SWN II: The Curse of the Nekomata (Game over!)

[SpyreX]

Unvote.

While I'm playing catcup with the almost forty page day 1 thread (seriously, I mean seriously) someone(s) want to give me some summation?

[SpyreX]

Ohh hay hows about someone catch me up because after starting a reread and then realizing we've got different languages and a billion PR's WELLL.

And, fyi, I have a post restriction. It isn't active...yet.

So, because no one wants to be a helper I am officially 2kool4skool and bandwagoning to end this mess.

Vote: Syke

[SpyreX]

Wait....

This case is built on META?

Unvote

Filthy, filthy people.

[SpyreX]

Seriously now. I'm only on page 11 and I feel dirty for placing that vote.

Unbelivable.

However, I have a winner. Lets do it and do it fast.

Vote: CSL

[SpyreX]

Anon is probably town.
MME is probably town.
Doc doesn't warrant the wagon.

If I had a bullet I'd be shooting one of these other languages in the face. Or, perhaps sending the mod a lot of money to shoot all of them in the face.

I will say right now that I will hammer without question any of them on pure spite.

Go look at SaintKerrigan and CSL in ISO. Then look at what page we are on. Then, lynch them.

[SpyreX]

You had a slight town read on Saint?

Really?

After looking at the reasons for the votes and the timing no way in hell.

This is only exacerbated by CSL's "play".

I'm only on 13 fyi - after looking at SK a little I ISO'd then saw the replacement and looked at that and went "What are these chuckleheads doing?"

[SpyreX]

Well, I'm all caught up.

Seriously. This is such a giant ball of :headdesk: I don't even know where to begin.

But, I'll try.

1.) There all but HAS to be two scumteams (or anti town factions / whatever) because otherwise I flat out DONT UNDERSTAND THIS GAME AHRHRHRHARHEHRHGH. Reading this in one fell swoop has been an exercise in mind-breakingly weird behavior. Such as:

2.) Why in the name of blue blazes when a cop claims a specific in a large game on day 1 do half of you start salivating like wolves at the idea of

lynching them this day

? Especially when:

3.) We've got players who in 40 pages have less than 10 posts. Again. In 40 pages less than 10 posts. And this is a-ok because instead of dealing with that:

4.) Meta cases are not good. Calling out a meta-defense of a meta case (when what in the hell else are you going to do?) is also not good. CLOGGING DOZENS OF PAGES WITH THIS DISCUSSION IS ENOUGH TO MAKE HULK SMASH especially when:

5.) I'd eat a hat if all those multi-language PR's are real. It would be too easy to sneak one in.

You should be ashamed. This may be one of the best debacles I've walked into. Of course, at least there is some joy - I've got me enough town reads that its time for.....

THE UNBREAKABLE ALLIANCE

@Anon, FishytheFish, Kairyuu, LlamaFluff, My Milked Eek, sykedoc:

It is time for us to fix this. It is time for the world to be ran under our fist.
We move as one. We think as one. We are one. We are brothers in arms against threats that no single person can stand against. Together we shall purge this land with noose and fire. Separate we are weak, together we are invincible. Until only we remain, we shall be vigilant for our brothers.

That said, personally I think CSL is a better lynch than RBT by a small margin (nothing like every post being a response to prod / reread after replacing a power-wagonneer). However, I am willing to compromise:

Unvote, Vote: RBT

[SpyreX]

^

See, this is why I want to lynch CSL.

[SpyreX]

And oddly enough CSL was skating by like a champ whereas at least RBT was starting to get SOME pressure.

I'd totally prefer a CSL the more I think about it. I am content with a RBT.

Posts by people not voting for these two (unless, of course, it is with a vote) is tantamount to claiming scum as far as I'm concerned at this point. 40 pages, my lord. 40 bad, bad pages.

[SpyreX]

No, just no.

Unvote, Vote: CSL

And no broken hearts. Yet.

[SpyreX]

@Syke:

I knew one of, if not both of you, would take umbrage to that.

Now, look back objectively and pretend you are a third party. Anon's statements (while based in meta BLAH) make sense as does his continued surprise and irritation when it doesn't take ground in a way that is hard to fake. It, really, is a pretty town case.

Now, of course, I think its wrong as can be seen from your total irritation with what happened. While I don't agree with some of the things you've done the overall feel is a town banging his head against a case.

So, yea, give each other high fives, join THE UNBREAKABLE ALLIANCE and lets just go ahead and let the blood flow.

[SpyreX]

Remember, my brothers in arms:

If we join in and move as one we all but control the destiny. A CSL lynch isn't just possible, but almost guaranteed. We are many. We are one. We are legion.

[SpyreX]

Holy hell guys, I leave for half a day and come back to THIS.

I'm... soo happy.

If ani isn't toying around (which I would be shocked and or awed about) then he is UNBREAKABLE.

Fishy raises the point and although the alliance is my idea at this juncture I am outvoted and, if, if ani doesn't kill RBT right there I'll be throwing the hammer.

Move FFFF up to the list of those who will face our wrath.

As well as an itch on anyone complaining about directing PR's.

