Mini 863 - Space Station Mafia: GAME OVER - EVERYONE'S DEAD

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/confirm

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Vote: Hiphop

over reaction to a backed up joke.

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By the way. Does anyone know how many scum there are? Isn't it usually 33%?

About. 25% is probably closer, I think.

In a 12 player game at least.

(Now a six player game? Normally 33%)

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Unvote

Vote: Messiah

I've got faith in this wagon.

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Because of his hypocrisy in voting me. The reasons he used were such a double-standard,

That's a good enough reason for a lynch?

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Because of his hypocrisy in voting me. The reasons he used were such a double-standard,

That's a good enough reason for a lynch?

Hiphop: Sposh said that he wanted to lynch him due to that. I know that he likely won't be.

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Day One Vote Count #4 - as of post 196

Messiah (5):

Hoopla, Empking, milkshake, AlmasterGM

Hoopla (2):

NewAgeWarrior, Messiah

charlatan (1):

hiphop

CooLDoG (1):

Peabody

hiphop (1):

Sposh

milkshake (1):

CooLDoG

Not Voting (1):

Coco

Reminder: With 12 people still alive it takes seven votes to lynch.

Also, Coco has been prodded.

Is the Messiah count right?

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Unvote

I still think Hiphop is more scummy than most but I have to say I don't like Peeabody's actions and how they effected the Messiah wagon.

Vote: Peabody

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Unvote

Reading him in ISO suggests I was wrong. (Though his posts did help reduce the effect of the Messiah bandwagon there isn't enough of them to suggest there's an intent to reduce the Messiah bandwagon.)

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I am getting really bad vibes from Empking due to his recent post hopping. It seems he didn't have much reason at all to vote for Peabody, and then went and unvoted in his next post, basicly saying after he read the ISO he felt different, but to me if feels like he isn't paying attention.

I believe he had three posts three posts since the Messiah wagon started to get big.

One post to unvote and the other two giving him an excuse not to join it. That's something and just reading the thread makes it seem like a bigger something that it was.

I don't really have any major suspicions.

Cool: What's your second main reason for voting Hip Hop.

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Peabody: What are your thoughts on Messiah?

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Vote; Messiah

Play based on actions in regards to hip hop.

Messiah, what are your thoughts on Milkshake.

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EBWODP:

@Empking: Why weren't you voting

at the end of

D1?

Fixed.

I didn't find anyone overly scummy.

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Sorry for not posting a whole lot guys. Currently, I think the charlatan and alamaster back and forth is intriguing, and based on yesterday's wagon, I would think that either Alamaster or milkshake is scum because they were the last ones on the bandwagon!

Bussing seems to be the scumtell of the month. Why do people not look at those NOT on the wagon after a scum lynch?

Because they do?
Because then you're looking at almost half the town?

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Empking tends to lurk and post one-liners as both alignments, but I think we have enough information to work with here. I'm yet to run numbers on it, but I suspect it's a relatively common scum tactic to drop a vote on a partner early, which is how I read Empking's first vote;

Vote: Hiphop

over reaction to a backed up joke.

This is backed up with the rest of his play toward hiphop, which serves to cast suspicion, but never further his wagon. This way it gives him an out in the event, he can't find a lynch elsewhere. Here is a good example;

Unvote

I still think Hiphop is more scummy than most but I have to say I don't like Peeabody's actions and how they effected the Messiah wagon.

Vote: Peabody

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Empking's main interest was Messiah throughout Day 1, which is where his vote was more often than not. He left his wagon once hiphop's started to pick up, and he fizzled into the background toward the end of D1, where he did not make another vote. This is rather suspicious, considering he'd been keen to put forth his suspicion on hiphop earlier.

He's now conveniently using hiphop's flip to incriminate Messiah, which is interesting, because his suspicions yesterday seem independant of hiphop/Messiah being scum together.

My question to Empking is, would you still find Messiah suspicious if hiphop flipped town?

FoS; Hoopla

Saying "Never furthered the wagon" when he knows for a fact I did even though I wasn't on the wagon at the time of the lynch.

I probably would have found Messiah scummy.

Cool: Were we close to a deadline?
Did I spend the majority of the day without a vote?
Or did I just not have a vote on someone for a couple of days (including when Hiphop was lynched)?

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Cool: Do you want a No Lynch?

