Mini 873 Plainview Game Over

[SpyreX]

Psh. RVS votes are laaameee.

Especially when there's obvious mafia right here.

Vote: Cruelty

[SpyreX]

You missed something important. It wasn't die. It was killed.

Now, semantics blah blah but - why would one assume killed over lynched?

There's one reason that sure springs to mind. Guess what it is?

Unvote, Vote: AlmasterGM

[SpyreX]

Ohh snap, we done had a lot of words. Benmage should have a tear in his eye.

"Killed" is all-inclusive - it could be night-killed, day-killed, mod-killed, or lynched (which is a form of killing). I don't discriminate. It's ironic that you say "semantics blah blah" and then proceed to MAKE a semantics argument - bit of a contradiction, no?

Killed is not all inclusive, or if one will it makes far more sense as a slip of the tongue (there would not have been the same issue if it were "I hope you die in the game soon").

Killed in mafioso language has a fairly specific connotation and using it like you did supports that.

There is no irony. I was stating that this is based on a semantical tell.

The fact that, in conjunction, the case thrown out about reading other players is about as shaky as one could get, well.

And, yes, I hold the "killed" to be more of a scumslip than the case.

[SpyreX]

Three questions for the generally fabulous SpyreX:

1. Are you neglecting this game in favor of other games?
2. Do you have anything to contribute outside your iffy "killing" argument?
3. Do you really buy that "killing" argument yourself? It seems like a stretch to me. Yes, maybe coupled with other things it could be a scumtell, but on its own?

To be more direct:

Even if it were true that killed has a specific connotation ("nightkilled" presumably?) do you believe the "I hope" mediates that somewhat since he's not saying, "I can't wait to kill you," but rather, "I hope someone kills you?" (The only major issue I think you may be tracing is that by saying "I hope you get killed quickly," if he means nightkilled, he's assuming that archaebob isn't Mafia himself. An assumption he can only make if he knows the role - ie: If he himself is Mafia. This seems like a bit of a stretch, but I could buy that case.)

1.) A little bit. This game is a bit -dense- for my time as of the moment. Fast is one thing but this one has some serious WORDS that takes time to parse and then I start and get sidetracked. That will change.

2.) Contribute to the mass wave of business? Not currently - I'll freely admit I need to READ the last few pages and not simply SKIM them.

3.) The killing argument? Hoss yes I do - keep in mind it IS coupled with the whole "You are scum because you've been reading other players" business.

The "I hope" can't mediate that since if he said "I can't wait to kill you" he'd already be lynched. Kill has a clear connotation that is a part of the night action side and he IS implying a kill which, like you said, has the assumation that he is mafia and archae isn't.

And, of course, the fact the statement itself was overkill to begin with.

But you want posts? I'll done get you posts.

[SpyreX]

Well, I did opt to take some time and reread this thread.

And, I still think I'm right. However, there's a much simpler solution to this because methinks I done found a connection. (Keep in mind later the VC in 140, I think its going to be telling).

Unvote, Vote Foilist13

The rationales for not moving that vote when a simple "Huh, I was retarded (swap vote)" is absolutely unnecessary heel digging.

If that wasn't enough:

1) I usually find someone to vote for before I stop voting for someone else.

2) You were not in any danger of being lynched

3) You had started to make a case against me, so at that point my vote essentially became a OMGUS vote while I tried to defend myself. Then I built my case against muffin and changed my vote accordingly.

Justification for a misvote AFTER the fact? No. Not buying it.

This is lynchworthy. Further, if I'm right about this, Alamaster works out pretty solid as a partner so.

Further, on a different front, the Muffin-China dialogues reek of town on town.

[SpyreX]

I hope to God SpyreX is Town, because if he isn't, I'm scared to death.

No, seriously though - I'm leaning town on you, china / muffin are probably town, and I don't think this was a bus so a Al flip means cleared Bobby.

And foilist is scum. Who I think played the hand a bit hard to bolster a buddies case and then opted to not back down for ???

[SpyreX]

Finally, regarding the Foilist BW, I don't get a strong scum feeling from him. To be honest, I don't think a scum would act in this way on the first day. This could of course be taken into WIFOM so I'm not claiming him town but I wouldn't advocate a D1 lynch on Foilist just yet. Others have acted scummy as well.

