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Post Post #3 (isolation #0) » Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:43 am

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Public service announcement:

Do not deliberately act scummy so that you will get the gun.
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I know someone is considering it. Don't.

That is all.
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Post Post #6 (isolation #1) » Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:32 am

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Bogre: Read the rules again... scum only decide the initial gunbearer.
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Post Post #7 (isolation #2) » Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:36 am

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Bogre is likely scum here... I wouldn't expect town to make that mistake, but scum might (because they've been thinking about picking the initial gunbearer).
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Post Post #12 (isolation #3) » Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:52 pm

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ortolan wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:Public service announcement:

Do not deliberately act scummy so that you will get the gun.
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I know someone is considering it. Don't.

That is all.
How do you know this, pray tell?
A keen grasp of human nature.
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Post Post #20 (isolation #4) » Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:50 pm

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Vala Mal Doran wrote:
Sarag wrote:I also think Val should keep her thoughts to herself as much as possible (bar asking questions she wants answered, or analysis she thinks will be useful for town) - there's no point in letting the scum know how she's leaning until she pulls the trigger, and she doesn't have to prove herself town.
'

Noted. It's a good idea.
Not really. Keeping stuff to yourself for a while is okay, but I'd advise letting people know who you're planning to kill ahead of time, rather than just suddenly shooting. The last-minute flurry of activity is very informative.

Gunbearer is actually similar to the king in kingmaker. That in mind, here's some advice on playing king which should apply:

- Ask lots of questions. Probe.
- Ask people to analyze specific things. Try to get people to make cases on players they'd rather ignore.
- Don't let anyone lurk. If you spot someone lurking, find something for them to analyze.
- It's often revealing to ask someone to argue the opposite of their own position.
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Post Post #23 (isolation #5) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:56 am

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Obvious lurker scum:

Vaya
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Post Post #28 (isolation #6) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:54 pm

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Vala Mal Doran wrote:@Xylthixlm: Who in this game do you think could most convincingly pull off faking town as scum (including yourself)? Elaborate beyond a couple of sentences please.
Let's see.
  • Yosarian2 is really sneaky. I think I've got a trick for reading him, but I never manage to actually get him lynched.

  • Vaya is... well, let's just say Vaya is better at convincingly faking scum as town.

  • Vala Mal Doran is confirmed town, and therefore will be extremely convincing if she's actually scum :)

  • DragonsofSummer I can't say much about; need to play with him more, or maybe he just isn't very memorable.

  • Slicey is cool. Probably average difficulty at reading.

  • ortolan is about average.

  • rite I know nothing about.

  • Xylthixlm is totally obvious as scum if you know what to look for, and really sneaky if you don't.

  • DraketheFake... don't know.

  • Sarag... don't know.

  • Zakeri is average, a little bit hard to read iirc.

  • Bogre... see DragonsofSummer.
Overall Yos2 is most convincing as scum by far. Some people would put me as second. There's nobody in this group who I know as really really easy to read, though.
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Post Post #37 (isolation #7) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:59 pm

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Bogre wrote:I'm not personally afraid of being shot. Are you?
I'd rather keep a extra townie alive.
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Post Post #46 (isolation #8) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:52 am

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Bogre wrote:I most definitely want to avoid being shot, because it will be a loss to town. But I am not -afraid- of it...do you see the distinction? Scum have the most to lose from being targetted, not town.
How is this any different from a normal game?
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Post Post #51 (isolation #9) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:40 pm

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Bogre: crazy or scum? Tonight at 11.
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Post Post #55 (isolation #10) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:22 pm

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The thing we already know is that you'll say you're town.
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Post Post #56 (isolation #11) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:26 pm

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Also, there's no way bogre really thinks that was a scum slip.

I would be totally happy with a shot at Bogre.
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Post Post #63 (isolation #12) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:02 am

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Bogre wrote:Why are you defending the scum, Yos?
^ scum
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Post Post #66 (isolation #13) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:55 am

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Still not a scumslip.
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Post Post #68 (isolation #14) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:41 am

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Possible Sarag-Bogre buddy tell there.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #15) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:35 pm

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Bogre wrote:I mean, no one can cause my death except myself, so its really moot on what anyone else thinks of -me-.
^ Kill this guy.
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Post Post #80 (isolation #16) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:38 pm

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If we're lucky Bogre is scum trying to seem like a townie trying to get the gun. If we're unlucky Bogre is a townie who is playing against the town. Either way I want him dead as soon as possible.
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Post Post #82 (isolation #17) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:45 pm

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Exactly.

What anyone thinks of Bogre might not kill Bogre, but it will certainly kill Vala Mal Doran, a confirmed townie. By recklessly disregarding Vala Mal Doran's life, Bogre is playing squarely against the town's best interests.
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Post Post #84 (isolation #18) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:06 pm

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Shooting him puts him next on the list to die. That's good enough for me.

I'm also very hopeful that he's scum trying to act in a way he thinks we'll think scum wouldn't act.
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Post Post #86 (isolation #19) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:16 pm

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Keep digging, scum.
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Post Post #90 (isolation #20) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:23 pm

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Zakeri wrote:Xyl's policy lynching takes a new low as he admits in thread that he would will the death of two confirmed townies just to teach one of them not to say something stupid.
Thanks. I've been off lately, I even let zwet survive to the end of Touhou.