Although, I will go so far as to say: I wouldn't waste a cop investigation on CSL - because, if IF IF he's innocent (which from the basis of our cop claim thus far is only half-innocent) and its not Panama-arama that does the investigation.... you'd be claiming to save CSL.

Because he is a dead man walking.

[SpyreX]

Because, depending on how a few things go, you may be getting a rope good sir.

Of course, you know I can't tell you what these things are or how they would have to go at this point.

The thing that makes me happiest is the responses from my brethren. I have chosen wisely.

[SpyreX]

You really think that if the moons align and you have to be lynched I'd try to do it on a wink and a nudge son?

There's a lot of little pieces that aren't anything at this point. Overall I've got good vibes but a few itches that would need to be scratched before you were UNBREAKABLE.

Like, ya know, 5-6 lynches.

[SpyreX]

It is written. Let it be done.

[SpyreX]

Unless these guys are all town, which I doubt. No offense, Spyrex.

Syke is a gut call. I'm not gonna argue that.

I'm not even going to dance the dance of the sugar plum fairy with Doc too much but:

If you believe Pana, chances are high there are two scumgroups. Even if I was mad-out ballsy scum, the other scum group as the game progresses HAS to get rid of me.

So, lynching me to prove my towniness isn't a productive use of the lynch by any stretch.

Especially when I'm awesome.

[SpyreX]

I'm not seeing enough dead in here yet.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD.

(Seriously though, lets get this done and toot-toot tomorrow)

[SpyreX]

Hey now I was overruled on RBT even though I had a far more nagging suspicion that was gonna be a town flip than this one.

Give and take.

[SpyreX]

Sigh now he's giving me that bad itch.

[SpyreX]

I'm torn between kinda agreeing with you and my absolute desire for this day to end.

[SpyreX]

I'm not ready to call CSL town (especially because it was SK that originally got my ire up).

God, I don't even know. The bitterness is leaking all over.

[SpyreX]

Thus the ALLIANCE is weakened.

Two members dead? Coincidence? Doubtful.

Alas, it is not enough. We will not be stopped. We will not be dissuaded.

Vote: Deathnote.

Syke is untouchable.

Parama, are you UNBREAKABLE?

[SpyreX]

I fear the lynch is misguided. I take cop claims in any shape or form. Very seriously. I vill not participate in this lynch until i see a well structured case.

If DN wanted to stay alive he could have easily claimed "greek back up cop" or "american back up cop". Instead he takes a shot in the dark? LOL. Someone explain this to me? Logic it does not make.

Parama lies.

Ivy.

Alrighty, I can dig taking "cop claims" seriously. Much like how yesterday's rabid pile of wolves attacking Parama after the claim was suspect, they need to be treated with a grain of salt.

Yet, this is a backup claim.

You know what's awesome to do with backup claims from shady players under strange circumstances? Lynch the hell out of them. On top of my not believing this for a bit, even if its true it gives some insight into what we're dealing with.

Even more interesting is the "I take cop claims very seriously." - "Protect the backup cop" - "Votes for the other claimed cop"

And by interesting I mean seriously whaa

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I want DN gone today.

However, I DO NOT want ani to shoot DN at this point. I thought we talked about this yesterday - a mafia goon is fo' sho going to claim a PR because if ani takes that shot bye-bye vig. And, of course, under normal circumstances there is a huge hesitation to lynch claimed PR's (and doubly so for cops) as is.

On the other hand, there are a few people I'd sure like to see get the rope too and having ani take a blind shot at them could end up just as bad.

Those that need los ropos:
- DN
- FFFF
- Poision Ivy
- wolf

Those people that are on the verge of becoming UNBREAKABLE:
- Rifka
- Mae

[SpyreX]

Yes, you need to expand.

P.S. be glad ani has that bullet and not me because I probably would have shot you for that OR for asking if it needed explanation versus just explaining.

P.S.S. thats probably why I'm never allowed to be a dayvig.

[SpyreX]

The saddest part is I knew deep in the back of my head this would be the rationale. I should listen to those little demons that go "SpyreX, a cop is about to claim for the backup if you say this. Be warned"

How does that = Panaramalammadingdong is lying?
Remember, you could also be naive. Or its some bizarro-miller or ????.

As it sits, le sigh. I don't know if untangling the gordian-cop-knot is worth it at this point.

And now i'm interested in llama's new line of questioning.

[SpyreX]

I think its fairly safe to say those kills were all anti-town. Or it damn well better be.

Claiming backup as russian goon is a tech move. It eitehr gets you shot by the vig dampening him or gets the cop to be your vehement defender.

However, it also works just like that if its the truth.

I'm not amused.

[SpyreX]

:headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk: :headdesk:

WHY

Who is this giant list of people. WHO.

I swear, if he flips cop and you just shot him in the face on day 2 in a large game

[SpyreX]

Yo mod please fix my breaking skillz yo.

Needless to say (I might be away for a bit):

IF Paramamra flips town go back, look at who wolved on him after the claim. Pick one. They're getting lynched today.

[SpyreX]

Pom may be moving up the lynchin' train depending.

Like I said though, not totally around today - if that flip is town I expect the ALLIANCE to have delivered to me a wolf from D1 after the claim.

