Zmd
Yosariwen
Pesco-Light
Bravo for finding the scum. Clearly, a time/post waster. That's a mega scumtell in this game.J-Scope wrote:Pesco, why are you voting a non-threat? You should be voting for scum, like this:
Vote: Pesco Light
It's because of idiotic unsupported votes like yours that I'm "generally bummed" and on my merry way to retiring.Raging Wishbone wrote:Unvote, vote Zaphod. Something still feels off to me about DGB's play here, and it's more than being generally bummed. -RR
I take this as confirmation that you are a SK.Apples and Banana wrote:Whether I am Vig or SK, I still provide an extra kill to the Town every cycle.
Aw, there we go again, I'm scum in every game. You're half the reason why I'm not going to play anymore after I finish my current commitments.roflcopter wrote:hey zaphod why are you ignoring post 41 even after a second request for you to acknowledge it?
i say we pick someone for a+b to kill and then lynch him. my choice for that kill is zaphod.
I don't see what benefit that gave - the scum wouldn't have inside knowledge, and I don't see it very much pointing to an SK implying that the second kills each action period aren't SK kills. Any inside knowledge would indicate Vig, so why out this (note that I don't personally think it indicates either; I'm concerned with sex club's thought process here)?sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:This seems to imply knowledge of the SK vs. Vig option.Raging Wishbone wrote:I think this game should be over by page 31 (3 scumkills),
Yeah. Especially in this game we're looking for all posts to have substance and useful contribution - extreme post conservation is not necessary and probably not optimal. But avoiding pure fluff is a very good thing, and pure fluff is a pretty bad thing. However, the next post by the pair catches the same concern I had with sex club as noted above.PoketheAlpaca wrote:I agree with everyhting PF has said.
Ill reread later.
Pesco Light, I understand why you think that signing posts might not be your stuff and why you might think it's not optimal. I don't see you explain, up to that point, why it's so clearly optimal to avoid signing posts and why scum would have a strong motivation to sign their posts that you think this is at all a viable FOS.Pesco Light wrote:And you say this without signing your post. And I've already given you my stance. This doesn't cut it.
So, anyway, on that note, I'll add anFoS: Every post signer
If by Vig you mean 'either Vig or SK' it would suggest that one or both of you hasn't read the Mod's first post carefully and deduced that there's definitely one or the other, but not both.sex cub wrote:I'm more just wondering where RWishbone cooked up those numbers. And we all know a vig is in the game, the knowledge he displayed would actually suggest he knows there isn't a vig in the game.
Incamnito wrote:I propose we simply lynch them. Now. And then see what people have to say about that.
Unless they want to try helping the town, that is.
Ortohoops' vote was on A&B for gut + a vote thatZmd wrote:Fuuny how Hoopla/Ort calls Poke's wagon opportunistic and then jumps on the new popular wagon.
Unvote, Vote Ortohoops
You might have elaborated, mentioned other things which had caught your eye, looked worthy of comment and/or shady. It'll be my mantra: "Not conservation of posts! Consistent concentration of substance!" So yeah, basically, I am seeing A&B as fairly scummy by this point.Apples and Banana wrote:You expect all 12 hydras in the game to all have completely original thoughts on different players by pagesex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:Why has apples and bananas wagon died? Because they decided to try to look like they're playing the game? All they did was agree with Yosariwen's point and hide behind them. Agreeing is fine. Wagoning is fine. No original thinking = scum.TWO? Its a game where conserving posts is essential, and you're trying to say I'm Scum for not having said much by page TWO?
If he was using the character in the signup thread it's iobviously not indicative of alignment, especially puttering about the RVS. What about his "tone" pinged your scumdar (or was it unidentifiable gut matter?)? It seems DGB likes you at this point, but I'm less certain right now; my eyes aren't exactly imploding, if you get my drift.Incamnito wrote:Now, I did vote Hogfather... but I don't recall saying it was for only 1 post. I don't like his tone, and I don't like this so-called "character" he is using. In this thread OR in the sign-up thread.
