Mini 917 -- Precision Mafia (Game Over)

[McGriddle]

@ everyone what is everyones feelings towards CP's?

and fhqh lol at the 4chan references. I was thinking about that as I read it lol.

[McGriddle]

The1fifi, I now really hope you're NOT town, because you're wasting our CP. (@McGriddle: this is going to cause some serious Freudian slips.)

lol i hope not. I have to agree with your statement though about the1fifi.

[McGriddle]

FOS: Fhqwgads

for having a Strongbad reference as a name. Unless you're actually typing with boxing gloves on. Then you're clear.

Also, we should try to save CPs as much as possible. The way I understand it, the mafia have their own points seperate from ours, so trying to intentionally waste them just robs us of investigations or protects (if we have a doc and a cop)

well, the way they are saying it is that everyone wastes theirs until 1 is left, if somebody doesn't vote they are suspicious. This would only work if we had a communal effort though.

[McGriddle]

Public Service Announcement:

Do not attempt to break the setup.

That is all.

I agree. It takes the fun out of a themed game.

[McGriddle]

Wow, this game certainly got punched into overdrive rather quickly lol.

[McGriddle]

Proficiency with a second language is not correlated with general intelligence. Don't bash on someone because they don't share your native language. That's ignorant.

The VI bit and the can't speak English properly bit are entirely separate points. English isn't my native language either.

Why would fifi flipping town (which he probably won't) mean I'm likely to be scum?

You've been acting pretty scummy IMO, but if Fifi's scum then you're probably not. I prioritise Fifi's lynch over yours because I have a hard time playing with people like him (see Fhq's #61).

Wow, this game certainly got punched into overdrive rather quickly lol.

Hi McGriddle, how are you? Do you have anything not-useless to say?

Lol not really besides the theory that the people voting carelessly are probably not scum, except for the initial voter.

[McGriddle]

Well, the way I see is, scum wanted to throw out the idea of wasting CP's and some town bit when they voted fifi, this is an elaborate way for scum-fifi to use a little CP's to get the town to waste a few, and in the end of the day, fifi knows the votes will be put elsewhere when he can pull himself out of this. Just my thoughts so far, nothing to jump off of, ie no FoS's or votes or anything.

[McGriddle]

okay,

fifi- waste CP to get town on his wagon.

town- bite at that

fifi - now lay low and get a good scum hunting action going to get the town to switch votes to someone else, leaving the town with little CP during the night, and scum having a lot left over.

[McGriddle]

Actually, I can see why Mr McGriddle is trying to say and it's not too bad.

The advice I take from it is, don't let fifi talk his way out of it.

Exactly, and thank you.

[McGriddle]

Really,i am just astonished. after slapping my self, i still can't understand how is this possible!! A freaking noob mistake, and just because nothing else happened i am scum instantly!? really.. i don't know what the hell to say, because you makes as much sense as a redberry pie in top of a three singing 3 blind rats

lol.


Why do I have the only avatar in this thread that's not hard to look at?

It's Bauxy, how could that be hard to look at?

[McGriddle]

Really,i am just astonished. after slapping my self, i still can't understand how is this possible!! A freaking noob mistake, and just because nothing else happened i am scum instantly!? really.. i don't know what the hell to say, because you makes as much sense as a redberry pie in top of a three singing 3 blind rats

lol.


Why do I have the only avatar in this thread that's not hard to look at?

It's Bauxy, how could that be hard to look at?

Missed the "not"

I know, I am just saying, it's hard for anyone to match that. Everything looks ugly compared to the queen.

[McGriddle]

Lol @ Cobalt.

[McGriddle]

I won't let fifi's shenanigans go on without a vote on my end.

Vote: fifi

He is getting really defensive and making personal attacks, plus the other reason I posted earlier.

[McGriddle]

Rofl

[McGriddle]

Seacore, are you a protown power role?

What the hell could possibly be your justification for asking such an absurd question?

lol agreed. Sorry I am not posting much, I don't have much to say lol.

[McGriddle]

Seacore, are you a protown power role?

What the hell could possibly be your justification for asking such an absurd question?

lol agreed. Sorry I am not posting much, I don't have much to say lol.

Just wanted to highlight this post so it doesn't get lost in the madness. What a great addition to town we have here... No content, just a vote on the wagon leader.

