Open 208 - Fire & Ice Mafia >Over!<

[SaintKerrigan]

I can't believe I sold my Detroit Lions season tickets to get on this lousy starship!

Vote: Nikanor

, for being the captain who got us into this mess. Also because he's the mod, and mods are always scummy.

By that same token,

FoS: Crazy

for being my mod in Newbie #862.

FoS: RayFrost, Sanhora, XScorpion, Pwnman, and Mindgamer

for playing with me before.

The rest of you, I don't know. But we have a whole game to get to know each other, don't we? Well, less time for some of you, but that shouldn't discourage you from making friends!

[SaintKerrigan]

Hey!

Unvote: Nikanor. Vote: ICEninja

for beating me to the first post.

Also, I live in CST (GMT -6).

[SaintKerrigan]

Unvote: ICEninja. Vote: Mindgamer.

Serious vote. Look at his first post and see if you can figure out why.

[SaintKerrigan]

I'm pretty sure that's a joke, not a scumslip.

I don't think so.

Why specifically accuse him of being Fire Mafia? Seems like an Ice Mafia slip-up to me.

[SaintKerrigan]

I'm not random voting this game.

/playstyle changing

It's the eeeeend of the wooorld as we know it...

[SaintKerrigan]

SaintKerrigan: Do you prefer ice or fire?

Ice, because I live in the Frozen North of Minnesota.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Deer: I considered it a slip of the tongue.

At the same time, I think I finally got the joke (ICEninja being a Fire Mafia is obviously self-contradictory, to the point where it's funny).

Unvote: Mindgamer. Vote: Pwnman

because him thinking Mindgamer could be either Fire Mafia or Ice Mafia means he isn't actually agreeing with my argument, which was that Mindgamer was Ice Mafia, specifically. He was just using my argument as an excuse to vote Mindgamer, and that's fishy.

[SaintKerrigan]

Yeah, never consider the fact that I thought it was a scum slip up too.

You argued that your argument is the same as mine, which is impossible since my argument was that Mindgamer was Ice Mafia specifically while you stated he could be either Fire or Ice Mafia. Thus, it sure looks like you were just piggybacking on my vote, and then tried to use my argument to explain why you thought Mindgamer was mafia. That feels scummy.

[SaintKerrigan]

It's a bad wagon I'm town. Thank you ladies and gentlemen of the jury

This does not equal an adequate defense.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ DarklightA: Pwnman piggybacked off of my reason for voting Mindgamer, which concluded that Mindgamer was Ice Mafia, specifically. Despite using my argument, Pwnman claimed that he thought Mindgamer was either Ice

or

Fire Mafia, which indicates that he was using my argument as an excuse to vote Mindgamer.

[SaintKerrigan]

Still, I think this looks un-scummish, for both of you... Looks like just innocent stuff, only based on weak theories.

I disagree with you on that one...not only has Pwnman done the things that earned him ire, but under pressure he chose to respond by simply claiming town. I don't see that behavior coming from a townsperson.

[SaintKerrigan]

well, I don't know if pwnman is scum or not, but I'm willing to bet a good amount of money there's an opportunistic scum on his wagon.

How do you figure?

[SaintKerrigan]

@ DTMaster: As I have already explained multiple times, Pwnman stated that his argument for voting Mindgamer was the same as mine. However, that was proven false because my argument's conclusion was that Mindgamer was Ice Mafia specifically, while Pwnman stated that Mindgamer could be either Fire or Ice Mafia. Ergo, he was just using my argument as an excuse to vote for Mindgamer without actually agreeing with it, and that, in my mind, is scummy.

I'm content with leaving my vote on him for now.

Also, lulz on the flavor, mod.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ DTMaster: Wtf?

[SaintKerrigan]

What is with all this Crazy hate? What he's been saying makes perfect sense to me, and I strongly disagree with the things DTMaster has been saying about him. That's why I give you the "Wtf," DT.

I agree that my case on Mindgamer was weak. It was an attempt to make something happen to jolt out the RVS (although at the time I agreed with my reasoning). When Pwnman voted Mindgamer as well, he attributed his reasoning to be the same as mine. Since I concluded that Mindgamer was Ice Mafia specifically and Pwnman gave his conclusion that Mindgamer could be of either faction, it showed that he actually wasn't agreeing with my argument, he was just piling a vote on Mindgamer and using my reasoning as the excuse. That's scummy. DT, I am having a hard time fathoming how you can not see this.

