DHSDSM alpha: Game Over.

[Adel]

Mod: If someone submits a kill, will this kill go through no matter what within 6 to 18 hours? E.g. what if they submit a kill then 3 hours later get lynched. Will that kill resolve before they get lynched, or still resolve after they get lynched, or not resolve at all?

the kill will resolve before the lynch resolves.

[Saunt Adelaus]

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Mod

, please try and make twilights last closer to 6 hours than 18, as time is of the essence in determining the result of this game)

It isn't up to me, it is up to random.org.

[J-Scope]

We're still in twilight right? I don't think those votes count.

RW, I can't find the conclusion to this one argument you had with Yos-Nuwen. Can you show how that ended?

...See he didn't as far as I can read, someone else did, perhaps a scum buddy? This ties into the lie which originally got you put on the spot. You claimed to have a non existent conversation with Yos regarding crumbtrails. you both contradicted each other...I kinda still think you are a bad lynch but why lie when you don't need to?

Someone else, I think A&B, pointed out that Yos was the first one to release the AIM chats. That seemed to be the primary reason you voted Yos-Nuwen even though you felt you weren't ready. What had made you think it was a lie in the beginning?

Also you talked about how people had made elaborate fake chats in another game. What made you think Yos-Nuwen's chats were fakes? Was it the wording of something?

[Raging Wishbone]

Today we can either do one or three lynches. It will depend on who posts. I'm thinking three lynches is likely to be practically difficult, in which case we will need to do one, wait till the kill gets committed tomorrow, then do the last.

What's to stop scum from watiting with their kill 'till after we lynch down to 3?

[ortolan]

the fact they have already made it today

[Raging Wishbone]

I was asking about the part on lynching once today, then "wait 'till the kill gets comitted tomorrow".

[Saunt Adelaus]

Start of Day 4

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Votecount

not voting:

5

:J-Scope, nyballosulgniirkps, Ortohoops, Raging Wishbone, Zaphod Beeblebrox,

while 5 are alive, 3 votes will lynch

[J-Scope]

Let's decide this lynch and if we still have a game with 4 people, we'll decide how to play it then. Zaphod is my top suspect, as I said in a previous post.

Vote: Zaphod Beeblebrox

[Raging Wishbone]

Vote Zaphod

. Nonparticipant on the Yos wagon and actively tried to throw attention elsewhere, and DGB's gone eerily quite here. I think we've no time to waste contemplating this,

Someone else, I think A&B, pointed out that Yos was the first one to release the AIM chats. That seemed to be the primary reason you voted Yos-Nuwen even though you felt you weren't ready. What had made you think it was a lie in the beginning?

Also you talked about how people had made elaborate fake chats in another game. What made you think Yos-Nuwen's chats were fakes? Was it the wording of something?

The argument you quoted was Walt's, so I can't answer your first question. Also, Walt voted for Yos before I had the time to catch up and find the AIM convo scummy. But yes, if I was the one to vote Yos, it'd be mainly due to the AIM exchange. As for the why, I explained this earlier if you care to look it up, but bascially there was a suspicious gap between two sentences both in timestamp and subject which indicated something was censored, and I didn't like how they kept talking about the town in third person and seemed to be coldly caulculating their odds of winning.

[Ortohoops]

I've re-read and I see no strong indications Zaphod are town, and there was the whole continuous defence of Yoswen which I saw in about five posts in a row.

Vote: Zaphod Beeblebrox

[Saunt Adelaus]

Votecount as of post 584

Zaphod Beeblebrox:

3

:J-Scope, Raging Wishbone, Ortohoops,

not voting:

2

: nyballosulgniirkps, Zaphod Beeblebrox,

while 5 are alive, 3 votes will lynch

Zaphod Beeblebrox, Townie, has been lynched.

[ortolan]

Deary.

[ortolan]

Two lynches is definitely not viable before the end of the action phase, we need to wait until the scum makes their final kill.

[nyballosulgniirkps]

Definitely not. Too great of a chance that the random twilight duration will throw us over the deadline. And even if not, enough people would need to be online and in agreement to make the second lynch happen.

[Raging Wishbone]

Two lynches is definitely not viable before the end of the action phase, we need to wait until the scum makes their final kill.

Again, why would they narrow the suspect pool for us by killing before we lynch?