Lets take a pause.

This isn't a function of WIFOM or playstyles or whatever.

You are saying you don't think scum would make a mistake and then be obstinate about it.

Is this the stance you are taking.

You say "others have acted scummy" without saying who/what/when/where/why.

[SpyreX]

I'm not saying scum wouldn't make a mistake. I'm simply saying I don't think that's the type of mistake that scum would make. As for others having acted scummy, I've already had a previous post on it, and I'm sure there is plenty of other examples you can find in the 8 pages of posts. I didn't think I needed to justify my comment with a whole recap of the 8 pages.

You said that Gamma is buddying up with Mordy.
You voted for Archae for 1.) leading questions 2.) Lack of content (active lurking) 3.) Claiming foilist is ignoring questions 3.) voting without reason.

So, your "others have acted scummy" means Archae (which is in no small part in relation to Foil interaction) and Gamma (who, oddly enough, was your random)?

Thats fair enough. As for "plenty of other examples" - I can and have found them but yours pretty much is that.

@Spyrex, what do you make of Mordy's comment (post 166) about being scared to death if you weren't town? I'm relatively new to the site so I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take that as you being a strong player here in MafiaScum, but I for one will not be intimidated.

MordyS's post I assume is a fist-pump for the last game we were in which happened to be one of my better performances.

And, just because it needs to be last:

I'm not just giving Foilist the benefit of the doubt, you have it as well. I'm not claiming you're scum, but my vote is on you because I still have my suspicions. If you were to pursue your line of thinking, I shouldn't be voting anyone at all, correct? That is not the intention of me giving the benefit of the doubt. I just won't get tunnelling someone because of one seemingly scummy action and blow it out of proportion.

I don't even know what to think about this. Every bit of it reeks scummy.

No way in hell the whole scumteam would jump out though, right? It just doesn't make sense. If I was a vig... yea. You know the drill.

It doesn't make me want to lynch Foil any less though.

[SpyreX]

Bad habit - if I'm only quoting one person I forget to.

I'll try and keep up on it though.

[SpyreX]

@ Spyrex - I'm just curious, why would you prefer to lynch foilist right now than peanut man?

Peanutman just doesn't make sense. The fact that it ties into all this other stuff is eye raising but foil still is winning the race.

Foil's business is scummy. This whole new approach is starting to have the stink of looking for any way out.

Of course, if we ended up lynching peanut I wouldn't shed a tear. I will stand strong NOW on preferring Foilist.

Its Foilist - Ala - Peanut at the mo.

[SpyreX]

Foilist, don't worry. I'll give you the full-fledged wall post of a case you deserve before we get around to lynching you.

Spyrex, here's something you might want to look at. Foil was cop in this game, and got himself lynched with a slip up in the third line or so of the post I've linked you to. His play from that point was as idiotically stubborn and as scummy looking as it has been in this game. I tunneled him, and we lynched him pretty quickly; the catch, though, is that he was actually town.

Therefore, I'm not actually positive that foilist is scum. It is clear to me though that he hasn't learned his lesson from that game, and is therefore somewhat useless to the town.

I'm not gonna say I give a whole lot of credence to meta in general. Scummy play gets lynched. Period. I find this play scummy and his posts afterwards aren't changing that.

However, welcome to the land of "Confirmed Town". Population bob. Seriously. A++ would post again.

[SpyreX]

....

I have no words. Note that we just had a unnecessary claim in there too.

[SpyreX]

Mordy, will you be my bff this game? <3

While I'm not sure what the hell gamma was playing at with that case I find the reaction to it even better.

By better I mean lets do this.

The post above me could be in the wiki for "fencesitting".

[SpyreX]

Obv-buddying is noted.

But I was trying to hide it soo well.

I'm anxious to see what bob's gonna pull out.

[SpyreX]

Boo on meta. BOO ON IT.

Its a good thing you're town or I would lose my mind.

Early bandwagons = good is a matter of taste and not alignment. It, in fact, can help both sides based on who the wagon IS and what comes from it.

