Mini 844 - P-p-plain! - Over

[Rosso Carne]

/yeah lets do this shit

[Rosso Carne]

plum is obviously scum.

Why isnt she dead yet?

[Rosso Carne]

Vote Rosso Carne

for failing to vote for his top suspect.

What the hell is wrong with you, I HAMMAH!

Why does no one get this yet?

[Rosso Carne]

kmd, youre an idiot, stop writing books on the level of War and Peace for your posts, its fucking stupid.

I'd get ont he tail end of a kmd or alamaster wagon.

[Rosso Carne]

[quote="KaleiÃ

[Rosso Carne]

I will ask him: if you are a vanilla, which I assume you want every1 to believe, for now, do you consider your attitude pro-town? What if you force a power role to claim?

Don't rolefish. I'm not going to claim now. Yes, I'm doing what I think will help the town, so I consider it protown. My opinions are out, and if I'm lynched, everything I've said is validated by my town flip. I'd suggest that everyone look at it, knowing that it's what I've honestly believed, and evaluate it's accuracy. If a power role claims, so what? I'm not going to be scared to attack scummy players because they

might

be a power role.

It seems extremely unlikely to me that both he and alm are mafia. They were both targetted by bw's (alm is right now), and they both react without exaggerated OMGUS's. Moreover, I am still convinced Kmd is scum (I explained why above)... if he is mafia, raiv and alm probably are not.

Explain how anything I've done has been OMGUS.

actually, CoCo, I think Kaleidoscope was trying to encourage people to vote for Kmd in order to see who was really eager to have Kmd lynched... it was a trap, or at least I hope it was, cuz if it was not, or if he is claiming double vote, it is really a dumb move.

anyway it doesn't seem it's working...

FoS: always Kmd

1) If you thought it was a trap, why not let it run it's course?
2) It wasn't. You don't know Scope.

this post has zero quality.

People need to move over to this joker.

[Rosso Carne]

Just for clarification, Rosso do you vote anyone who is placed at L-1?

No, only people that I'd actually HAMMAH!

[Rosso Carne]

Don't rolefish. I'm not going to claim now. Yes, I'm doing what I think will help the town, so I consider it protown. My opinions are out, and if I'm lynched, everything I've said is validated by my town flip. I'd suggest that everyone look at it, knowing that it's what I've honestly believed, and evaluate it's accuracy. If a power role claims, so what? I'm not going to be scared to attack scummy players because they

might

be a power role.

This REEEEEEEEEEAKS! of scumminess, like really really bad.

serious, why hasn't mkd been lynched? this is just giving his scum buddies time to catch on that they should stop defending him.

[Rosso Carne]

[quote="KaleiÃ

[Rosso Carne]

Youre a bad cop then kmd. Having a power role is no excuse to play poorly.

As a note, should someone in fact move their vote right now to KMD, I'd probably still HAMMAH!

[Rosso Carne]

Youre a bad cop then kmd. Having a power role is no excuse to play poorly.

As a note, should someone in fact move their vote right now to KMD, I'd probably still HAMMAH!

out of curiosity, do you EVER vote when it isn't a hammah?

not usually. I'm trying it out.

kill: kmd

[Rosso Carne]

I unvoted to avoid a mafia hammah... I assume one could simply say:

1) that he does not believe Kmd is cop
2) that we are better off without a fail cop

since Kmd went to sleep, I will never vote him until he comes back and answers what we are writing right now.

:shrug: vote him if you think he's scum. Thats all there is to it, theres no waiting involved.

[Rosso Carne]

vote:kmd

[Rosso Carne]

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[Rosso Carne]

well KMD, you ought to just make a real claim now.

[Rosso Carne]

And tell your scum buddies to just surrender.

[Rosso Carne]

NEEEEEEEEIGH!

[Rosso Carne]

can we lynch someone else before the day is out?

[Rosso Carne]

he wont be.

[Rosso Carne]

Nothing to say about why you voted Keelie?

Because I think wagons are a good thing.

unvote, Vote Kmd

kinda like your wagon too, I think I'll hop on.

On a side note I'm getting townie vibes off AlmasterGM.

On a side note, while I share your Alm vibes I am not impressed by your nonchalant willingness to jump wagons with the only explanation being that you 'kinda like' them.

Kmd's summary of my points against him is pretty decent summary here.

Kmd, I've said it once and I'll say it again: lovely if you get reads for scumteams by Page 3, but generall unhelpful to the town at this point. Leave it for a more pertinent time and I'll be all ears.

