Mini 857 Disney Movie Mafia 2 - The Classics (Roll Credits)

[Gorrad]

Good to see the old faces. Hope I'll live a touch longer this game.

[Gorrad]

Vote: Brandi

I didn't random vote because I didn't see a need to. KMD pointing it out as scummy is utterly ridiculous, but Brandi's agreeing that it's odd is indeed scummy.

[Gorrad]

It's random, yeah? So why not randomly not vote?

[Gorrad]

Gorrad: People random vote because it's what you do in the Random Voting Stage. *shrugs* I wasn't telling you there was anything WRONG with your not voting. Just wanted to know why you didn't. If I can remember correctly, you did random vote in the last game I played with you.

Possible. I do Random Vote time and again. I just didn't feel like it this time.

[Gorrad]

Good to see you too, ZA.

[Gorrad]

KMD, any connections made in the RVS are so easily dismissed, I'd be a fool to fear them.

[Gorrad]

Gorrad: I don't understand your vote on Brandi, as you seem to be voting for her for agreeing with Kmd, and yet you give Kmd a pass. That doesn't really make sense to me. Can you please explain the rationale behind that?

Certainly. KMD did something stupid. Stupid isn't scummy. What is scummy is seeing someone make a stupid early-game attack and agree with them in a non-committal way. This allows the scummy player to jump off if the attack loses steam and push on if it does not.

Gorrad, you say you randomly didn't vote, but it is quite evident that you made a conscious decision not to vote in the RVS, so why would you play it off like that?

Other than a die role, no random vote is truly random. They're all conscious decisions. My post was no different. It was a decision, but my choice to not vote was no more influenced than someone's choice to vote.

[Gorrad]

Can someone sum up the Monkey case for me?

[Gorrad]

So far, I don't see the case on Monkeyman as being better than my Brandi read. If what Semioldguy said is the only strikes against him, he's not worth lynching yet.

Please, for all our sakes, read the first game if you think my D1 lurking is suspect. It's generally what I do.

[Gorrad]

Lurking D1 is not something I do on purpose. It's not a "plan" or "strategy". It's a side-effect. The way I play is by waiting for someone to do something I don't like, then pouncing on them for it. So far, the only person who's done something I really haven't liked is Brandi.

[Gorrad]

I don't "play like scum on purpose". I have a very set gamestyle, and one side-effect of it happens to be anti-town. I catch enough scum with it that I see no reason to change.

Chamber, thanks for having a brain. Brandi's posts trying to further a 100% OMGUS case on me are making me happy with my vote.

[Gorrad]

Starbuck- KMD's probably town, and I'm getting a slight scum lean from Monkey, but other than that it's mostly nulltells at this point. Ask me again D2.

[Gorrad]

I was in 2/3 of those with you Fuzzy. For people who don't like reading, I am seeing no distinguishable difference in Fuzzy's playstyle this game.

[Gorrad]

V/LA for a few days.

I am at the hospital right now, had a really bad back muscle spasm, but they've got me drugged up and feeling better and I'm hoping they send me home within a day or two.

I hope you feel better soon.

I also fully endorse the Starbuck wagon. I agree, Starbuck's hunting has been off this game.

VC please, Mod!

. I don't want to accidentally hammer.

Again.

[Gorrad]

Scratch that!

Just saw there was one above.

Unvote, Vote: Starbuck

[Gorrad]

I think you both just did.

[Gorrad]

For that matter, the flavor could have him mind-controlled by Zerg, jealous of Woody, gone insane over his lack of powers, or just plain confused.

[Gorrad]

Crazy said fakeclaim, then quickly hushed it up. That means he knows you fakeclaimed. That means you fakeclaimed. That means you're both scum.

[Gorrad]

And yeah, if someone came in and claimed "Hercules - Vanilla Townie," then no, I wouldn't say that was a good claim.

Hercules pre-training could be considered vanilla. Or after his powers have been sapped. Or hey, you could just say that his muscles can't be used here.

I'd frankly believe Herc-vanilla over Buzz-vanilla.

[Gorrad]

While I cannot beat Semioldguy, I will point out that my friends and I are fanatics about Kingdom Hearts. The result? We /ALSO/ watch far to much Disney for our own good. I can recite at least one song from almost every movie, and that does include The Three Caballeros, and make a point to not only know each story inside and out but also create backstories for the characters AND histories for them should they be in the Kingdom Hearts universe. My friends and I have been known to break into random roleplaying sessions based on this, including (but not limited to) Lilo and Stitch, Finding Nemo, and Bolt.

I've also created a 78 world list of all possible worlds in the Kingdom Hearts universe.