Although really, by my accounting it's only one townie, and that's only if Bogre isn't scum. Which he is.
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Post Post #92 (isolation #21) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:57 pm

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Scumteam: Bogre, Sajin, ortolan, ???
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Post Post #93 (isolation #22) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:58 pm

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EBWOP:

Scumteam: Bogre, Sarag, ortolan, ???
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Post Post #96 (isolation #23) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:15 pm

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ortolan wrote:wait how is Bogre scummy ITT, and how are we scummy by proxy for defending him; when he clearly acts like this every game. Do you disagree?
I haven't played with Bogre much but I think I'd remember if I saw someone playing this blatantly antitown.
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Post Post #98 (isolation #24) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:20 pm

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If I get the gun there is going to be a
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Post Post #100 (isolation #25) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:03 pm

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Bogre wrote:I mean I don't have the luxury of being this boat-rocking usually
You don't have the luxury of being this boat-rocking here.
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Post Post #101 (isolation #26) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:05 pm

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Your play is anti-town for exactly the same reason it would be anti-town if you did it in any other game. You obviously understand that you shouldn't play like that in a normal game, so why are you playing differently here?
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Post Post #116 (isolation #27) » Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:35 pm

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^ still scum
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Post Post #118 (isolation #28) » Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:32 pm

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Scum: Bogre, Sarag, ortolan, DraketheFake
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Post Post #122 (isolation #29) » Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:52 am

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ortolan wrote: Town players don't want to give information like this so that they can be evaluated "fairly", they want to convince others that they're town. It looks like he is going out of his way to appear "honest" rather than acting how a townie actually would- trying to convince people that they're town.
This townie wants to be evaluated "fairly" and is perfectly happy to offer information that makes himself look scummy if it happens to be true.
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Post Post #127 (isolation #30) » Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:49 pm

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Slicey wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:Scum: Bogre, Sarag, ortolan, DraketheFake
Almost agree. I don't think ort is scum, at least not yet.
What about now?
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Post Post #130 (isolation #31) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:19 pm

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Still happy with my scumlist.
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Post Post #134 (isolation #32) » Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:01 pm

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Vala Mal Doran wrote:Certain people who know who they are need to talk more, or risk being shot.
I suggest naming names
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Post Post #139 (isolation #33) » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:58 pm

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ortolan wrote:fyi I never do. I would only defend someone as scum if I would defend them as town.
Unfortunately for you, when you're scum you're horrible at judging what you would have done as town.
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Post Post #143 (isolation #34) » Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:40 pm

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Yosarian2 wrote:You make my brains hurt.

If person A defended person B, C, and D, and only person B, C, and D, and all three of person B, C, and D flipped scum, you would consider that a point in person A's favor? Really?
I've seen dumber. Which doesn't make it any less dumb.
Yosarian2 wrote:Besides which, you seem to be taking Xyl's list with a level of seriousness that kind of perplexes me, considering we're on page 6 off day 1 here. Not that Xyl's list wasn't intended to be a serious attack, I'm sure it was, but it sounds like you're actually expecting him to name the entire scumgroup at this point of the game, which seems a little bizzare to me.
Stop realistically assessing my scumhunting capabilities
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ortolan wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:
ortolan wrote:fyi I never do. I would only defend someone as scum if I would defend them as town.
Unfortunately for you, when you're scum you're horrible at judging what you would have done as town.
source?
Everyone is. I have no reason to believe you're an exception.
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Post Post #161 (isolation #36) » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:24 am

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VMD: now would be a good time to ask more questions... I could ask some myself but I think it's more important for you to ask questions where the answers will be useful to you.
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Post Post #163 (isolation #37) » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:41 am

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I have a question for Yos: do you think the scum would have been better off picking you as initial gunbearer instead of VMD?
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Post Post #171 (isolation #38) » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:28 pm

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DraketheFake wrote:It occurs to me that correct play as a townie is to encourage being shot
Absolutely not. That is the worst possible thing you could do as a townie.
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I know someone is considering it. Don't.

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Post Post #175 (isolation #39) » Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:58 pm

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DraketheFake wrote:I'll amend: correct play as a
suspected
townie. This game rests more squarely on the decision-making/scum-hunting abilities of the individual rather than the group. Since the penalty for being incorrectly suspected isn't death - and since survival instinct won't kick in - the only person coming under suspicion who should hedge at the prospect of being shot this early is a scum player. Yes, a townie under early suspicion in the interests of the town playing a perfect game might try desperately to avoid the gun, but the unique mechanics of the game make it so that weaseling out from under the gun should basically be a heavy scum tell.
1) DraketheFake is completely wrong here.
2) DraketheFake is probably scum here.
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Post Post #178 (isolation #40) » Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:13 pm

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DraketheFake wrote:1. So you think that with a 7/11 chance of hitting town a town player should act nervous and defensive if the gun is pointed their way?
Town players should try to avoid getting shot. Acting nervous and defensive is
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likely to prevent you from getting shot.
DraketheFake wrote:2. I'd love to hear how 1 leads to 2, though I understand it isn't really your style so far to give any kind of reasoning.
If you're looking at the game from the perspective of how a town player should act, the flaw in your reasoning is blatant and obvious. If you're looking at the game from the perspective of how a scum player should act, it's extremely subtle. I conclude that you are looking at the game from the perspective of how a scum player should act. This makes you highly likely to be scum. Q.E.D.
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Post Post #193 (isolation #41) » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:04 pm

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Ortolan, what's your opinion on drakethefake?
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Post Post #199 (isolation #42) » Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:31 pm

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Of those two I would definitely shoot Drake, myself.
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Post Post #209 (isolation #43) » Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:46 am

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Bogre wrote:
HowardRoark wrote: stuff
Hey, way to read through the thread and post, uh, nothing new.

Pretty easy to parrot the things -everyone- else has come up with.
WTF? Would you rather he not posted anything?
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Post Post #211 (isolation #44) » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:17 am

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Xylthixlm wrote:Scum: Bogre, Sarag, ortolan, DraketheFake
Still happy about this list. Sarag has the potential to remove himself if he starts actually playing. The other three had better hope that someone else does something really really scummy, because otherwise they'll be my top suspects for a while...
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Post Post #217 (isolation #45) » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:30 am

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ortolan wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:Scum: Bogre, Sarag, ortolan, DraketheFake
Still happy about this list. Sarag has the potential to remove himself if he starts actually playing. The other three had better hope that someone else does something really really scummy, because otherwise they'll be my top suspects for a while...
do you think posting this might discourage these players from attacking you?
I'd expect it to encourage you, if anything. But I don't really care.
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Post Post #218 (isolation #46) » Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:58 am

