Mini 886 - Popcorn Mafia - Game over!

Maemuki · Post Post #625 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:00 am

Sarag, do you really want a dead-weight gunbearer? Do you really really want DoS to be the gunbearer? Don't think so. shooting scummy people > shooting lurkish people

More later when I can be bothered to read walls of text.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #626 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:32 am

Maemuki wrote:Sarag, do you really want a dead-weight gunbearer? Do you really really want DoS to be the gunbearer?

Interesting; you believe DOS is town, then? Any specific reason for that?

Don't think so. shooting scummy people > shooting lurkish people

So, your plan is to never shoot lurkers, to tell the scum that we won't ever shoot lurkers, and hope the scum decide never to take advantage of that?

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #627 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:44 am

Bogre wrote: Nachomamma- Heavy More on the basis of Drake and Rewq, but interestingly enough has been primarily knocking at Xyl. (Like Howard) Rewq was very scummy, didn't contribute too much, and wasn't reasoning well.

Bad logic isn't a scumtell.
There's not much I can say to this, really... If there is anything you'd like me to answer, questions help.

Bogre wrote: Note Nachomamma and HR haven't said anything about each other.

Since I've been around, he's been pretty quiet. Is there anything you'd like me to say about him? One scumtell doesn't make up a case, and I find indirect attacks on people generally considered protown scummy. Other than that, I don't really have much to say.

Maemuki · Post Post #628 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:07 am

Interesting; you believe DOS is town, then? Any specific reason for that?

Mmmm, no. I see why you thought that I thought that he was town (best sentence ever), but that's not the case. I'm just afraid of the possibility of DoS being town. Remember, not everyone can get a scum PM.

So, your plan is to never shoot lurkers, to tell the scum that we won't ever shoot lurkers, and hope the scum decide never to take advantage of that?

Not really. Shoot scummy lurkers sure, but imagine they're town. Do you want a dead-weight gunbearer? But we shouldn't shoot someone just because they're lurking over somebody that we're more sure that is scum. ...did you understand?

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions.

What questions?

Xylthixlm · Post Post #629 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:13 am

Maemuki wrote:Sarag, do you really want a dead-weight gunbearer? Do you really really want DoS to be the gunbearer? Don't think so.

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Maemuki · Post Post #630 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:22 am

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Whoa you had a lot of time to waste.

Xylthixlm · Post Post #631 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:31 am

Maemuki wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:So, your plan is to never shoot lurkers, to tell the scum that we won't ever shoot lurkers, and hope the scum decide never to take advantage of that?
Not really. Shoot scummy lurkers sure, but imagine they're town. Do you want a dead-weight gunbearer? But we shouldn't shoot someone just because they're lurking over somebody that we're more sure that is scum. ...did you understand?

You failed to actually address Yos's point. If you only shoot "scummy" lurkers, and don't consider lurking itself scummy, what is to stop scum from doing nothing at all and thus never getting shot? It's the logical scum response to your position. If you can't answer that it doesn't matter how reasonable your position seems; the logical consequence of it is the town losing, so

you had better find a different position

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Nachomamma8 · Post Post #632 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:34 am

Xylthixlm wrote:
Vala Mal Doran wrote:Well, I should ideally find someone who is scummy AND would make at least a semi-decent gunbearer if town, at least day 1 when we have relatively little info.
No. You should find someone who is scummy, period.
Cast all thoughts of who would make a good gunbearer from your mind, and never think of them again.

Maemuki · Post Post #633 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:42 am

Whoa Nacho and Xyl agree on something!

...I guess you're both right. Today's "Maemuki Corrects Herself" Day, I guess.

Either way, I think we should shoot Sarag, but I can't quite put my finger on it. I'll try tomorrow, I'm tired today. And sleepy.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #634 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:01 pm

Maemuki wrote:What questions?

These questions:

Yosarian2 wrote:
Maemuki wrote:
None of that is a scumtell.
Why...did you just answer a question that was not directed to you?
Because Xyl was being attacked for an obviously bad reason by both you and Nacho, and I'm trying to figure out if that means you and Nacho didn't understand mafia theory, or if it has more to do with one or both of your alignments.

Now explain this to me. Why is "leading the town" a scumtell? And why, when I explain to you that it's not, was your only reaction to criticize me for "answering a question directed at someone else" rather then respond to what I actually said?

Sarag · Post Post #635 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:10 pm

Maemuki wrote:Sarag, do you really want a dead-weight gunbearer? Do you really really want DoS to be the gunbearer? Don't think so. shooting scummy people > shooting lurkish people

I believe DoS is scummy. He's not top of my list, but his lurking has gone on for far too long. A credible threat of being shot may pressure him to be more active and give us a better read. If it doesn't, he should be shot.

Xyl, Yos and Nacho have covered why your stance is bad policy and I agree with what they said.