I have said all I wanted to say today. There's nothing else here with much substance.

[McGriddle]

You have said you wanted to lynch fifi and why he was scummy.

ok.

Nothing to say about the plan to burn CP? Almaster just claimed day-vig, and shot Seacore. No substance there either?

Wow.

nope. i have too much of a life to understand everyones logic, and I could care less about seacore except that he was active and cool lol,.

[McGriddle]

No, he's not obvtown at all. But if he's alive tomorrow, we can force him to kill who we want him to kill lest he be instantly lynched for failure. The most likely scenario is that the scums outright shoot him. If he's really town power, he probably represents most of the power roles our entire team has and the scum are going to shoot him. It's pointless for us to kill the scum's targets for them.

I want McGriddle to burn instead. He's lurkish and the mehful response to Almaster's death didn't sit well.

I am lurking because I am confused.

[McGriddle]

Meh, I don't like leaving a trigger happy vig alive, because if he "lives for too long" (either because scum let him live for WIFOM or he is scum) then it gets to the point where we say:

"Ok, lynch him now!" and then he goes.

"BWHAHAH YOURE GOING DOWN WITH ME!" and we end up at lylo the next day or something.

I have a meta on Mcgriddle, he's useless. He's a better lynch candidate tomorrow (barring no CP evidence) than he is to burn. One of the inactive should burn though, because I can't get a read on them otherwise.

Such as fqgghaweghqdas, Cruciare, or bv130

The game still hasn't really taken off yet, it's all about how to bend the rules to make sure there are no night kills, which, to me, defeats the purpose of being in a theme game, but that's just my opinion. You want me lynched based off active confusion, I don't want t post because I don't want to confuse everyone who is involved with the conversation, because then I would get even more confused. Once we actually have real accusations I will be here to join in or defend myself against them.

[McGriddle]

It's ok if he'll phase in when scumhunting starts, Iec

What I need from everyone in the thread now, whether you understand burning or not

1. Declaration of who you think should be investigated today, as if a sane cop were doing it.
2. Declaration of who you think should be lynched today. (fifi doesn't represent "sunk" votes, the people who voted him can be countned has burn 1 and then other players can lynch someone else who won the vote. So don't worry about that factor, ftr)



I personally think Fifi is useless though. My vote.
1. Burn-investigate JR
2. Lynch fifi

And no voting until the setup wizards decide how

Burn-inv - iecerit or whatever
Lynch - fifi

[McGriddle]

Investiburn -- McGriddle would do. Or any of the lurkers.
Lynch - fifi

it's too bad im not lurking anymore.

[McGriddle]

I wasn't putting you in the category, necessarily.

hm, misunderstood then sorry

[McGriddle]

wow....

[McGriddle]

@ALL: Please reselect burn votes. I think scumclaims merit a revote. I select Cruciare for burn now.


Incidentally, if i'm not mistaken only Cruciare is the one who hasn't burned 1 yet. (iec and fhq have both been assigned to lynch fifi). Please do so when you come back to the thread Cruciare, it will be done whether or not the majority/plurality of the town selects you as a burn target. Just vote any player that is no where near lynch threshhold. me, cobalt, mcgriddle, whatevs.


I'd also like to hear what you think of fifi's last actions, cruc.

do I need to burn vote? I am a little confused.

[McGriddle]

EXAMPLE

1. Suppose town would have wasted 12 CP.
2. We have Cruc burn 8 votes.
3a. townCommander sees that we actually wasted 4 CP.
4a. So Cruc must have been town. A free investigation!
3b. townCommander sees that we indeed wasted 12 CP.
4b. So Cruc must be scum. He didn't use our CP. A free investigation!

I hope that clears things up. We're only having one player burn and regulating how many times each player votes to make it easier for the Commander to determine whether 8 CP are missing, since he *may* not know how much CP he personally contributes to the pool.

Wait, if town wasted 12 CP and Cruc burned 8 points, if he were town wouldn't town have wasted 12 instead of 4? I think that may be backwards.