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Sarag wrote:Discussion between ortolan and rite - they both
seem
to be nitpicking in an unhelpful way. I don't
find
ortolan's accusations of rite to be
particularly
compelling, but rite
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to be misrepresenting ort's case. I
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little
worse in it, since misrepresenting someone's argument
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less town than making a flimsy case in the early game. I have a
slightly
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vibe
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but
that may only be because he was attacked by Bogre in a really poor way, so I
may
have to
re-assess
him.
Waffle harder please.
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Post Post #220 (isolation #47) » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:37 am

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Zakeri wrote:between Drake and Rite however, I can't really decide. They both have almost equal amounts of "trying-to-look-like-they're-helping-without-actually-doing-so", with the large difference to me being that Drake is slightly more unpleasant in attitude. between the two of them, it's likely there isn't a wrong answer.
Handy probability trick: The question "Who is more likely to be scum, A or B?" always has the same answer as the question "Is it more likely that A is scum without B, or that B is scum without A?" If you can't figure out an answer to the first, try asking the second.
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Post Post #229 (isolation #48) » Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:20 am

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When I said "Waffle harder" I didn't actually mean it literally.

How about telling us whether you think rite and/or ortolan is scum?
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Post Post #238 (isolation #49) » Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:13 pm

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HackerHuck wrote:Bogre’s my second, but I think he's a bad target if we're wrong. He might do a decent job at finding scum as the shooter, but he'd need to take his sights off of me and Xyl before I'd feel really comfortable risking that. It's not so much that I don't think he's really scummy, it's that being wrong about Bogre would be like killing two townies.
Stop right there. Thinking this way is opening yourself up to manipulation by the scum. Don't.
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Post Post #240 (isolation #50) » Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:24 pm

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HackerHuck wrote:My last comment is directed at Vala. I think you're in an ideal situation as gunbearer to hunt for scum. While it's probably smart to keep your true intentions somewhat private, you're in a good position to do some indirect scumhunting. Since you're confirmed, there's no danger in you trying some unique tactics to gauge the reactions of others. I would urge you to fight the tendency to sit back and watch, which seems to happen with the kingmaker type roles.
This.

I tried to say something like this early on, but it apparently didn't sink in the way I meant.

The gunbearer should be active.
Gunbearer, nobody is in a better position to help the town than you are. Keep involved in the game, as involved as anyone else - because
you
are the person who has to make a decision, and if you're not involved you're going to make a bad decision. If the game seems to be slowing down,
you
should be the one getting it moving again. If you don't have anything else to say,
ask questions
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Post Post #244 (isolation #51) » Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:39 pm

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Top three suspects? DraketheFake, ortolan, Bogre. In that order.

Bonus 4th suspect (since there are 4 scum): Sarag.
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Post Post #254 (isolation #52) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:19 am

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Vala Mal Doran wrote:Out of the main few suspicions listed so far, I only think Sarag, slicey, or rite/Hacker would do okay as gunbearers if they are town. Of those people I am currently most suspicious of Sarag, so he may end up being the shot for the day. I'd like more people to weigh in, though.
So all the scum have to do to avoid getting shot is be vocal about a bunch of totally wrong suspicions?

Seriously, you are going down a very bad path here. Stop thinking about who would be a good gunbearer. Only consider who you think is scum.
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Post Post #257 (isolation #53) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:28 am

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Vala Mal Doran wrote:Well, I should ideally find someone who is scummy AND would make at least a semi-decent gunbearer if town, at least day 1 when we have relatively little info.
No. You should find someone who is scummy, period.
Cast all thoughts of who would make a good gunbearer from your mind, and never think of them again.
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Post Post #258 (isolation #54) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:30 am

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In fact, trying to look like a horrible gunbearer is such an obvious scum strategy in this game that if anything you should try to shoot the person who looks like they'll be the
worst
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Post Post #260 (isolation #55) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:38 am

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Vala Mal Doran wrote:Why don't you think it should factor in at all? If I shoot someone like, say, Zakeri, and they turn out to be town, won't they be even less active? Isn't that detrimental to town? Don't I have an obligation to, if I should shoot incorrectly, at least make sure town isn't screwed day 2?
Because you're not taking scum behavior account. Scum can easily make themselves look like bad gunbearers, so if you factor gunbearer quality into your thinking you give the scum an easy way to manipulate you, and the net result is that the town is worse off than if you ignored it entirely in the first place.
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Post Post #279 (isolation #56) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:19 pm

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Slicey wrote: Scum list as of now: Bogre, Sarag, Drake, one of our lurkers (Vaya/Zakeri)
Go reread the stuff that led up to this post, then read that post again, then look at ort's relation with the other three players you named, then come back and tell me he's not scum.
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Post Post #285 (isolation #57) » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:37 am

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You mentioned me at least once:
Bogre wrote:Possible scumteam of rite and Xyl?

I think yes ;)
HackerHuck bringing it up is curious, though.
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Post Post #294 (isolation #58) » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:08 pm

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I'm pretty sure Yos is town.
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Post Post #311 (isolation #59) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:32 pm

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What Bogre said.
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Post Post #314 (isolation #60) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:23 pm

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On the contrary, I'm all for shooting lurkers, especially scummy lurkers.
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Post Post #337 (isolation #61) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:42 pm

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IIRC Sarag started acting scummy after I posted that.
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Post Post #346 (isolation #62) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:26 pm

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rewq455 wrote:If I had to pick another though, it would be xylthixlm, just due to how aggressive he is being
So, you think townies should be non-aggressive?
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Post Post #347 (isolation #63) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:35 pm

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Yos, did you actually ever give a top 3 scumlist? I can't find it.
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Well.. regardless of what Yos decides, the top 4 consensus scummy people are Bogre, rewq455, ortolan, and Sarag (in that order).