Plums whole post seems scummy to me, This part reads like scum talkin to each other. I don't have any evidence or anything , just a hunch.

For various reasons I consider scumteam speculation Day 1 to be anti-town, and in certain cases, depending, I may consider it a scumtell. I was telling Kmd to stop doing something I consider anti-town. How were you reading it? Can you pinpoint at all what caused this 'hunch'?

Alm and Kmd's discussion seems to turn up that Kmd was

not

as certain on reads as I (and Alm) first read them. The question now becomes: Was the implied strength of his reads deliberately exaggerated in an attempt to manipulate and possibly lead the Town or was it Kmd being Kmd? The weird thing here is I don't think I've seen Kmd ever act that certain as Town (well, I'm drawing from what I can recall of Adel's Hydra games, and there may have been stuff from Zazie, his hydra buddy, mixed in, but I seem to recall it being Kmd) . . . he was much more list-y, e.g. This group of players seems townie, this group mostly neutral, this group scummy as opposed to this guy is Town, this guy is Town, this guy is scum &c. And that was with more stuff than RVS to work with as well, IIRC. If I weren' s pressed for time I'd do a more extensive analysis of that right now, as it my wont.

K-Scope sudden call for an Alm wagon. Huh?

I was going to say Kmd wasn't obsessed with getting Pom lynched, just focusing suspicion on his top suspect, but I am a little shady on the expressed desire to lynch her today - partly because I do not find her notably scummy, and partly because I am almost never sure enough of my reads by page 4 that I am confident enough to say 'All right, my top suspect is the best lynch candidate we're going to find today'. Just not.

More soon.

Also I am extremely slow and thought Rosso's vote was L-1 and my discussion would still be relevant. Of course, it was

Rosso's

vote, which didn't register at first.

Oh, well.

If Kmd flips scum, which would not too much surprise me at this point in my more-thorough read, Raivann is a likely buddy. For posterity I add this.

clearly kmd's scum buddy

[Rosso Carne]

xofelf, I don't play any roles differently. There is one exception and that didn't work out so well (beloved princess).

Are you going ot actually claim so we dont have to wait for the mod.

[Rosso Carne]

OH NO EDDDY!!!!!

gotta do a reread and will post some stuff laterz on.

[Rosso Carne]

VOTE:PLUM

Plum is scum.

for serious serious?

or just for serious?

[Rosso Carne]

So I was right about Alm, lew, and Kmd and for that I get a vote Scope?

I cant speak for my hammah bro, but is there any semblance for why plum is scum. like, i mean, 100% role based semblance?

[Rosso Carne]

mmk, i can respect that.

[Rosso Carne]

no, didnt even start it. maybe tomorrow will be slower at wrk.

[Rosso Carne]

[quote="Raivann"][quote="KaleiÃ

[Rosso Carne]

[quote="KaleiÃ

[Rosso Carne]

mmk, I did a bit of a reread.

this is a little forward, but I think the town is in good position to do this.

STEP ONE:

I want to know who killed the second mason last night. Clearly theres a lot of killing roles at work. On top of that, the other roles are probably either all townies or incredibly role intensive.

So again, step one IMO is for the vig who blasted the GF or the mason needs to claim.

[Rosso Carne]

Something bothers me about both Masons being killed N1, but I'd rather not say anything about it until Rosso's alleged vig steps up.

Thats most of the reason I want the vig to step up and out. There were just too many deaths last night for it to not be either role related {from the masons} or complete luck.

Which it was I really dont care, as that will either be revealed when the vig steps up or in endgame {which obviously none of us can predict short of divine intervention}

[Rosso Carne]

[quote="KaleiÃ

[Rosso Carne]

well i put a question out. its helping me formulate my idea. you should answer it.

[Rosso Carne]

read page 9

[Rosso Carne]

ORLY?

[Rosso Carne]

[quote="KaleiÃ

[Rosso Carne]

Raivann as scum

I do not like the Raivann vote. I am pretty sure he is town, based on the fact that KMDscum was heavily bussing Pomegranate. WIFOM, but I do not think that KMDscum would bus both Godfather and other scum partner.

Going to go back and do a quick re-read.

Then again I've seen Kmd bring up a mini game where his scumbuddy LlamaFluff bussed both him (Kmd-scum) and their other buddy Days 1 and 2 to a win. Having Raivann as an early third suspect would not be out of the question at all. You'll see that most of the pressure on Raivann from Kmd drops off as he continues bussing Pom hard.

