Mini 917 -- Precision Mafia (Game Over)

[bv310]

FOS: Fhqwgads

for having a Strongbad reference as a name. Unless you're actually typing with boxing gloves on. Then you're clear.

Also, we should try to save CPs as much as possible. The way I understand it, the mafia have their own points seperate from ours, so trying to intentionally waste them just robs us of investigations or protects (if we have a doc and a cop)

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It's not just the scum that are going to be stingy. Any power roles that exist are going to try to conserve for themselves.

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Cobalt, it defeats the purpose of the game if you try to break it rather than adapt to the rules.

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I wouldn't even calling it "breaking" the setup up.

Breaking implies that it's not supposed to be done and will ruin the game if achieved.

I'm talking about finding out what's the best strategy for town. Why is that wrong?

It's wrong because it is trying to break. Instead of trying to play with the rules, you're looking for ways around them. That doesn't help anybody, and could easily lead to the mod just abandoning this.

Cobalt, seriously? If you're not going to play with the spirit of the game, then don't play at all.

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Sorry about that one, guys. Internet went down here for a bit. She's a touch intermittent now. They say it should be fixed by Monday, so LA until then.

Sad thing is, I don't even need to catch up. There's been literally two posts since the last time I read this. I did a quick readthrough, and the only thing that jumped out at me was Fifi's play. It's been rehashed a million times, but I still don't like the original bad idea, then the AtE/newbclaim.

[bv310]

Awesome flavor. Does this also put Fifi at L-1? If so, McGriddle and Cobalt, are you still comfortable with this plan?

[bv310]

^I'm going to back this up. The odds of this game having a daykilling scum or SK is extremely unlikely.

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So should I be voting or no?

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Here you go,

Vote: Pops

I still disagree with this plan until it actually results in a scum lynch, which this almost certainly isn't.

If we do catch scum today, then more power to it.

[bv310]

Note to self: Read who is voting who before submitting dissent post.

[bv310]

This is just annoying. If it wasn't for the fact that this is a game I'm interested in, I'd be replacing out. Breaking the setup this bad defeats the purpose of the game.
/rant

Now that that's out of the way, let's just get this day over and done with. I'm so sick of it that it's not even funny.

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I won't be replacing out, but I'm still not happy. This isn't the game I signed up for. This is just one player trying to break the game, and a bunch of others following instead of playing a game of mafia.

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There, now that that's out of the way, can we please get the burn done and over with?

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I probably will. I just think RedCoyote probably planned for this, and so there's going to be some kind of mechanic to stop this from working. I think Pops is scum, and is trying to make us waste points that could go to night actions. What if they have some role that drains 5 CP? Then our doc won't protect, and our real cop won't investigate. Plus, by outing our Commander, the scum only need to NK him and we lose a bunch more CP.

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I play this game to win. Whether I agree with the collective decision will have no bearing on my play.

Pops, I think the only issue is if the scum have multiple comanders or some kind of enabler role. I just feel like there are too many variables to make this plan succesful. Town might have issues too if any roles count for 2 CP or more. What if a tracker has to pay as many CP as there are players in the game? What if a Vig has to pay 3 for a shot? What if a cop only pays on a guilty? What if the doc has to pay 2+ however many protects (i.e. Scum NK, Vig shot, SK kill) they have?

I don't know, maybe I'm reading too much into this.

Also, I'm going camping for the next few days, so V/LA until Saturday afternoon or later

Noted.

[bv310]

EBWOP: First sentence should be:

"Pops, my main issue is..."

Changed my mind partway through my post and forgot to fully edit it.

[bv310]

TOWN HAS SPOKEN. NO MORE WAITING.

I think you misspelled the word "scum", Fate.

Vote: Deadline Extension

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Iec, I think she did it just to frustrate us and spite Pops. Her post seems to me to be an annoyed, whiny person trying to get a rise out of Pops (who it seemed to be directed at)

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I'm voting in order to give the replacement time to catch up. If he doesn't need it, then we shouldn't extend whatsoever.

Also, Fate, you are very certain that Fifi is not just being frustrated town. Why is that?

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Now, that's disappointing.

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You know, it would actually be REALLY funny if Fifi didn't flip scum.

No kidding.

Iec, I'm always annoyed when scum put up no fight. Defeats the purpose of the game.

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I thought it was male, based on the Malmsteen avatar, but that might just be a fan of squeadlies and fast playing. Or he might just want to unleash the fury (look up the video if you don't get this joke)

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I really am not sure. Fifi sounds girly, but avatar's male.

This is beside the point though. Is someone hammering or should I just switch my vote now?

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I'll give until 9pm tonight (or whenever I get back from cooking at the shelter) for a hammer, then just switch my vote.

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Then why in the hell did you waste it? What use is it shooting a random townie?

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I've seen daykilling Mafia before, when town had a lot of strong PRs, so that can't be off the table either.

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I'm sorry Pops, but I don't know if I believe you. I'll follow you here and

VOTE: Elscouta

Even if you're telling the truth about being commander, I still think there is way too much that could be happening behind the scenes.

Consider that to be my vote for today too.

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^as you see fate, i obviously can't rely on many other townies to hold back their votes.

It would follow that f1f1 is actually a failure and Cruciare is the next scum, but bv310 is trying so hard to claim scum..

Why, because I don't follow you blindly?

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Because if you aren't blind and are town aligned it's proper to follow.

Proper my ass. You're complaining that this setup is broken, but it's because YOU broke it.

For the record, I agree with fhq on Fate being the burn target.

[bv310]

Most games (after I have a grasp on them) I will play to win using any tactics within the rules.

Having fun is a secondary goal, but also very important. Without fun there's no incentive to commit to playing the game in the first place. If I find myself in the middle of a game where I've got to choose between having fun or winning, I will choose to win. After the game is over I will analyze what flaw in the game made me have to choose. Then, I will avoid games that include that flaw.

I completely disagree, but I guess that's just the difference between us. I play these games for fun first, and for winning second.

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Also, most mods I know would have abandoned the game as soon as it was broken this widely. I'm rather impressed at RC's patience.

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That would actually be nice, even if it screwed us all over.

[bv310]

That would actually be nice,

ESPECIALLY

if it screwed us all over.

phikst

Agreed.

[bv310]

Wait, where was this claim?

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Just found that myself. Read through ten pages. Cannot believe that Fifi would be that much of a dick.

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It makes me look good right bv?

I choose to be closed-minded and refuse to accept your point no matter how clear it appears.

You know what would be a great way to counteract all this setup breaking? Two scum factions.

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^Agreed. Especially if he was telling the truth.

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How many votes do I need to burn?

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Who's the lynch?

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When did that happen? I thought we were lynching you based on Pops' claim.

Also, I'd REALLY like to hear from Pwnman. He replaced in for J.R. and hasn't even posted a confirmation yet.

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I change my burn vote to Pwnman. I don't like that Elscouta has advocated Bv to burn.

Tell you what, I'll give you guys a day to work it all out, then come back and do whatever's needed.

[bv310]

Cobalt, is that Axe Cop as your avatar?

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Cobalt, is that Axe Cop as your avatar?

YES.

*high-five*

[bv310]

Alrighty then. Apparently, I already voted, so I'm set there. See all you nice folks in the morning.

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Oh snap.

[bv310]

Stupid recruiting masonry. Netted one of our Commanders N1, then got both of us killed N2. Really wasn't expecting Cobalt as scum. I thought it was Fate.

Interesting mechanics though. I really think it'd be fun to run again, except this time maybe keep CP hidden from everyone except scum.

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I realize that now. First time getting a recruiting role, what can I say.