[McGriddle]

No. If Cruc is town, he uses townCP to perform his votes and unvotes. So final townCP (as seen by Commanders) will have decreased.

oh i see, he will have 4 remaining. i though you meant something else

[McGriddle]

Note that it's possible this plan may backfire if town Commanders give like 20 CP, or if town Commanders know how much CP they give, but there are 2 town Commanders. That's why SC wanted to avoid burning D1 to establish a baseline. I think it's worth a gamble, though, since we don't have many days in a mini.

okay so he burned what are we waiting for nao?

[McGriddle]

He burned 1 vote. Since everyone burned 1 vote, that isn't enough to judge his or anyone else's alignment by end-phase CP.

To make burning useful, Cruc (and ONLY Cruc) needs to expend a disproportionate amount of CP. That's why pops asked him to vote him 9 times.

In other words, Cruc hasn't burned yet and also hasn't really indicated why or whether he thinks someone else is a better a priori burn target. That's what we're waiting on. Cruc should do one of those things. Also, any players who think Cruc is not a good burn target should speak up.

Well Cruc is under some pressure to burn votes, and he seems to be avoiding burning votes, so I think he is the best candidate. He only burned 1 vote and that won't help us figure out who scum is. So the fact that he is absent makes it seem like he is avoiding burning and praying that someone lynches fifi or burn votes in the mean time.

[McGriddle]

This is just annoying. If it wasn't for the fact that this is a game I'm interested in, I'd be replacing out. Breaking the setup this bad defeats the purpose of the game.
/rant

Now that that's out of the way, let's just get this day over and done with. I'm so sick of it that it's not even funny.

sounds like somebodies scum buddy is being forced to burn his votes.

(looks at bv310 then back to cruc)

[McGriddle]

I OBJECT.

OBJECT MY BALLS

Lol the balls are inert.

[McGriddle]

I won't be replacing out, but I'm still not happy. This isn't the game I signed up for. This is just one player trying to break the game, and a bunch of others following instead of playing a game of mafia.

stop whining

[McGriddle]

lol he's being replaced

[McGriddle]

Okay. This was an interesting day 1... to say the least.

My thoughts :

- The1ffy : As confirmed scum as someone could be. Today lynch.

- The Command point drain is the worst idea i have ever heard. Seriously? You really think the mod didn't think about it? That we could just get free cop investigations like that? Didn't it occur to your mind that there might be roles altering how CP are distributed and that the scum might have some that would drain / change the number of CP town has? (and i have role-related reasons to believe they might have - please don't rolefish, i don't want to say more on this for now)

If the town really wants me to burn, i'll do so, but I have a very bad feeling about this, and on those behind this "plan".

- Are Daykilling SK usual on this site? Almaster kill made me think exactly of one, but it might be becomes i come from a different meta where mods love this kind of thing. I doubt he is mafia though, as two kills/day for one side is clearly overpowered for a mini.

Velcome to ze game. I am willing to give up the whole burn CP thing and just play the game like we normally do, except more conservatively.

[McGriddle]

Wow, McGriddle is scum.

Why? because I am confused about burning? because i think it is kinda stupid to break the way the game was made? I signed up for a themed game, wanting the rules to be a strain on the game play, so far, the only game play is setting up for tomorrow to see if, through the rules, we have scum. I just think the burning CP thing is lame.

[McGriddle]

Vote: Deadline Extension

[McGriddle]

FFS!!! I am scum. just vote me

Vote yourself lol

[McGriddle]

for the love of G just hammer T.T

[McGriddle]

NOO!!! lol poor Iecerint. Well how do we know if the investigation came up clean?

[McGriddle]

@pops - Vig's are pretty powerful. I hoped the mafia would use their NK on me (an effective vanilla townie) so our other PR's would be protected. Obviously, they did not take the bait.

@bv - I have never played as Vig before, I didn't want to sit around lest I lose my shot, Seacore seemed like a reasonable target, and so I used it. You can call it a bad move all you want, but what's done is done.

@ fate - your FOS is extremely hot-tempered and not well-thought out. The mafia NK'd last night. That means you are proposing that I am either "Mafia-with-multiple-kills-per-round, some of which are daykills" or "Daykilling serial killer who can choose whether to kill or not and is revealed as the shooter." Both of these possibilities are ludicrous - the probabilities of them existing in a game that appears to be pretty normal (e.g., no bastard modding) are practically zero. Be logical.

Well it seems a little fishy that they didn't take the bate.

[McGriddle]

Well it seems a little fishy that they didn't take the bate.

