Alphabet Mafia -=- GAME OVER, TOWN WINS!

[genku]

Ah, duh, yeah, I should unvote.

unvote: Nor

[bunsofsteel]

bandwagonernesses is why I'm gonna

vote: genku

[genku]

bandwagonernesses is why I'm gonna

vote: genku

Why does this post make me very very very suspicious of BunsOfSteel?

[Dourgrim]

Vote: bunsofsteel

He's posted exactly twice to this thread... once to confirm receipt of a role, and once to jump onto a bandwagon I've already said I don't understand. Die, scum lurker!

[mathcam]

While I'm at it,

Unvote: Nor Raist.

Cam

[Medicated Lain]

Nor, your role confuses me a bit.. so you only had one chance to replace someone? Were you forced to use it last night, or did you have a choice? How did you know who was dead? Did you choose just choose Tigris without knowing?

[genku]

Hmm, maybe he's like an SK and he chooses them and they die? Hmm, but then where would be the other killing group? Doesn't make much sense but I think he might be some kind of SK or possibly even totally full of crap.

[genku]

What I mean is like.. he chooses their role.. they die.. and then he truely replaces them.. Kills A, takes place of A.. get's their role and such.

[Medicated Lain]

So genku, you think the letters O, N, A, and C are bad? The thing about Nor's claim is that there are a few factors, that just seem sketchy.. which is why I asked those questions... and it's very easy to take the letter R for replacement and use it on the only dead person in the game.. but that in itself seems a bit suspicous.

[genku]

I think the letters O N A and C are a red herring, actually. I don't think we can just go on what people's letters are to be able to tell if they're a bad guy, it should probably be based on how good their claim is.

[Nor Raist]

Nor, your role confuses me a bit.. so you only had one chance to replace someone? Were you forced to use it last night, or did you have a choice? How did you know who was dead? Did you choose just choose Tigris without knowing?

I had no choice in the matter at all. In effect I started the game in a neutral state neither pro-town nor scum. Night 1 there would have been an unknown (to me) number of kills. Of those that died I was to assume one of their roles at complete random. The sole exception being if the random role already had an understudy at the ready (i.e. a deputy cop, or a nurse type role) at which point I would have been assigned a random night two victim. At no time was I able to submit a choice, and at no time in the future am I able to change my assumed role.

[shadyforce]

I do think there will be a pattern to the letters, although I don't think that pattern is ONAC, but you never know.

Maybe: PBUG named after their leader, lol .

[mathcam]

Ok, all caught up now. Apologies again for the "dumb post" above.

Nor Raist, you didn't mention the possibility of there being no night one kills. What if a doc had got lucky and stopped the kill? Presumably this was an option, and it's one that you didn't mention. Personally, it's the kind of possibility I think a mod would have forseen so would have included some disclaimer in the role about it. When presenting your role yourself, however, you didn't mention it at all. That makes me suspicious of you.

I have no idea why you crazy people are jumping on Genku.

Genku- here's the thing about Nor's claim...importantly, no one else has come forward to say, "WTF? I'm R, but I'm a Retaliator, and you must be lying scum!"

This doesn't make too much sense.

Of course

Nor Raist is not lying about what letter his role starts with. That would be stupid, because exactly as you say, he would be called on it. In fact we could all simultaneously reveal our letters and no one would be caught lying because they have no reason to lie.

So all we have to go on is the validity of the role claim. I think the hole in the claim I mentioned above, though certainly not enough to guarantee that Nor is evil,

is

significant enough to suggest that he might have made up his role claim, and in particular supports the merits of lynching Nor rather than bandwagonning someone else. What if genku's a cop? Or a doc? Do we really want that exposed? Or what if he just claimed one? Would we still go through with the lynching?

Vote: Nor Raist

Cam

[Demeech]

Nor Raist, you didn't mention the possibility of there being no night one kills. What if a doc had got lucky and stopped the kill? Presumably this was an option, and it's one that you didn't mention. Personally, it's the kind of possibility I think a mod would have forseen so would have included some disclaimer in the role about it. When presenting your role yourself, however, you didn't mention it at all. That makes me suspicious of you.

Probably nothing would've happened.