Elmo · Post Post #636 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:15 pm

The

deadline

is Wednesday 6th January 2010, 22:00 UTC, which is 4 hours and 16 minutes previous to this post.

Bogre

just can't take the strain and opts to blow his brains out rather than risk hurting a townie. Ironic, seeing as he was one.
The mafia will now pick the next gunbearer; you have 48 hours, or random.org decides for you. The thread will be locked until the mafia make their selection.

Elmo · Post Post #637 (ISO) » Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:56 pm

Day 3 dawns!

The gunbearer is

DragonsofSummer

.
The

deadline

is Wednesday 27th January, 22:00 UTC, which is 18 days, 12 hours and 3 minutes from this post.

Xylthixlm · Post Post #638 (ISO) » Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:10 pm

Well that sucked.

Maemuki · Post Post #639 (ISO) » Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:18 pm

Xylthixlm wrote:Well that sucked.

Glad we agree on something. I wonder if we can get a replacement for DoS.

HackerHuck · Post Post #640 (ISO) » Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:21 pm

Xylthixlm wrote:Well that sucked.

Yes it did. Let's hope DoS is a little more involved than he has been lately.

I'm a little surprised by the choice of gunbearer. At first I was happy that Ortolan would be soon revealed as scum, but now I'm wondering whether scum-Ortolan would risk giving DoS the gun.

Bogre · Post Post #641 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:09 am

*pulls the gun out of his mouth*

I apologize to you guys. I was traveling on deadline day, expected to be at a computer in time to shoot, however, there was bad weather and delays and a turn around, so I wasn't able too. Good luck, and sorry again.

*replaces the gun and ghosts off*

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #642 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:28 am

HackerHuck wrote: I'm a little surprised by the choice of gunbearer. At first I was happy that Ortolan would be soon revealed as scum, but now I'm wondering whether scum-Ortolan would risk giving DoS the gun.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=WIFOM

Sarag · Post Post #643 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:20 pm

We are now in lylo. DoS, if you misfire, town loses.

I really hope you'll be a bit more active and please don't just shoot straight off the bat like you said you would. Ultimately you still just have to shoot who you think is most scummy, and the fact that scum handed you the gun doesn't change that. Please look at everyone, not just the few people you've commented on so far.

I'm hoping we'll see some better play from ortolan today. You've had one of your scumlist confirmed as town, so it's time to reassess.

I'm still comfortable with the cases on HowardRoark and HackerHuck. I feel worse about my case on DragonsofSummer. :p

ortolan · Post Post #644 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:22 pm

Sarag wrote:I'm hoping we'll see some better play from ortolan today. You've had one of your scumlist confirmed as town, so it's time to reassess.

LOL. nice try.

ortolan · Post Post #645 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:23 pm

I would definitely kill Sarag over HackerHuck, when I read him in iso yesterday I couldn't help but think that *gasp* I might have been wrong about him.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #646 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:34 pm

Well, shit.

Mod: Could you prod Dragon of Summer, please?

AlmasterGM · Post Post #647 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:16 pm

Maemuki wrote:Sarag, do you really want a dead-weight gunbearer? Do you really really want DoS to be the gunbearer? Don't think so. shooting scummy people > shooting lurkish people

More later when I can be bothered to read walls of text.

This post is pretty interesting given who was selected as gunbearer.

Sarag wrote:I'm hoping we'll see some better play from ortolan today. You've had one of your scumlist confirmed as town, so it's time to reassess.

So if ortolan improves, would you still shoot him? How do you evaluate all that scummy shenanigans from yesterday?

HackerHuck wrote:I'm a little surprised by the choice of gunbearer. At first I was happy that Ortolan would be soon revealed as scum, but now I'm wondering whether scum-Ortolan would risk giving DoS the gun.

I don't like this post - it almost seems to be telling DoS to quickshoot ortolan. At the same time, however, I think ortolan is scum. Not sure what to read off it.

I just did an ISO of Maemukai and all I'm seeing in terms of accusations is Sarag, and there's not much backing behind it. Mae, is Sarag your only suspect? If so, why? If not, who else and why?

Elmo · Post Post #648 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:40 pm

DragonsofSummer has been prodded by request.

HackerHuck · Post Post #649 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:36 pm

AlmasterGM wrote:
HackerHuck wrote:I'm a little surprised by the choice of gunbearer. At first I was happy that Ortolan would be soon revealed as scum, but now I'm wondering whether scum-Ortolan would risk giving DoS the gun.
I don't like this post - it almost seems to be telling DoS to quickshoot ortolan. At the same time, however, I think ortolan is scum. Not sure what to read off it.

I was actually trying to say the opposite. I think DoS needs to reconsider whether Ortolan is really town.

Nacho, I don't think you really understand WIFOM.

It looks like Sarag is correct and we're in LYLO, then selecting DoS makes more sense. I'll try and do a reread, since we don't want to count on DoS leading the way today.