[SpyreX]

Fair enough. Just saying its pretty much unnecessary as the argument itself - "early bandwagons are scummy" is moonbeams.

No need to fuss that all up with filthy meta.

[SpyreX]

Of course I don't KNOW but that doesn't change the fact that I know.

Note: watching a wagon all up ons someone who has pulled the towniest move I've seen in a damn long time is amazing.

I'm not "accomplishing" anything. Stating my reads is all.

[SpyreX]

Pretty on the spot *SHOCK*.

However, I'll add a caveat: I'm in no way convinced that foil is town.

That factor doesn't change the fact that bob's manuever makes 100% sense as town and absolutely minimal as scum regardless of foil's alignment.

[SpyreX]

Ohh this game.

@Mordy:

The issue with foilist isn't a question of "stupid or stubborn" it, really, reeks of a chainsaw that was more focused on the defensive versus actually finding scum - the stubborn came in after the fact.

---

There's two scenarios where I could see bob as scum and both are VERY unlikely. I'm absolutely flabbergasted at the votes there.

I want Foil or GM lynched today.

[SpyreX]

Archaebob (4) afatchic, peanutman, AlmasterGM, cruelty

This list contains scum. This is guaranteed. Hats will be eaten.

Oddly enough peanuts last few posts make me feel LESS worried about him.

Afatchic is lurking it up and this needs to stop. HOWEVER, I will hold umbrage to bob's statement that lurker pressure > scummy behavior. Since, again, still, for the first time and the last time GM is scummy up ins AND is up on this wagon.

[SpyreX]

I can't believe you're making me do this. FINE.

Lets get this party started. I give you: Scum Ex Machina.

Hey guys, first game I've played on here, so I'll start this off with a Vote:AlmasterGM for having a Pikachu avatar when Jigglypuff is clearly superior.

Ok, seriously - how did you know I had a Pikachu avatar when I haven't made any posts in the thread yet? The fact that you posses this information means you went and looked at past games of the other players in this game, which is an extremely stretchy move as town when you're only on page one. NOBODY does that. I think it's more likely that you're scum scoping out your victims so you know how to avoid their scumhunting techniques.

Serious Vote: Gammagooey Who said the RVS wasn't useful?

This has been over some (and I'm not going to get into that tooo much) but there's something else we need to notice. I'm not going to spoil it yet, but there's a reason I went to all that extra effort to put the second quote in.

"Killed" is all-inclusive - it could be night-killed, day-killed, mod-killed, or lynched (which is a form of killing). I don't discriminate. It's ironic that you say "semantics blah blah" and then proceed to MAKE a semantics argument - bit of a contradiction, no?

The last line, again, watch for the pattern it dost weave.

It absolutely is scummy - Town don't read up on all the other players in the game before the game has even started. That is a scum move. What is absolutely more scummy, though, is this "bandwagons early good" argument you are presenting. It has the opposite effect of what you say it does - rather than clarify where people stand, it lets everyone hide in the mob and brings us dangerously close to an early lynch based on practically nothing. Terrible plan.

This one moves a bit, but its snuck in the middle. We'll keep on.

Yeah whatever, your excuse is noted. There's bigger fish to fry at this point anyway, like Mordy. As far as archae goes, I don't care whether he agrees with me or not - people agreeing with me doesn't make me like them. Moreover, as you should know if you've read some of my past games, I judge quickly and with extreme prejudice.

(Note: At this point the vote still is on Gamma).

So, we get a dab of meta to try and add the right salt content to this spicy dish of slam-dashery. The early game was dominated with slashes at anyone who suspected him. There's a word for that in the mafia vernacular that just escapes me.... hmmm....

Well, yea, that's not a telling story in and of itself, but lets look at a few other key pieces.

So, we get us a nice little time lapse and then MEGAPOST that most of I've gotta let slide for now (hint: bob, respond so this can be brought to the table).

I was a cop in that game, so I had to play conservatively. Read some of my vanilla town games. Honestly, though, there is really nothing to be gained from this - if I was scum, I wouldn't be playing to my scum meta.

