Mini 808 - Rabbit Doubt Mafia: Over!

[PhilyEc]

/conforming

[PhilyEc]

Yo, we've gotta get Xofelf into one of these games some time.

[PhilyEc]

Yo, we've gotta get Xofelf into one of these games some time.

your girlfriend?

Sens' gf, my friends~ I think shes friends with KMD too.

[PhilyEc]

Thought she was your friend too O-o Nu?

[PhilyEc]

I'm so voting whoever called Mod "ZazieR" in our earlier dialogue, RVS rocks.

[PhilyEc]

Vote Myk

*glare*

[PhilyEc]

What we dont want to do is all get into the same room together. That'll make it harder to analyse who was in which room when someone gets Nk'd. Going on from there, I'm probably going to have to read the manga myself...

Is it called Rabbit Doubt or what? I remember reading the first chapter of it (its so creepy ._.)

[PhilyEc]

I'll read in a second, but the game is up and I have a non-random vote to make. That's right. No RVS for me.

btw, Hello KMD, Tenchi, Phily, nice to see you again!

and of course Looker. I hope will have fun this game (I promise I won't try too hard to get you lynched this time)

Vote Mykonian

. The only way you could make that promise is if you know Looker's alignment. The only way you know Looker's alignment is if you are scum. Myko is scum.

Lets keep him on the reserve list for suspects then? Play the game for now? With a setup like this scum slips are bound to occur.

[PhilyEc]

Looks like you're going to be sleeping on toilet-floor-slime KMD. I'll follow your lead though, this is interesting.

[PhilyEc] opens door number [7]

TIGER KNEE! *launches himself into the room Sagat style*

[PhilyEc] moves to [Room 7.]

[PhilyEc]

*looks around room and at the shattered broom that met its demise under Phily's knee* Ooooooh OwO

Double door people, double door!

[PhilyEc]

Uhm... just using the first and second letter then?

[PhilyEc]

Im guessing....your room was full of beeeees....and they made your tongue....swell. o-o

Anyways, fair enough, games gunna be a bitch for you now XD Put the actions into brackets for us at least. My action shall be the TigerKneer

[PhilyEc]

So refer to players the same way. Call us by what room we are in.

Agreed! Wait, hold on a sec. Are we yelling at eachother from different rooms?

Mod: Are we able to move in between rooms during Daytime? Like into the corridor and into the Men's Restroom whenever we want to during the day? Is KMD able to lock us out?

[PhilyEc]

@Battousai.

You came into the storage room to play skip rope? And you don't have a key? You do know how shady you've made yourself look right? I don't like the idea of someone who never got a key coming near the axes and ropes. I think you shouldn't stay in this room tonight. KMD, do you wanna keep watch over him together in the toilet tonight? (sounds so wrong)

@Tenchi.

What do you think of banning Battousai from the weapons (Room 7)? Think it would be good or bad for town? Oh and have you opened a door yet?

[PhilyEc]

- Somebody should probably lock the room with all the weapons as soon as possible. It seems like a place for the mafia to pick up abilities.

- Heck, we should lock all the rooms. So now, if somebody want's in on somewhere, they have to ask permission first. It prevents people from doing what Battousai has just done, and it leads to much more discussion, and with discussion: there might be some information.

- Did the mod just give us a hint that Myconian has turned into some sort of monster? I think so.

- There are locked doors behind locked doors! Let's slow down with the opening, since we probably don't have enough to open everything.

1) If I lock it now, I'll either lock myself inside with Battousai or else lock him in the room while I remain in the corridor. Battousai must leave my room >.<

2) Besides Battousai, I'd say everyone else will only want access to a room for night phase and lock the door from the inside. Now Im more curious as to what really motivated Battousai O_o Anyways agreed. For night phase Battousai should also not be allowed sleep in Room 7.

3) Where? The green on his votes? Its an indicator of who has the most votes on them.

4) Yeah could someone open the door inside my room please? I think it'll be good for town to explore rooms that have extra doors, added perks me thinks.

[PhilyEc]

4.) I meant mafiamann, and he claims it just caused a post restriction. Which is to be expected, seeing as the flavor text was oh so obvious. Remember that the comic had a wolf that only went active after an event.

I don't think where we sleep affects our night actions, since the mod did say that we would all sleep on an unlocked room.

Well you can go sleep in an unlocked room if you wanna, I'm definately locking my door tonight >_> No ones coming near the storage room <_<

[PhilyEc]

@Kreriov
Wait so, you'd have voted for whoever got the storage room? How does that make me scum? Sorry but if this was an actually issue someone would've brought it up ages ago.

I picked number 7 because its lucky. Quit reaching. +scum points

[PhilyEc]

@PhilyEc - stop mischaracterizing. In no way did I imply I voted for you merely because you opened the storage room. I voted for you because after saying you would follow KMDs lead (open the door corresponding to your number) you instead just happen to chose a door that just happens to enter the room with weapons in it. THAT is what I find suspicious. You joined Tenchi in jumping all over Battousai for merely entering the room. Should we not also suspect the guy who makes a lame excuse for picking that room to open in the first place?

Oh, I didnt know he was doing it by number. I just followed his lead by picking a door like he did. Thats what I meant by it. Are you sure he implied we were suppost to pick the door out number in Mod's list gave?
Anyway, thats my bad but KMD didn't seem to mind afterwards.

As for Tenchi's case. Do you not find it strange that Battousai has now entered my room? This gives him access to weapons afterall. I thought he brought up a good point to be honest. His excuse is that he wanted to skip rope for gods sake. Do you think he just randomly decided to enter the room with all the weapons or do you think there was a motivation?

You seem to think I knew what was behind the door, thats ridiculous. Its obvious why I picked the number 7. Who hasn't ever picked a lucky number when picking a door. You'll have to forgive an honest mistake though.

By the way, has everyone picked a door coinciding with their numbers on Page 1?