[SpyreX]

INSERT MY SHOCK AND AWE HERE

Ani, I still want to know who "these people" were that you were basing this shooting off of.

[SpyreX]

No, seriously. That was, of the three claims, the worst to shoot.

I'm vexed.

[SpyreX]

See, since my ALLIANCE is being lazy its been left to me to go a lookin at post Parama's claim:

Because "I'm a goddamn cop, k?" comes off to me as you not really being the cop.

For a cop you sure try to get lynched.

You know, I think you might have forgotten the "scum role-" part of your claim Razz

I'm not buying it. I'm getting better at differentiating between scum and cops especially (since it's such a popular fake claim) and I see way more scum behavior than cop behavior.

Offhand i would say leave him cause if he is telling the truth the scum have no choice but to kill him and even if he is scum cop his own scum have to act on his info at some point. Therefore he is dead no matter what now.

When someone plays mediocre but gets run up to a claim for some stupid reason, he might escape the lynch with a claim. But when someone says "Haha, wagon me all you want, because I'm not getting lynched" the claim doesn't change as many people's minds. Just so you know.

unvote

I think that claiming a faction specific cop isnt something that scum would do in this game. Im betting on a higher chance of there being no Greek mafia (see bastard mod game) then Parama being scum. Too many major pitfalls for scum to make that claim.

Need to do a little reading to see where I need to move my vote first.

So, taking a look at the quick responses to that claim:

Rifka gets super A+++.
LLama gets a smiley face.

The rest of those get barfey-faces of some level.

Pom gets the least as of now.
Dramonic gets a bit worse.

I would totally, TOTALLY, put a bullet through Starbuck or Amished though.


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And ani you're makin it real hard to not want to neuter you since yesterday AFTER THE CLAIM YOU SAID:

I don't understand any of these lynches.

(Hint: Parama was the fat lynch at this point. The guy you shot today.)

And as for Kai?

PFFFFT. DN's claim reeks. Shoot him ani.

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Needless to say, half-cocked again and I'll make it my only goal to make sure you get lynched. Town consensus for your shots is fine (as is taking a shot yourself if it makes sense). Half-cocked and not looking at what's happening AND then just kinda shrugging it off smells of SK.

I don't particularly like that smell.

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(ALLIANCE MEMBERS ONLY READ BELOW)

K, its time to push this a direction and then parse out a good DK as well.

I am torn on DN - if he's lying about backup he's gonna be vanilla.

Ivy, whom I'll be removing my vote from, is probably town (or balls of steel scum with DN).

So, lets get serious.

Unvote, Vote: FeFiFoFum

[SpyreX]

I'm not voting for you...yet.

But, no, in a large game with that kind of claim pushing that wagon goes beyond just :headdesk: to scummy.

Parama (10): LlamaFluff,

Riceballtail

,

Fishythefish

, FeFiFoFum, RichardGHP, DocPotter, Amished, dramonic, Pomegranate, sykedoc

That wagon at its apex had 10 people on it. With multiple scumgroups I'd bank fat and hard on there being at least 3 scum on it.

FFFF and I'd all but guarantee at LEAST one of:

(Amished, dramonic, Pomegranate)

The other is still a mystery.

[SpyreX]

It must be springtime, because you sure have some bees in your bonnet.

Its not a pattern:

1.) Its a function of that garbage that was day 1.
2.) Its a function of multiple scum groups lending to more scum being on fat wagons like that.

I'm glad I am pro too.

I'm also glad how much that has to do with anything.

Much like these little snipes.

You gonna come out and say I'm scum yet or just keep raging against the machine?

[SpyreX]

FFFF is a function of the absolute lack of play.

If DN is lying, there's a high chance he is vanilla because that claim is designed to draw a shot. Him being vanilla mafia neuters the vig.

OHHHH you thought I meant vanilla town. Hahaha no.

At 10? Normally I'd only expect 2. In this, at least 3.

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At this point I'm still lynching individually scummy players. When the knots untie and there is less madness AND I have the gumption to re-read AGAIN that terrible day 1 I'd look.

Its early enough a scum is a scum is a scum. Notice I've never made ANY statement about anyone in relation to a specific scumgroup.

[SpyreX]

My understanding, and the way I'm rolling with it, is that Ani loses his power if he hits someone without a power role or with a post restriction.

This is tangential at best, though to important matters.

[SpyreX]

Well hells bells if thats actually the case fire away.

Although what was up with asking about the post restrictions then?

[SpyreX]

I'm pretty sure I've never had a town read?

I misunderstood vanilla versus vanilla town. In that case, no qualms.

[SpyreX]

If only this wasn't the first time I've had a conversation like this.

I think of vanilla as "having no inherent powers"

Thus, a goon is a vanilla mafia.

[SpyreX]

Ohh you've gotta be kidding me.

The argument is "two shots have been on town?" and somehow that equals I'm scum?

Well, case closed. Nothing more to do here.

Except, ya know, that one of those shots absolutely shouldn't have been taken.

Of course if this is the route power-vig wants to go shoot me and be done with it. This, as it sits, is going to STILL be an uphill struggle.