Now, I know looking at that makes you want to scream WIFOM WIFOM (because actually its more relevant here than in most places) but that isn't the main issue: the problem with this it implicitly is saying how useless meta is yet he drops the Mordy line based on...meta (well, drop isn't fair he says he "doesn't like him" much like the "I told you so" in relation to Gamma once THAT wasn't going to get traction).

So, yea, we've got whiplash OMGUS (justified by meta), dropped cases (but not suspicions) and a self-aware meta player utilizing meta for their ends.

However, that isn't the strongest case *SHOCK*. A good portion of it is pure, sweet gut looking at the ebb and flow of play in relation to the amount of activity on him.

That, and the last couple posts of mine were TRYING to see if I could even get a nibble from him but, alas.

It ultimately boils down to a pinch of information and a big ol dab of risk/reward:

1.) For no reason GM insinuated heavily enough that he was vanilla that there is no way I'd buy anything but.
2.) Foilist's bizarro world vote on someone who was after GM really sits wrong with me and one being scum is going to be a power lynch of the other.

So, what are we looking at here in the clinical terms:

If town, its a VT, the minimal damage done by a mislynch.
If scum, there's a beautiful connection just waiting to get lynched as well.

Unvote, Vote: GM

God, I really thought I did that before.

[SpyreX]

Sup Zeets

See, you are right that I'll try and run a game when I have to. I've got nothing but good vibes from bob and right now its his show. Same with Mordy.

And you should know better about meta, sheesh.

And you mentioned the other big problem with this game. Its a secret what it is.

[SpyreX]

Been a busy couple days, sorry for the absence.

As for my thoughts, so for nothing has dissuaded me from thinking that GM is scum and if that is true foil is my pick for a partner.

Peanut, once active, gives me decent vibes.

I'm sad to see a muffin replacement - again, muffin had that down to town feel.

As much as I'm cool with lurker hunting I think we're missing the trees for the forest - I am voting for lynch.

[SpyreX]

This'll be a fun one.

I

like

your case on peanut. I like the methodology and the things you've brought up are surface-level scummy.

However, I don't think its caught a scum. Maybe I need a reread to give a better explanation why but the earlier posts by peanut didn't have that itchy feeling I get from both GM and foil.

Now, the biggest thing I will take issue with (in agreement with you) in that whole case that you brought up is the bizarre interaction with "I don't want to lynch foil today" versus "bob is a great lynch".

That doesn't add up. Not one bit.

[SpyreX]

Let me be a bit more clear before I embark on this:

Individually

, I don't find Peanut to be that scummy. However, I see ties to both GM AND Foil.

So, if I am right and GM is scum AND foil is scum then, yea, peanut makes the most sense.

If I am wrong about GM/Foil then I wouldn't find peanut as scummy. Most of it is circumstantial thus far.

But, if you want me to go dig I will.

[SpyreX]

On this page we see some major bussing.

Wow, this is in no way helpful to the town. I can understand people being too busy to re-read at times or build a case. But to say you won't because the thread is "muddled", that's beyond me. Whether town or scum, I wouldn't want you around if you're just

going to be swayed by the town

one way or another without doing any of the leg work.

Hmmmmmm

[SpyreX]

This game is too complicated. I might go back and re-read, but this thread is more muddled than the original text of Beowulf, so I'm just going to wait for a wagon to formulate and then decide whether I like it or not.

Now, again, lets really look at this.

First off, nothing in this besides the sheer :headdesk: of the statement itself would make one believe that this is a joke. Nor, of course, is there a punchline or even any real game-related humor in it.

So, the statement itself seems off. However, it sure DOES do something:

Wow, this is in no way helpful to the town. I can understand people being too busy to re-read at times or build a case. But to say you won't because the thread is "muddled", that's beyond me. Whether town or scum, I wouldn't want you around if you're just going to be swayed by the town one way or another without doing any of the leg work.

Unvote, vote : AlmasterGM. AGM now at L-2.

Almaster, if my vote wasn't already on you I'd vote you again. That last comment was ridiculous. Go get a replacement if you don't want to play.

Haha. Massive FOS @ AGM.

I don't understand why you'd say that, it's almost like you want to be lynched.

Yea. Like I said then. There is some major bussing going on.