If I take those four's votes out of the count, not only does the top 4 stay the same but it also removes
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Curious fact: nobody put HowardRoark in their top 3.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #65) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:55 pm

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Foolproof plan for winning:

Shoot ortolan, Sarag, and Bogre in any order. All 3 of them come up scum, so Vala keeps the gun. Shoot rewq, and if he's not scum, he shoots HowardRoark (or vice versa). Town wins.
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Post Post #351 (isolation #66) » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:05 pm

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If we hurry we can rap this game up in time to qualify for this years scummies

BTW, I see nothing in the rules preventing consecutive shots:
shoot: bogre
shoot: Sarag
shoot: ortolan
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Post Post #363 (isolation #67) » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:50 am

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HowardRoark wrote:Why is the lurking of Zakeri and Slicey not scummy?
Did you realize that both of them have made at least as many posts as you have? And Slicey's play strikes me as fairly town.
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Post Post #364 (isolation #68) » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:01 am

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Just under 24h to deadline left.
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Post Post #367 (isolation #69) » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:25 pm

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HowardRoark wrote:
Xylthixlm (363) wrote:Did you realize that both of them have made at least as many posts as you have?
Yes. (Well, not now.) I also replaced into the game on page 9.
True. If you add Vaya's posts to yours, you actually have more posts than Zakeri. But you still have fewer than Slicey.
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rewq455 wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:Foolproof plan for winning:

Shoot ortolan, Sarag, and Bogre in any order. All 3 of them come up scum, so Vala keeps the gun. Shoot rewq, and if he's not scum, he shoots HowardRoark (or vice versa). Town wins.
That is the kind of agression I found a little scummy. This could potentially kill 4 townies. I will definitely kill one.
It can't possibly kill more than one townie.
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Post Post #370 (isolation #71) » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:29 pm

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Is there an echo in here?
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rewq455 wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:
rewq455 wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:Foolproof plan for winning:

Shoot ortolan, Sarag, and Bogre in any order. All 3 of them come up scum, so Vala keeps the gun. Shoot rewq, and if he's not scum, he shoots HowardRoark (or vice versa). Town wins.
That is the kind of agression I found a little scummy. This could potentially kill 4 townies. I will definitely kill one.
It can't possibly kill more than one townie.
What if one or more of the others are town, and then after shot, the gunman dies. Then, if I am shot by a person following this plan, they die :wink:.
But part of the plan is that the first three are all scum, so obviously if one of them somehow turned out to be town, they couldn't follow the plan and would have to stop.
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Post Post #388 (isolation #73) » Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:19 am

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Xylthixlm (348) wrote:If I take those four's votes out of the count, not only does the top 4 stay the same but it also removes
almost every single vote on any player not in that group
. The only exceptions are HowardRoark's votes on Slicey and Zakeri.
You're current list was posted 27 NOV. Everyone else started dropping their lists on 09 DEC. Your list and continued strong play allowed over a week for that to settle in to people's minds. Couple that with the poor play of our leading candidates, how much variation did you really expect?
I don't normally see people mindlessly following my scumlist in other games. A couple people sometimes barn me, but generally I have little or no effect. So, if that's what's really happening in this game...
it's about time.
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Post Post #389 (isolation #74) » Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:20 am

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ortolan wrote:Assuming he is and isn't lying.
This is a silly assumption. Just wait for the flip.
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Post Post #393 (isolation #75) » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:56 am

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What? Bah.

Time for reanalysis.
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Post Post #395 (isolation #76) » Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:28 am

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Analyzing the suspicions still gives me ortolan, rewq, and Sarag as most likely scum, but playing around with the combinations is making me think HowardRoark's point about anchoring to my scumlist is correct.
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Post Post #401 (isolation #77) » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:12 pm

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rewq455 wrote:
Xylthixlm starts the Bogre wagon based on his reaction to the "don't act scummy" post. Xylthixlm continues to push the Bogre is scum mantra while giving himself an "out" a few times (51 & 81). There's also the fact that he was willing to have Vala Mal Doran die in order for Bogre to die sooner (84). Overall, Xylthixlm doesn't look good in hindsight.
Good point.... this kills 2 townies. Townies we can't afford to lose.... if there are as many townies as mafia, we lose..... Bogre be carefull about your your shot.
Nice way of implying that you think he should shoot me without actually saying it.
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Post Post #403 (isolation #78) » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:45 pm

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Bogre wrote:Lol, I've also written and then deleted a ton of arguments and cases I've wanted to write so far, because I don't want to coach any of the scum with my analysis.
That's stupid. A town that hides information from itself is a town that loses.
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Post Post #415 (isolation #79) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:15 am

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Yos2 is pretty solidly town here.


AlamasterGM wrote:Do you have anything to say about the content of the argument, what it may or may not be implying aside?
Hmm... this?
rewq455 wrote:Good point.... this kills 2 townies. Townies we can't afford to lose.... if there are as many townies as mafia, we lose..... Bogre be carefull about your your shot.
The first part, about killing 2 townies, is flat out wrong. The rest is obvious stuff that really doesn't add to the game.
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Post Post #418 (isolation #80) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:19 am

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Yos: I can see where someone might get the impression that you're following me...
Yosarian2 wrote:Hello everyone.

I agree with Xyl.
Yosarian2 wrote:And, yeah, Xyl is right here
Yosarian2 wrote:Yeah, I agree with Xyl.
Maybe it's time to make that "Yos2 agrees with me" smiley.
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Post Post #427 (isolation #81) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:05 pm

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HackerHuck wrote:
HowardRoark wrote:Perhaps stating that Xylthixlm
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I still think that's not an appropriate statement. Just because someone isn't in most peoples' top 3 list doesn't mean they've been accepted as town.
I question why you are questioning whether my townieness is questioned.
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Post Post #435 (isolation #82) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:24 am

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HowardRoark wrote:Xylthixlm -> ortolan or rewq455 or Sarag (pick one please)
No.
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Post Post #437 (isolation #83) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:34 am

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HackerHuck wrote:Why is HowardRoark calling the shots instead of Bogre?
I dunno.

