likely that one scum is in the red group, and another in the blue group.Why do you think two scum?
Did you vote with your hydra name, or as SensFan? Because if you voted as SensFan, it didn't count.SensFan wrote:Not sure where in the timeline, I think I'm between Hoops and Pesco, but I was also on the wagon.Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:Looking at the wagon, I'd say that:
Frog Dodging, sex w/ shafteds wife club, Ortohoops,Pesco Light, Raging Wishbone, Zmd
The players in green are almost confirmed town. Those in blue to a lesser extent, it might be last minute desperate distancing/bus'ing.
I'm also nearly certain that there is one scum among the below:
PoketheAlpaca, J-Scope,Death the Hogfather
Trotskyscum wrote:this tone is so fake.RagingWishbone wrote: Sorry I still don't get it, there was not 50% of the votes places on Incangnitoan? Alright so Nuwen made a huge MISTAKE? As far as my meta and previous experiences playing with her, she seems to think she is incapable of mistakes? I'm not sure I am buying this?
add post 119, 121 and 127 to the picture and you get a scummyperson. i count appeal to emotion, buddying up, strawmanning, ad hominem and a strong and apparently baseless conviction in pescolight's townliness. war in heaven people, was walt wishbone's posting so annoyingly scummy? i doubt these posts are raging rabbit, unless he had a severe concussion. (yes, i am korts atm and haven't consulted rofl about this)
Losing two buddies on page 17 and Day 2, now perhaps alone against 10 townies?Zmd wrote:I don't know. One scum left. I'd think scum would put up more of a fight knowing their dead buddies are counting on them.
I can think of many reasons.Ortohoops wrote:The thing is though, if Hogfather was the last scum, why would he throw the game away and not try and stop his lynch? I know they've been having hydra problems, but if you were the last alive for your team, I doubt he'd be accepting a loss so easily.
I think he's probably lazy town.
I believe that was the hammer.Frog Dodging wrote:Action Phase 1 we tracked Yosariwen, who strangely enough we got no result on. Also, I've discussed this with my partner and we've realized there's almost no downside to claiming who we're going to track next. ZMD, if you are a non-doc power role, do not target us. If you're scum and you target us, there's a good chance we'll see you.
Also, reduce the suspect pool etc. etc.Vote Death the Hogfatherciao!
Please post with your hydra.SensFan wrote:You can confirm I'm a Tracker in the days to come.Ortohoops wrote:Apples and Banana, please claim your results now. Not after people have claimed their action
I want to confirm you actually are a tracker
Oh, and search my posts in isolation. Up until my claim, everytime I referred to the role Tracker, I spelled it "Trakcer".
Weird somment here makes me raise my eyebrows but honestly I'm not sure why.Ortohoops wrote:I think this is the way I'm going to go once the cooldown phase is over. DGB has been uncharacteristically quiet this game - I don't know if she's trying to alter her own scum meta, or she's just been busy, but I don't like her ties with Yos-scum.
In this case it looks very much like scum wishywashyness, especially when it would come to bussing a valuable teammate. DGB teels me from her experience with WW he sometimes feels off as town anyway, his thinking patterns etc. It is or can be a scumtell - scum might have an interest in not looking too much like a hammer-busser; in that case WW kinda failed hard. RR's posts, however, read as very reasonable and moderately townie, so I'm not sure what to make of it.Raging Wishbone wrote:No, this [wanting to vote and/or lynch a playerbut not wanting to hammer him] doesn't make sense. And no, that doesn't make it a scumtell.
Gah, the WIFOM, it burnses us, precioussss.Yosariwen wrote:Anyway, my main suspect right now is Raging Wishbone. Early on, they were defending me; then all of a sudden they turned around and joined my wagon, for reasons that make absolutly no sense at all. And it's interesting to note that he was not willing to hammer me, but wanted on to the bandwagon when it wasn't a hammer; which just makes it look like he knows the wagon is going to go bad, and dosn't want to take the blame for it.
The "if they exist" bit is the crucial part here - I'm not sure why in the world you assumed it was the case or why two claimed Trackers wouldn't be a good thing in that case anyway. Juxtaposed with your first clause of having not thoroughly assimilated the information in the rules, I'm not sure what to make of this sort of mistake - how possible was this scum trying to throw suspicion on a dangerous claimed Tracker, and how possible it was just another mistake in thinking.Kison and lullaby, I cannot spell the username you came up with at all wrote:2. With one tracker (confirmed by sex's flip) out and one roleblocker down, town can play follow the tracker and force scum to hunt the doc (if they exist). Which is a very ideal situation all around.
Raging Wishbone wrote:He's just comfortable voting for the guy he thinks would be a likely mislynch.
The merits of doing this:ortolan wrote:determined by voting does not equal arbitrary, certainly not more than any other method we could use of deciding who to lynch.
Good to be reminded where his random vote was, and the fact that he unvoted for no pressing reason and did not even vote someone else at that time. It's . . . intriguing.Raging Wishbone wrote:I love this post... Did you really not read that he had been killed? I tend to agree with you speed lynching lurkers is fail, but I do agree with a few others who said this game needs to move quick. I have yet to speak with my partner since this game started yesterday, but for now I am going to unvote...
UNVOTE: Trotsky
Yeah, see RW, I'm here too, and I'm trying to pull all my hydra's weight right now. Zaphod is Plum as well as DGB, and the hydra is still playing and doesn't see why you suggested giving a free pass. I'm Town, so on the face of it I'd like it, except that it'Zmd wrote:Are you being serious?
None of us want DGB to leave. But what will we accomplish by letting her win this specific game if she is scum?
This post is so bad it hurts.
Sesnfan wrote:I think Ortohoops is Scum.
No, it looks like a more stream-of-conciouness-type post. Kinda like this one. Zmds position and explanation of his thought process etc. do not add up to anything but a reasonable conclusion, and the fact that the thought process was shown - I can't see why you'd think it was an attempt at maing A&B look scummy when Zmd eventually concurred unless you put an enormou amount of stock in subconciouness and attempts to manipulate the ubconcious - and I don't recall Zazie or Kmd to have ever tried that as a scum gambit/strategy. Your other points and a fuller analysis of your participation on the Yosariwen caase coming as soon as I'm on a computer that lets me access the entire thread .J-Scope wrote:Zmd did you just push an argument then withdraw it in the same post? Why?
You are acknowledging correctly now that you are not confirmed town, correct? Then why did you go ahead and keep that false argument on A&B? It looks like you are falsely trying to paint him as scum.
These are my basic thoughts - my preferred order would be something like this, excluding any lynch on myself:Zmd wrote:How am I tunneling? I see A&B and Ortohoops as town. If we quicklynch you, JScope, and Zaphod, we should win. ny would be next, but I see them as pretty townie too.