*bait.

And yes, clearly.

Anyway, content-wise (woah, when was the last time anyone mentioned that!) McGriddle and JR's posts yesterday were of pretty poor quality.

OMGUS after I placed suspicion on you.

It's fishy from our POV, you are obviously not town-aligned. Why wouldn't scum want to kill you?

[McGriddle]

Hmmmmmmmm!!!

You know what? This pseudo-investigations are AWESOME.

Why?

Because if no commander comes forward with a guilty... we can assume Elscouta is innocent. Of course it should be taken with some salt, but it is good for PoE at D2 at least.

We get an innocent without a "cop" needing to come forward! Hail! Anyway let's move this day forward.

FoS:

McG for lynch. He calls Almaster "obviously not town-aligned" (when I did it before it was for reaction fishing, btw)

Burn Candidates:

Bv130/J.R. Can't read either of these guys.

The bolded above is COMPLETE bullshit. You are covering your ass so badly.

I am not following anything you say, I have my own judgements, and I believe he is obviously not town. Why else would mafia keep him alive at the risk of them being daykilled by him?

[McGriddle]

Because he used his shot near randomly D1, and near random shots almost always hit town?

It is possible they want to use his shots to kill town, or (hmmm) push his lynch on the basis of his Seacore shot. Wait, that's what you're doing!?

OR that he used his shot to kill town and wanted it to look as if he were doing it completely random. This is a game of deception, and if you can't grasp that then you will surely lose the majority of your games.

[McGriddle]

get your hands off me etc
almaster, please post a bolded kill action in-thread to prove you were 1-shot

good idea!

[McGriddle]

assuming you are 1-shot vig, you are town and mcgriddle is scum

I'd just like to know how that makes me scum because I didn't believe him.

[McGriddle]

So you're saying you don't think he's on your team?


Now that everyone's posted, it's claimtime. I'm town commander, and I saw way too much CP in the pool last night.

12 players from the start of the game -25% scum= 9 players.
-deadseacor= 8 players.

8 players*3 cp=24 cp+3 cp was my bonus yesterday=27.

27-8 because each player voted is 19.

19-1 lynch= 18.
18 - about 3= 15
so I expected 15 cp if elscouta was scum, 15-8=7 if he was town.

I saw 17 cp. The direction of error is even more great for him being scum.


If there's another commander, don't claim. Realize that I'm probably commander since I reported a correct amount of cp for last night. Unless you had a very massive amount of cp, just let's lynch him anyway.

I have a varying amount of cp each day. I don't think you Need To Know how much cp i got today.

Why aren't you voting then?

[McGriddle]

Yeah, yeah, just lynch me and let me care about a game where both sides have actually a chance of winning.

Vote: Elscouta

I am a Private and last night I visited fhq... obv came up not commander lol

This doesn't count as a vote.

[McGriddle]

I took your "It's claim time" as everyone claims.

Besides, we killed off scum commander so I can't investigate anyone else. There is only (I thought) 1 commander. Privates can only visit a player and find out if he/she is commander. I wouldn't know if a player is town or scum aligned commander if I DID find out. Besides, he basically confirmed he was scum with his last post and that should mean end-game

[McGriddle]

When did that happen? I thought we were lynching you based on Pops' claim.

Nah. It has been decided it was better to lynch him first, so that we can confirm he is actually the town commander.

Stop lying, you are dying today

[McGriddle]

Picking up prod, I am here I am just confused on whats going on as you guys have turned this from a game to a setup win for town lol.

[McGriddle]

Wtf are we waiting on?

[McGriddle]

Can we just kill him and I can investigate him tonight?

[McGriddle]

Unvote

Vote: McGriddle

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Unvote

Vote: Elscouta

There. Because some people had wanted me to do it and we need to move this game forward. Pwnman, fwghwads, or Bv130 are one of the lurker scummies.

Vote: Elscouta

that's the hammer I believe.

[McGriddle]

DAMN what's with the triple kill?

Anyways, I investigated popsofctown to make sure he was commander and to see how many bonus command point he got. He only had 2 extra. Judge this as you may.