Absolutely.Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:I am willing to hammer A&B if the claim is unsatisfactory. My second head agrees.
He explains why scum, while they have a moderate motivation to spam with fluff posts they have at least as much to make sure not toApples and Banana wrote:68 - Explains that he thinks wasting posts isn't scummy, and that Scum actually probably won't do it...WHAT? I think he knows exactly if the Scum are or aren't wasting posts.Unvote, Vote: Ortohoops
Beep beep beep. This sort of argument, whether made by town or scum, always seems to make me want to pull out my own wisdom teeth. Luckily they're already gone.Apples and Banana wrote:Whether I am Vig or SK, I still provide an extra kill to the Town every cycle.
Yeah, you confirmed DGB's thought right there.Apples and Banana wrote:I've submitted a kill for this cycle anyways. Don't waste any more posts on my wagon, let me help hunt for the actual Scumgroup.Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:I take this as confirmation that you are a SK.Apples and Banana wrote:Whether I am Vig or SK, I still provide an extra kill to the Town every cycle.
Hammer please before he kills a townie.
For a lot of this game I seem to recall you saying you weren't comfortable with us on a gut level. Why the mind change?Raging Wishbone wrote:Zaphod = Town (free pass)
No, Plum hasn't, and she apologizes profusely and promises to pick up the slack, as above.J-Scope wrote:Zaphod: Why are your posts so short? That looks more like DGB style than Plum style. Has Plum said much?
Hey shaft.ed I didn't know you were in this game... you might be upset at the innuendo suggested by one of the hydra's name... give my regards to your wife.shaft.ed wrote:God this game mechanic is painful.
RW for the love of God could you PLEASE not quote entire walls of text to reply with one line. PLEASE!@!!
YosYou're grandstanding that all this resistance to your RW case indicates he's being protected by scum buddies. Yet many game players haven't posted since your case. Furthermore, the problem people have with your RW case is not the case itself it's your apparenty hypocrisy. You state that it's imperative that town lynch 2-3 times this action phase, list PtA as your second suspect, state you'd be happy with his lynch, but derail the wagon on PtA to push your RW case. This is clearly a logical inconsistency. Also most of your RW case surrounds the A&B vote shenanigans. I'd be amazed if you don't recall RW's voting on your wagon in Alpha.
RWFor the love of God...see above. I'm getting a townish read off of RW for what it matters.
TrotskyYour answer to my querry is lacking.This still doesn't address why you would then ask A&B to kill Zaphod. At that point in time you knew A&B was very unlikely mafia, you just admitted as such.Korts wrote:the vig claim would obviously be stupid as mafia, it was from zaphod's initial ignorance of the a+b wagon that we suspected her, and the sudden switch and hard push on it implied hard bussing--which we would expect dgbscum to do in such a case.
If you don't see you're name in bold tags here you aren't posting enough. Get off your ass and post.
It depends on which half. The half that likes to lurk to victory is also the one that tunnels like mad when town. So seesawing and lurking would lean scum - heavily.Frog Dodging wrote:I also think trotsky's seesawing on the a&b wagon is more likely town than scum. Overall, I have a slightly scummy vibe from them but I'm happier lynching ZMD.
Post. Rubs me the wrong way.Ortohoops wrote:I think Yoswen is scum with PTA and is trying both to derail his wagon and tie RW to him if he gets lynched regardless and flips scum.
This was when the first PtA wagon seemed to be overtaking the A&B one. Curious, curious - also screwing with my read on what Sex Club may be up to.SexClub wrote:Why has apples and bananas wagon died? Because they decided to try to look like they're playing the game? All they did was agree with Yosariwen's point and hide behind them. Agreeing is fine. Wagoning is fine. No original thinking = scum.