I agree we won't get the speedlynching done on time, though. This mean's we've one lynch remaining, and we gotta decide on it before the end of the next phase to avoid the risk of a double scumkill.

orthoops is still obvtown imo, and Pesco-Light's interactio with Yos still strikes me as genuine. So I'm leaning J-Scope.

-RR

[J-Scope]

Exactly what about Pesco-Light's interaction with Yos is genuine? Why does "genuine" mean they are not likely scum with Yos?

Here's the distinction - the motivation behind breadcrumbing was a null tell (any power role has the motivation to crumb his or her results, regardless of alignment). As an independent body, nothing Incamn did made him/her more likely to be scum than town or town than scum.

Probability dictates that killing a random power role will hit scum more often than killing any other random player. This isn't a tell; it's a ratio observation independent of the crumbing itself.

Playing the setup isn't going to catch scum more effectively than solid scumhunting and I'm quite sure this is not unreasonable to expect from the experienced players in this game.

This was the only real interaction they had. It was the reason Pesco voted and it was their last post. I don't think it is a indication either way because they were not calling Yos scum, but they did place a vote so if they are partners they intended to distance early. We don't know what their true intention was because it never played out. Maybe they were hoping to withdraw the vote, but maybe not. At the time of the vote I think there was enough time and leeway to do either.

So I don't think Pesco-Light's actions make them much less likely to be scum. I think nyballs has looked pro-town, however, by getting to the root of who could be scum and why based on day 1's wagon.

I have to write up a case but I'm thinking I'd vote for RW over nyballs.

[ortolan]

I would go for J-Scope or RW for the lynch.

[Raging Wishbone]

Whatever we do next this is END game. We get one lynch and scum get one kill tomorrow, so, we have to be absoluelty correct on this lynch. Me and RR are kinda on the same page, although we do have a few slightly different thoughts. I went back through everyones posts in isolation; I'm still leaning on Hoops as being the most Townie (which everyone else seems to agree), I difer in my opinion with RR on Jscope and Nyballs... Going back through the posts the thing that stands out the most to me is the obvious train of thought. Scum don't need to debate whether or not they are going to get a townie killed they just need to get someone lynched. With Jscope, you can see the clear back and forth, you can see him trying to figure out who is scum and who is not. With Hoops to a lesser degree, although there were moments of let's just hang this guy, they overall have taken a very methodical approach to the game. NyBalls and Pesco Light do not give me that feeling near as much as the other two players.

I kinda agree with RR, that scum would not be in hurry to lynch anyone to reduce our suspect pool, unless it was Hoops. Now that scum have seen who we all are thinking of lynching and that most of the town thinks Hoops is obvtow, they may think they can go ahead and lynch... However I am gonna put an end to that right now.... We are TOWN and there is is once last gambit we can play, it's daytalk. Our daytalk will prove us town. RR and Apples and Bananas had a discussion about this earlier in the game, and was quoted the rules by Adel. They indicate if we do not discuss the other game, we are allowed to paste it. Also RR cant do screencaps on his puter, I can on mine. So my suggestion Hoops, NYBAlls, and Jscope, is we all post our daytalk with our partners and how we communicated.

Me and RR used three formats: MSN, pm here on MS and we have a QT entitled RagingWishbone, they have dates, times and everything. There are a few threads and convos that can not be shown because they contain talk of the other game, but the rest of it is clear as the light of day. This is gonna accomplish two things; first scum is going to have to show a clear line of discussion regarding this game and answer some of the comments they have made in this thread about conversations they have had with thier partner. Second; it now makes their next kill much harder because if both we and Hoops are obv town, they can't kills us both next action period.

So, although we have a bit of time, we do need to hurry so we dont reach the "following" action period allowing yet another kill. Again, looking though Yo/Nuwen aim conversation it was easy to tell it was fabricated. It was how we caught the scum in Lovers Multiball and I beleive it will be how we catch the scum in this game. I have to run out but I will have time tomorrow to do the screencaps. So please everyone let me know what you all think. Please let's hurry up and do this... Please let me know what you all were using to talk to your partner? and lets end this game quick.

[J-Scope]

There is nothing I can show because I haven't been playing with my partner (Kaleidoscope). I tried to exchange PM's and he had replied that he was sorry but couldn't keep up with the game.