With the new knowledge about how vigging works - shoot DN. Let that clear a few pieces up.

FFFF coming out like this only strengthens my resolve to see the dangling. The fact that ani takes a bad shot, blames it on people wanting it that didn't and now is holding hands with FFFF is, in entirety, a bad situation.

Rectify it.

[SpyreX]

I still want DN to take a bullet.

In a perfect world I'd machine gun down dramonic and pom and probably Amished as well depending on how it went.

FFFF's jumping out at me is tech and all, but a rope suffices.

[SpyreX]

There's no hate. I love everyone, town or scum.

I just have to kill you.

[SpyreX]

By "scumdar" do you mean all of it, or just you or some mystical hybrid?

Because last I checked you're still voting for DN which means its sure not all of it.

[SpyreX]

@Anon, FishytheFish, Kairyuu, LlamaFluff, My Milked Eek, sykedoc:

Additionally:

If ani isn't toying around (which I would be shocked and or awed about) then he is UNBREAKABLE.

Parama, are you UNBREAKABLE?

Those people that are on the verge of becoming UNBREAKABLE:
- Rifka
- Mae

^^^

See the above, do NOT SHOOT ANYMORE OF THEM THANKS IN ADVANCE

[SpyreX]

@Spy - I petition RV to join unbreakable, he is in my top 5-non CSL partner, argueably top 3 (not to mention one of your unbreakables surprises me but im not getting into that right now). Mae only gets there if FFFF flips scum. Untill then just gets the "weak town read" stamp.

Just weak? I've got good vibes from Mae, which is amazing considering anyone else speaking moonwords makes me want them shot in the face.

[SpyreX]

I like how the drunk makes more sense than most.

As an aside - anyone know if Starbuck is around and just avoiding this game?

If not, thats another decent lynch/shot.

If yes, well make it happen.

[SpyreX]

God I'm exhausted and I will be posting more in here tomorrow.

DN flipping backup is not a bad in the truest of senses. Ivy gets those warm vibes.

I'm really not sure what to do with the UK situation.

UNBREAKABLES or not, this weird act with Kai showing up and ani shooting is really starting to freak me out. A lot.

And, I didn't catch up on the hulabaloo, but FFFF claimed BP?

[SpyreX]

Apparently the fact that ani shot DN after I pointed out that several members of the alliance still supported the shot is rubbing SpyreX the wrong way. Unsure of why though.

Sorry, to be clear its more paranoia on ani's side.

Multiple people go: SHOOT X
Nothing happens.
Kai posts: SHOOT X
X gets shot.

Between that and blaming the Paramama shot on Kai specifically AND both times going "well gee golly look at these towns makin me shoot the wrong people" well...

[SpyreX]

Ouu a venge-lynch.

Should we take another shot before this goes through? Hint: I'm expecting to get shot even though thats a TERRIBLE idea.

[SpyreX]

I always want more shots. I'd shotgun down a list and then end on me if I thought we could pull it off.

[SpyreX]

So its the FIRST and LAST?

Hmm. (Notice I haven't unvoted yet, but I probably will be).

That means before any more votes on there for sure I'd like Kai and Rifka to unvote / revote.

[SpyreX]

The most awesome part of Doc's statement is the fact I haven't moved my vote.

Just FYI.

More coming soon.

[SpyreX]

No, really, look at this:

You're highly suspicious of me for an

event that has not happened yet

.

Chances are he's absolutely full of it. On the chance he isn't, there is absolutely no reason to leave people I want alive there.

I haven't moved my vote because, until I can figure out who the hell I want to potentially take a bullet aside from Pom-hammer, I'd rather it be me for *mysterious reasons*

So, in return:

OMGUS FoS for post 1853

[SpyreX]

I was making fun. Sheesh.

As it sits I am fine with sticking slot one.

[SpyreX]

Yes, I'm willing to gamble on the first spot.

IF I AM WRONG AND THUSLY DEAD:

Alliance, please wipe the board on Dram / Pom / Amished in the near future. Dram especially (I'll guarantee that FFFF and dram are not the same scumteam but).

Give ani like 2-3 more shots and then vanilla him.

Do not, and I swear to god, end up with another fat stack of pages. Move with a purpose and move fast.

That said, I'd prefer Pom hammer. Starbuck chiming in wanting to risk it is really hairy though.

[SpyreX]

...

Does this mean UK is a jester now FFS?

And unless someone takes credit for those kills (which I'm not saying is going to happen) I HAVE to assume ani is legit and we're looking at 3 anti town factions. Or something.

Ffffff

[SpyreX]

I'd rather have ani scum then 3 anti factions.

Of course, the ONLY way I can think of that working well would be sets of 3 which means we've hurt one, all but neutered the other...and the third is still flyin' high.

[SpyreX]

I am going to pre-say I want a shot on either Dram or Pom real quick in the day though.

[SpyreX]

The third is singular?

Am I missing a revelation or how do you know that?

I am operating under the 3 american / 3 greek / 3 russian idea.

[SpyreX]

While I'm HOPING you're right I'm going to plan on the worst case.

This is all fun and games though until we see a bullet hit a brainstem in a bit.