[PhilyEc]

@Kreriov
Wait so, you'd have voted for whoever got the storage room? How does that make me scum? Sorry but if this was an actually issue someone would've brought it up ages ago.

2) Besides Battousai, I'd say everyone else will only want access to a room for night phase and lock the door from the inside. Now Im more curious as to what really motivated Battousai O_o Anyways agreed. For night phase Battousai should also not be allowed sleep in Room 7.

Somebody is quite forgetful on what they really believe... :-p

No no, theres a difference here. I didnt know what room I was going into when I opened a door. Battousai knew exactly where he was going when he moved.

Two different motivations. I've explained why I picked 7, its a lucky number. Battousai's explaination is that he wanted to skip rope...

[PhilyEc]

Two different motivations. I've explained why I picked 7, its a lucky number. Battousai's explaination is that he wanted to skip rope...

WHO R U KIDDING? LOL!

VOTE: PhilyEc

(Both are crappy reasons and both are just mere EXCUSES just so you can stuff your noses in that room.)

I really dont see how I'm scum here. How did I know Room 7 had a storage locker? Crap Logic case you two.

[PhilyEc]

Hold up a sec. I didnt notice KMD wanted to organise who picks what doors. I went at a door as he did, that was what I meant by following his lead. Feigning ignorance? If I were scum and knew storage room was there, I wouldnt have gone for it RIGHT AFTER KMD pointed out what he wanted people to do concerning who picked which door.

[PhilyEc]

Hold up a sec. I didnt notice KMD wanted to organise who picks what doors. I went at a door as he did, that was what I meant by following his lead. Feigning ignorance? If I were scum and knew storage room was there, I wouldnt have gone for it RIGHT AFTER KMD pointed out what he wanted people to do concerning who picked which door.

So what is your real reason for going to that door?

Following KMD's lead?
Because it is lucky?
Or because you are one lying lying sneaky weaponless scum looking for weapons?

I went for A door because KMD has gone and I felt, okay lets check these bad boys out, knowing what to do then.
I picked THAT door because I had to pick one of them and 7's a lucky number.
I had no previous knowledge of what was behind door number 7. If I did I certainly wouldnt have gone for it the second doors were on the market.

Understand now? Because I'm trying to convey exactly what my thought process was. *Saw KMD open door* *Followed his lead by opening a door* *Door turns out to have evil instruments of destruction so I must be scum*

IF I was scum I'd have let whoever number 7 is open the door and done what Battousai did, run inside. (During twilight phase preferably) I'd also lie about having no key so i'd have an excuse for not picking my own door. Yes I'm fucking reflecting here because Im saying exactly what scum would do ¬¬

[PhilyEc]

Ok. I thought KMD was in Room number 7 and you just went into Room number 7.

My bad.

Vote: Battousai

Now I'm confused. You were accusing Battousai of coming into room 7 and voted him. You forgot and confused the situation with a situation of me going into Room 7 that KMD had opened?

[PhilyEc]

=_= so why does K still think I'm scum when I couldnt have known what was behind the door. Logic failure =_=

[PhilyEc]

I still have the dilemma that you clearly knew of KMDs proposed plan, said you would follow it, then did not follow it.

I didnt know his plan. I've explained that. Your posts are how I found out about it.

Either you did not follow it on purpose or you made a mistake. At best I said am leaning towards believing you made a mistake.

See, there you go. You got it right, I obviously didnt read his post, I skimmed it, being distracted by the fact that he opened up a room.

Now I have to try and figure out why you are continually trying to twist words and mischaracterize what I have said.

Show me where I did that. Bunch of quotes will do.

Basically, you are either lying or the victim of an unfortunate set of circumstances resulting from your mistake.

Option two. >_> I think my reaction is enough to believe me by, I hadnt a clue what you were talking about to begin with afterall.

[PhilyEc]

@PhilyEc - you would have been better served by not posting

From 121

I didnt know his plan. I've explained that. Your posts are how I found out about it.

From post 50

Looks like you're going to be sleeping on toilet-floor-slime KMD. I'll follow your lead though, this is interesting.

Care to revise your statement? Oh right, you say you skimmed KMDs post but didn't read it and yet you know all about the room KMD entered and were following his lead.

Yep. I skimmed his post seeing a movement and thinking, okay thats a movement post, then read about the room itself for some information. Thats wrong why? Have you never looked at a post and noticed the bold first? Thats what I did and then read about the room, being more interested in that then what else he said. Better served? I'll answer whatever you ask. I've got nothing to hide

Wait so, you'd have voted for whoever got the storage room?

I never said or even implied I would vote for whomever opened the storage room.

I explained I didnt even know what you were talking about to begin with in my earlier post. This is obviously the case here. I know now you suspect me for not doing as KMD said after I said i'd follow his lead.

=_= so why does K still think I'm scum when I couldnt have known what was behind the door. Logic failure =_=

Where did I say or agree that you couldn't have known what was behind the door? I have no idea if you did or did not know what was there. THAT is the problem.

Eh? Then anyone who went for that door would be your suspect too? When obviously I picked a random door?

Now, are you going to actually allow others to read and discuss this or keep digging your hole?[/quote]

Theres no fucking hole. Theres a crap logic case from you where you're accepting your own assumptions above my answers even after I answer them.

[PhilyEc]

Does anyone else see that my interogater is telling me not to answer? You keep saying I shouldnt have answered after making posts directly towards me. You want your case to go undefended? You want to appear completely in the right or something? Go to hell

Dude, I'm done answering your questions. You're just accepting your own opinions above any answers I give. You seem to be the only persons so far that doesnt get that it was an honest mistake.

[PhilyEc]

Nah, that would be too obvious. It would be better to go to it when everyone thinks you have no idea what it is.

Phily, would you be willing to sleep in room 10 tonight?

