Pick Your Power II - Looks like the wine is gone (SCUM WIN)

[RayFrost]

POSTING IN PREGAME HAHAHA

[RayFrost]

Until, one night Verdot fills his cup and finds that it is...

BEER

...?

[RayFrost]

vote: jack

answer the question

[RayFrost]

vote: jack

answer the question

Why'd you pick 4,6 as your numbers?

small numbers, higher draft choice, get PR, be happy, rock out

[RayFrost]

small numbers, higher draft choice, get PR, be happy, rock out

Do you think scum would have deliberately chosen to double up on a number somewhere to distance, or spread their choices over 5 different X numbers to improve their chances at better roles?

spreading seems possible, depends on how they think things'll go down and such, so yeh.

dunno.

either seem plausible.

[RayFrost]

What would you do if you were scum organising your team?

Prob go for more powers, I guess.

[RayFrost]

FeFi is scum, Fo Fum (Fo Sho is another way to say Fo Fum, or is it the other way around?)

vote: FeFiFoFum

3 posts, 10 pages, 0 content, 100 basis points of follow the town.

[RayFrost]

Ofc I am, hoopla!

I've already registered with the Hypocritical Society of Hypocrites, so no need to point it out.

Besides, I intend to be more active. I've been having RL stuff keeping me busy.

[RayFrost]

I was talking about FeFiFoFum, not bouncy.bouncy.

Wait, bouncy.bouncy is in this game? O.o

[RayFrost]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Bouncy.Bouncy

- 2 - RedCoyote, Ellibereth - (L-10)

Dramonic

- 2 - TonyMontana, Fate - (L-10)

Fate

- 5 - Bouncy.Bouncy, Porkens, The1fifi, Dramonic, FeFiFoFum - (L-7)

FeFiFoFum

- 5 - Rayfrost, Faraday, wolframnhart, DocPotter, Cobalt - (L-7)

Hoopla

- 2 - Pomegranate, Jack - (L-10)

Pomegranate

- 2 - Socrates, Farside - (L-10)

Socrates

- 2 - StrangerCoug, Hoopla - (L-10)

wolframnhart

- 1 - curiouskarmadog - (L-11)

Players not voting: Devotress

Devotress, who do you think is scum and why aren't you voting them?

[RayFrost]

CKD are you going to do anything apart from tell us you're not contributing.

I am doing something (it is not my fault you cant figure out what it is). Does my presence in this game make you nervous? Do you think i am scum?

I forget you are in the game constantly. That's kind of annoying, but I don't think you are scum.

As to your question earlier, I didn't point you out because I didn't notice you... at all. Like, seriously, your presence in this game is less than mine and I'm barely managing to get any posts out.

[RayFrost]

I'd be far more vocal if I had time to read through the game again ~.~

Or a bandwagon started on me based off of a crap case. ~.~

[RayFrost]

Like me.

Except I'm cooler.

And a guy.

And an only child.

And town.

[RayFrost]

I disagree.

I'm not fighting with that, but it doesn't change the fact that girls rock.

Plum is awesome. It's impossible to diss her anyway, don't try.

High five, same here!

*points to name* I invoke the coolness of my name to say that I'm way cooler than you.

Eh, girls are cool. I wasn't trying to dis females.

Wasn't trying to.

Awesome, the mod should totally make us masons.

[RayFrost]

In ITT we spam for no reason......wait I thought we were playing mafia.

fos: ray

for distrancing conversation that has no realation to playing mafia.

sweet.

dram, when did you see me play as scum? O.o

I've been a vig in a game with you and a watcher in a game with you and a VT in a game with you...

when have I ever been scum with you?

and how does me playing stupidly here make me more likely to be scum when my scum play is intelligent?

._.

[RayFrost]

was town X_X

typoed.

~.~ my time has been limited lately.

[RayFrost]

spot on.

unvote; vote theone

one ring to rule them all...

srsly, tho...

I don't get the votes on fifi.

Care to put a case forth, or do I need to dredge one up myself?