Um, wait. Here you advocate not wasting posts on not lynching, and seem to like the A&B wagon, but don't elaborate on eitherRaging Wishbone wrote:People seem fixtated on the idea that we should only lynch once per action block. This is how things work in regular games, but I don't see why this should be how things will work here. The more and the earlier we lynch, the less kills scum have, the better. I therefore suggest we try writing fewer posts, with more content. I'm not saying people should be terrified of posting, but saying more in fewer posts gains us valuable space. I think people should try treating this game as a form of Verbose Mafia, and only post when they either have a substantial point (which doesn't require the post to be long) to make or several small ones. For example, despite being an entirely valid point, this:
could've waited until he had more to say. And of course, "I'll reread later" posts and the such are entirely redundant. This approach may slow down the game a bit, but I think the gain is worth it and anyways our energy is more needed elsewhere.pesco-town wrote:Gut read isn't as conclusive as a post of making a scummy excuse.
That, and I think we should be much more lenient towards lynching than we usually are. Again, lynching doesn't cost us scumkills here. Wasting too many posts on not lynching does. So go violence!
DGB feels highly unnatural here, on top of being sorta useless thus far.Vote Zaphod Beeblebrox. The Apples and Bananas wagon is good too.
Hold on a sec. Pity you replaced out; otherwiseDeath the Hogfather wrote:alpaca's contentless posts do not sit well with me, and neither do A&B's.vote: applesandbananaA&B's overdefensiveness combined with the hypocritical attempt to shift the wagon onto alpaca make them seem more likely scum to me, but based on the interactions, I am reasonably sure that exactly one of them is scum.
Har. Noting this observation for posterity.Yosariwen wrote:"Feh, ZMD's most recent post is sparse and almost purely responsive. Everything about his post is watered down and galvanized only by questions. Even his case and vote are forced in order to refute ShaftedSex."
For the record, there was one line in there which may have read as personal gloating which wasn't meant to be. It may have been read as 'Good, I caught the SK'; I mean 'Good, the SK has been caught'. If this makes any difference to anyone. In other news, I approve of Nybs' idea, I guess; I don't approve of her support for a Yosariwen lynch.Nybs wrote:On Zaphod Beeblebrox, I see the case being pushed against them as wobbly. I could see town do the 'gloating' at the sk lynch too.
I am so glad you agreee with the above, but no where in SexEd's post did she indicate she wanted me lynched... Spin conversations much?[/quote]WaltWishbone wrote:[quote="Zaphod Beeblebrox"I agree with the above extracts from your post. I could definitely give a Trotsky or RW lynch a shot. As in, a shot in the head.
No! Remember, even you noted that we're sorta on a post budget here! Always having your vote somewhere is especially necessary. FOSes with out votes are suspicious.Raging Wishbone wrote:Not hating this plan, BUT I dont want to quick lynch people I think are town... I also would like to here what my partner says when he gets back, but, at this point this is the best scum read I have....
FOS: Trotsky
FOS: ZMD
Specifically, why are you getting this warm fuzzy feeling???Trotsky wrote:i haven't completely gone through all of the monster posts that have been made recently, but i will be getting together with my other head and doing that soon. a cursory glance up the page after this shaft.elvis death gives me a warm fuzzy about zaphod's chances of being a scumpartner.
No excuses, I have never, ever seen you lurk. Furthermore, as of late, I also have never, ever seen you fail to stubbornly tunnel on me. I must therefore conclude that you are scum.Trotsky wrote:zaphod did you consider that it is the game mechanic making us lurk and not some vague meta argument that you a) apparently based on only one of our heads and b) couldn't be arsed to prove anyway?
That's exactly what I said. Your FAILURE to stubbornly tunnel on me means that you're scum.Trotsky wrote:given that every time you've seen me stubbornly tunnel on you i've been town your point seems to fail on a most basic level.
I don't remember it, and everything you do is to irritate me anyway, so buzz off, scum. I don't care to answer your questions or interact with you but for the fact that you're a scumbag in this game and you should be dead already.Trotsky wrote:while you're here, why oh why won't you answer that simple question i asked you ages and ages ago? its been quoted at least three times already to remind you to answer it.