Sure, Ill go check whos in there [opens new tab] ... Ew.

He has a valid point. You didn't actually "follow my lead" like you said you were. And you got the weapons room instead of an empty room in doing so.

Because I followed your lead by opening a door, I hadn't read your room by order thingy but I did see your movement in big bold letter. Excitied, I followed your lead and opened A door too.

[PhilyEc]

Dude, I'm done answering your questions. You're just accepting your own opinions above any answers I give. You seem to be the only persons so far that doesnt get that it was an honest mistake.

You should have answer immediately, truthfully, and without the mischaracterizations. You did not.

You got some sort of lie detector rigged buddy? Its on the fritz. I've been overly honest. I have nothing to hide. I've made clear the thought process I made during the event and still you cling to the notion that I used the word 'lead'. It seems generally accepted by most players that I simply made a mistake.

Now then, since Battousai has left my room;

PhilyEc moves to Corridor

(moving out of room 7)

PhilyEc locks Room 7 from the outside

PhilyEc bangs on Room 10's door

Hmm, closed. Convieniant.

[PhilyEc]

PhilyEc locks Room 7 from the outside

I doubt that this will resolve as you seem to think it will:

doors can only be closed from the inside.

I believe "closing" and "locking" are synonymous. To keep your room secure, you have to hide out in it.

Then the rooms gunna be accessible by everyone tonight if I dont lock it from the inside...since I have as much access to weapons tonight ill be fine with guarding them by locking out the rest of the group <_<

Anyone have a better idea? Oh and someone open the door in the storage room, I'm getting way too curious for my own good...

PhilyEc opens Door 7

*automatic entrance as Mod pointed out earlier*

PhilyEc closes Door 7

I'm inside alone now >_>

[PhilyEc]

I don't think they can open the storage room door while you have the storage room door itself locked.

I know, I'm just making sure the doors closed until someone offers to check out that door in the storage room.

[PhilyEc]

Could someone tell me why there are 4 people in the library?

[PhilyEc]

@PhilyEc - Read the thread. Based on the manga, the cop needs to be in the library to conduct his investigation. PaperPenguin suggested that IF this were true, the cop might be hesitant to go into the Library alone as this would be a tell. In order to possibly help cover the cop, he suggested that multiple people go into the library. Yeah, its all speculation, but what the hell. I don't see how it can hurt.

Ah right, I thought that would have been in the cops PM, and him announcing that would just reveal the cop, I suppose thats a good backup if the cop infact never received information telling him he had to use the library to activate his powers Thanks Kreriov

[PhilyEc]

Vote: Tenchi

You could have voted me in the first post instead of asking a rhetorical question. This implies to me that you were trying to get me to say something in which you could infer that I have a powerrole.

Doesnt look like hes rolefishing to me man, care to explain?

[PhilyEc]

@MafiaMann - Batt really does have a good point, actually. It really does seem like Tenchi was looking for an excuse to vote Batt. I couple that with him then jumping wagons to vote PhilyEc then back to Batt, and it really seems like Tenchi is happy to just be voting someone, anyone.

Vote: Tenchi

I completely agree with you for once, Tenchi didnt ever want answers, he wanted a reason to vote for Batt and continue to pressure him. Tenchi you do realise how scummy that looks right? Why did you even ask Batt rhetorical questions if you'd already made up your mind on him?

[PhilyEc]

Honestly I just wanted the rope to jump with, lol. The other rooms had nothing in it, smelled awful, or was completely dark. The room I went into was more interesting. Besides, wouldn't I already have an evil bunny mask if I was the wolf? Otherwise you would already know I was a wolf. Maybe I'm a vig and wanted a weapon for my powerrole. If your theory is true about the scum having to find that room then it is possible that I am a vig. Not saying I am and not saying I'm not.

my point being is that Battousai should have not entered Room 7

Battousai kinda deflected the actual topic, changing it to the way Tenchi approached him...Battousai, thinks Tenchi is scum for how he interogated him? Its a clear OMGUS looking at things again..

Unvote

Vote Battousai

[PhilyEc]

@Looker - I have no idea how night moves work. Others, not I, have speculated that closed doors do not hinder scum, which seems to be the case from the limited manga I have seen. As for the idea of moving into rooms to cover a power role who many need to move into a room to function, that was PaperPenguin's idea and one I consider a good one.

Finally, as to Tenchi jumping wagons, yes, I consider it baseless. It really seems to me he jumped onto PhilyEc's wagon as soon as he could but then when it seemed like I was going to accept PhilyEc's explanation that it was a mistake choosing room 7 instead of room 10, he basically came up with a lame excuse to jump back to Batt. I am not saying the case against Batt is bad, it just seems more like opportunism to me on Tenchi's part.

How is it opportunism when hes the only one on Batt's back? Its a dodgy move on Batt's part and Batt has done nothing to help explain, rather hes being indirect.

[PhilyEc]

29* During the night, you’ll stay at the room you have last moved to during the day, with the exceptions of possible night actions.

So there's no need to all go to the library. Power roles can move at night.

Also, why are we assuming that there is a cop?

And why are Myko and Tenchi both still alive?

Myko was being his generally friendly self and Tenchi thought you opened Room 7? Do you think Tenchi is lying?

[PhilyEc]

Ok. I thought KMD was in Room number 7 and you just went into Room number 7.

My bad.

Vote: Battousai

^ That

[PhilyEc]

Oh. Yeah. Forgot about that.

I'm more concerned with the way Tenchi went after Batt. Looked too easy and forced.

Kind of a "Oh, look. Something weird happened. I'm gonna jump on this now."

Well, we gotta start somewhere.

You can at least give me props for getting discussion started, especially with relation to the rooms. :-p

But if Battousai could enter the room during Night Phase (like kmd pointed out) why would he do you now of all times? I'd like your opinion on that.

[PhilyEc]

No, you are scummy for "noticing" crap. Batt's play wasn't scummy. Just different.