Well we all know Almaster and I are town, that leaves pwnman, Cobalt, and Fate. I think it would be a good time for everyone to claim and give any information they have now, then we can lynch in the order out of you 3 in who is the scummiest player. If we lynch a townie then me or Almaster are gone, and you lose a confirmed townie, So we need to get it right now, but if we don't, lylo is still winable. If we have a doctor figure (I don't know if the setup permits it) then you need to protect one of me or Almaster.

[McGriddle]

we already had a jailer flip, and any doc who isn't an idiot would have protected pops last night, so I don't think we have any more.
McGriddle, remind me why we think you are confirmed, because you are a scummy dude

I am a private, and I knew that fhq was no a commander at all, and pops was (after I investigated) was a commander with 2 extra CP.

[McGriddle]

we already had a jailer flip, and any doc who isn't an idiot would have protected pops last night, so I don't think we have any more.
McGriddle, remind me why we think you are confirmed, because you are a scummy dude

I am a private, and I knew that fhq was no a commander at all, and pops was (after I investigated) was a commander with 2 extra CP.

Are you in any way confirmed aside from that claim?

Not neccesairily, but it's pretty obv that I am a private.

[McGriddle]

we already had a jailer flip, and any doc who isn't an idiot would have protected pops last night, so I don't think we have any more.
McGriddle, remind me why we think you are confirmed, because you are a scummy dude

I am a private, and I knew that fhq was no a commander at all, and pops was (after I investigated) was a commander with 2 extra CP.

Are you in any way confirmed aside from that claim?

Not neccesairily, but it's pretty obv that I am a private.

No, it isn't. You claimed the ability to see if someone is a commander and if so, how much CP they have left. Then you claimed targeting the dead commander and... he's a commander! QUE SURPRISE. So you are in no way confirmed. But you ARE likely scum based on the way you reacted to almaster's shot and claim.

please die

Wow you are garsping so hard.

Vote:Cobalt

[McGriddle]

lolwut?

You are turning it on me. You are one of the top 3 suspects I want to be lynched, so you are trying to get me lynched in return.

[McGriddle]

So, let's vote for who Almaster shoots today.

I WON'T BE FOOLED BY AN EVERY OTHER DAY SK!

Seriously, test your shot again.

Also, McGriddle, Private can just as easily be a scum role. You targeting Pops was a terrible waste, you should've seen if Almaster was a SK Commander at least.

Also, THIS IS PRECISION MAFIA. Stop wasting your votes. This may also be LyLo, so BE CAREFUL WITH THAT ****

NK speculation: Mason's die when they try to recruit scum. Mason's die together when leader is killed. The former implies one scum team, the latter implies we have an unaccounted kill.

Pwnman fails pretty hardcore. He's the wild card throwing off my reads.
Will post again later after Almaster "shoots"

It wasn't a waste, I knew he would die, so I investigated to see how many CP's he had, he said yesterday how many he had, so I was investigating (taking over investigation) of his commander investigation.

pops investigates bv through burn votes. I know pops will die so I will be able to see how many CP's he has left, if bv hadn't died he wouldn't be suspect anyways.

@ Cobalt there are only 3 SUSPECTS in my list. I just said that T.T

[McGriddle]

@ mod: I will be V/LA until at least saturday night.

Noted

[McGriddle]

Well then that means something else completely. Last post till sat.

pops had 2 CP left after Fate burned. Decipher this as you will. But I am keeping my vote where it is. Looks like a setup to me.

[McGriddle]

@mod: I don't believe Cobalt ever voted for me.

Oh, wow. You're right. I'm going to retroactively fix this.

[McGriddle]

Alma and Fate: ???

I mean, yeah I'm glad you are all eagerly waiting for me and my input, but beside me there are 4 other players here, and I don't believe you don't have any topic to discuss. Don't use me as a convenient excuse to stall the game, k?

Finished reading D1, and Imma going to get some popcorn before I see how this all CP burning plan went

Done yet?

[McGriddle]

Almaster isn't scum anyways, so how is he stalling the game?

[McGriddle]

Um, no. You are replacing a slot that has hardly talked at ALL for the entire course of the game. If you don't start talking, you are going to go bye-bye because everybody else here has contributed.

This still doesn't allow you to sit on your ass an wait instead of scumhunt. Even if you ARE confirmed town.

Ok, done reading.

As I said, Alma is obvtown. Godfather, Bus Driver and... Scum with additional daykill? SK is also nigh impossible.