That throwaway statement was an over-the-top excuse for some power voting (and suspicion) up ins.

IF GM is scum at LEAST one of those three is scum.

[SpyreX]

@Cruelty:

Yes, my game is off this game. However, my issues with peanut and scummy/not scummy are a function of his interactions with Foil / GM who I find both to be individually scummy and collectively sense making as partners.

#7 was my reference to a peanut post in reference to foil. That was super scummy.

Then there was a break in his posts, then activity that made a lot more sense and gave me good vibes.

Then there was MEGABUS the vote after GM's :explode:

(And I made a case on GM, not Gamma)

[SpyreX]

I'm tired of the feet dragging.

I want a GM lynch. I'm kinda floored by Sanjay's defense at this point in the game, but hey drawin lines is awesome regardless.

We're rehasing old ground and need a flip to keep on pluggin on. I'm absolutely not buying the "VT gambit" and thus I don't even care about a claim :O

Lets get this party started.

[SpyreX]

If I'm reading the dense words right there has been insinuation that the vanilla claim was not in fact an ACTUAL claim but instead designed to ???

Which is woooosh

[SpyreX]

Hey, they've worked.

[SpyreX]

I'll freely admit that the words and who they are coming from in the back and forth GM fights are blurring but I sure thought you were a proponent of VT Gambit San.

[SpyreX]

Ohh wow a claim!

A PR claim!

Of doctor in fact!

(Note: Real doctor shut mouth, kthx)

And I've got no problems admitting I'm wrong. However, even IF I was wrong about this (which I doubt) I'd be wrong for all the right reasons so :shrug:

Grease this pig.

[SpyreX]

Foil, foil foil... you gotta be gentler with your bussing, sheesh.

[SpyreX]

PZ:

You damn straight. More specifically, I don't want our real doc to claim to fix this.

There was absolutely no reason to claim VT. There is no useful gambit from it.

Doctor claim is one of the more damaging moves on a scum going down in flames.

[SpyreX]

Doubleplus note: If GM is a scum PR (which I highly expect) go ahead and lynch foil tomorrow asap if he's not dead tonight. No reason to belabor the point.

If he's a goon, well... we'll see.

If he's actually the doc I'll eat my...wait. No. I go there too much. I'll just be crying tears of blood from all the :headdesk:

[SpyreX]

No no no.

Doc is absolutely unconfirmable.

The scum absolutely, guaranteed, will not take care of this (ohh snap roleblocked, etc, etc).

If you can give me ANY good reason for the VT Gambit that isn't some form of survival mechanism mayyybe I can be persuaded to shift to foil. Maaybe.

The doc claim is damn near textbook what I expected from scum.

[SpyreX]

(secret note: this makes me think it less likely they have an RB but that is conjecture)

[SpyreX]

If we're going to 101 - lynch all liars exists for a reason (even if its not an exact truism).

That lie was designed for self-preservation. In a defensive nature.

Of a role that is, ultimately, not confirmable but is VERY easy to give the illusion of confirmability.

That is common enough that a CC would make sense. Yet, the CC would guarantee a strong PR death.

Yea, a scum is a scum is a scum.

(Although I think your defense is town so)

[SpyreX]

Wait, hold up.

You're saying you think AGM IS a VT?

[SpyreX]

Let me expand a bit.

I'm not a proponent of lynch ALL liars.

However, I am a huge proponent of "if you're going to lie as town, you better have a

damn

good reason for it"

There was no good reason. There was no SCUM FOUND trap there (which should be the point of a

good

gambit).

There was no snipe at me or whomever else for calling out that softclaim.

It was all survival. No. No go.

[SpyreX]

Exactly - especially when they're controlling the kill.

IF IF I can't get this wagon a pushin like it should be I'm far more down for a foil lynch than a cruelty one at the mo' (because if foil flips scum, well, you know the drill).

The sad thing is I -get- where PZ is coming from but a duck is still a scum is a duck - I would give far more leeway to this if not for that VT business which I am 100% calling shenanigans on.

[SpyreX]

This game.