So you believe Batt's excuse and dont believe Tenchi made a mistake about me?

[PhilyEc]

Oh. Yeah. Forgot about that.

I'm more concerned with the way Tenchi went after Batt. Looked too easy and forced.

^ I wasnt sure what you were thinking about Tenchi's grilling of me in that post.

Also, Batt's excuse for entering Room 7 is that he wanted to skip rope. I can understand someone being random but theres alot more appropriate places to act randomly than in a game where scum will be sneaking around rooms with the intension to create havoc. Room 7 is also the worst possible place to 'randomly walk into' so why the hell should we believe that he was just feeling random? It seems like a really bad excuse >.>

[PhilyEc]

So from my previous post, if you feel my previous post is right and I am assuming you do for this question since you did not saying anything contrary, that means the only possibly explanation would be that you are assuming scum or vig need to go to that room. Is that right PhilyEc?

Well to do that you'd have to be unaware of the rules. You couldve gotten your items by night if we simply assume your role required you to get into that room..

I'm seeing the move as random more and more now, I think you went in there just being playful ._. Dont do that anyway, if you aren't scum you're taking attention away from more appropriate suspects. You admit it was a bad move right?

[PhilyEc]

Oh and

unvote

[PhilyEc]

please check what you are assuming with these questions.

a. the mod gave scum what is in which room.
b. phily is stupid because he doesn't directly go for his room, but talks first.

I think this solely makes your case unbelievable.

Tenchi didn't realise I was in the room because I opened the door, at the time he thought KMD opened the door & that me and Batt skipped on inside.

[PhilyEc]

PhilyEc moves to Corridor
PhilyEc moves to Room 3
PhilyEc moves to Corridor
PhilyEc moves to Room 9
PhilyEc moves to Corridor
PhilyEc moves to Room 12 but smacks his face off the door.

ow.. Also, I like Ztife's suggestions. For Night Phase we'll all have to get into groups of three thus using 4 rooms. Any suggestions on which rooms they should be?

Note: Room 7 is open to anyone now

[PhilyEc]

For Night Phase we'll all have to get into groups of three thus using 4 rooms. Any suggestions on which rooms they should be?

Note: Room 7 is open to anyone now

I agree with the spirit of Ztife's suggestion, too, but are you (and Ztife) implicitly promoting NL today?

Oh, I forgot about that. We'll be going into Night Phase with 11 people
How bout 3 groups of 3 and then most pro town with 2nd most scummy?

[PhilyEc]

PhilyEc opens door 7
PhilyEc moves to Corridor
PhilyEc moves to Room 3
PhilyEc moves to Corridor
PhilyEc moves to Room 9
PhilyEc moves to Corridor
PhilyEc moves to Room 12 but smacks his face off the door.

That better?

[PhilyEc]

Mod: Are we able to chop off body parts from dead members? Does the axe make this possible?

[PhilyEc]

11 players going into night phase on Day One.

I suggest the following trios. IF someone gets lynched then one trio becomes a pair.

Room 1

1) Kmd4390
2) mykonian
3) Bitchibee Wolf

Room 12

4) Ztife
5) Looker
6) Iecerint

Room 9

7) MafiaMann
8) Kreriov
9) Tenchi

Room 7

10) PhilyEc
11) Battousai
12) PaperPenguin

@All: This okay or is anything wrong with that setup?

[PhilyEc]

@Phily: What was your rationale for making those trios (why group person A with Person B and C, etc.)?

I think it was based on speculation from Ztife that we might receive notices that a roommate left the room during the night.

This ^

I agree with Ztifes opinion on how we should approach nightphase.

How were these trios chosen?

Directly from mod's player list. I just put each 3 players into a room one of them had access to.

[PhilyEc]

unvote vote KMD mostly gut, but this play just points at him being scum. It is not a big difference, but as town he would never semi lurk this way, tunneling till over page 10 on a pregame post.

^OMGUS

You had far more stuff to vote for Tenchi then went to voting for KMD mainly on gut feeling. I'd say its more likely its because he suspected you so early on.

Fos

[PhilyEc]

unvote vote KMD mostly gut, but this play just points at him being scum. It is not a big difference, but as town he would never semi lurk this way, tunneling till over page 10 on a pregame post.

^OMGUS

You had far more stuff to vote for Tenchi then went to voting for KMD mainly on gut feeling. I'd say its more likely its because he suspected you so early on.

Fos

you are actually right. I say KMD's vote sucks, and that he is scum for it. but I think I explained, reasoned why it sucked, and that a tell like OMGUS (an unreasoned countervote) should not be used here. It is not applied correctly.

Kmd's first vote did suck, but so did your reaction to it (albeit delayed) I dont like how you face your opposition rather than Tenchi who you were willing to vote for within the same post you had earlier made thereafter unvoting and voting KMD.

[PhilyEc]

Vote Myk

I dont think hes playing honestly at the moment. His analysis is purely why I vote for him. I think Tenchi has been having dodgy also upon reading how concise Batt has played, yes instead Myk expresses this scumminess then moves onto a gut feeling.

His excuse is that hes laid out why KMD is more scum, I dont agree with him one bit.

[PhilyEc]

Only prodding Bitchibee to check if she''s actually replacing >.<

Neh heh...

[PhilyEc]

Tenchi is a player that tends to play with fire, like he does here. His things he said were scummy, but he took risks, something I consider town.

KMD does exactly the opposite. Tries not to stand out, but still be here. Brings little new, doesnt lead the game, like he likes to. Scummy behaviour for certain.

Phily: you are looking too much at prove, not at motivations. A player that takes risks, and stands out, is per definition more town. Check the meta on this site.