[SpyreX]

Kills don't add up unless ani is the SK.

And, 10/25 in a 5 factional game? Even bastardly thats...bastardly

[SpyreX]

Riceballtail, who replaced kyle99, who was a roleblocker, has been shot on Day 1.
CSL, who replaced SaintKerrigan, who was an American Mafia goon, has been lynched on Day 1.
Fishythefish, who was a post-restricted townie, has had his face burnt off and been stabbed on Night 1.
Anon, who was a vanilla townie, has been thrown off a roof on Night 1.
Parama, who was an anti-Greek Mafia cop, has been shot on Day 2.
DeathNote, who was a backup anti-Russian Mafia cop, has been shot on Day 2.
FeFiFoFum, who replaced MafiaSSK, who was a Greek Mafia goon turned post-restricted Greek Mafia goon, has been lynched on Day 2.
DocPotter, who was a vanilla townie, has been dismembered on Night 2.
Kairyuu, who was an American Mafia doctor, has been sledgehammered on Night 2.
My Milked Eek, who was a jester, has been blowtorched on Night 2.

See, I was thinking about that but even then it doesn't add up.

We have:
Shot - Ani
Burned - Fishy, MME

Then I'm trying to figure out these ones and how they'd pair:
Stabbed - Fishy
Defenestrated - Anon
Dismembered - Doc
Sledgehammered - Kai

So, one kill missing N1 is the double kill.
That means IF there was a protection it has hit both nights or something REALLY doesn't add up.

I mean chances are we'll know for sure by tomorrow but I'd bank hard on there being no stopped kills up to this point.

[SpyreX]

Ohh a night vig better have a TREATISE on why he shot who he did because hells to the no.

As for ani? If he goes off half-cocked, he gets lynched. Otherwise, well, EVENTUALLY one of the scumgroups will have to take care of that issue.

Tenative plan for today: ani's gonna kill a whole mess o people.

[SpyreX]

@zor - yes, see Fishy.

We have 6 "flavors" for the night actions (2 that are connected, 4 that dont add up yet)

[SpyreX]

Psh, well excuse me.

[SpyreX]

On a sidenote, your unbreakable alliances has scum in it, SpyreX. That kinda hurt your town-cred for me.

And a jester!

So, which scum group did I bus then ohh silly one.

And killing the jester MAY happen but I'd rather aim for actual scum and all.

[SpyreX]

? I said I was pretty sure you weren't anti town hombre.

[SpyreX]

No.

Thats not what you said even a little.

You said I lost "town cred" because I had picked out scum.

Which means, by nature, I'm MORE SCUMMY because I wasn't prescient.

That does not equal "check my reads" which is something one would worry about from a town player.

[SpyreX]

And while the jester is a concern its not a concern for today. Killing scum is what matters today.

A known jester doesn't matter until we start getting towards lylo. Then even the scum have to worry depending on how wincons are worded.

So, I swear, do not shoot the jester.

[SpyreX]

Aww comparing me to DGB is a huge compliment but:

On a sidenote, your unbreakable alliances has scum in it, SpyreX.

That kinda hurt your town-cred for me.

I'm not saying you bussed, I'm saying considering you want to shoot me and two of your alliance were anti-town, I'd start reviewing my read skills

So, which is it:

1.) I am more likely to be scum because I had picked scum in my alliance.
2.) My reads as a whole are worse because of the initial grouping I picked out there were scum.

Pick which way this conversation that ends with you getting shot is going to go. See, I'm sporting.

[SpyreX]

Hmmmm

I'd like Mae to weigh in because a naive-single group cop really makes the brain itch but.

[SpyreX]

My patience wears thin:

Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:28 pm
Pomegranate

At least popping in would have been awesome.

Vote: Pom

[SpyreX]

So, the next question is: how does me being wrong about them (and I'm only counting Kai because jester really isn't scum afterall and me putting him in a nolynch block is the awesomest move ever but I digress) directly correlate to being wrong about you?

Further, if my reads are that wrong what is your explanation for the lynches which yes I will rub my belly about.

[SpyreX]

Gosh make ONE mistake and everyone gets all crazy pants.

You know the chances of you getting lynched are absolutely 0 UK. Shot maybe later, lynched, no.

Yea, shooting Pom is fine.

[SpyreX]

I'll roll this way:

UK, we hit two more scum we can lynch you.

You're not getting lynched before then, though.

You're also most definitely not getting shot (I find it "interesting" who's pushed for that).

[SpyreX]

Fine.

I'm still not reading all 70 pages. I'll start from D2 whenever I can be arsed to actually do anything. Maybe later today or tomorrow.

Also, you do realize scum are going to kill me if I start actually being effective, right? This is probably not going to end well for me.

Well, unless ani shoots two more scum with my assistance. That might work.

Ah well, let's see what happens.

The chances of this ending well for you are not high, this is true. However, this is pretty much the best chance you're going to get - if push comes to shove and it looks like we're losing you'll get shot.

If we're winning, we can come to some kind of accord. Despite OTHER things on this page if the tables were turned and I was scum I'd have no issue lynching the jester to secure the win. Thus I have no issues keeping the jester on my side to secure a win.