I really see no reason to lynch a claimed PR on D1. Firstly, the cost of mislynch is substantially higher. People have mentioned that him being outed means he'll be roleblocked or NK'd, so he's useless. Well, if he's NK'd then that means we won't have wasted one of our lynches, and if he's roleblocked, then that means the roleblocker can't block any of our other PRs. Doesn't make sense to use OUR day lynch to off him right now.

I will never understand why "claiming a PR" = "get out of jail free".

If you think he is scum, vote. If you think he is telling the truth, don't.

I am voting for scum. I am more than a little irritated that "welp, doc" is getting this much weight (but not surprised).

[SpyreX]

This is when I throw my hands up, some. Foil ISNT a bad lynch - but I swear to everything holy if he goes "HAY I ARE POWER ROLE" and we do this again I will find the mod and give him real life cash money to make me a multi-shot vig and I will shoot you all.

ALL.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

Unvote, Vote: Foilist

@Mordy:

Your idea is right but ultimately its not the right metric. We have a chance (hopefully 25-33%) of hitting mafia. We have a chance (hopefully 66-75%) of hitting town. Within that second we have a chance ( no idea ) of hitting a PR. That last (no idea) is probably going to be the same for any PR.

But, yea, he's scum.

He's also not getting lynched today. I can smell the winds.

[SpyreX]

Keep in mind this has set the tone for "welp, I'm scum and am goin up the tree, CLAIM PR"

[SpyreX]

^

This

[SpyreX]

If GM gets votes I will hammer the space hell zombies out of him.

I want blood. Real bad

[SpyreX]

Ok, it's not like I hardclaimed VT on Day 1 and then tried to switch to Cop in Day 4 lylo. There was a pressured softclaim that I didn't even want to make a big deal out of. You're completely exploding the issue.

No.

There was no "pressure" for anything to do with your claim.

You opted to give false information about your role in order to attempt to diffuse a case on yourself.

You went "Check out these games where I was vanilla."

You have then claimed doc.

One of these two statements was a lie designed for survival.

This is a killable offense. Period. This is a scum manuever. Period. If, somehow, you are magically town that does not change these facts. Period.

End Line.

(Of course you're not getting lynched today so wooo)

[SpyreX]

And this is part of why I unvoted. For people who seem to clutter the thread with noise more than anything else. Spyrex, I feel you have contributed very little to the town, mostly agreeing with the MordyS/Gammagooey/Bob team. However, of them all, you haven't really brought many new things to this game. And know you just want to hammer for the sake of hammering. You thought he was scum, you didn't blink an eye with his claim (valid or not is irrelevant at this point), you won't blink before hammering. For someone Mordy said we should be afraid of, you haven't put up much of note. I say less blood, more brains from you.

Awesome.

Funny thing about "bringing new things" to the table. Seems like its a good idea and all but, guess what, it isn't inherently a good thing. I've had issues with GM (separate from the OHH LORD CASE that I am apparently parroting) for ohh, since my second post?

And you're damn right I didn't blink an eye at his claim. I'm pretty sure I said that was what I expected from scum. I'm also pretty sure long, long ago in a kingdom far away I even said specifically that. Lets go to the way, way back machine:

1.) For no reason GM insinuated heavily enough that he was vanilla that there is no way I'd buy anything but.
2.) Foilist's bizarro world vote on someone who was after GM really sits wrong with me and one being scum is going to be a power lynch of the other.

As for the hammer, yes. I will hammer, without question. Either of them. Because we're past the point of usefulness in these discussions on the far end of the bell curve. It will be 30 pages plus before we get a lynch. On day one. In a mini.

I'll give you a hint who that helps.

Information paralysis is awesome and all but we need to take a damn step. I'm voting for foil because I fully expect no one short of the real doc claiming (AGAIN DO NOT DO THIS) having the gumption to lynch a claimed PR.

Even though its the right lynch.

(P.S. for those keeping track if a wagon came up on you I'd hammer before you could say "NO DONT HAMMER I AM ALSO A MYSTICAL POWER ROLE)

[SpyreX]

If you're going to bus, bus in style.

When as many people have seen a link in play, what else can you really do if the link exists? Say nu uh?

[SpyreX]

Sigh.

Ok, if there is an actual doctor, please claim. 1-1 is fine.