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Messiah; He's certainly scummy but not the scummiest.

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Char: Messiah, barely.

Char; Hoopla's case is clearly a lie since it was refuted even by the quotes he himself provided. Why do you think its a good case?

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Char: Messiah, barely.

Char; Hoopla's case is clearly a lie since it was refuted even by the quotes he himself provided. Why do you think its a good case?

How do the quotes provided refute it?

By showing me vote him.

Saying "Never furthered the wagon" when he knows for a fact I did even though I wasn't on the wagon at the time of the lynch.

How did you further the wagon?

By voting on it.

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@Empking: Your vote didn't further the hiphop wagon at all; you voted him long before there was a wagon on him and never voted him again.

I hadn't noticed that the Hiphop wagon completely vanished. You're right.

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FoS: Hoopla

for derailing the Hiphop bandwagon.

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FoS: Hoopla

for derailing the Hiphop bandwagon.

I think you're forgetting I was one of the prime reasons why hiphop's wagon was reignited, and when it did, you were nowhere to be seen. Are you seriously FoS'ing me for this when your ties with hiphop are awful?

You don't think actively derailing a bandwagon on scum is scummy?

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What's scummy about 394?

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Unvote

I still think Hiphop is more scummy than most but I have to say I don't like Peeabody's actions and how they effected the Messiah wagon.

Vote: Peabody

All I have found so far of hoop dis-railing the wagon emp king you are looking worse and worse, and your posts look more like bullshit every look. gtg eat, re reading next begains at page 11.

That's not Hoop's, that's mine. And doesn't involve Hiphop in anway.

I have my reasons, but it's in my interests not to reveal them yet. More Messiah votes please.

That's Hoopla's post.

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Unvote

Vote; Cooldog

Messiah probably isn't scum and Cool is not scumhunting but just... well look at 402. He ignores questions and his main scumhunting is "You weren't voting for two days" which he made when he hadn't voted for at least three days.

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Emp king emp king emp king, look that was actually before the wagon, and yes that wa your post. All from page (about) 5-11 you did not want any votes on hip hop, you voted for other people, then it came off now as OMFG hoopla derailed the hiphop wagon. Look at who the hell didn't vote on the hip hop wagon.

Why do you keep expressing disbelief at Hoopla derailing the Hiphop wagon without responding to actual points?

If voting for people other than Hiphop means you're scum then most players are scum.

Hiphop was the biggest wagon before Hoopla derailed it, then when Hiphop was shown to be a liability to the scum Hoopla stops defending him and starts attacking him.

Empking:
point blank ??? that I want a yes/no and then a comma, and why:
was your last vote omgus?

No, reasons.

if not why just a one- or two liner?

Cases that go on longer than that start to point out null tells.

why did you not vote when you yourself said that peaboy was worse then hip hop and then you un voted?

I didn't like the degree of the wagon and was reviewing it.

is with-holding a vote scummy?

No, unless you're calling people scummy for withholding a vote while doing the same.

did you not hoopla vote sckipped around atleast 5 times within just a few pages?

Yes.

if yes why did you not point that out?

I didn't find it scummy.

are ou forced by somone to make short posts?

No.

did you actually re-read the topic?

Just the relevant parts.

did you not that hoopla was (I know) still bluffing at the time of post?

Are you saying that Hoopla didn't derail the Hiphop bandwagon and was just pretending he did?

He lied in order to derail the Hiphop wagon, that's all that really matters.

Why do you think that the fact that Hoopla was bluffing is relevant?

did you also know that hoop actually had a vote on hip-hop?

While he was derailing the wagon or when he was bussing?

No to the first, yes to the second.

did you note that if you flip scum you just made me look like a towny?

Are you threatening me in order to stop me voting you?

did you know that I could ask this much and not be scum hunting?

Definately. its all in the intent.

did you also know that I am scumhunting more then you?

You're not, so leading question.

did you know this post is not one line?

So every post I've made has been one line?

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Cooldog has posted 8 more than one line posts today.

I've posted ten.

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Hoopla:

Next, after a reveal my message, I am the first the kickstart hiphop's wagon which is something Empking neglects to mention in his post. Because I get the impression he isn't reading the thread, I will link the post.

I never said.

Hiphop was the biggest wagon before Hoopla derailed it, then when Hiphop was shown to be a liability to the scum Hoopla stops defending him and starts attacking him.