I could repeat all that stuff I said to Vala?
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Post Post #446 (isolation #84) » Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:58 am

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Xylthixlm wrote:
The gunbearer should be active.
Gunbearer, nobody is in a better position to help the town than you are. Keep involved in the game, as involved as anyone else - because
you
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ask questions
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Post Post #452 (isolation #85) » Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:08 pm

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Bogre wrote:1.) Why do you feel I was tunneling on Rite/Huck? Was this deserved?
Were you? I didn't notice.
Bogre wrote:2)If you had one failing as a scumhunter in this game, what would it be?
Ask me again after the game.
Bogre wrote:3)Who has been the most effective/least effecting in scumhunting?
Most effective is me, because I have to keep up my reputation for arrogance.
Least effective is ... hmm ... Vaya got replaced so I'll go with Zakeri/AlamasterGM.
Bogre wrote:4) Who is the most/least protown? Why are you protown? What have you done anti-town?
I'm always most protown. Least protown would be the scum (Sarag, ortolan, and rewq). I'm protown because I am. Anti-town things I've done... none come to mind.
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Post Post #453 (isolation #86) » Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:09 pm

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HowardRoark wrote:
Sarag (360) wrote:Some of this probably won't get answered until day 2, but I wanted to get it in before the day ends in case I'm shot.
Oops! Why would one be worried about being shot D1 . . . and not being around D2? Hmmmmmm . . . SCUM!!
Mmm.
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Post Post #460 (isolation #87) » Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:00 am

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AlmasterGM wrote:@Xylthixlm: Regardless of whether what you did on D1 was guiding or not, you seem to be doing less of it today. Why aren't you trying to guide Borge as much as you did Vala?
Given how everyone seemed to align behind my scumreads yesterday, I'm trying to hang back more today and see what everyone else comes up with.
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Post Post #472 (isolation #88) » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:37 am

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Bad
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Post Post #475 (isolation #89) » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:25 pm

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If I had the gun I would have already shot Sarag.
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Post Post #483 (isolation #90) » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:36 pm

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HowardRoark wrote:The answer is that it is a
scum
slip. Sarag was a possible target D1. She knew that. She was afraid of being shot and therefore not being around D2. To paraphrase Bogre: I'm not
afraid
of being shot. There is no reason to fear the business end of the gun . . . unless you are scum.
I think you have picked up the totally wrong part of the slip.
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Post Post #487 (isolation #91) » Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:27 pm

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ortolan wrote:I trust my own chance of hitting scum better than anyone else's.
Then you are a fool.
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Post Post #491 (isolation #92) » Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:31 pm

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ortolan wrote:
rewq455 wrote:Are you claiming to be the best town player here? I highly doubt that you are.
I am claiming my scumlist is more accurate than anyone else's, and I trust it way better.
You
would
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Post Post #493 (isolation #93) » Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:35 pm

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Post Post #495 (isolation #94) » Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:43 pm

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How is this relevant to you trusting your own chances better than anyone else's?
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Post Post #500 (isolation #95) » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:16 pm

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ortolan, if by some strange chance you are not scum, you are a flaming idiot of the highest caliber.

You'd better be scum.
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Post Post #502 (isolation #96) » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:27 pm

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ortolan wrote:bogre's not even gonna shoot me, he's gonna shoot the scum. Also I'm not an idiot to want the gun so I can frag the scum. Who wouldn't?
Someone who wants the town to win?

Nice appeal to emotion btw.
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Post Post #507 (isolation #97) » Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:43 am

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ortolan wrote:stop trying to score points scummasterGM and ScummyHuck
^ scum
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Post Post #515 (isolation #98) » Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:55 pm

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ortolan wrote:It doesn't lead to finding scum, I already found the scum. As I said, unless Bogre is gonna shoot one off my list today, please shoot me, so I can actually vig all the scum tomorrow instead of watching more horrible mislynches
Shooting ortolan is a good idea but not for this reason.
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Post Post #522 (isolation #99) » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:44 pm

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ortolan wrote:luckily I am
scum
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die
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Post Post #528 (isolation #100) » Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:22 pm

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Yosarian2 wrote:Anyway, I really want to hear more people comment on Howard. Every time I go back and re-read his posts, my brain just screams scum.
Which posts specifically?
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Post Post #539 (isolation #101) » Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:23 am

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Nachomamma, nothing's a scumtell unless I wouldn't have done the same thing as town. Which I'm pretty sure I would have because I
am
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Post Post #543 (isolation #102) » Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:27 pm

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Nachomamma8 wrote:But I do know that someone leading the town that's NOT the gunbearer is a dangerous thing; this a very special setup where the town's victory depends on someone who isn't scum leading town.
The fact that the gunbearers are being passive wimps is not something I can do anything about. Do you really think that the whole town should do nothing if the gunbearer is doing nothing?

Trying to spin activity as a scumtell strikes me as
really
scummy here.
Nachomamma8 wrote:So why does constantly saying "I'm town" help anything?
Half your examples are responding to questions from the gunbearer. The other half require real stretching to read as "I'm town".
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Post Post #546 (isolation #103) » Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:20 pm

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Nachomamma8 wrote:
Xyl wrote: Do you really think that the whole town should do nothing if the gunbearer is doing nothing?
No, I never said that. But I don't think that a single person should lead the town. Do you think that the town should blindly follow your lead?
Xyl wrote: Trying to spin activity as a scumtell strikes me as really scummy here.
Then explain how I'm spinning activity as a scumtell. I'm pointing out how you're leading the town, and how that's detrimental to town.
Do you think that it's scummy or not? Yes or no.
Nachomamma8 wrote:
Xyl wrote: If I get the gun there is going to be a massacre.
Scum can't get the gun. Thus, you're saying you're town. I don't see that as too much of a stretch.
Xyl wrote: I'd rather keep a extra townie alive.
When town gets shot, another town dies. Thus, you're saying you're town. Not a stretch there either.
Both of those two are saying something else, and just happen to assume that I'm town. In neither one is "I'm town" the primary intended message. What, were you expecting me to say "If I'm town, I'd rather keep an extra townie alive, but if I'm scum go ahead and shoot me"?
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Nachomamma8 wrote:
Xyl wrote: Do you think that it's scummy or not? Yes or no.
Your leading of the town? Yes.
Then you're either stupid or scum. Or both.
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Post Post #551 (isolation #105) » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:54 pm

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Maemuki wrote:...I..am not sure about Xyl. He doesn't act like this as town...
You mean "I haven't seen him act like this as town before".
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Post Post #552 (isolation #106) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:18 am

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Lessee.