Which leads us to:

Tell me why you would want to lynch UK? Do you want to play for second place? It's like having an outed scum alive. You can't trust anything they say anyways cause they have no reason to be truthful. What possible motivation would UK have to help us? We know she's a Jester, we don't want to play for "second place" (I don't understand how people can play for second place and not care).

I have every reason to trust them because working with us is the only way they have a pig's chance in hell of completing their win condition.

Which raises the point: jester != scum. Jesters, survivors, etc - if the game can be swung to a town point why waste the time on them? Scum have a mutually opposed wincon, this isn't. This isn't playing for "second place".

Especially since they serve to narrow down the pool for where scum are - which, as we all know, scum just love.

[SpyreX]

We both know, much as I love ya, that you're not making it anywhere near lylo. One way or another.

[SpyreX]

Assuming 3's we've got a while even with the murder spree. I'm not worried and you know I'll stick to my guns on my end of the bargain.

So, finding and shooting scums today is tech. Like Pom and Dramonic for starters.

[SpyreX]

UK I was all for Amished getting a bullet before this went down so its all good.

I'm not sure where the "lie" comes into place because I'm pretty sure that my compatriots would do my final wish and let UK get what she wants if I was pushing up daises before that happened.

This new hesitation from ani "I'll shot the claimed cop and say it was other people's suggestions" is REALLY rubbing me the wrong way especially after that Kai flip.

[SpyreX]

Ohh don't play coy you know I'm town and you know that if we hit a few scum it wouldn't be a hard sell to get you lynched - especially if you're helping (in finding the scum and getting yourself lynched)

What you need to really be worried about is if our vig came down with a case of self-preservation because THAT is going to make this a lot harder.

[SpyreX]

I'm interested in another outside perspective on this game, fo sho'

[SpyreX]

Tangent: If your "meta" was being transparently town when you were town why would you actively change it? Blahhhahhahh.

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Maybe UK can help me shed some light on this, and maybe this is one of the major problems I have:

The first time Amished even mentions me is after, day 2, I call into question the continued push on Parama. And then its way on the defensive.

And then any other interaction is directly a function of me mentioning him as a lynch canidate - pretty universally with the "your scumdar's off (but only in relation to me)" business.

And then the function of activity and the vanilla claim at this juncture :headdesk:

Yea. And I'll even give the benefit of the doubt and the vomit aside but "You're not playing to your meta" "I'm changing my meta away from being awesomely town"

W-hat?

[SpyreX]

I'm missing the bite Ray.

Those make sense?

[SpyreX]

Read it again - getting Innocent on the miller made her think she was insane.
Getting innocent on the townie as well made her think (rightly unless madness) she is naive.

Insane wasn't part of the title.

I dig the dance though ray.

Ani's not reading again.

[SpyreX]

@Spyre: Do you have a point with what you're trying to say about my reactions to you? You replace in 40 pages after the start and you expect me to really have a lot to say to you on day one? Or what?

No. No no no no.

The FIRST time you directly mentioned me at all was in response to me saying I could see you taking a bullet.

Most other interaction has been welp, you're wrong.

And yes its not a huggeee stretch to assume something would be said before that point. Its not like I slid in and hid myself in a blanket. I came in on a tank mobbin' deep.

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ANI I SWEAR TO THE HEAVENS IF YOU SHOT IVY RIGHT NOW I WILL LOSE MY MIND

[SpyreX]

Its still plenty to lynch and I'm not playing fake-tallies and letting every joe schmoe have their input on this shot.

Thats why I'm not concerned. Now if the wagon starts to get BIG well.

And I'm becoming more than irked with ani. So, we'll try this a different way.

Ani, who do you want to shoot?

[SpyreX]

Ivy claimed because she was about to get a whole mess of heat for some bizarrness (read from your deathnote post through the next page).

Ivy, if lying, did a masterful job of it. I buy the claim and all of the subsequent business.

[SpyreX]

See, BEFORE Ani opted to SHOOT Panamanana (which I'm still irked about ) I was all for it because I didn't want dancing and pieces of his claim didn't add up.

Then, after that point, well... yea.

[SpyreX]

On a different note.

People that I could seriously put a bullet through:
Pom, Dramonic, Amished

People that really need to get with the pace a whole lot more:
Starbuck, Zoraster, Sykedoc

People that shouldn't be on the town list because they have a third party win condition but are still playing more town than many:

UncertainKitten

People that BETTER NOT SEE A BULLET I SWEAR TO GOD:

PoisionIvy

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If there's not at least a scum amongst that first group I would hang myself.

And, just so its updated:

Parama (10): LlamaFluff,

Riceballtail

,

Fishythefish

,

FeFiFoFum

, RichardGHP (Jah),

DocPotter

, Amished, dramonic, Pomegranate, sykedoc

I'm still fully expecting 2 more in there at minimum.

[SpyreX]

I like PI's megawall.

However my tinfoil says that ani isn't scum with Kai - if he's in a scumgroup its the one we haven't hit AND Pom is there too.

But, that can wait. This not shooting thing though. That's a vexing.