I already explained, at this point, why an A&B section got included in that post: I needed to do major catching-up because I'd only had time to focus on the Alpha game, did a major reread-with-analysis post, and saw no compelling reason to excise the A&B section that I'd already written. I was attempting only to let the Town see all my thoughts and notes as I read through the game; when catching up, this is normal for me, and says nothing besides Plum playing as she usually does; quite null. Why did/do you see only self-congratulatory, apparently scummy emphasis on good work done by my other head and the other players?Ojando wrote:We dislike Zaphod 141 A&B section. A&B was finito already. Don't see any other reason for this to be there than just to self-congratulate, playing up that their hydra was eagerly calling for the finishing votes of the lynch.
No, I wasn't. I was a rereader taking notes and thoughts and posting them all. I'm not sure why you so insistently believe that there was more scummy motivation to draw attention to the fact that over the course of my reread I attacked A&B to some degree and the fact that DGB also did than null motivation to do a thorough reread post to really catch up. I did not gloat personally and I did not try to ascribe the catching of the SK to myself or otherwise emphasize my part in it. Clarifying that point was what I tried to do, but you took it and tried to make it out as a scum move, which it would be under no circumstances.Ojando wrote:There’s a distinct difference between gloating and what I interpreted it as, which was drawing attention to an apparent town-move. Gloating is something anyone would do, trying to ensure that everyone knows that you’re awesome at scum(sk)hunting is something that scum would do or a townie under pressure, which you weren’t, as far as I recall.
Not voting is usually itself a pretty decent scumtell, in my humble opinion, and I don't see any real reason for RW to not have voted one of his suspects in the post in question.Ojando wrote:This seems like a stretch, he was clearly going to post again before we got close to another lynch. If it was going to continue and he basically ould have refused to vote, ok, but this was hardly a telling point against RW.
*pats head*Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:And thus this game will become another hell whose end I will pray for.
FTR, I believe I complained about certain players thinking I'm "scum in every game." I don't recall commenting on my actual alignment in any of these games.Trotsky wrote:i missed this little nugget the first time around i guess
lynch all lurkers mafiaraging wishbone wrote:I CANT vote ZAPHOD (Although my oarner wanted too)...maybe you can but I wont because she WROTE in this BETA game the "reason she was leaving mafiascum forever was because of being accussed of being scum when she was TOWN?"... I mean don't that mean nothing to you?
amnesia mafia
these are just some of the games i assume dgb was actually referring to as her "reason to leave mafiascum forever." dgb being the classy and sportsmanlike lady she is would not refer to ongoing games in a rant about leaving the site.
My partner and I were going to post a big case on RW, but now with ZMD's admission of guilt, there isn't much point.Zmd wrote:Also, this is gonna piss some people off, but if I get near a lynch, I won't claim. Enough people see me as scummy that I can accept my own lynch instead of being lynched later when we have less mislynches availible to us. And if I were to survive the lynch, I have the scum WIFOMing over my role and trying to decide if they need to worry about me or not. All I am going to say is that if I am a power role, I have no valuable information to share yet. That's as close to a claim as I am getting even if I am at L-1 with everyone else threatening to hammer. Take it how you will, but that's what I am doing and I'm set on that.
My other hydra head had much more - the case should be coming soon.I wrote:Votecount as of post 213:
PoketheAlpaca: 3 :Ortohoops, J-Scope, Ojando
Raging Wishbone: 2 :Yosariwen, nyballosulgniirkps,
Trotsky: 2 :Zmd, Zaphod Beeblebrox,
Ortohoops: 1 :PoketheAlpaca
zmd: 1 :Frog Dodging,
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Votecount as of post 238:
Raging Wishbone: 4 :Yosariwen, nyballosulgniirkps, Zaphod Beeblebrox, J-Scope
Zaphod Beeblebrox: 2 :Trotsky, Ojando
PoketheAlpaca: 1 :Ortohoops,
Frog Dodging 1 :J-Scope,
Trotsky: 1 :Zmd,
Ortohoops: 1 :PoketheAlpaca
zmd: 1 :Frog Dodging,
J-Scope: 1 :Raging Wishbone
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The scum is RW.