Town

* Bogre - Gunbearer
* Yosarian2
* Xylthixlm

Leaning town

* Maemuki (Replaced Slicey on Day 2)
* HowardRoark (Replaced Vaya on Day 1)
* AlmasterGM (Replaced Zakeri on Day 1)

Uncertain

* DragonsofSummer

Leaning scum

* ortolan
* Sarag
* HackerHuck (Replaced rite on Day 1)

Scum

* Nachomamma8 (Replaced rewq455 on Day 2 who replaced DraketheFake on Day 1)

Finding 5 town players and shooting everyone else is looking like a really good idea right about now.

Damn, I just looked at the first post and the scum only need to equal or exceed the town
minus the gunbearer
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Post Post #554 (isolation #107) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:29 am

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Maemuki wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:Then you're either stupid or scum. Or both.
Xyl, is leading the town generally a good move?
Either I have amazing telepathic mind control powers, or the reason I am "leading the town" is because other people are following me.

Maybe you should ask whether it's scummy that they're following me.
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You mean "I haven't seen him act like this as town before".
Uhm, no. How am I supposed to know if you are town or scum? You're acting weirdly in my opinion, but I'm not sure if that's a scumtell or a nulltell. Time will tell, I suppose.
What you said was "He doesn't act like this as town". It is not possible for that statement to be true if I am town in this game.
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Post Post #557 (isolation #108) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:56 am

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Maemuki wrote:...that's a good point, actually.

Oh, and by the way, maybe I could have worded that a bit better. And yes, that statement cannot be true if you're town, but you're still acting strangely. Maybe I could have took out the "as town" part. But my point stands - why were you judging connections between players before flips?
I don't remember the details but I don't think any of my early reads were based solely on connections.
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Post Post #558 (isolation #109) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:00 am

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ortolan wrote:nacho, xyl, kiss and make up and just kill the people on my list plox. I promise they're all scum.
Lessee, that was DragonsofSummer, HackerHuck, AlamasterGM, and Sarag?

Scarily enough I might agree with 3 of those 4.
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Post Post #563 (isolation #110) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:12 am

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Nachomamma8 wrote:RE: Your list: Town reads are composed of someone who agrees with everything you say, a confirmed townie, and yourself.
You just dismissed Yosarian2 as "someone who agrees with everything I say".

Yosarian2.

Hah.
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Post Post #564 (isolation #111) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:14 am

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HackerHuck wrote:Bogre - please listen to Ortolan and put him out of his misery. He hasn't done any scumhunting since the game began and it doesn't seem to be getting any better.
You're just doing your best to convince me that you're scum and ortolan isn't, aren't you?
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Post Post #565 (isolation #112) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:04 am

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Maemuki wrote:If I'm not mistaken, you did...
Xylthixlm wrote:Possible Sarag-Bogre buddy tell there.
Key word, not based
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Maemuki wrote:Oh and ortolan asked you this:
wait how is Bogre scummy ITT, and how are we scummy by proxy for defending him; when he clearly acts like this every game. Do you disagree?
Yeahh. Why didn't you answer?
I generally ignore loaded questions.
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Post Post #572 (isolation #113) » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:00 pm

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Maemuki wrote:
None of that is a scumtell.
Why...did you just answer a question that was not directed to you? And why didn't Xyl answer it?
I answered it implicitly. Leading the town is neither a good move nor a bad move, because it's not a move at all.
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Post Post #573 (isolation #114) » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:02 pm

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I have to say that accusations of "leading the town" really stink. It's like someone thought "Hey, this guy is being very active and scumhunting a lot, and other people are just following him, let's see if I can spin that as a scumtell on the active guy!"

Uh, no. If you believe that I suggest you stop smoking crack, thanks.
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Post Post #575 (isolation #115) » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:12 pm

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Dear Maemuki,

Please do something productive to scumhunting and stop assisting Nachomamma's attempt to attack me for other peoples' play.

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Post Post #578 (isolation #116) » Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:09 pm

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Nachomamma8 wrote:Attacking you for other peoples' play? If you were half as protown as you seem to think, then maybe that accusation would be legit.
This doesn't even make sense. It sounds like you're saying that what you attacked me for magically changes depending on how protown I am, but that's such obvious bullshit that it can't possibly be what you meant.
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Post Post #580 (isolation #117) » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:07 pm

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Nachomamma8 wrote:I suggested that if you WERE extremely active and you WERE actually scumhunting, then you would have a point.
So... wait, let me see if I have this straight.

You say that I'm not extremely active and actually scumhunting, yet for some reason other people are following me, and this is somehow my fault.

Is that right?

Because if I'm not seriously misunderstanding this, you are accusing me of witchcraft.

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Post Post #582 (isolation #118) » Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:10 pm

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Nachomamma8 wrote:
Xyl wrote: You say that I'm not extremely active and actually scumhunting, yet for some reason other people are following me, and this is somehow my fault.
You're extremely active. You're not scumhunting.

Unless, of course, pointing to someone and saying "he's scum" is scumhunting.
I'm not scumhunting, people are just agreeing with me because I'm using mind control.

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Post Post #590 (isolation #119) » Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:45 am

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AlmasterGM wrote:The nacho case on Xyl is terribad. I'm not sure whether this means he's scum or just dumb.
Don't forget that nacho replaced rewq, who replaced DraketheFake.
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Post Post #591 (isolation #120) » Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:49 am

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AlamasterGM, what do you think of this?
HackerHuck wrote:Bogre - please listen to Ortolan and put him out of his misery. He hasn't done any scumhunting since the game began and it doesn't seem to be getting any better.
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Post Post #596 (isolation #121) » Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:01 pm

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Sarag wrote:So why was HackerHuck concerned about Bogre suspecting him and Xyl?
One possibility is that he is scum buddies with Xyl and was overreacting to Bogre's comment.
Ortolan suggested that he was pretending to overreact to a flippant comment in order to implicate Xyl if he were to be shot.