[SpyreX]

You get lynched once CERTAIN PEOPLE ON THIS PAGE START SHOOTING SCUM THANKS IN ADVANCE

[SpyreX]

Are we talking immediately or ?

Who ani should kill today:

Dramonic
Pomegranate
Amished

The only reason I put Dram first is the cold, cold feet he's got. When he pipes up and says thats no go too then we'll have different issues.

[SpyreX]

Ani is playing up self-preservation more than taking his shots. He's expressed pretty clearly not wanting to shoot Pom because it'd make him lose his vig.

I dont like that BUT as I'm pretty sure he's town I'm willing to acquiesce some - and since Amished claimed vanilla already I know he's not shooting there.

[SpyreX]

Hot damn Starbuck is still IN this game?

Move that up onto the list of shooting.

Mae:

Pom hasn't said anything. However, ani has it in his head that she's vanilla and thus wont take the shot.

(I tried to use babelfish for Jah's post )

The fact that THE JESTER is playing a tech game versus some of you who HAVE to be town is driving me absolutely nuts, fyi.

[SpyreX]

I forgot Pom requested replacement. That puts a kink on things and explains some stuff.

Yea, we can wait for a replacement for that one. Then kill it

As an aside, on that offchance we have a tracker there's a fat list of VT's to watch (hint: I'm expecting one of them to be lying).

[SpyreX]

(Its really sunk in if there is no other bastardry SC gets mad props for this damn vig role because I swear to god he took the best thing in the world and make it the worst)

Ani:

Every damn scum now is going to claim VT. As tech as it is watching you shoot cops you're gonna have to bite the bullet and shoot a vanilla at some point.

Now, since you don't seem to want to read the game aside from checking your shots we need to come to some consensus.

[SpyreX]

Late game day? We're not lynching ANYONE until you shoot and based on your own hesitation those cards are laid out. I'm not going to be down with you going half-cocked on another frakkin PR.

Hows about this: Shoot Dramonic.

Right now.

[SpyreX]

This, in essence, IS late game unless you're opting to not shoot ever again.

I'd rather have you take the shot and move from there.

Like you did. Huzzah!

[SpyreX]

I think we're talking circles but (lets assume I'm right and Dram is scum and you get more shots).

At this point, if you're unwilling to shoot a VT claim you're going to be doing nothing until we're whittled down. Which takes FOREVER. And assumes that you actually, you know, don't get killed between now and then.

So, if you're gonna hope to cruise until late game this is, in essence, late game for you.

[SpyreX]

Or to put it differently: Your life expectancy regardless of alignment isn't much longer.

[SpyreX]

Ok, who is the man?

Yea. Thats right. I'm the man.

[SpyreX]

I'm thinking that Ivy is a total red herring (the bastardly part) and we're looking at just two scumgroups at the moment.

I REALLY want you to shoot again but I can't decide who.

[SpyreX]

Lets talk about this (since you now know I'm awesome):

What are your thoughts on taking a VT shot today? (Amished, Starbuck, and we'll go ahead and assume Pom)

IF not them, who would you take a plunk at?

[SpyreX]

Aight.

Here's another one: What if there's someone you're about 75% sure is town AND if they are scum you're PRETTY sure they're American?

Would you take that shot?

[SpyreX]

Thats one I was thinking about.

I'll lay it out here because, like you, my time now is obviously limited:

High shot priorities:

Amished (VT), Starbuck (VT), Pom (?)

Med shot priorities:

Zoraster (?)

Low shot priorities:

Ray, Poison

And my HUGE conundrum:

Rifka.

This is the one that I'm really going round and round about. I get a town itch but I could REALLY see partnered with Kai. I just don't know.

That one bothers me a lot and I can't decide which way.

[SpyreX]

OR it may be time for the most fun of games called:

MASSCLAIM ON DAY THREE AND ARGUMENTS AGAINST IT ARE DEALT WITH BY BULLETS.

I'm not sold on this yet, but this may be happening. I have a plan a brewing.

[SpyreX]

A.) No way to know at this point (I sure HOPE not because a JOAT SK is pretty tech but you never know).

B.) I really doubt it. I think Dram was just the SK.

[SpyreX]

Just to be sure ani: You will only lose your powers if you hit a vanilla town. Nothing to do with post restrictions. Additionally, hitting mafia of any type will not cause you to lose them?

[SpyreX]

I mean hitting a mafia goon will not kill it.

[SpyreX]

Hmm, that may put a crimp in things. I'll have to work the numbers.

[SpyreX]

Amished - Vanilla / No PR
animorpherv1 - Awesome
Jahudo - ? / PR
LlamaFluff - ? / ?
Maemuki - Miller / PR
PoisonIvy - Russian Cop (Naive?) / No PR
Pomegranate - ? / ?
RayFrost - ? / ?
Rifka Viveka - ? / ?
SpyreX - ? / PR
Starbuck - Vanilla / No PR
sykedoc - Softclaimed / No PR
UncertainKitten - Jester / No PR
zoraster - ? / ?

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Am I missing any obvious ones?

[SpyreX]

I DO have a post restriction. I said it when I replaced in. It just hasn't activated yet.

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Pom may be up on the block depending on how some of this parsing goes.

