Mini 886 - Popcorn Mafia - Game over!

[HowardRoark]

Some of this probably won't get answered until day 2, but I wanted to get it in before the day ends in case I'm shot.

Oops! Why would one be worried about being shot D1 . . . and not being around D2? Hmmmmmm . . . SCUM!!

1.) Why do you feel I was tunneling on Rite/Huck? Was this deserved?

I wouldn't say that you were tunneling on rite/HackerHuck. You had useful interaction with other players: ortolan, Slicey, Xylthixlm to name a few.

2)If you had one failing as a scumhunter in this game, what would it be?

Obviously I was wrong about you. I've also probably not been aggressive enough.

3)Who has been the most effective/least effecting in scumhunting?

Until AlmasterGM picks up the pace, he's still been as helpless as Zakeri. Most effective could be any of the active players: Xylthixlm, Slicey, ortolan to name a few. (*toot* Plus me with this Sarag find. *toot*)

4) Who is the most/least protown? Why are you protown? What have you done anti-town?

I find Sarag least pro-town because he is scum. Excluding him, it's AlmasterGM. DragonsofSummer comes in a close second, but from what little experience I have with him, this seems usual. Xylthixlm's advice has been pro-town. I am pro-town for finding that nugget. I've been less than stellar with my play from replacing through the end of the day.


@HackerHuck: I thought my question was very clear: "How did you feel about Xylthixlm guiding Vala Mal Doran?" Answer; don't avoid.

@Yosarian2, rewq455, HackerHuck: Why the worry about the evidence prior to reveal?

@Xylthixlm: Why did you refuse to pick one?

@Yosarian2: Why did you not answer my one suspect question?

[Bogre]

bump to get this back on top after meme's last posts.

[Xylthixlm]

1.) Why do you feel I was tunneling on Rite/Huck? Was this deserved?

Were you? I didn't notice.

2)If you had one failing as a scumhunter in this game, what would it be?

Ask me again after the game.

3)Who has been the most effective/least effecting in scumhunting?

Most effective is me, because I have to keep up my reputation for arrogance.
Least effective is ... hmm ... Vaya got replaced so I'll go with Zakeri/AlamasterGM.

4) Who is the most/least protown? Why are you protown? What have you done anti-town?

I'm always most protown. Least protown would be the scum (Sarag, ortolan, and rewq). I'm protown because I am. Anti-town things I've done... none come to mind.

[Xylthixlm]

Some of this probably won't get answered until day 2, but I wanted to get it in before the day ends in case I'm shot.

Oops! Why would one be worried about being shot D1 . . . and not being around D2? Hmmmmmm . . . SCUM!!

Mmm.

@Xylthixlm: Why did you refuse to pick one?

Because there's more than one scum left.

[AlmasterGM]

I don't think these assessments of me are really fair. I've made some comments today, but there hasn't been a whole lot of new posting, so minus some revaluation, what I can do is limited. My previous evaluations of D1 still stands, minus Borge obviously, as do my suspicions of HR.

[AlmasterGM]

Actually, on second thought and having just re-read the current page, HR's last post was pretty interesting. Given Sarag's prior actions, that comment seems pretty damning.

[HackerHuck]

@HackerHuck: I thought my question was very clear: "How did you feel about Xylthixlm guiding Vala Mal Doran?" Answer; don't avoid.

I thought I was pretty clear in my response. I'll try to rephrase it so that you understand.

I didn't really think that Xyl was specifically guiding Vala. Give me some examples of what

you're

talking about and I'll give you my feelings on them.

I'll answer Bogre's questions in the morning.

[Yosarian2]

@HackerHuck: I thought my question was very clear: "How did you feel about Xylthixlm guiding Vala Mal Doran?" Answer; don't avoid.

Is that what you think was happening, Howard?

@Yosarian2, rewq455, HackerHuck: Why the worry about the evidence prior to reveal?

Huh? What are you talking about?

@Yosarian2: Why did you not answer my one suspect question?

I'm not sure what question you're talking about, but right now my main suspect would be either you, Sarag, or DOS.

[HowardRoark]

@HackerHuck: I thought my question was very clear: "How did you feel about Xylthixlm guiding Vala Mal Doran?" Answer; don't avoid.

Is that what you think was happening, Howard?

Obviously he was.

@HackerHuck: How did you feel about Xylthixlm guiding Vala Mal Doran?

I don't recall anyone really trying to lead the town around yesterday. What in particular would you like me to comment on?

@HackerHuck: I thought my question was very clear: "How did you feel about Xylthixlm guiding Vala Mal Doran?" Answer; don't avoid.

I thought I was pretty clear in my response. I'll try to rephrase it so that you understand.

I didn't really think that Xyl was specifically guiding Vala. Give me some examples of what you're talking about and I'll give you my feelings on them.

These answers do not address Xylthixlm's advice giving yesterday because that would show the different standards in response to my play versus Xylthixlm's. (@HackerHuck: Look at iso 0, 4, 32, 36, 49 to you, 50, 52, 53, 54, 55, 65, 66 for some examples with Vala Mal Doran and other players.)


Posts 423, 433, and 444 are where I indicated that I wanted a single suspect from every player. I revealed that I had a damning piece of evidence on a player. The reasoning to get one top suspect should be clear.


I would like everyone to weigh-in on the evidence. (For those who need it spelled out: Do you agree that Sarag is obvscum based on the post 360 statement? If not, why not?)

[AlmasterGM]

@Xylthixlm: Regardless of whether what you did on D1 was guiding or not, you seem to be doing less of it today. Why aren't you trying to guide Borge as much as you did Vala?

[Xylthixlm]

@Xylthixlm: Regardless of whether what you did on D1 was guiding or not, you seem to be doing less of it today. Why aren't you trying to guide Borge as much as you did Vala?