Frog Dodging may be his scumpal judging by post #260.
Where the heck do I say that I wasRaging Wishbone wrote:meh, you did comment on your aligment here....
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:Aw, there we go again, I'm scum in every game. You're half the reason why I'm not going to play anymore after I finish my current commitments.roflcopter wrote:hey zaphod why are you ignoring post 41 even after a second request for you to acknowledge it?
i say we pick someone for a+b to kill and then lynch him. my choice for that kill is zaphod.
A&B said he already submitted his kill.
I'm happy to be lynched in any game I have the misfortune of having signed up for with you in it.
Don't forget to post under your hydra name next time.
In the playstyle context of just joining a game/catching up on a lot of stuff midgame that's happened without me (my post in question in this game was much more akin to the former). Here is an excellent example of this; I missed the first few (fairly dense, if I recall - that whole game was pretty dense . . .) pages of a game and reviewed it in that stream-of-consciousness style. I was a Vanilla Townie there. Again, this is my playstyle indicative of null Plum only in my humble opinion.PoketheAlpaca wrote:To clarify, are you saying you often review dead players OR is that generally meant in the playstyle context of just joining a game? Can you present a link to a completed game where you have done that sort of thing before?
I meant to clarify what I meant by that quote. One objectively might take that quote of mine in different ways.Sando wrote:
Zaphod:Caught the SK; excellent. Now I need to go back for more tells and analysis. Grrr Smile.The top quote looks awfully like gloating. If you’re saying that you personally didn’t gloat but your other half may have, then I’m not going to accept that as an explanation. What 1 half does reflects on the other half.I did not gloat personally and I did not try to ascribe the catching of the SK to myself or otherwise emphasize my part in it.
Trotsky flips SK; now what, in your mind?Raging Wishbone wrote: I ain't gonna post a wall of text. It has been stated over and over, but there was something really wrong between Trotsky and Zaphod...one of those two plus jscope is scum.
Actually I’m not sure that Sex Club was attacking Zmd too much, not in a way I can be reasonably sure wasn’t distancing or bussing.”Yosariwen” wrote: "Feh, ZMD's most recent post is sparse and almost purely responsive. Everything about his post is watered down and galvanized only by questions. Even his case and vote are forced in order to refute ShaftedSex."
Sweet catch, Zmd. RW's question dodge is dodgy. If you protected him you sure as hell would have seen why FrogDodge was alive despite A&B's claimed kill and wouldn't have attacked and voted him on suspicion of being a kill-immune SK.Zmd wrote:Um, yeah. RW, explain this.
If you knew you protected FD, why did you vote him here with this added on to it?Raging Wishbone wrote:VOTE: FrogDodge
Unless we can figure out if A&B was lying... I see no other reason he is not dead. I kinda would like to stick with Occams Razor.
The vote sure seemed like an attack; it definitely served as one. Nice try, fail lie, scum.RagingWishbone wrote:[quote="raging wishbone" Our role is a Doctor, we protected frogdodge round one and pokealpca round 2.I planted some seeds such as asking why frogdoge was still alive
I also have had doubts on his alignment as the game progressed. We sent our protection in before the game started. Just because I have protected frog and poke does not mean they are town.I never attacked him, I asked why he was still alive.
There may be a relation. I can't prove that there is.J-Scope wrote:Do you think the second statement is related to the first? Who are the lurkers you have in mind?Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:It took forever for the scum kill to go through. I'm interested in two players that lurked hard.
