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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:13 pm

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rite wrote:I think Bogre's line of thinking is that if you're shot, and you're town, you don't die, so there's nothing to be afraid of.

I'm not sure I agree; or, more clearly, I think I might be on Xyl's side on this one. Even though it might be more fun to play in a game until the end, a town win is a town win, and your priority should be ensuring the win of the town, not your personal survival.
Got you.

You don't die, the confirmed town player does. It's the same as a mislynch, which is bad for the town. But you aren't affected.

But I think you've made a misstep here. There is not a very high likelihood of surviving to the endgame, even as the gunbearer. For instance, if I was to be shot, then I'd likely die at some point after that, though I believe I'm pretty good at finding scum. I'm not afraid of that, either.

You are suggesting my goal is personal survival, which I haven't given any suggestion of. You seem to be thinking of personal survival a lot- which is a scum move.

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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:40 pm

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Bogre: crazy or scum? Tonight at 11.
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:53 pm

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For what it's worth, I just (mis?)interpreted
I most definitely want to avoid being shot, because it will be a loss to town. But I am not -afraid- of it...do you see the distinction? Scum have the most to lose from being targetted, not town.
to be a reference to the mechanics of the Popcorn Mafia, namely, that townies still live when targeted, whereas scum are booted from the game. Sorry if I misunderstood.

That said, I'm confused as to why you haven't elaborated on your answer to Vala. I think we can all agree that "unless you want to give me the gun, don't shoot me" is simply a way of saying "I'm a townie so don't shoot me." We all know that. Tell us something we don't know, if only to give Vala (and the rest of us) a sense of how you play.
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:55 pm

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To clarify on how I misinterpreted the quote (I just looked over it again and realized it could be confusing), I thought you were saying that this game was DIFFERENT because you weren't afraid of being shot. That's why I thought you were thinking of personal survival.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:07 pm

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You are lying.
rite wrote: Tell us something we don't know, if only to give Vala (and the rest of us) a sense of how you play.
You also scumslipped. You said you know I'm a townie, and to tell us something you don't know. Only scum know I'm a townie.

So, you're scum.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:22 pm

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The thing we already know is that you'll say you're town.
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:26 pm

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Also, there's no way bogre really thinks that was a scum slip.

I would be totally happy with a shot at Bogre.
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:41 pm

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FoS: Bogre
for:

- Giving a useless answer to Vala's question, and ignoring calls to make a better one.
- Making a very contrived case on rite that involves (1) claiming to have caught rite "thinking of personal survival" when this appears to be Bogre's favourite topic; (2) being very nitpicky in claiming rite scum-slipped by saying he knew Bogre was town.
- Responding to his points being challenged by changing the topic.

(I don't think (2) is
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:19 pm

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Xylthixlm wrote:The thing we already know is that you'll say you're town.
Yes, this.

Also,
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, at the very least until you answer answer Vala's question. I still don't understand why you haven't.
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:26 pm

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Rite is scum.

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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:29 pm

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Bogre is pretty clearly in the wrong here. i don't know if it makes him scum or not, but he's defiantly not making sense.
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:08 pm

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All FoSes are noted.

I'm not really mentally here enough to form an opinion of my own right now, though. Maybe later.

Also, I will be V/LA for most of tomorrow and the day after. No surprise there. <_<
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:33 am

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Yosarian2 wrote:Bogre is pretty clearly in the wrong here. i don't know if it makes him scum or not, but he's defiantly not making sense.
Define why I am clearly in the wrong. Why are you defending the scum, Yos? Rite has scumslipped and should be shot. Sarag is hung up on the fact that of everyone, I was asked to answer 'why shouldn't you shoot me'. Well, the fact is that she shouldn't shoot me because a) she would die, and thats bad for the town, and b) it would be much better if she shot Rite.

I am curious as to what a better answer of that would be, Sarag. Obviously she will see that I am scumhunting (and actually have found one). Why shouldn't she shoot you?

Your first feeling should be, 'because then she'd die.' If its not, then YOU ARE SCUM.
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:02 am

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Bogre wrote:Why are you defending the scum, Yos?
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:19 am

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Bogre wrote: Define why I am clearly in the wrong.
Because you're misinterpreting what Rite said, and obviously so.

The conversation was like this (paraphrasing slightly):

Bogre: "I'm not afraid of getting shot, becuase I'm town."

Rite: "Bogre is saying town shouldn't be afraid of being shot because they won't die. I don't agree; your survival isn't important, it's the victory of the town that's important, so pro-town people should be afraid of being shot; not becuase they'd die, but because it hurts the town's chances of winning.

At that point, you FOS him, with the bizzare statement of
Bogre wrote: You don't die, the confirmed town player does. It's the same as a mislynch, which is bad for the town. But you aren't affected.
Which is EXACTLY WHAT RITE JUST SAID. Either you're not reading his posts, not understanding his posts, or you're pretending you don't in order to invent reasons to attack him. At this point, I'm not sure which it is.

And then you went on to pretty much fabricate a scumtell out of nothing. Rite pointed out that your pro-town claim was useless, and asked you to "tell us something we don't know", and you pretended that meant he "already knew you were a townie", when it's completely obvious to everyone that that's not what he was saying at all.
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:45 am

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rite wrote:"I'm a townie so don't shoot me." We all know that.
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:55 am

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Still not a scumslip.
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:35 am

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Suggesting that Vala shoot rite instead, and claiming to scum-hunt is a much better answer than "I'm town". At the time you answered her quesetion, it
wasn't
obvious that Vala would see you scumhunting, because you hadn't done any. I agree it's a tricky question, but it shouldn't have taken this much pressure to drag a better response out of you. There are still better responses.

Why shouldn't she shoot me? Because I'm an active player, I try to keep my posts game-relevant, on topic and try to be clear about what's actually going on. As town, I will pay attention and make a good effort to scum hunt. As scum, I will leave a long paper trail.

The point of such a question is to get you to say something about yourself, or your play style, to say why you think you're valuable to the game - to help Vala get a read on you.

I agree with Yos' take on Bogre. I disagree with him, but I'm not sure that all this means that he is scum. Xylthixlm seems pretty rabid...

@Elmo - would you please prod Vaya? I'm not sure what your activity policy is...
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:41 am

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Possible Sarag-Bogre buddy tell there.
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:46 am

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What, calling you rabid?
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:48 am

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Sarag wrote:
Why shouldn't she shoot me? Because I'm an active player, I try to keep my posts game-relevant, on topic and try to be clear about what's actually going on. As town, I will pay attention and make a good effort to scum hunt. As scum, I will leave a long paper trail.

The point of such a question is to get you to say something about yourself, or your play style, to say why you think you're valuable to the game - to help Vala get a read on you.
Your take on it is indeed worthwhile.

However, you should understand that I was presenting the position that I knew would garner reactions. It's generated a lot of discussion, which was part of why I did it. Many other answers to that question would have been been impossible to prove/be easily taken as a simple answer and passed over.
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:53 am

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Bogre, my first reaction to that post is: Holy backtracking, Batman!!

I think it's more likely that you just didn't know how to answer. But, ok, you did it to spark discussion. If you say so.
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:09 pm

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Sarag wrote:Bogre, my first reaction to that post is: Holy backtracking, Batman!!

I think it's more likely that you just didn't know how to answer. But, ok, you did it to spark discussion. If you say so.
To get reactions, really.
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:11 pm

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I knew exactly how to answer, and it was intended. I am, and will be, unapologetic for that. I don't think there was a 'better' answer than what I gave.
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:31 pm

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