Given how everyone seemed to align behind my scumreads yesterday, I'm trying to hang back more today and see what everyone else comes up with.

[HackerHuck]

So here's some questions to get you guys going.

1.) Why do you feel I was tunneling on Rite/Huck? Was this deserved?

2)If you had one failing as a scumhunter in this game, what would it be?

3)Who has been the most effective/least effecting in scumhunting?

4) Who is the most/least protown? Why are you protown? What have you done anti-town?

1) I'm probably not the best person to answer this. It certainly wasn't deserved. I don't really understand why you stuck with your arguments on Rite, when I didn't see the scumminess to begin with.

2) So far it's being a distraction with my reasons for putting you as my second scummiest.

3) Most effective would probably be xyl, because I find myself agreeing with many of his comments. Least effective is a little harder because I tend to equate least effective with lack of effort, not potential misdirection. For that, I'd point to DoS.

4) Most pro-town would be Xyl, least would be Ortolan. I'm protown because I'm trying to hunt for scum and I'm challenging some of the wagons that I've seen. As for anti-town, I'll go back to my comments about self-preservation. They're true - because in this game shooting me kills a townie - but they did cause an unnecessary distraction.

[HackerHuck]

Some of this probably won't get answered until day 2, but I wanted to get it in before the day ends in case I'm shot.

Oops! Why would one be worried about being shot D1 . . . and not being around D2? Hmmmmmm . . . SCUM!!

Do you really find this to be a significant scumtell or is it just someone forgetting the different mechanics of this game?

@HackerHuck: How did you feel about Xylthixlm guiding Vala Mal Doran?

I don't recall anyone really trying to lead the town around yesterday. What in particular would you like me to comment on?

@HackerHuck: I thought my question was very clear: "How did you feel about Xylthixlm guiding Vala Mal Doran?" Answer; don't avoid.

I thought I was pretty clear in my response. I'll try to rephrase it so that you understand.

I didn't really think that Xyl was specifically guiding Vala. Give me some examples of what you're talking about and I'll give you my feelings on them.

These answers do not address Xylthixlm's advice giving yesterday because that would show the different standards in response to my play versus Xylthixlm's. (@HackerHuck: Look at iso 0, 4, 32, 36, 49 to you, 50, 52, 53, 54, 55, 65, 66 for some examples with Vala Mal Doran and other players.)

I don't see that your behaviour is at all similar to Xyl's. Xyl was giving general advice that would apply to any gunbearer, whereas you appear to be leading the town and ignoring the gunbearer. Even if I felt that Xyl were "guiding Vala", I don't think it compares here. You're not guiding Bogre, rather trying to take over for him.

I would like everyone to weigh-in on the evidence. (For those who need it spelled out: Do you agree that Sarag is obvscum based on the post 360 statement? If not, why not?)

Not Obvscum, because I don't see any damning evidence in that post. Wouldn't it be more useful if you actually pointed to what you felt made him "obvscum"?

[Elmo]

ortolan, Slicey & Sarag have been prodded.

[DragonsofSummer]

1.) Why do you feel I was tunneling on Rite/Huck? Was this deserved?

2)If you had one failing as a scumhunter in this game, what would it be?

3)Who has been the most effective/least effecting in scumhunting?

4) Who is the most/least protown? Why are you protown? What have you done anti-town?

1. I feel you were tunneling on Rite because you wouldn't listen to anyone else when no one agreed with you about him having a "major" scum slip, that wasn't a slip at all, and then just kept pushing it without analyzing other play.

2.My lurkeriness, I have not been giving this game my full attention at all.

3. I would say either xyl or HR as most efficient. Almaster or Ort as least efficeint.

4. Xyl is most protown, Ort or Almaster least protown. I am protown because thats what my role pm said. I have lurked more than I should which is anti-town.

[Yosarian2]

People who need to get shot and die: Howard, Sarag, DOS.

[rewq455]

Xyl is most protown, Ort or Almaster least protown. I am protown because thats what my role pm said. I have lurked more than I should which is anti-town

Apparently all of our PMs said town. Anyone's say anything different?

[Slicey]

Work/Finals = No time really. Sorry I've been lurking so much. Tomorrow is my last final thank god, so activity should go up a little bit (though I'm til 10 tomorrow and a 15 hour shift on Wednesday so no guarantees.) I'm really sorry.

[ortolan]

prodded, scum are probably still the same but I will read up to date I guess

[HowardRoark]

Obviously I believe that Sarag made an honest scum slip. If I hadn't I probably would have handled it differently. If Bogre had an issue with how I was handling the find, I expect that he would say something just as some of you did. When he asked that I reveal before I had all of the responses that I had hoped to see, I did so.


Happy holiday greeting to all.

[HackerHuck]

I just don't get it, so could you please spell it out. What was the big scumslip in 360 and why does getting a single suspect from everyone help you out before the big reveal?

Your last post seems a little less certain than you were before.

[ortolan]

Bogre if by any chance you're not going to shoot one of dos hacker sarag or almaster please just shoot me instead so I can frag the scum. I don't want the scum whittling away my credibility with their atrocious arguments so that I don't get the gun till the 3rd or 4th mislynch

[Xylthixlm]

Bad

ortolan.

[Yosarian2]

Ort, if you are town, it's your duty to try not to get shot. When you say stuff like that, if it's not a gambit, you're at least skirting the edge of "play to win" stuff. Don't, please.

(Of course, if you are scum and that was a gambit to make you look town, then it's perfectly acceptable under the rules. )

[AlmasterGM]

If I had the gun, I would shoot either ortolan or Saraag right now.

Ortolan because of what just happened.

Saraag because he hasn't posted in a while, which is odd given HR's offensive claims.