Then?

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So you're not going to repond to my point? Or going to give a reason for why you're lying?

Two random votes isn't a wagon.

Three votes where at least one is given for a serious reason is a wagon.

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Plus the Hoopla wagon remained strong throughout.

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Empking, what has changed your mind about Messiah. This is you earlier this day;

Vote; Messiah

Play based on actions in regards to hip hop.

Messiah, what are your thoughts on Milkshake.

Char: Messiah, barely.

And this is you now;

Unvote

Vote; Cooldog

Messiah probably isn't scum and Cool is not scumhunting but just... well look at 402. He ignores questions and his main scumhunting is "You weren't voting for two days" which he made when he hadn't voted for at least three days.

Explain this to me please.

Messiah's day two actions.

Milkshake; There was a wagon on Hiphop early in the game, true or false? Hoopla derailed it, true or false?

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I'm really not liking Empking's insistence that Hoopla derailed an active bandwagon vs Hiphop. Two of the votes were completely random. Empking's third vote on Hiphop was not.

One thing I would like to note is I kept my vote on hiphop for a reason after my random vote, so I don't think you can legitimately call 2 of the first votes on hiphop to be random at the time Hoopla derailed it.

My spat with Empking is more that there wasn't really an active bandwagon on hiphop. There is no indication that the hiphop wagon was going to grow at that point. I would say that if anyone interrupted the hiphop wagon, it would be CoCo's "this caught my eye" post on milkshake. Messiah and CooLDog followed immediately.

They weren't part of the wagon. There's no real doubt in my mind that the Hiphop wagon would have grown.

Cooldog: Hoopla isn't my arch rival. I'm voting you because you're more likely to be scum than Hoopla, and It wasn't OMGUS bcause there were reasons. "Reasons" Multiple points pointing to one thing being correct or the correct course of action.

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Messiah:

Three questions. All serious.

1. Have you heard of bussing?
2. Do you deny that Hiphop had three votes, the majority of which were serious near the beginning of the game?
3. Do you deny that Hoopla softclaimed and when she did so, the wagon on Hiphop vanished?

Milkshake: Same questions plus three more.
4. Do you deny that Hoopla mislead the town in her softclaim?
5. Do you deny that Hoopla mislead the town, derailing the wagon on scum?
6. do you think its a leap to say: Hoopla mislead the town in orsder to derail the wagon on scum?

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I dod see the agm meta and it looks to me like he played the exact smae way in some/ if not most of his games. I don't think one-liners is good for a lynch nether is a lurk for a d-2 lynch, but as you may know he is at l-2 which could mean that we can get some information from him, and with that might
A)lynch him
B)not lynch him and take our chances
C)lynch on the info he gives
D)lynch him and IF (caps not to signify I think he is scum or not) he flips town we lynch next on his advice


As for empking, why do you still have your vote on me, more over why do you have your vote on. This time I don't want some type of gay answer, I want a nice straight one, is that too much too much to ask?

I have my vote because somebody is scummy.
I'm voting you because you're scum.

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Messiah;

Unvote

Vote; Cooldog

[cut] and Cool is not scumhunting but just... well look at 402. He ignores questions and his main scumhunting is "You weren't voting for two days" which he made when he hadn't voted for at least three days.

My points as can be seen in

the post where I voted him

There's also his refusal to read the thread, acting like he and Hoopla are scumbuddies, his lying, refusing to responbd to the case and only going "Its OMGUS."

Cool:

1) You're scum.

Messiah:

Oh yeah and he keeps on active lurking by merely asking the same question over and over again when he gets an answer.

Cool:
2) Read what I said to Messiah, or any of my other posts where I vote you.
3) Not a question.
4) You're lying again.

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Al: Give us two responses from Sposh to your case and tell us why they're scummy.

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Cool, I have voted AGM at all this day.

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EBWOP


Cool, I have

n't

voted AGM at all this day.

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So torn... vanilla townie claim is lynchable, but I

really

think we should be bandwagoning Messiah.

We are not lynching Al just because he claimed Vanilla.

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Howard, you lost me taking you seriously by acting like the first hiphop wagon was a false wagon. Also by acting like 2 votes compared to 4 is a tipping point.