[RayFrost]

we need a lynch.

unvote; vote: Bouncybouncy

^--- not reading the thread

[RayFrost]

At least I'm not voting 'to get a lynch' on somebody that isn't even within lynch range

[RayFrost]

Hmmmm...

case on me is the lack of activity?

Sorry, too busy to defend myself from that.

[RayFrost]

I'm currently not in support for the bouncy.bouncy wagon.

The logic of 'scum could've pushed the wagon just as easily as the one they did' is terribad.

As we are seeing (and saw), bouncy.bouncy is submitting virtually nothing of value... continually.

To contrast, fefifofum may have eventually at some point been of use and started scumhunting.

So fefifofum being lynched would be superior.

Even if scum could just as easily push one lynch over the other, you have to consider the benefits too. Stop making me do smart posts. It ruins the 'lol he fails' meta on me. >.>"

[RayFrost]

Um. Frost.... we're on D2. FFFF is dead.

*DIES LAUGHING*

I know.

I'm saying

why FFFF being lynched over bouncy.bouncy is a null tell

.

[RayFrost]

It ruins the 'lol he fails' meta on me. >.>"

I missed this the first time I was laughing. Excuse me,

HAHAHAAAAHAHAHPRICELESS

... what? >.>

that's a meta that some players have for me. >.>

[RayFrost]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 10

Bouncy.Bouncy

- 5 - Fate, wolframnhart, Devotress, RedCoyote, The1fifi - (L-5)

Ellibereth

- 1 - Farside - (L-9)

Pomegranate

- 2 - Socrates, Porkens - (L-8)

Socrates

- 1 - StrangerCoug - (L-9)

wolframnhart

- 2 - Jack, Ellibereth - (L-8)

Players not voting: Bouncy.Bouncy, curiouskarmadog, DocPotter, Faraday, Hoopla, Pomegranate, Rayfrost, TonyMontana

If we

vote: bouncy.bouncy

, aren't we effectively killing off the 2 group? This might be an added reason to consider this vote.

Fate is on the money though. I think the scum used the deadline pressure to their advantage well, when the bouncy lynch could've been just as easy.

I'm currently not in support for the bouncy.bouncy wagon.

The logic of 'scum could've pushed the wagon just as easily as the one they did' is terribad.

As we are seeing (and saw), bouncy.bouncy is submitting virtually nothing of value... continually.

To contrast, fefifofum may have eventually at some point been of use and started scumhunting.

So fefifofum being lynched would be superior for scum.

Even if scum could just as easily push one lynch over the other, you have to consider the benefits too.

[RayFrost]

I believe it went from bouncy to FFFF, yes.

[RayFrost]

I don't get how you're confused.

If bouncy flips town, I would've expected scum to stay on the more likely power role. This means the first few to switch the wagon (RF, Wolf, Faraday) are more likely town than those who pounced on later.

[RayFrost]

LOL at curiouskarmadog and

RayFrost

, who aren't awake (though in CKD's case it's probably unsportsmanlike of me as this is my first deep south game).

?

[RayFrost]

I'm saying (and was saying) beneficial to

scum

.

How is that not clear?

[RayFrost]

The logic of 'scum could've pushed the wagon just as easily as the one they did' is terribad.

Why? I mean, I understand what you're saying. You're saying that it's not impressive to say, "scum pushed FFFF", because it's so often the case that scum have some presence on every lynch, right? I get that. I think what Fate's saying that makes the idea bigger than that is how the wagon shifted. What did stop bouncy from getting lynched over FFFF yesterday, Ray?

In general, I have a love/hate relationship with this post. I don't think you're any scummier for making it, but on the same token, you're being extremely confusing with your wording here. Like Fate & farside, I had to read this over multiple times before I realized you knew that FFFF had been lynched and that we were on D2.

I'm saying

why FFFF being lynched over bouncy.bouncy is a null tell.

You're oversimplifying it. Hoopla's post 620 does a good job explaining why this is wrong.

Yeah, sorry about the confusing language.