[Gorrad]

Personally, I think Starbuck's claim is good. It matches the ability nicely in a somewhat unexpected way, which is what you'd expect from a good role PM. And it matches the generality of the role PMs of the last game.

What ability?

[Gorrad]

Neopi, what's your opinion on my RVS behavior, and the resultant anti-Gorrad sentiments?

[Gorrad]

the resultant anti-Gorrad sentiments?

I didn't get that impression from anyone other than Brandi and myself.

I didn't say anyone but y'all had them.

[Gorrad]

I was right for voting them? Does that mean you believe one or more people were scummy then? If so, who?

[Gorrad]

Can anyone besides Starbuck claim to be a movie after 1980(Don't give the actual title, just yes or no)?

Yes.

[Gorrad]

The kill method was 'erased', not 'modkilled'. We have a daykiller, though it's pointless to try and find them as we can't divine if they're vig or SK.

Vote: Starbuck

[Gorrad]

MM: My role, like Toy Story, is from the mid-nineties. So shut up about time period. It's stupid.

[Gorrad]

Starbuck, the question is for MM to fill in this blank. "Peter Pan is a conditional watcher because in the movie he _____________".

[Gorrad]

Gods above and below!

Unvote, Vote: MonkeyMan

Seriously. Provide the bleeding flavor! It's not hard, and your withholding it is scummy as sin.

For those of you keeping track at home, that's L-1

[Gorrad]

Satisfied as soon as you tell me why it was a pro-town thing to withhold that information.

[Gorrad]

Satisfied as soon as you tell me why it was a pro-town thing to withhold that information.

Because I think it was scum that was mostly trying to get it.

Why?

[Gorrad]

Satisfied as soon as you tell me why it was a pro-town thing to withhold that information.

Because I think it was scum that was mostly trying to get it.

Why?

Because Starbuck and Semioldguy are at the top of my scum list.

And it would benefit them how?

[Gorrad]

So they could determine if I was fakeclaiming or not.

This is a reason that benefits town.

QFT

[Gorrad]

Why? You've clearly been in the center of far too much suspicion to be a viable NK target. All scum has to do, assuming you're telling the truth, is put focus on another townie and you're rendered harmless!

Seriously. No sane scum would be putting pressure on you.

[Gorrad]

Your flavor makes sense in accordance with your claim. I really didn't learn anything new about you, but your flavor supports your claim. So I don't understand what was so difficult about that.

Unvote

, for now

I really don't want overzealous townies or scum to quickhammer.

Nice 180 there.

[Gorrad]

Less likely the scum will go after you, yes, but it also means you're more likely to be lynched.

[Gorrad]

Sure it is, MM! For example, my strategy is to wait until someone does something I dislike and pounce on it. There, I said it! Is it now not a strategy?

Now, SCUM strategies I could see following that.

[Gorrad]

LAL is the worst policy ever.

[Gorrad]

So we have a Watcher AND a Watcher/Tracker? I don't buy it.

[Gorrad]

...Hypothesis.

1) This is a mini-theme.
2) We have 12 roles, and no more.
3) The First Disney Movie Mafia, as well as most other similarly themed minis, usually want to draw from as many sources as possible.
4) We have 12 different movies in play.
5) Both Lady and Tramp are not in play.

This leaves us with two possibilities.
1) Neopi is scum.
2) Like Curious George in Weather Mafia 1, 'Tramp' is NOT a character, but is in fact an entirely different game mechanic. (In Weather Mafia, The Man in the Big Yellow Hat could investigate one person a night to try and find Curious George. It was assumed that George was a person, but as it turned out George stayed with whoever sent in a kill that night.)

[Gorrad]

I am against a Starbuck lynch.

Why?

[Gorrad]

her lynch gives us the most information.

MM, explain this.

[Gorrad]

After this exchange, I'm glad I didn't unvote.

[Gorrad]

Vote: Neopi

I'm of the belief that Neopi is new enough to nightkill someone who suspected him.

[Gorrad]

BTW, it bears repeating: I highly doubt both MM and Neopi had the roles they claimed. As MM did, that's another stirke against Neopi.

[Gorrad]

Yay! Thank you, mystery eraser.

Vote: YankCane151

MonkeyMan576 (4) - semioldguy, Neopi, Gorrad, StrangerCoug
Starbuck (3) - Jazzmyn, YankCane151, MonkeyMan576
Neopi (3) - chamber, Starbuck, Crazy

MM had scum on his wagon
Neopi was scum
There's probably scum on the Starbuck wagon (Or starbuck was bussing the GF)
I think Yank is scummier than Jazz.

[Gorrad]

Is that important, Crazy? Do you disagree?