If not, lets go through with foil. This is disheartening.

[SpyreX]

@ Spyrex -

-Why on earth would you ask for a claim right there?
-What about my reasoning for wanting to lynch foilist13 do you disagree with?
-If you still want to lynch AGM, then why is your vote on foilist?

1.) Because its readily apparent that

despite the play

that lynch isn't going through without a CC. Dancing around what the scum may or may not do doesn't change the fact that I think thats the right lynch.

2.) Simply the fact I think GM is scummier. Its not a function of disagreeing as you yourself note in your third question.

3.) Realism.

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So, barring a doc flip we're going to dance this dance every day and pushing 30 pages in I just cant care. I REALLY hope there's no doctor at all and this fakeclaim takes it all the way to the bank because my god.

So, lynch whoever. I'm out of this debacle until there's a flip (sans if Peanut or GM gets in hammerin' range)

[SpyreX]

If one doesn't think AGM is scum, then why would one yell for a doctor to not claim?

Mysteries within mysteries.

[SpyreX]

I

don't want to out our doctor.

However, I, as we've seen, have watched this stalled because no want wants to lynch a non-CC'd doctor.

Follow me.

[SpyreX]

The votes, ultimately, aren't going to be as big of an issue as you think in that process. It was absolutely apparent that, without a CC, that lynch isn't going through.

NOW, on the offchance it gets there I've made it absolutely clear I'd hammer. Thus, assume one's vote IS there.

And, the other should be fairly clear:

I don't want to out our doctor. However, if the choices are not getting scum lynched OR outing the doctor because "ohh noes PR claim" I WILL push for the doctor to get the scum lynched.

In a perfect world it would have been a series of "HAHA VOTE" when he claimed doctor after the VT claim (and yes thats a damn claim) and we wouldn't be IN THIS MESS NOW.

So, yea.

[SpyreX]

Because no other person has been as scummy as GM. Period.

Saving him because "OHH SNAP POWER ROLE" doesn't make sense.

When you add in the fact he's never, ever, ever getting killed regardless of alignment if we dont hit scum hard and fast this issue will pop up every. single. day. Until its lylo then HURF. And what is the magic bell thats going to make this change? Hoping that if he IS telling the truth the real doc gets lynched? That the mystical cop wastes an investigation on him?

I'm calling a scum a scum and not betting on PR's being or not being present. If he IS a doctor (hint: he's not) he is all but worthless at this point.

I'm having far more trouble understanding not lynching survival-based (and unnecessary) lies. On a player that has been scummy. Who now gets to jump the shark because of his claim.

As it sits though I'll freely admit I don't care too much anymore. 30 pages is ridiculous.

[SpyreX]

ORLY amendment change huh.

Unvote, Vote: GM

[SpyreX]

Thats a given. If this isn't a majority lynch AND is a mislynch I will policy lynch anyone not on the main wagon.

Time is done. I hate plurality in general but right about nows I'm ok with it.

[SpyreX]

Honestly guys, this latest vote from peanutman is almost a dead giveaway. I mean, really, peanut? Between AGM, foilist, and me, you actually think that I'm the most likely to be scum, and the most productive day one lynch for the town?

This is NOT for talking about now but it will be. This is a bad news bears kind of statement.

It is irritating to no end that no one is bothered by the fact that AGM is random and impulsive, and has no interest in helping the town, he simply doesn't want to be lynched.

This is the above quotes bastard brother who, together, have started a bank robbing spree and collect the skulls of squirrels.

If you want to know why BOTH of these statements are bad news....

Too bad. Lynch. Someone can pull it together tomorrow.

[SpyreX]

SpyreX, why vote foilist13 and declare you'd happily hammer AlmasterGM instead of the other way around?

At that point there was no plurality. That statement, once again, should be read as: I am voting the realistic (decent) lynch that is coming through - however, I would gladly hammer (thus requiring the others to do it) the lynch I prefer.

I'm just curious: is this referring to me, or to peanutman?

You.

Lets get er done.

[SpyreX]

Can I read it as "I am voting for the scummy town player lynch that is coming through - however, I would gladly bus (if the town is going to lynch him anyway) my scumbuddy"?