Either interpretation has HackerHuck as scum. I can't think of a town motivation for the way he acted, except just a weird fixation on that comment.
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Post Post #604 (isolation #122) » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:32 pm

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HackerHuck wrote:I'd sure like to see what Xyl has to say about the scum slip he saw from Sarag that wasn't the really weak one that was Howard's big reveal.
Uh what? You must be talking about this...
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I think you have picked up the totally wrong part of the slip.
And here was the "slip":
Sarag wrote:Some of this probably won't get answered until day 2, but I wanted to get it in before the day ends in case I'm shot.
Howard's explanation about being "afraid" is silly and stupid; townies shouldn't want to be shot anyways, if it was really an "afraid of being shot" thing it wouldn't be scummy. The slip is that even if a townie was shot
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Post Post #614 (isolation #123) » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:51 pm

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I think Nacho is no longer the person I want shot next. But I don't think Sarag is, either. Hmmm.

It's either HackerHuck or HowardRoark, but I'm not sure which.
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Post Post #615 (isolation #124) » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:56 pm

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Pulling this back up so I don't forget it...
Xylthixlm wrote:
DraketheFake wrote:I'll amend: correct play as a
suspected
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1) DraketheFake is completely wrong here.
2) DraketheFake is probably scum here.
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Post Post #622 (isolation #125) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:35 am

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ortolan wrote:I'm pretty sure Howard isn't scum either (I think I got him mixed up thinking Nacho replaced him initially). What happened to Sarag, Xyl (although Hacker is equally good)?
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Post Post #629 (isolation #126) » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:13 am

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Maemuki wrote:Sarag, do you really want a dead-weight gunbearer? Do you really really want DoS to be the gunbearer? Don't think so.
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Post Post #631 (isolation #127) » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:31 am

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Maemuki wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:So, your plan is to never shoot lurkers, to tell the scum that we won't ever shoot lurkers, and hope the scum decide never to take advantage of that?
Not really. Shoot scummy lurkers sure, but imagine they're town. Do you want a dead-weight gunbearer? But we shouldn't shoot someone just because they're lurking over somebody that we're more sure that is scum. ...did you understand?
You failed to actually address Yos's point. If you only shoot "scummy" lurkers, and don't consider lurking itself scummy, what is to stop scum from doing nothing at all and thus never getting shot? It's the logical scum response to your position. If you can't answer that it doesn't matter how reasonable your position seems; the logical consequence of it is the town losing, so
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Post Post #638 (isolation #128) » Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:10 pm

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Well that sucked.
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Post Post #655 (isolation #129) » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:07 pm

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Too lazy to reread and produce a list right now. Given that almost half the non-gunbearer people are scum right now it shouldn't be
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Post Post #656 (isolation #130) » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:17 pm

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If I was gunbearer and had 5 minutes to deadline to shoot someone right now, I'd shoot HackerHuck.
HackerHuck wrote:Bogre - please listen to Ortolan and put him out of his misery. He hasn't done any scumhunting since the game began and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. After you get him out of the way, you can go after Howard or someone else that you prefer.
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Post Post #659 (isolation #131) » Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:37 pm

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HackerHuck wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:If I was gunbearer and had 5 minutes to deadline to shoot someone right now, I'd shoot HackerHuck.
It's a good thing you're not the gunbearer.
Good for the scum, you mean.
HackerHuck wrote:My preference is Howard, but I'd like to read back through to find some decent alternatives. I don't think Sarag is scum.
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Post Post #662 (isolation #132) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:04 pm

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I think I'd be happiest with a shot on HackerHuck, AlamasterGM, or Sarag.

Nachomamma: the biggest lurker here is Maemuki, who hasn't done anything readable. Alamaster has actually done enough to give me an okay read... namely, scum.
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Post Post #665 (isolation #133) » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:28 am

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I don't think this is going anywhere without more DragonsofSummer.
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I'm pretty sure the scum picked DOS because they expected him to be an uninvolved gunbearer. DOS, please disappoint the scum. Starting immediately.
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Post Post #671 (isolation #135) » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:45 pm

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DragonsofSummer wrote:Rereading is taking me longer to do than planned because I got called in to work today, will post with my thoughts and questions tomorrow evening at the latest though.

Also I realized, it isn't lylo yet. There are still 10 players today, so if for some reason I do pick wrong, There will still be a tomorrow.
Nope. Go back to the first page and read the scum role PM - they only need to equal or exceed the number of townies
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Post Post #677 (isolation #136) » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:31 pm

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You shouldn't shoot me because I'm obviously town.

You shouldn't shoot Yosarian2 because I have a good meta read on him, and he's definitely town this game.

You shouldn't shoot ortolan, despite his stupid and obnoxious "shoot me so I can shoot the scum" schtick, because I think he's probably town. Yos claims evidence of him acting similarly overconfident in other games, which lessens the single biggest point against him. He's actively scumhunting, and his scum list seems to be based on reasons - as I've reread various people I've noticed my scumlist has largely converged with ortolan's. That's a very good sign that he's town.

You shouldn't shoot HowardRoark because, well, I can't find any reasons you
should
shoot HowardRoark. His play has been solid if unspectacular, and the only reason I've suspected him all game is WIFOMy "he seems too protown" nonsense.

Of the remaining 5 players, I'm pretty confident HackerHuck, Sarag, and AlamasterGM are all scum. I'm not sure about Maemuki vs Nachomamma. Nachomamma has been aggressively stupid, and replaced a couple of moderately scummy players. On the other hand, Maemuki has been heavily lurking, and has managed to leave absolutely no clues about her alignment - which is a pretty good scumtell by itself.
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Post Post #678 (isolation #137) » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:41 pm

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Yosarian2: What are you seeing on Howard?
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Ehhhh. I don't like the lurk mode at all, but not much has happened recently since our gunbearers have been inactive. I've been (comparatively) lurking myself.

I can sort of see a possibility of HackerHuck being scum, but he's #6 on my list. I strongly discourage a shot on him today.
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Post Post #681 (isolation #139) » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:59 pm

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Xylthixlm wrote:Ehhhh. I don't like the lurk mode at all, but not much has happened recently since our gunbearers have been inactive. I've been (comparatively) lurking myself.