What took so long for that one to resolve? It occurred before the lynch, no?Ojanen wrote:Considering that the rules say pending kills resolve after a lynch anyway, I don't really see the incentive.
True, except that Yosariwen had little to do with said drama.Ojando wrote:Ummm?
Yes, it occured before the lynch, but I was asking what you see as the incentive to choose/send in a kill rather earlier than later in the day (that seemed to be the tacit assumption behind thinking the kill took forever to happen)? Cause it must have been sent in 26th or 27th and that coincides with RW's claim and the drama that was seeming to end the day soon and the doc's target named, which I thought would have been relevant.
How does your vote relate to the explanatory sentence below?Frog Dodging wrote:Vote: zmd
I like the analysis of the lurking, particularly as regards to nyballs. They're very experienced players and it's unlikely scum would want to kill without their input.
But then what about the couple of days immediately before the kill?Ojando wrote:Pretty sure from 19 June to 23 June we were in twilight awaiting rule changes. I know we could post, but no votes counted AFAIK, and considering how much work goes into this game, at least prior to the rule changes, it seemed like a convenient time to relax for a bit while waiting for the rule changes.Zahop wrote:LURKED
5. Ojando Death the Hogfather Lurked from June 17-26
8. Ortohoops Lurked from June 12-24
10. PoketheAlpaca June 14-20, June 20-26
11. nyballosulgniirkps Pesco Light June 9-17 and June 17-26
14. Frog Dodging June 9-15, June 15-21
I think these are going off my timestamps here, and I'm not entirely sure what timestamps this account has given me and Ojanen are in diff timezones. But yeah, there was a 3-4 day period there where we were in twilight.
Yeah, that's pretty clear, however, I am incredulous that you'd vote one player without explanation, throwing in a random sentence that you don't follow through.Frog Dodging wrote:I would have thought it was pretty clear that it didn't.Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:How does your vote relate to the explanatory sentence below?Frog Dodging wrote:Vote: zmd
I like the analysis of the lurking, particularly as regards to nyballs. They're very experienced players and it's unlikely scum would want to kill without their input.
WIFOM! You are scum pushing the WIFOM card. Which you also did in Medieval, by stating that the zwet lynch was scum driven. Which it was, ALL the scum was on it.Zmd wrote:Ok, here's an idea. DGB know that I'd never put one of these up by my own choice if I were scum and she were in the game because it screwed us over in Medieval. (Also gives my opinions for later use after I'm lynched)
Which contradicts:Zmd wrote:Zaphod, if you are truly town, it's likely that JScope is scum.
I smell a rat and I am ready to hammer you for it.Zmd wrote:SCUM LIST!
Likely scum:
Zaphod Beeblebrox
J-Scope
I know WIFOM that's planted by scum, from the regular day to day WIFOM. Your kind of WIFOM is scum-planted WIFOM.Zmd wrote:First, when the hell is MS going to stop being so scared of WIFOM and call every little thing "OMG SCUM WIFOM"?
No, zwet was scum, you were scum. What you say makes no sense and is in no way related to my postulate, which is that you like to plant WIFOM as scum.Zmd wrote:I was being a dick and showing Camn that my Gambit had merit and only failed originally because it was scum that I was looking at and Zwet was town there, so it worked.DGB wrote:Another thing he did in that game was to participate in a full-scumteam Day 1 bus'ing of zwet. He specifically said that the zwet wagon was scum-driven (that's his attempt as scum to WIFOM the town).
I'm not buying that. It was a soft fakeclaim. Otherwise, wou would in fact have been killed for it.Zmd wrote:Btw, my no claim was an attempt to draw a scum kill before.
And I honestly found some! YOU!Zmd wrote:DGB seems to be honestly looking for scum.
My bad, I'm confusing this with another game (Lynch All Lurkers) where zwet was bus'ed Day 1 by his whole scumteam. Except for this detail, my conclusion remains.Zmd wrote:Actually, I was making a true statement. Zwet was town and his wagon was scum driven.