If you're pushin back the bottles sure you could read it that way.

Unless its also got the "Ohh, the voting mechanic changed and now I have a for reals chance to get GM lynched WITHOUT you chucklheads bemoaning the PR-gambit thus my vote switched" part.

[SpyreX]

Sociopath has been lurking the hell out of this game - it is NOT a function of play on site. He is actively avoiding this one.

That would definitely not be a bad move.

Since, once again, it looks like we can't lynch us a GM:

Unvote, Vote: Sociopath

[SpyreX]

Keep in mind I'm still SUPER WROTH at the fact GM can't get traction.

However, this is fine.

[SpyreX]

Yep I'll jump on ANY bandwagon. I just twirl around to sate my unsatisfiable blood lust.

NEED FOOD BADLY

FEED ME

[SpyreX]

Shhh.

There's reasons. Secret reasons. POWERFUL REASONS.

[SpyreX]

Sociopath joined in on: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:19 pm

Since then lets just look at his posts:

Just a note, I tend to fully read games before making any posts (regarding content) so you'll have to sit tight while I go for a read.
Although, it shouldn't take as long as most, as I'm already several pages in.

I hope you people aren't anxiously waiting on me. Razz

I'm over halfway done, although its taken me a lot longer to get through this than I expected.
(For one, brevity in this game is almost nonexistent, a pleasant surprise.)
(For two, I've never actually replaced into a game before.)
(For three, I replaced in about 2 minutes after being asked.)
(For four, I already have a massive plateful of games I'm occupied with currently.)

But I've got many opinions, suspicions, details, and insights so far.
Which would be premature to state at this point lest they've already been resolved.

78 hours! It said 78 hours!

I've fallen a bit behind, as I've not got much read in the last 1 1/2 days, and the thread is now pushing over 30 pages, but hopefully I should be posting for real before the deadline.

Yea, that would be his entire history.

5 posts yesterday in other games after his last post here. Which is a pattern that is repeated all the way across.

He is actively ignoring this game.

BTW, if he is scum you are dead.

[SpyreX]

Actually, I'll take it a bit further. If he is scum:

SocioPath (5) Papa Zito, PhaerieM, Sanjay, SpyreX, MordyS

I'd put HEAVY money on that whole list being town.

How you like them apples.

[SpyreX]

I guess that Bob being dead is a bit strong. However, like I said, the above if SP is scum I'm riding to the bank being town.

[SpyreX]

Its the power of benmage.

Actually aside from the SP lynch being not a bad one there was a LOT of information to take from the power swing.

Like, enough that I'd say if SP is scum the game is going to be a powerstomp.

[SpyreX]

DAMNIT YOU ARE RUINING MY BREADCRUMBS

In retrospect thats the most amazing overuse of a word accidentally ever.

[SpyreX]

Guess who's posting on site.

Guess who's posting on site.

Guess who's getting a lynchstick.

THATS WHO

STOP.

HAMMERTIME.

[SpyreX]

No. Seriously. Guess who hopped on, posted in another game and went "welp, not even going to address this one."

HAMMER. BE A HERO.

I'd do it but I can't.

[SpyreX]

....

Well played Zito. I'd have thrown that hammer too, guaranteed.

What prompted the power shove day 1? That could have backfired REAL REAL bad (if I was the cop you may have been a quick nab).

I was sad to become the dead in this game. Real sad.

[SpyreX]

Scum QT?

[SpyreX]

Cough up that QT!

I'll say of the three of you left I would have been CONVINCED that Zito was the town. Mordy reeked town to me most of the game but throwing the wagon off the GF? Inspired.

Foilist... yea.

[SpyreX]

SpyreX - Dangerous to keep around. SpyreX is the best player in this game.

But he's also been pretty off.

Awwww <3

I wish the bolded wasn't SO true. My lord these days I'm better off RNG'ing.

[SpyreX]

I started to lose my mind with alamaster's soft vanilla claim and then doc claim. And then the foilist factor... yea, I was not in a place to have rationale thought.

I mean, go back and reread that knowing alignments day 1. It's...beautiful in its madness.

I'll give you a little bit of meta since I hate it soo much: I tend to forget what my role is