The only risky behaviour I've seen has been scummy. You can say Tenchi is town for putting his neck out on the line after attacking both me and Batt but in truth his approach was scummy. Scum do attack people, scum also bus. From what I've seen you condone Tenchi's actions but go on to say its too risky to be scummy using the same line to defend yourself. You condone Tenchi's actions enough to VOTE him but then move onto KMD therefore meaning that your gut feeling is stronger than the reasons you had for earlier voting Tenchi. It looks like scum bus no matter what light you shed on it.

Scum attack in plenty of games Myk, they take on the risks that are involved when guiding town into mislynches. Your defense is that you and Tenchi are both soooo risk taking that you can't be scum, that isn't something I agree with one bit.

[PhilyEc]

The way I saw your double vote post Myk. You displayed suspicion on two players then went with one for far less reason than the other. You voted Tenchi then in the same post unvoted and voted KMD. It looks like you're preparing a defense when a Tenchi lynch comes up. I suspect you of pre-busing a partner in order to distance because of your voting pattern. Your replies chain you two together, not my post. My post highlights how you're saying both you and him are town for taking on so many risks.

Do you or do you not suspect him?

[PhilyEc]

Technically, Myko is right. He pointed suspicion on Tenchi, but voted me. What Myko is doing in regards to Tenchi is distancing, not bussing.

Point taken, I was addressing his vote on Tenchi as a vote on a partner, I assumed this is busing but it is infact distancing because he didnt let the vote stand.

[PhilyEc]

What KMD did on page 12 is so un-KMD, and while it is only one post, it is rather clear.

PFFFFFFFT. Thats a terrible excuse.

Further, contrary to other games with him, I have trouble to remember what he said. He doesn't stand out. This is an added thing, that doesn't fit in his normal play.

I think hes playing fine, maybe not as active but hes not playing that cautious a game at all. Where do you see your risk-taking being greater than his? How is risk taking townie?!

Phily, why do I hear so little about KMD from you, and so much Tenchi-bashing?

Because KMD has done nothing scummy in my opinion? Dear god man its obvious I dont agree with your reason behind voting for KMD (ie hes so un-KMD)

I do suspect him, tenchi has been second scummiest for a whole time, but you are doing a lot to make you look like KMD's buddy, defending him by attacking Tenchi. Please review what you are saying, as I'm certain that is not what you try to do.

I dont need to read over my posts, call it whatever you like your point is dumb. I've contributed my honest opinion about your voting pattern yet now you go on to accuse me of buddying to KMD? Just because I think your excuse for your vote is bullcrap? No no, I think you're reaching for excuses now that you realise your grounding his coming apart. I'm happy as to where my vote is. Instead of telling me to re-read my posts how bout you try coming up with better excuses for your actions?

[PhilyEc]

^ *likes how Iecerint doesnt only concentrate on the topic at hand*

[PhilyEc]

Myko- please answer my request:


Tell me what Tenchi has done that is so risky, that scum would not do it.

Tenchi was IIRC the first to come with hard accusations, that were likely wrong. That is a town tell.

but like Iece said: a towntell doesn't make him definate town. Just more likely then he would be without it.

I'm getting a bit more uncertain about my KMD vote, although his recent theories dont help, but Phily's buddying gets so obvious...

unvote vote Phily

I think you should not tunnel on tenchi, and not use tenchi as leverage to defend KMD.

^ Another OMGUS
I've barely talked directly about Tenchi. I dont see where I've tunneled, besides having to mention his name to explain why your accusations in that double vote post are scummy.

Myk, why is everyone who suspects you scum? I'm obviously attacking you for your scummy behaviour, as I see fit to do whenever something dodgy comes up, the fact that KMD is involved has made you paranoid over the fact that I'm 'buddying' with him seeing as how you suspect him. I think you're infact wrong. He isnt trying to hide, hes not playing a cautious game here (ie not risk taking) and his posts have been far more substantive than your own, the fact that you vote for him under these pretences is what I consider scummy.

You turning around a voting for me for not agreeing with you also tells me you're cracking under pressure, I'd advise you stop fabricating facts and answer some of the questions posted to you besides from myself.

[PhilyEc]

no, bat, I said it before about Phily. I think it is fishy he actually doesn't say a thing about KMD, while he is accusing me for voting KMD.

and scum and town would go into the storage room, so I don't think that a good scumtell, while Tenchi did try to get the game really started that way.

and I did vote Phily, and I "coached" him. That is a way of expressing my theories about what he is doing here. I can't see how it is sneaky in some way.

o and phily, you again got the term OMGUS wrong. It is a reasonless countervote, something I again didn't do.

Your case against me is that I dont agree with you one bit. I think the spotlight should be on you right now so using deflections over me not talking about KMD isnt a case.

You've fabricated a case in order to vote for me, first came the need to vote for me then came the motive (after thinking one up). Its a blatant OMGUS and you suck for even trying to squirm your way out of that fact.

[PhilyEc]

So now KMD isnt scum and I am? GTFO Myk, right now:twisted:

[PhilyEc]

Myk, I've said it so many times now, IM ATTACKING YOU.

You've made a scummy move distancing from Tenchi and voting for KMD through gut feeling, would you ever stop trying to drag away from that fact. You've turned my attack on you into a case of defense through no explanation besides speculating that I'm trying to buddy with KMD.

I see you as scum for how you are playing, I dont see you as scum because I want a hug from Tenchi or KMD, give it over would you and show some sense of logic here, you're starting to resemble a brick wall.

Me, Attacking Myk for double votes, Myk, using this as excuse to accuse me of buddying to save his own hide.
Got it now?

[PhilyEc]

Sorry I see my name being mentioned alot but I dont have the time to look for when it was first mentioned can someone please help me.

If you're V/LA till the 7th then you should address these issues when you actually have the time to. I'm sure no one would mind highlighting their questions or rephrasing them.

[PhilyEc]

Me, Attacking Myk for double votes, Myk, using this as excuse to accuse me of buddying to save his own hide.
Got it now?