I have no idea why you crazy people are jumping on Genku.

Why not? He's the most suspicious.

What if genku's a cop? Or a doc? Do we really want that exposed? Or what if he just claimed one? Would we still go through with the lynching?

What if he's mafia? The odds are close.

[mathcam]

The same holds for randomly bandwagonning anyone. My point is that randomly bandwagonning someone forces a role claim. This should be done only if we're at a standstill. I personally don't feel we should be.

Probably nothing would've happened.

Well, yeah. I definitely agree that if Korais666 designed this role, then the role would haev stated that nothing would have happened in the case I mentioned. My point was that Nor Raist didn't make mention of this case, even though he

did

make mention of the other minor technicality...that if he targeted a role with a back-up, he wouldn't take over that role. My point is not that the role is contradictory because this issue was not addressed, just that if Korais has been designing a role, he would have included it, and when Nor presented the role, he didn't.

Cam

[Dourgrim]

Hmmm... good points, Cam. And I'm with you: I still don't get the genku bandwagon.

unvote: bunsofsteel

FoS: bunsofsteel

for lurking and mindless bandwagonning.

vote: Nor Raist

[mathcam]

Hmmm... good points, Cam.

Woo hoo!

Cam

[Untrod Tripod]

Hating mindless bandwagoning is why I'm going to

vote BoS

[mathcam]

You're already voting for Nor Raist, which I think is a singularly good idea. Why ruin that with random voting?

Cam

[Nor Raist]

The same holds for randomly bandwagonning anyone. My point is that randomly bandwagonning someone forces a role claim. This should be done only if we're at a standstill. I personally don't feel we should be.

Probably nothing would've happened.

Well, yeah. I definitely agree that if Korais666 designed this role, then the role would haev stated that nothing would have happened in the case I mentioned. My point was that Nor Raist didn't make mention of this case, even though he

did

make mention of the other minor technicality...that if he targeted a role with a back-up, he wouldn't take over that role. My point is not that the role is contradictory because this issue was not addressed, just that if Korais has been designing a role, he would have included it, and when Nor presented the role, he didn't.

Cam

You are absolutly correct. This was so obvious that I was forced to reread the role twice to see what I had done.

My role mentioned the first night kills or kills would determine who I became. In my reading I assumed that this meant night 1 kills and presented that assumption to the town. However I realize that there was never a specific reference to any specific night, just the first occurance of a night kill or kills.

Please forgive me for misreading that.

[Medicated Lain]

Something still seems suspicious about Nor Raist, I'm not entirely sure I believe him...

vote: Nor Raist

... even if he is what he says he is, a roleblocker in itself can be an annoying role, if they choose the wrong people, but I really just don't believe him... either way doesn't seem like a loss.

[korais666]

Vote count:

genku: 8 (Nor Raist, malaprop, Demeech, scalebane, mlaker, lazarus, someone, bunsofsteel)
Nor Raist: 4 (bloojay, mathcam, Dourgrim, Mediacated Lain)
bloojay: 1 (Stewie)
bunsofsteel: (Untrod Tripod)
Mathcam: 1 (Fletcher)

10 to lynch. Lemme know if I screwed anything up badly.

Also, people other than tripod have forgotten to unvote several times during the game. I will always assume an unvote in a case like that, but it would still be nice if it were there in case I don't see your name on another list and accidentally add it twice.

Thankies
-Korais

[mathcam]

Please forgive me for misreading that.

But,

I can't believed I botched my made-up role claim. Please let me live for doing that.

Am I sure he's guilty? No. But there's a big enough hole that's it not worth bandwagonning anyone else out into the open instead. It's very rare that we get something this strong on day 1, so let's take advantage of it while it's here.

Cam

[mathcam]

Oh, wow! I just saw the vote count. Come on, people. Do the town a favor and look through

every other game Genku is playing in.

He acts the same

every

time. He's overly defensive, self-effacting, talkative, and is prone to voting people without a heck of a lot of justification. These qualities do not a mafia make.

Cam

[genku]

Yeah, seriously. I suck ass in all my games, not just this one.

Anyway, it seems like Nor screwed up big time right there.. so I'll vote him.

Nor Raist

(and this time not just because he has a funny name.)