Raivann jumps the Kyliee wagon Kmd starts in the RVS for little reason and switches to the Kmd wagon also with little reason other than that he likes bandwagons because they can be usd to gauge reactions and voting patterns. Furthermore I think she tries to create an artificial 'connection' between Kmd and myself, especially where she suggests that I was doing something along the lines of coaching him where she admits there was no evidence.

@Raivann

I'd still like to know if you can give some sort of quantification in your statement in Post 81. Later Raivann claims that he voted Kmd for the apparent trap-like setup of Kmd's RVS call for bandwagon. Question: why didn't you vote at that point? It seems that possibly you waited until a wagon started to form on Kmd before you were willing to act on your suspicions, instead keeping your RVS vote where it was. Expound please?

But Pom's play with Raivann makes it seem less likely that they're buddies as well. Raivann was acting legitimately shady, and Pom has a big post calling her out for that. Now I'm going to have to go reread her stuff as well to see how her stated suspicions evolved to see if Raivann make sense as a scumbuddy with her and Kmd.

Him, Pom tries to link Raivann with Kmd in her post where she FOS' him.

Raivann doesn't explain his CoCo suspicions when asked to, though, not fully, and then it comes out that he suspects CoCo because he's voting Alm, on whom he has a town read, which is bad as pure policy.

Kmd tried to link Pom to Raiv. All right, conclusion here is that Raiv

as scumbuddy

isn't very likely and there should be better suspects for that out there. SK would be another story.

Konowa, however, basically ignores the Kmd-suspicion-wagon when he with it in full force, limiting his comments to sparring with people who either aren't voting him but have him as a top suspect (Lew) or vow to vote him at L-2 (Scope).

Rosso, how strongly do you or do you not suspect me?

Raivann's SK-Scope comment seems to further suggest to me Raivann-SK, partly because I do think he's scummy already, even if interactions with Kmd and Pom make him unlikely Mafia.

I'm not a Vig, for the record.

Vaguely suspecting Konowa and Raivann at the moment. Scumbuddy-wise, I think early bussing of Kmd was unlikely - in fact Konowa, from a purely votecount-record-plus-gut-that--and-early-bus-did-not-take-place-plus-town-got-on-Scope-and-Rosso make Konowa a pretty decent bet.

Vote:Konowa

Isolation read pending; dead Pom wants to use the compuet in a minute so it won't happen right now.

FOS: Raivann

. I too await the hypothetical Vig.

Rereading make me realize how hard I fail when I don't have enough time to do adequate reading. So many more things would have gotten my attention. Pathetic.

are you scum?

[Rosso Carne]

Rosso you've got a point there. But I'm wondering a couple things here. 1) How did the GF get killed? 2)How is that both masons got killed rather than just 1?
The reason i'm wondering the second is because i sent in the kill for Alm. Is it possible that when one gets killed, they both die? In which case, did scum kill the GF? or does someone else have a kill role and killed pom and lew was killed by scum?
Honestly, how the hell that happened, i don't know. It barely makes sense to me. Any enlightenment would be wondrous.

Mmk, so, from what I can tell, there are a few options to what happened last night.

1) scum team kill, vig kill (from xo), some other party kill (another baddie party, another vig, lord knows)
2) mason lovers {as coco said, highly unlikely, esp as the rolename doesnt really account for this, but im not going to count it out}
3) double vig kill and scum team kill {probably reputiated from xo's lack of mention of a second kill}

Thus, the most likely answer is (1). Rounding out simple numbers, I am going to assume that under choice (1) above, there is thus a vig, 2 scum, and some other killing party {probably singular} as there isnt much room for a 3rd scum in a mini.

Follow up on this everyone, xo especially.

[Rosso Carne]

Yes, Konowa, i'm saying i'm a vig.

Rosso you've got a point there. But I'm wondering a couple things here. 1) How did the GF get killed? 2)How is that both masons got killed rather than just 1?
The reason i'm wondering the second is because i sent in the kill for Alm. Is it possible that when one gets killed, they both die? In which case, did scum kill the GF? or does someone else have a kill role and killed pom and lew was killed by scum?
Honestly, how the hell that happened, i don't know. It barely makes sense to me. Any enlightenment would be wondrous.

Mmk, so, from what I can tell, there are a few options to what happened last night.