Can't a man have two suspects, and like one better.

what I hate, is that you disagree with my choice and then actively try to change that, to move my vote from KMD to Tenchi. I've been very clear why I believed KMD more scum then Tenchi, and why tenchi was second choice because of that.

What I hate is the fact that you never once addressed my arguement correctly so save your own hide. Its not one bit town and shows you dont want to tackle the subject directly but rather deflect my accusations and turn them into a case worthy of a vote. That is essentially what you've done and it screams scummy to me. Read back over your posts and see how defensive you got rather than addressing the issue properly. You painted it a different colour and then addressed this colour as scum tendancy. ITS BULL.

I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your post, its meaningless prattle. I'm basically talking to a brick wall. Batt seems to agree here, I've not seen KMD nor Iece (Satan) comment on my attacks either. Do you not see how out of thin air your case is?

I apologise for my tone but this is getting ridiculous now, I want others to give a more substansive opinion over this arguement. Maybe that'll draw some sense into this dispute.

[PhilyEc]

What I hate is the fact that you never once addressed my arguement correctly so save your own hide.

just in case we are two townies bashing heads, could you provide the arguement in a way that I cant miss it, so I can try to react appropriately.

because even as scum I don't go around arguments, so it is always a mistake.

Read back its all there, its down to if you're willing to understand I down have ownership over your thoughts. I'm pretty pissed off at the moment for other reasons so I'm not going to bother tonight man, sorry.

[PhilyEc]

Batt seems to agree here, I've not seen KMD nor Iece comment on my attacks either.

Phily, if I recall correctly, your case against myko is based mostly on the doublevote post, though you think his response to your pressure has also been scummy. If that's accurate, I don't think I find the argument convincing. I'm pretty sure myko had been promising a catching-up post for awhile, so I think it's reasonable that he'd make a write-as-you-read post that included a doublevote.

Also consider the fact that he admits hes choosen KMD mostly for gut feeling after making enough reason for himself to vote Tenchi. The constrast between these two choices makes one think hes just stretching and truely only opposes KMD because KMD opposed him. Now look at how hes reacted to me, in the exact same fashion.

^ This is a summary of my reason for pressing myself so hard on Myk.

Moreover, I think myko has done a better job than you of avoiding the appearance of tunneling.

Have you not noticed I've been argueing with him this entire time about the same thing? How is it tunneling when its all down to the same problem which cannot be ironed out if he is infact lying like I suspect him to be?

[PhilyEc]

@PhilyEc - I, too, would like to see a summary of your case against Myko. Yes, you have been pursuing it for pages now, but it essentially seems to boil down to you don't like him voting twice in one post and that you believe his vote on you was OMAGUS.

Also consider the fact that he admits hes choosen KMD mostly for gut feeling after making enough reason for himself to vote Tenchi. The constrast between these two choices makes one think hes just stretching and truely only opposes KMD because KMD opposed him. Now look at how hes reacted to me, in the exact same fashion.

^ This is a summary of my reason for pressing myself so hard on Myk.

Yes, and that is scummy. His reaction is the same as when KMD pressed into him which was OMGUS. I pressed into him show displaying more fact and reason on his second choice and instead attacking someone who suspects him back, this isnt town play.

How could I be any clearer as to why hes been acting scummy at this point? Why dont you post your opinion rather than piggybacking? It seems like you're fishing for a good point to use.

[PhilyEc]

All that can make you unvote is a glass of water

You like to say this phrase a lot... I don't see how drinking a glass of water would make someone calm down.

the point is that he should calm down. If he does that by running a marathon I dont mind. Just to keep saying he should calm down is acting like his mother, and saying that he should run a marathon is rather weird.

I was pissed off due to personal matters, it just happened to manifest itself within the tone of my previous posts. I do consider Myk scummy for his actions and I like how town is being cautious with this case, it tells me scum arent going to leap all over it. I notice wagons that build up more slowly are usually more town orientated/good willed. If a wagon doesnt build up at all I'm willing to move on, though IGMEOY Myk. Perhaps I'm being paranoid but I truely think you've made one terrible slip in that double vote post.

[PhilyEc]

Hey all, I was having some sign in problems, had to bother Mith about the issue via Haylen, needless to say the problems fixed.

I'll be re-reading the game and hopefully posting soon.

[PhilyEc]

Sorry, two ongoing games have become major headaches, I'll be taking my time re-reading since I'm pretty headfucked at the moment.

[PhilyEc]

I want to be addressed as O Magnificent One by Mafiamann.

[PhilyEc]

So far the only risk you have stated is that he attacked me with bad reasoning. Also, Tenchi wagon is the second wagon as I was technically the first person to act and he tried to form a wagon on me.

but I hope you get the point where I think I get that feeling from. Tenchis mistakes were the reason he was attacked, but mistakes are going to be made if you try to create something out of nothing, something Tenchi tried.

Most of the cases so far seem to failed to stick onto other players minds, the 6 non-voters prove no ones really sure whos who at the moment, I think some people are holding back on their suspicions at the moment due to the amount of content provided compared to lack of votes. I'd like to see suspect lists from people not voting so I know where players stand in this game.

[PhilyEc]

Okay I'm seeing alot of patting on eachothers backs for cases and even more contradictions, some making little sense (ie Kre finding Kmd scum for bad cases on people he thinks are scum).

Has a deadline been set though? I looks like many view the same people as scummy but dont want to agree with eachother because they suspect those people too.

@Looker,
I've just realised that I've not heard much opinionation from you, who do you suspect yourself and why?
@All,
Who would you be willing to see lynched today and why? (assume you control the hammer)

[PhilyEc]

ztife would be the "save" lynch for me (in case everything fails), where I expect this to be Tenchi from the rest. I am against a tenchi lynch.

I rather have KMD, or Kreviov at the moment. I think. Need a reread (and sleep), but that should be the general way I'm thinking. I don't want phily anymore.