Post 37 was the only post he made under "J-Scope". The rest was all me, Jahudo.

He had a few posts that he made on his own account but those were to say he wasn't reading, so I've just gone ahead and played solo.

[nyballosulgniirkps]

However I am gonna put an end to that right now.... We are TOWN and there is is once last gambit we can play, it's daytalk. Our daytalk will prove us town. RR and Apples and Bananas had a discussion about this earlier in the game, and was quoted the rules by Adel. They indicate if we do not discuss the other game, we are allowed to paste it. Also RR cant do screencaps on his puter, I can on mine. So my suggestion Hoops, NYBAlls, and Jscope, is we all post our daytalk with our partners and how we communicated.

Sadly, because we are a replacement, there has not been a substantial amount of interaction between my partner and myself. I'm willing to screenshot it though as long as there is no problem on the other end(I'm not willing to quote someone else without their permission), so I'll have to get back on that. I think it's a good idea, though.

[ortolan]

We will do it but it won't prove much because we will need to edit two out of seven posts to remove beta-related content.

[Saunt Adelaus]

Start of Day 5

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Votecount

not voting:

4

:J-Scope, nyballosulgniirkps, Ortohoops, Raging Wishbone,

while 4 are alive, 3 votes will lynch

[ortolan]

Now we play the waiting game...

[Raging Wishbone]

Now we play the waiting game...

Are you even reading my posts?

Real shame how we basically missed another safe lynch by, like, 12 hours.

Exactly what about Pesco-Light's interaction with Yos is genuine? Why does "genuine" mean they are not likely scum with Yos?

Here's the distinction - the motivation behind breadcrumbing was a null tell (any power role has the motivation to crumb his or her results, regardless of alignment). As an independent body, nothing Incamn did made him/her more likely to be scum than town or town than scum.

Probability dictates that killing a random power role will hit scum more often than killing any other random player. This isn't a tell; it's a ratio observation independent of the crumbing itself.

Playing the setup isn't going to catch scum more effectively than solid scumhunting and I'm quite sure this is not unreasonable to expect from the experienced players in this game.

This was the only real interaction they had. It was the reason Pesco voted and it was their last post. I don't think it is a indication either way because they were not calling Yos scum, but they did place a vote so if they are partners they intended to distance early. We don't know what their true intention was because it never played out. Maybe they were hoping to withdraw the vote, but maybe not. At the time of the vote I think there was enough time and leeway to do either.

So I don't think Pesco-Light's actions make them much less likely to be scum. I think nyballs has looked pro-town, however, by getting to the root of who could be scum and why based on day 1's wagon.

I have to write up a case but I'm thinking I'd vote for RW over nyballs.

Tthis post makes me wanna vote J-Scope right now. I really dislike how he tries to throw some dirt on nybasdjgsalxzgkasj so I'll be more likely to vote nyba over him, and several lines later claims to find him pro time anyways. This behavior is both indicative of his interest being only in self survival, and typical of Jahudo's play as scum (at least judging by the relatively recent Boost mafia). I'll wait for more discussion with Walt and everyone to post daytalk, though.

[Raging Wishbone]

Exactly what about Pesco-Light's interaction with Yos is genuine? Why does "genuine" mean they are not likely scum with Yos?

Here's the distinction - the motivation behind breadcrumbing was a null tell (any power role has the motivation to crumb his or her results, regardless of alignment). As an independent body, nothing Incamn did made him/her more likely to be scum than town or town than scum.

Probability dictates that killing a random power role will hit scum more often than killing any other random player. This isn't a tell; it's a ratio observation independent of the crumbing itself.

Playing the setup isn't going to catch scum more effectively than solid scumhunting and I'm quite sure this is not unreasonable to expect from the experienced players in this game.

This was the only real interaction they had. It was the reason Pesco voted and it was their last post. I don't think it is a indication either way because they were not calling Yos scum, but they did place a vote so if they are partners they intended to distance early. We don't know what their true intention was because it never played out. Maybe they were hoping to withdraw the vote, but maybe not. At the time of the vote I think there was enough time and leeway to do either.

So I don't think Pesco-Light's actions make them much less likely to be scum. I think nyballs has looked pro-town, however, by getting to the root of who could be scum and why based on day 1's wagon.

I have to write up a case but I'm thinking I'd vote for RW over nyballs.