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One thing I would like to note is I kept my vote on hiphop for a reason after my random vote, so I don't think you can legitimately call 2 of the first votes on hiphop to be random at the time Hoopla derailed it.
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Howard; This post doesn't exist?

And Sposh puts Messiah on 4 and no comment, I do it and I put it past the "tipping point"? God, i wonder why I got your made up term wrong.

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The reason I didn't want to look bad is because in anther game I played I knew for sure that one person was scum. I voted him with good reasons, but because it was not the bandwagon vote people ended up hating me, thus I racked up huge scun points. Then when the guy fliped mafia Role block, they still lynched me. (btw the guy the lynched instead of the mafia roleblock was the town doc.)

So I decided to start looking good so I don't get lynched for no reson other then "your not pro town because you don't vote for the wagon".

The name of the game?

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Peabody: Leaving Hiphop to follow Hoopla.

Sposh: Cooldog is a hoopla buddy, hypocrite, appearance carer, question ignorer who ignores questions and cases.

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I meant, I'm torn between which one of them is scum. I still think one of CD/Emp is scum... but my feelings towards Messiah from yesterday still stand.

Top three suspects?

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^^^^ agree need deadline. post more latter, told you guys empking had some scummy sides,

How so?

HR is clearly faking the reaction to my post, it was posted three days ago after all.

HR: How does tripple wagons cure the problems caused by two wagons?

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@Empking:

Three days ago, but between my previous post and my comment post. == FAIL.

That doesn't change my point. It just means you're a lurker.

I haven't increased the number of wagons, just interchanged a player with three votes and a player with two votes. == FAIL

so I made the mistake on presuming you would lie about something so easily checkable?
Believing town wouldn't lie isn't "FAIL" so I presume you're claiming scum?

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this failing dual wagons scenario isn't working out well.

I presumed that by giving it as a reason you had it as a reason.

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Looker: Why am I scum?

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- Nor was a lot of the town.
- Surely that means that one of Cooldog and Sposh is scum as well? If that's the case then it'd make sense that CoolDog is the scum there. (He had been joint at three for longer than anyone.)

Sposh and Al are town. Cool is scum.

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Looker: I'm not equal with Cool either so your case is

"I wasn't on hiphop's final wagon." along with you so are you scum too?

Plus none of the players are on a hiphop bandwagon now because "it doesn't exist any more" so you don't have anything really.

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Looker: I'm not equal with Cool either so your case is

"I wasn't on hiphop's final wagon." along with you so are you scum too?

Plus none of the players are on a hiphop bandwagon now because "it doesn't exist any more" so you don't have anything really.

Uh-uh. You and Cool were tied for the lynch and I picked you over Cool because Cool was on HipHop's wagon and you weren't. And the second part's kind of silly, so I don't know what you mean.

You ignored the Cool/Sposh equal "because it doesn't exist any more" but nor does the Hiphop wagon.

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But of course the HipHop wagon doesn't exist anymore because HipHop is dead. HipHop is

still

dead; however, Cool and Sposh are not still tied for votes. Is it a flaw in my logic that you've realized or a matter of semantics? I actually thought you'd be more concerned with me choosing you over CoolDog or Milkshake's recent vote on you than a matter of wording.

I'm trying to see if you're bad or scum.

But, either way, you

did

mention Sposh and earlier you did state that he and CoolDog were Mafia and that Almaster was town.

When?

So, acting on this, would you be willing to change your vote to Sposh?

Cool is scummier.

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Those two quotes don't contradict each other.

Hoopla; How was my "play serves to cast suspicion on hiphop, but never to further his wagon."?

Unvote

Vote: Sposh

Hoopla and Cool are still the scum but Sposh has a greater chance than me.

Charlatan; What's scummier.
1. Not being on a wagon on scum.
2. Dismantalling a wagon on scum and then clearly bus them later when they prove to be useless.

I am a Passive Astronaut AKA a vanilla townie.

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Unvote

Vote: Cool

He's still scummier.

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Vote: Looker

I agree with Hoopla basically.

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Note: Replacements did not receive the original role titles, nor were they informed about them.

When I replaced into this game my role PM included the flavored and standard role name.

Hm. I guess this means we should be lynching HowardRoark? I'm suprised scum would just up and lie like that, though.

No. At most it means that if Looker is town and the mod doesn't clarify we should consider lynching Roark.