XScorp, care to give a reason with that vote, or do you prefer reckless abandon?

FoS: All the lurkers in this game

(like, half the town).

[SaintKerrigan]

Eh... yeah... I don't really see much to do, sorry. :/

My joke could be interpreted as a scumslip. I don't like how Crazy refuses to understand that.

Unvote. Vote: Crazy

Bandwagon go!

/goes back to lurking

This. Is. Awful.

Unvote: Pwnman. Vote: Mindgamer.

How does Crazy not thinking Mindgamer's joke could be a scumslip make him scum?

[SaintKerrigan]

@ DarkLightA: Some parts of Mindgamer's post were a joke, but I don't think the accusation against Crazy was a joke. So I'm asking him how what he accused Crazy of makes him scum.

[SaintKerrigan]

1. You said your case was wrong in hindsight, but pwnman can't be given the same grace. Pwnman admitted before you (this post) that he was wrong, but you are attacking pwnman for something you are guilty for.

You're conjuring things out of nothing. Pwnman never said he was wrong.

2. Crazy expressed prefrence that mindgamer appears like ice scum under your argument: but the fact that you don't address Crazy of this is contradictory when you tunnel heavily on pwnman

Repeat that. This time, include quotes.

[SaintKerrigan]

Yeah, never consider the fact that I thought it was a scum slip up too.

@Pwnman being wrong

I don't see that as him admitting that he's wrong.

A. Mindgamer is town, and the post was a joke.
B. Mindgamer is Ice Mafia, and the post was a joke.
C. Mindgamer is Fire Mafia, and the post was a joke.
D. Mindgamer is Ice Mafia, and the post was a scum-slip.

Option E - "Mindgamer is Fire Mafia, and the post was a scum-slip" does not exist.

My read on Mindgamer is pretty neutral; he could be town or either scum. All I've said is, IF HE SLIPPED, THEN HE'S ICE SCUM. To me, that means nothing, because I don't think he slipped. That only has relevance to SK and pwnman.

@DTM and pwnman - Please explain how Mindgamer's first post could possibly be a slip from a Fire Mafia!

^^ Prefrence at Ice Scum. If Crazy ruled out Mindgamer-firescum. He is left with Town-Mindgamer or Icescum-Mindgamer.

I explained how a firescum-Mindgamer would make a Freudian slip, by delfecting attention towards someone as fire scum

I think Crazy should be defending himself, but I'm going to say that you're pushing a whole lot of nothing. It was fairly clear to me that Crazy was making these arguments

from the hypothetical standpoint of my earlier argument

.

SK: You FoS all the lurkers in this game, are you willing to lynch one D1?

Depends on the type of lurker. Active lurking, sure. General lurking, not really. That FoS post was more of an expression that the lurkers needed to get their act together and start doing stuff.

DTMaster, is Pwnman town? A simple yes or no answer, with reasons explaining why, will suffice.

XScorpion, you are not taking this game seriously.

FoS: XScorpion.

Also, hey, Nacho! Welcome to the game!

Waiting to hear from Mindgamer.

[SaintKerrigan]

DT, please answer my question: is Pwnman town in your eyes? Why or why not?

[SaintKerrigan]

I must also consider what a push against either of you would mean. IMO both DT and Crazy respond fairly well to attacks against them while other players simply look really bad. This combined with the fact that a mislynch on DT would be quite bad for the town, I am going to switch my focus.

This post rubs me the wrong way. It almost reads like a scum mind thinking out loud. At the same time, I'm still waiting to hear from Mindgamer, so for now I'll just put down a

FoS: ICEninja.

He also mentions some form of case against Crazy. I would very much like to see ICEninja's case against Crazy, considering that he didn't think Crazy was that bad, iirc.

[SaintKerrigan]

V/LA from now until Friday.

[SaintKerrigan]

I'm not in a good mental mood, guys. I'll hopefully feel better tomorrow and do my catch-up then.

[SaintKerrigan]

All right, sorry for not showing up yesterday, guys. I'm going to do a reread now.

[SaintKerrigan]

Posting to say that I'm extremely sleep-deprived and cranky from psych tests, so I'm only going to be handling my modding duties today.

[SaintKerrigan]

Mod: I'm sorry, but I need to replace out. Reality is catching up with me, and I'm afraid I just don't have time to play any games. I'm really sorry about this!