1) scum team kill, vig kill (from xo), some other party kill (another baddie party, another vig, lord knows)
2) mason lovers {as coco said, highly unlikely, esp as the rolename doesnt really account for this, but im not going to count it out}
3) double vig kill and scum team kill {probably reputiated from xo's lack of mention of a second kill}

Thus, the most likely answer is (1). Rounding out simple numbers, I am going to assume that under choice (1) above, there is thus a vig, 2 scum, and some other killing party {probably singular} as there isnt much room for a 3rd scum in a mini.

Follow up on this everyone, xo especially.

I have a agree with you here. Though i think 2 may be just as likely. It's possible that they may have connected deaths. Though that would wouldn't make sense with the GF dying... hmm.. i dunno most of this i think won't be solved for sure til the end.

@Rai and Konowa: I was getting the impression that he was actively lurking. Like he'd appear long enough to say something so he wouldn't get prodded, say a few sorta relevant things, but then disappear again. I dunno... i just got a semi bad vibe, so that's where i put my kill. I was thinking that i'd give Rai a chance to either redeem himself or dig himself deeper. Of the two, i prefer active players to ones who aren't. Even if they're semi-scummy in my mind. Does that make sense?

mmk just the post i was looking for.

I dont typically do this, but I feel a claim is pretty necessary. I'm actually a vig, and I sent the kill in for pomegranete last night.

If you want to get into the why, just know that I had a pretty good read.

But in that light, I felt like trying to bait the SK out, and I'm 99% sure that worked in getting xo to come out. Please vote for xo now then, and let's get this game over.

[Rosso Carne]

{b]FOS: Xo
FOS: Konowa[/b]

This is very a atypical play and probably not optimal. So what?

I am

Town Doctor

.

I protected Lew last night because KMDscum called him scum. The fact both masons are dead applies to my "lovers" theory. Please don't lynch me today. We still have to catch scum. Direct my actions and we can discover if I'm a "Bad Doc." In which case lynch me tomorrow as I have very little use aside from being vanilla townie.

If there is another Doc, protect me tonight so we can figure out my role.

I DID send a PM to the mod about my confusion over my prtectee being killed to make sure he got the PM. Even said a Yes or No answer is all I needed. He hasn't responded.

This was breadcrumbed enough and wasn't necessary. put a vote on xo please.

[Rosso Carne]

[quote="KaleiÃ

[Rosso Carne]

honeslty, if the game isnt over by then, I will have to do an odds count to see if its beneficial to kill someone at night {my guess is yes, but I need to make sure}

and then just figure out whos scum after that by ear. Night ought to help that.

[Rosso Carne]

Okay, but let's assume me being Doc is not a protection role but an killing one. Yes, it won't matter should we nail the last scum, but it WILL matter if we don't. My role PM says I cannot target myself.

Either we need a sacrificial lame or two scum targets.

thats really not a good assumption to make. If the doc is a killing role, then we have a bastard mod. what your role says is pretty much true.

And if we dont nail the last scum, the we just go another day, just like any game. the main idea honeslty should be to kill the scum dead right now, then have everyone use common sense when using their night abilities, and go into day fully informed.

[Rosso Carne]

unvote;

vote xofelf

Sorry about that yesterday CoCo. Picked up my fiancee and then thought I was going to be able to get back on before I headed out for the evening.

I voted you and said I would support your wagon just by process of elimination. Everyone else I had a town/neutral read on at the time. I expected different play than what happened and was hoping competing wagons would occur, but it did not.

You [CoCo] claiming doc is what I assumed you were hinting at when you said you would. This clears up a number of things for me.

I am also considering that everyone else should claim before the night is over.

nah, worst idea ever, no massclaim. Theres already two kinda confirmed people, any scum left should kill either me or coco. Please leave everything else to tomorrow.

[Rosso Carne]

vote: xofelf

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[Rosso Carne]

RAWR

[Rosso Carne]

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[Rosso Carne]

can he die please

please
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[Rosso Carne]

clearly coco had a good vig, probly on me. sorry coc.

will HAMMAH! my bro.

[Rosso Carne]

yeah, I def would have HAMMAH!'d him too. scopey just had to get one in.

[Rosso Carne]

tyf, could you post the night actions pretty please?

[Rosso Carne]

yeah this town was pretty awesome.

gj guys.

[Rosso Carne]

pom you played just fine. your scum buddies played bad. It wasnt by any of your actions that i realized you were scum, but becasue of kmd