I feel that scum would have incentive to push for a FFFF lynch a bit more than a bouncy lynch. Bouncy is inactive/lurkish/p. much useless. FFFF was V/LA and potentially active/useful/not useless.

Even if scum moved it from bouncy, it doesn't mean they were trying to save a scumbuddy.

That's my issue with it. Still, a bouncy case separate from both numbers and this logic would be nice if it were succinctly stated.

btw, guys, amount of work i have to do is decreasing, so I'll start being more active

[RayFrost]

Bouncy, if you tell my role, I will policy lynch you for the rest of eternity.

[RayFrost]

I'd rather go for a ray wagon and see what he posts.

Hahahahahaha.

I'd have to reread the game to give you an opinion.

[RayFrost]

I don't get why.

why what?

[RayFrost]

EBWOP: I don't get why bouncy shouldn't reveal.

Because I'd die tonight.

In fact, I think I'm dying tonight anyway.

Great.

Scum, NK me, it'd help the town more than my super 1337 awesome informationzzz

[RayFrost]

Eeeeh, my info isn't super awesome.

It's just a role that I've had before.

I was intent on doing better with it this game... >.<

[RayFrost]

The neighborizer should totally target me.

srsly, tho.

rolefishing is rolefishing

vote: farside

[RayFrost]

Errr no.
A neighborizer would almost definitely have targetted themself and someone else. :/

this.

[RayFrost]

Rolefishing is worse than roleouting?

Shouldn't you be on the bouncy wagon, Ray?

he hasn't claimed my role.

then again, he's prob scum, sooooo...

should I claim with results or what?

[RayFrost]

not really.

I asked if I should claim with results.

not what results.

if I have any.

y'see, I like WIFOMing about my role.

it's probably a bad habit, but hey...~

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: bouncy

your explanation is good enough.

[RayFrost]

If ray is going to claim, we should have bouncy tell his results first. then wait for Ray's claim.

yup.

[RayFrost]

fifi, you could always scumhunt elsewhere.

why are you so focused purely on obuncy and not looking at other areas?

[RayFrost]

bouncy, claim your result.

unless you are claiming you got VT on me?

[RayFrost]

I am, in fact, a tracker.

want my target, etc?

[RayFrost]

Hahahahahaha.

I know.

the breadcrumb led to one of vig, watcher, or tracker.

[RayFrost]

porkens remained at home, sleeping peacefully.

[RayFrost]

1. Oh ok, I know X player is vanilla. Oh look, the rare situation in which they claimed and I'm still alive has occurred. He's fakeclaiming! He's a vanilla!

2. Hm I investigated a Cop/Tracker/Watcher, and they are pushing for X's lynch. I think I'll follow on with my own reasoning, since I know that person's role

3. Hm I investigated a Vig and town has died for the past three nights, I wonder if should claim what I know to get them lynched?

Which situations are more valuable, bouncy?

As for 2. maybe that person is scum, so why would I follow them?
As for 3. maybe they are town and guessed wrong for the past three nights.

Anyways I've never played PYP before, I've never been Cop before, and I've never read a Role Cop strategy guide. So maybe you can understand me not knowing exactly what to do D1, D2, D3, or any other day.

fixed.

[RayFrost]

...

so obv scum.

[RayFrost]

Bouncy did indeed unvote fate but voted for 1fif. So why not check fif?

Why check fifi?

Why do random.org?
At least it's someone you have some suspicion on. Not some random oh look who I just happened to pick reason.

Once again, tell me WHY knowing the role of somebody I suspect matters any more than knowing the role of a random person. Maybe I'm just a retard, but I don't understand why I should start with people I suspect.

btw, haven't sent in an action yet

[RayFrost]

Ray, when were you a tracker before?

check wiki.

[RayFrost]

odd, not in there.

revenge of the crimson king - seraphim mod

[RayFrost]

YOU ROLECOP YOUR SCUM SUSPECTS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO LIE ABOUT THEIR ROLE.

That is all.

^--- scum. not voting bouncy

[RayFrost]

I was surprised I got tracker, tbh.

I expected to end up a VT.