I can sort of see a possibility of
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DOH.

I keep getting those two names confused.
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Post Post #683 (isolation #140) » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:42 pm

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Combining my town/uncertain list with Yos's, I think the people who are left as good shots for today are Sarag and AlmasterGM.
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Post Post #692 (isolation #141) » Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:28 am

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HackerHuck wrote:I basically focused on Howard, Maemuki/Slicey, Nacho/Rewq, and Alamaster/Zakeri. The others I feel are town enough or that they wouldn't be strong enough suspects to risk LYLO over.
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Post Post #700 (isolation #142) » Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:20 pm

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DragonsofSummer wrote:My short list:
Sarag
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Fixed. Today we absolutely need to hit scum. There's enough difference of opinion between the likely-town players on HH and HR that you shouldn't shoot either of them. Keep in mind that as long as you hit scum today, you can shoot someone who isn't totally guaranteed scum tomorrow without losing.
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Post Post #709 (isolation #143) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:13 pm

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AlmasterGM wrote:I'm wondering where the 100% turnaround on ortolan came from. Sure, I agree that it would be odd for ort to pick DoS as gunbearer, but perhaps scumort simply predicted that DoS would be more cautious as gunbearer, as he just agreed to be. Also, there are three other scum in the game, not just ortolan, so playing around him exclusively would probably be difficult.
Where did this come from? My turnaround is not because the scum picked DoS.

Oh right, you're scum. I bet you were worried someone might make that argument, so you had a response prepared, and it would be a shame not to use it just because nobody used that argument.
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Post Post #721 (isolation #144) » Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:22 am

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Yay for shooting AlmasterGM. Double yay for doing so nearly a week before deadline.
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Post Post #725 (isolation #145) » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:25 am

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Maemuki, please include who said what you're quoting. It makes it terribly hard to read when you don't.
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Post Post #726 (isolation #146) » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:29 am

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Maemuki, please include who said what you're quoting. It makes it terribly hard to read when you don't.
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Post Post #727 (isolation #147) » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:35 am

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Maemuki, it's incredibly hard to make sense of what you write when you have a bunch of quotes and don't include the authors in the quote tags. Stop it.
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Post Post #728 (isolation #148) » Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:21 pm

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Wow, MafiaScum.fail.
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Post Post #731 (isolation #149) » Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:14 pm

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My working plan goes like this:

Shoot Sarag.
If Sarag is scum... shoot someone other than me, Yosarian2, or ortolan. Repeat until all scum are dead. This is a guaranteed win as long as the three players I named are town, and no gunbearer decides to screw us by shooting one of them anyways.

If Sarag isn't scum, look for a plan B.
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Post Post #738 (isolation #150) » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:37 pm

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ortolan wrote:kill Yos now please
Uh, no.
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Post Post #742 (isolation #151) » Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:45 pm

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HowardRoark wrote:On shooting Yosarian2: I agree that it would be telling
Telling of what?
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Post Post #747 (isolation #152) » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:41 am

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ortolan wrote:I don't know why Xyl thinks Yos is town
I read his posts.
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Post Post #749 (isolation #153) » Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:31 am

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Right now I'm leaning towards HowardRoark + HackerHuck as the last two scum, mostly by process of elimination.
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Post Post #755 (isolation #154) » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:21 pm

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Let's see what dead scum had to say about HackerHuck. Most recent from Sarag:
Sarag wrote:HackerHuck
I know why I think he's scum (see my post 587), but why do other people? I had a town read on him early game when a lot of people thought he was scum and I think the case on him is pretty confused at this stage.
Nice "I think he's scum but you shouldn't believe me" post.


Almaster has ... well, almost no interactions with HackerHuck. There's one fluff exchange:
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HackerHuck wrote:I don't think I've seen rewq in a little while. He may warrant a closer look.
He asked for a replacement.
And there's one weak not-even-sure-it's-an-attack:
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HackerHuck wrote:I'm a little surprised by the choice of gunbearer. At first I was happy that Ortolan would be soon revealed as scum, but now I'm wondering whether scum-Ortolan would risk giving DoS the gun.
I don't like this post - it almost seems to be telling DoS to quickshoot ortolan. At the same time, however, I think ortolan is scum. Not sure what to read off it.
And ... that's it.
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Post Post #778 (isolation #155) » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:16 am

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Mrrrrrh.

Still thinking Yos is town; I don't like the sudden turn against him.

HackerHuck being town resolves some doubts I had about HowardRoark being unlikely scum with Hacker.
HackerHuck wrote:Nacho - If you were gunbearer and had to shoot someone now, who would it be and why?
Yes! This is the sort of thing gunbearers should be doing.
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Post Post #781 (isolation #156) » Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:56 pm

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HackerHuck wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:Still thinking Yos is town
Why?
I've noticed Yos has a tendency towards IIoA and, I'm not sure how to describe it, "lazy scumhunting" when he's scum. He covers it well but not consistently. I haven't noticed any signs of it this game; I'll take another look at his iso later.
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Post Post #783 (isolation #157) » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:28 am

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Took another look at Yos, and compared to some past games I've played with him. He is hard to read, but my gut says he's town. I'll take another look if Maemuki and HowardRoark are shot and the game isn't over.
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Post Post #789 (isolation #158) » Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:25 pm

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HackerHuck wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:Took another look at Yos, and compared to some past games I've played with him. He is hard to read, but my gut says he's town. I'll take another look if Maemuki and HowardRoark are shot and the game isn't over.
If you look at Maemuki, she had posited that Sarag and Alamaster were scum together. I would normally think of that as coming more likely from town, but you seem to think she's scummy. Why is that?
Because she's lurking hard. Also, process of elimination.
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Post Post #793 (isolation #159) » Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:03 pm

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Maemuki wrote:
HackerHuck wrote:OK, you had a recent reason to not post. Xyl's probably one of the townies here, so tell me why he's wrong about you.
I don't think that I can defend myself from the mighty process of elimination.
Make a good case on someone else. You've got me, Yos, ort, and nacho to choose from.
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