You dont want me? </3

On a serious note, whats dispelled your doubts upon Tenchi? You were willing to vote for him earlier..

[PhilyEc]

I hate how people go around discarding cases and calling other people's cases weak. Its lame.

[PhilyEc]

Hey folks, I'm still here, been inactive for the last two days due to the new iMac I've gotten. I'll be reading over new text, just posting to explain why I've been less talky talky.

[PhilyEc]

I hate how people go around discarding cases and calling other people's cases weak. Its lame.

true, but I'm not saying it to offend myko, I'm saying it because I think they are distancing with this. Making such cases against eachother, that are too weak to lynch someone, but make clear they want eachother dead. At least, that is what I think.

one problem I have with this whole theory is that he agrees that KMD's case is weak, and kept too long, but he disagrees with voting for that. It is kind of the main piece of my case against KMD.

Wait, are you saying I should vote for KMD because he had a weak case? I made it clear he had a weak vote, both of you did for eachother. Him for voting for you for apparent buddying at the beginning and you for voting for him for basically voting for you. The main piece of you case against KMD is that hes got a poor case on you?? Srsly??? Thats like...a weak case of its own, lol.

[PhilyEc]

it is not a lot, but I would expect more active hunting from KMD. His voting suggest more waiting scum.

And no, this is not a great case, but one I would like to go for.

vote KMD

Hmm you do this right after Krev votes for KMD. From what I'm seeing of you Myk, you're using gut feeling to get away from the fact that most of your accusations towards KMD are unfounded. I don't see any effort from you to weedle out answers from him and basically scumhunt, rather you're just waiting for a good opportunity, which strangely enough is what you accuse KMD of. Could you explain why you want to see KMD lynched so badly? I'd like a bunch of reasons that arent too abstract.

[PhilyEc]

It's only a lie if Kmd is scum. Otherwise, it's just a bad guess.

and who do you want to lynch.

same for phily: please be constructive. You said yourself you hated people that went around calling other peoples cases bad. Please pick out the best one, so we don't have to go to fast for a lynch.

Be constructive? I am IMO, I'm question your credibility at the moment and your answers to my questions make me pretty sure you're just going to continue bullshitting your way out of this mess. You're now accusing KMD of not scumhunting yet I've seen plenty of effort from him to figure out who scum are More unfounded accusations dude. (FYI I think Mastin sees this as well, looking at his reactions)

[PhilyEc]

Phily: could you stop defending KMD? You continue to do it. And could you stop tunneling? Less bullshit please, more finding scum. Because your only case is that my case on KMD sucks, something you called bad yourself.

Eh? Would you stop breezing my attacks on you as that? I obviously think you're scum and I think you're the one talking bullshit, I've made this clear. The fact that you dont address my posts and simply ask me to leave you alone confirm that you dont want to directly confront my accusations.

You're playing scummy, you're making cheap accusations without backing up your statements with proof and you're completely dead set on mirroring your own mistakes onto other people. I think you're scum because of your gameplay

throughout

this game. You think this is madness? Then why do a majority of the town seem to agree your actions have been scummy? Myk, you're either in denial or else just continuing to ignore the problems I have with your approach on this game.

I pressure you, and you tell me I'm not scumhunting. Problem is, I think you're one of the scum in this game.

[PhilyEc]

I obviously think you're scum and I think you're the one talking bullshit, I've made this clear.

and since all I say is bullshit anyway, you don't have to listen to me. great tunneling, and you got your mislynch. Phily, hunt more scum, and tunnel less. Maybe you listen to me after you have seen my allignment. Or you are just scum.

Maybe if you had been defending and explaining rather than deflection and insulting other people's gameplay I'd have something to believe you on. From the moment I've been pressuring you, you've just been wriggling like a worm, not the most helpful reaction towards clearing your name but then again shows where your motivations are coming from.

[PhilyEc]

Why would you not vote for someone you're willing to hammer?

[PhilyEc]

EBWOP: Willing to see lynched*

[PhilyEc]

you've just been wriggling like a worm, not the most helpful reaction towards clearing your name but then again shows where your motivations are coming from.

you are a worm yourself...

and since you are wrong, please tell me what happens after that. Tomorrow, what will happen after you see that I'm town?

More fucking deflections. Instead of mimicing everything I saw everytime, perhaps you could actually prove your town without having to say "You'll see you're wrong after you lynch me", thats just fear mongering.

[PhilyEc]

say* -.-

[PhilyEc]

I see Ice & Batt as townie, KMD I like who you see as town but why do you see me as scummy specifically? Because I was first vote on the wagon? I'd look at the other votes more closely to seek out opportunists. Mafiamann's attempt at hammer, failure then only unvote seems like rather obvious scum tactics to me. DJ's hammer came out of nowhere, I'd go for a lynch of him as much as MafiaMann though lately my scumdars been wonky, willing to listen this time. (Yes I was convinced yesterday.)

[PhilyEc]

Hold on, Greg, you think hes scum because you believe hes lying about a post restriction? I highly doubt hes lying given the stress he originally displayed when having to curve around this obstacle. Dark room has me thinking it effected him, which seems to be the case. What else has he done besides allegedly lying?

[PhilyEc]

Hold on, Greg, you think hes scum because you believe hes lying about a post restriction? I highly doubt hes lying given the stress he originally displayed when having to curve around this obstacle. Dark room has me thinking it effected him, which seems to be the case. What else has he done besides allegedly lying?

why would he lie about this? I'm not really sure he's lying, so I don't vote him yet. and no, I haven't see the stress when he would be dealing with his obstacle.

btw, do you think Mafiaman has contributed a lot in this game?

I dont think hes done much for town at all. Then again hes been lurking alot, the posts that hes made show little effort to scumhunt, and rather contain very little content. Whats your read on him anyhow?