[Gorrad]

If it's not important, I'm not going to answer. It's not set in stone, and I have one or two reasons I'd rather not spell out at the moment.

I have no kind of investigation powers at all.

Yank, it's an old rule that on any town wagon, there will be at least one scum. Starbuck's wagon was one shy of MM's.

[Gorrad]

MM had scum on his wagon
Neopi was scum
There's probably scum on the Starbuck wagon (

Or starbuck was bussing the GF

)
I think Yank is scummier than Jazz.

As I said, Starbuck COULD have been bussing the GF D1. At the moment, I'm assuming to the contrary.

[Gorrad]

As I said, I don't want to answer unless it's important. Jazz, if it puts your mind at ease, I'm relying on you being town. Think and you'll know why. And if anyone thinks this is skirting the issue, it's not. It's laziness. I've been getting scum vibes from Yank, but frankly I'm tired and don't want to go through the trouble just now.

I assumed Starbuck as town because 1) The idea of a third-party daykiller is not set in stone and 2) because it doesn't really matter. Scum is likely on any wagon, it's just a town one that it's nigh-assured. Even if Starbuck was dead scum, I'd still probably have my vote where it is.

[Gorrad]

Geez, Starbuck, I posted on Thursday, I've just been exhausted. Anything you wanted me to talk about?

[Gorrad]

I'm finding myself agreeing on a lot of the points against StrangerCoug, and I'm still unimpressed by much of your D1 behavior (though I do not want to lynch you today).

[Gorrad]

I've already covered that. Read my posts if you want the case.

[Gorrad]

Sorry, y'all, a lot of RL complications have recently sprung up. I'm going to be V/LA until Monday, but I'll do this game justice then : ).

[Gorrad]

K, I'm back. Justice coming Today (Monday) after sleep on a bed, as opposed to a sleeping bag.

[Gorrad]

I'm about halfway through the thread. Should be done with it tomorrow : D

[Gorrad]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 81#1967181

[Gorrad]

Ok! I've caught up on every game but this one. Kickass super readthrough post on its way!

[Gorrad]

I've been on a Monkey Island binge, so this read is taking longer than anticipated.

[Gorrad]

I have cleared my schedule tomorrow. I swear, this read WILL be completed.

[Gorrad]

To prove I've got SOMETHING:

For conveniance's sake, I will not be pointing out anything regarding dead players unless it relates to an alive player.

33: I still say this is scummy. Brandi's doing an obvious fencesitting ploy here, not taking a solid stand.

59: Crazy seems to be in the wrong here. 60 points it out well.

76: Early VC. Five votes on MM. All five are still alive. Not much help here.

78: Scratch that. Jazz was on the MM wagon, but withdrew this late in it. Much town points.

114: Bad vibes off this. Seems to be just a placeholder 'let's lynch this guy' post.

135/6: Have some truth to them. Semioldguy was doing serious lurking, and was on the MM wagon.

171: Interesting use of words. "I got us out of RVS". I'd...say town points for Starbuck.

225: Another VC, still five votes on MM. One of them is Fuzzy-scum. I'd put money on there being another scum on there. (Starbuck, SC, Crazy, Semi)

237: Semi's post is full of fail. You call this a case on MM? Seriously?

257: Also full of fail. I really don't like Brandi's play here.

261: I like this one. No real town points, but I like it.

263: Considering Semi's tunneling at this point, I find it hypocritical he's asking for KMD's full list.

More to come today. Also, it should be noted that early D2 when I stated suspicion of Starbuck, I was being tired and stupid. I had swapped Brandi and Starbuck mentally, and didn't catch my mistake until this reread.

[Gorrad]

Hey, Gorrad, the last post where you told us your thoughts about anything was #939, and that's me being lenient on you. Are you really that far behind?

Yes.

[Gorrad]

Monkey was scummy. This does not excuse the fact that he was town. Town wagons are to be analyzed, just as any other.

[Gorrad]

Hey, Gorrad, the last post where you told us your thoughts about anything was #939, and that's me being lenient on you. Are you really that far behind?

Yes.

Wait... You've been in the game from the start and the replacements (curiouskarmadog & I) are waiting on *you* to get caught up?

QFT.

This makes me feel like you really are just floating along.

Vote: Gorrad

Hold on now, you have to explain to me how that's scummy. I'm not lurking, I'm genuinely behind. It's not like I'm seeing everything and just not commenting, I'm just busy as sin.

[Gorrad]

Last sentence of 1126, Starbuck ><

I'm on V/LA until Sunday. This will be the only game where it'll be noticed, as I've caught up in everything else, but tomorrow I'm throwing a party, and the day after I go out of town for a job interview.