Cobalt is acting as your everyday Cobalt, so his posting habits should not be taken into scum/town consideration. That being said, his stances were pretty strong throughout the game, called Cru scum even before CP burn plan even crystallized. Calling out another scumpartner power role, when your GF is outed already, and nothing at the time really indicated tide against Cru/Elscouta is very unlikely for scum to do.

Fate was a pretty vocal force with CP burning plan at first, and seeing as this plan really kicked scum in the arse, I doubt he would would be so pro-CP burn if he would be one. Also he's one of a few players who actually contribute to the discussion really well.

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That leaves McGriddle as scum, and I can easily see that option. He slept through entire D1, because he didn't want to contribute in CP burning plan. Hardly a reason to stop looking for scum but whatever.

Then comes the claim. I'm mighty surprised he's actually sure that claims works in any way for him... He came out with it when both commanders were outed, so his result in no way gives anyone anything, as we all knew at that point that fhq wasn't the commander. Also... Private? How for flavor's sake Private, one little gear of a big army, is the role that checks the Commander, and CP bonus he gives? That would be more believable with Officer or something like that, but not Private. Mod quoting PM's is prohibited, but can you paraphrase the flavor of your role PM?

Lastly, I see his desire to lynch Cobalt as an attempt on something I call 'let's lynch zwet!' (trying to lynch someone who acts similarly anti-town for both alignments because he's anti-town). That's an easy scum option and I don't like it.

vote: McGriddle

Fate, relax about voting. considering 4/1 scenario (I doubt there is any other scenario with more than 3 scum, when 2 of them were powerroles), we have 12 CP points, so it's not like we're going to spend them on more constructive things. Also I'm pretty sure McG is scum, and I don't plan to change my vote in the nearest future.

I am a private. I am not lying. I am not going to paraphrase my role-PM because I don't enjoy being modkilled. If you kill me you will lose a confirmed townie. I have not done anything anti-town, and I am a freaking private, in which I called the CP left and the commander, and fhq not being a commander. You're vote on me is meaningless, and the fact that you aren't even looking into Cobalt is rediculous, especially since you defend him with "Cobalt is just being Cobalt".

[McGriddle]

Well tell me this Col. If I WERE lying about being private wouldn't I SAY I was officer? Wouldn't that help my case more? The answer is yes. I am obviously not lying. I could have even said my role could do more than what it really does (ability to see any roles other than commander) This Private role is a lot more complicated than one I could have made up. So you telling me that the role of Private doesn't make sense is WIFOM, as if I were scum I could claim ANY PR and make up whatever ridiculous actions I wanted.

I am Private, and I have the ability to see if somebody is a commander or not, and if they are a commander how many CP's they have left. We outed the first commander of the scum faction day 1, the 2nd commander claimed day 2 and was killed night 2 so I thought I would take a look at what the investigation came up as. 2 left. If you don't believe me fine, but I am pretty sure this confirms me as town if you have any logic in your mind.

[McGriddle]

omfg. Seriously? Scum private? A 3rd scum PR onstead of goon? Do you really think that is possible? Don't believe me, you don't deserve to win if you can't even use logic to see I am confirmed innocent. Furthermore, why would the masons try to recruit me, I am far from the towniest looking player, that's why IGMY on cobalt so hardcore.

[McGriddle]

omfg. Seriously? Scum private? A 3rd scum PR onstead of goon? Do you really think that is possible? Don't believe me, you don't deserve to win if you can't even use logic to see I am confirmed innocent. Furthermore, why would the masons try to recruit me, I am far from the towniest looking player, that's why IGMY on cobalt so hardcore.

far from towniest? but you also said you were confirmed...
Fate, how much burn? I'm inclined to think 3 or 4, leaning 4
still cogitating, but it's unlikely I will vote for anyone but mcgriddle today

Yes I was yesterday, but today I am close to confirmed townie.

Mark my words everyone, if I get lynched today, Cobalt is your man tomorrow.

[McGriddle]

I really don't care, if you people are that ignorant and stupid then so be it.

[McGriddle]

Oh okay, that makes sense, you know I am not scum so you vote me out. You guys had no reason to vote me, you are all idiots. I really was town faction private you morons

[McGriddle]

omfg [facepalm] I told you guys...