[PhilyEc]

Faulty logic is a scum tell, depending on the repercussion of said logic. How could you have gut on someone who made only a couple of posts?

Someone reaching to make a point that if they attempted to make honestly, they'd look wrong. Basically, you can't tell the difference from a liar and a fool, still this is just like any other scumtell.

[PhilyEc]

Mastin, don't tell other players that your predecessor seemed town, thats for them to decide.

Batt, why are you so against Mastin thinking Mole is protown for his actions? Do you get null-tells from Mole?

[PhilyEc]

Mastin, am I really the kind of player who would call my scumbuddy obvtown?

I'm hating this more and more.

[PhilyEc]

Molest, this avatar actually didn't come from a bet.

Guys, what is the case on Molest?

nothing much, only the scummy behaviour of mafiaman, I think. Molest himself seems pretty clean to me.

Possibly calling a truce due to the fact that Mole's posts are far more solid. Did recent posts erase your suspicions of Mole, Greg?

@Tenchi - Gratz on your new job man and thank you for considering us even during the commotion.

[PhilyEc]

Mastin, am I really the kind of player who would call my scumbuddy obvtown?

I'm hating this more and more.

Because I'm using WIFOM? [/quote]

Its like a hybrid of meta and WIFOM xD

[PhilyEc]

Myko had a catch-up post where he listed his suspicions as he went along. As a result, he voted for two different players in the post. Phily argued that the post was scummy because he thought the evidence against the second-voted player was weaker than that against the first. It was the first "scummy" myko action apart from the RVS thing Kmd stuck with early on IIRC.

I still think Myko's own need to self preserve blind sighted him from the fact that he had way more evidence on Tenchi and only quickly curbed his vote onto KMD in the end. I pressured Myk on this as he wasn't being consistent and to me it was obvious he was only voting for KMD because KMD saw him as scummy. (Phily's point of view)

@Batt- We can all agree that Myk was definately deserving of the accusations made upon him, I also remember that I attacked him for this before there was any sort of prospect of a lynch on him, thus why would I be 'reaching' at this point? It doesnt add up to me, Batt. I couldnt have predicted the later gameplay Myk would make. I could just WIFOM here but rather, I think the fact that I approached Myk about this before he had any sort of prospect towards being lynched on him means there wasn't a reach for suspecting him. If I had done this at L-3 then yeah, far more reason to think of it as reaching, but I was legit with my suspicion.

[PhilyEc]

Philey- It is reaching because you turned something null into something scummy and blew it out of proportion.

Have you re-read my posts from back then? I don't see how it wasn't something worth pressuring him over. I could pressure a player over anything they say for an insight into their tactics afterall. I wen't heavy on the attack yeah, but dude, he screamed scum, I felt my pressure was well placed.

[PhilyEc]

Philey- It is reaching because you turned something null into something scummy and blew it out of proportion.

Have you re-read my posts from back then? I don't see how it wasn't something worth pressuring him over. I could pressure a player over anything they say for an insight into their tactics after all. I went heavy on the attack yeah, but dude, he screamed scum, I felt my pressure was well placed.

He screamed scum because he voted for KMD over Tenchi? He screamed scum because he thought KMD was scum for voting him for pregame talk, tunneling, and semi-lurking? He screamed scum because he found Tenchi scummy enough to vote, but not as scummy as KMD? Would you even had brought this up if he just SFOS: Tenchi instead of voting him?

He screamed scum throughout Day One (apologies, I should've been more specific). The double vote post merely tickled me the wrong was, and was far more revealing than anything else that had happened in the game. (e.g. Tenchi case to me, seemed to be getting pushed along, it wasn't strong, Krev looks town thinking about it)

As I remember, Myk was the one pregame talking. He buddied at the beginning, earning him KMD's suspicion. KMD tunneled? Was Myk correct in saying this in your opinion? Also, I don't think semi-lurking is something one should even look over... lurking isnt much of a tell so half of that is something to lynch someone over? Myk was reaching the entire time because he really had nothing to go on. Perhaps if he admitted this and was more open with town, we'd not have in turn fucked up too.

I most likey wouldn't have noticed it had he SFOS'd. The double vote made me compare the two cases. Myk had way more opinionated tries over Tenchi. I also didn't like the reaching for an excuse to vote KMD. I think he was being blindsighted by some sort of need to get KMD off his back.

(That post is a bit messy, if I didnt asnwer something you wanted me to, feel free to ask agains *off to eat foodz*)

[PhilyEc]

Myk was reaching the entire time because he really had nothing to go on. Perhaps if he admitted this and was more open with town, we'd not have in turn fucked up too.

So do you think myk's lynch was all myk's fault?

There was a reason we lynched him. He plays scummy as town apparently and proved this very well within his reach-logic and frantic answers (pleas to emotion quite frequent).

[PhilyEc]

Ouch, sorry I've not been active the last week guys, I've been enjoying the end of summer to be honest..

I'll be reading over new content and posting my opinions.

[PhilyEc]

You mean

who

should be lynched...


I really don't see much of a case against Gregory, so by default- Don_Johnson.

^ This. Greg's initial play is far more enlightening than his current, but I do agree.

[PhilyEc]

I don't think Phily was scummy to investigate the doublevote post, but his continued attack may be a little suspicious. On the other hand, a) we already saw him be volatile when Kre asked about his play deviation early on, so it may be null for him, and b) myko's defense could've been better, too, as I think Phily has since pointed out.

FoS: Kmd

.
1. This is the second time this game that you have called someone obvtown with no clear basis for your belief.
2. Mastin is never obvtown.

If you're truely curious as to wheter I'm usually 'hostile', then it would be in your interests to meta me, correct?
I thought KMD was being sarcastic about the 'obvtown+mastin' comment..

[PhilyEc]

Yo Mod, got results back from exams and no ones happy. Going to be busy looking for a future so I need a replacement.