[SpyreX]

Ohh chances are VERY high ani is shooting today until he runs out of bullets - I'm banking on scum not drooling out and one of if not both ani and I dead today.

I'm just trying to figure out the best way to progress.

And would 3:3:1 be balanced? If we're looking at two scumgroups I'd bank harder on 4:4:1

[SpyreX]

Stupid town-modkills ending the day BAH. There goes THAT part of my evil plans.

[SpyreX]

I was catching up on that. Thanks though!

[SpyreX]

I'm still torn on what I want to do from this point and its driving me nuts.

That dirty part of me REALLY wants to force the claims today in a very specific order and then do my bidness.

[SpyreX]

Since you're around how abouts you explain why you said ....yet the first time you claimed no PR.

[SpyreX]

We REALLY need a replacement for Pom.

My "checking for PR claims" ended up being a full reread which brought a few things to light.

I need to think about my massclaim idea more. Because it could be rolling the hard six but if it works, game set match.

[SpyreX]

EBWOP: also I have no PR... yet.

Compare that to me:

And, fyi, I have a post restriction. It isn't active...yet.

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Why did you add in the yet?

[SpyreX]

EBWOP: also I have no PR... yet.

[SpyreX]

Hmmmm, fair enough.

I really need to decide what direction to go from here.

Here's another one though: Why do you think you're still alive after you softclaimed?

[SpyreX]

As an outsider who really has the best chance of winning if we pull this together:

Thoughts on a massclaim?

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Yea you can count that as an Amished vote

[SpyreX]

Yes. And I've pretty damn well made sure it doesn't happen.

Which I will get to if the claim time goes through.

[SpyreX]

Psh power roles besides ani are for the weak.

I'm definitely not counting on them to be helpful, just hopefully not actively unhelpful.

Hmmmmmmm

[SpyreX]

Not to mention looking at my notes if scum opted to cripple town powers well GG because the ones that are known are still kicking around.

Realistically the only negative would be outing a doc. Anything else I couldn't care less about.

[SpyreX]

Lets just say I'm not any of the above you listed and it sure hasn't hindered me one bit. :smug:

That's 1/4 of the players. I'm suspecting it's ethier going to be the exact same or completley different VT wise.

Ohh never change. That made me giggle.

[SpyreX]

As long as the alternate is in effect whatev's.

Ohh yea and PS (I was saving this for later but hey you wanna snipe lets dance):

If for nothing but the fact that he's only bitching about a confirmed town (in my eyes SpyreX is 100% town) and trying to discredit Spyre in any way, shape or form.

[SpyreX]

His push for you getting into the safety net that is the ALLIANCE, the ebb and flow of your play.

I'm fairly convinced on you being town (like I said, 75%ish) but its enough that it worries me.

[SpyreX]

@Rifka:

I thought Kai was pushing for you too? Ohh god am I losing my mind again?

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@Amished:

If for nothing but the fact that he's only bitching about a confirmed town (in my eyes SpyreX is 100% town) and trying to discredit Spyre in any way, shape or form.

However, before you decide to shoot me or anything, I'll claim that I'm vanilla. So you'll either have to make the alliance blindly follow you to my lynch or finish off Ani's ability to daykill.

Finally: If you're targeting me with your scumhunting radar, I doubt that the scum really has anything to worry about cause you iso'd me and apparently it wasn't as bad as you thought yet you're still pushing.

The bold sure looks like discrediting AND I don't know where you got I'd let up at all?

@Spyre: Welp, you have been wrong.

I said what I did (and didn't bring up any snipe about what I believe your allegiance to be) because of the

reasonless following

of you against me. I understand having a blind spot for people saying the same thing as you; however I'm seeing a current of anti-Amished hate for very little reasoning.

Reasonless?

Reasonless?

Fffff

[SpyreX]

Pom's the lynch.

Amish is up to ohh, I don't know, but it can sit for the moment. It makes me grit my teeth to not take up the put up or shut up crap but it can sit. (note also the large and fabulous cases I made on CSL, FFFF and Dram - its about results)

No claiming today.

I'm leaning hard on Ani putting the bullet through zoraster.

[SpyreX]

I'm pretty sure Amished's response to my initial CSL vote was /cry. I'm not sure what to make of that.

Although, that does lead me to something else:

I've "backed off" for a minute. Instead of wringing your hands about how the game-loss is on my shoulders how about you go ahead and throw down a case. That'd be awesome.

@Ani:

I'm thinkin' Zor and Pom need shootin real bad. Preference? My itch says zor has a bit more of a chance to give us a good flip but Pom definitely has some juicy morsels to get pulled from it.

[SpyreX]

Look at wolf's ample play - and I know zor was around last night for sure and some of today and...nothing.

[SpyreX]

We'll just skip the middleman:

@Ani:

Shoot zor or pom, your call.
If you can still shoot, shoot the other one.

If you can still shoot after that well.

[SpyreX]

I'm not what you would call a "patient man" when it comes to this.

You can wait for the flip, o course.

[SpyreX]

The time is going to come when that is no longer a factor.

Make a case on who you think is scum, not who is going to be lynched right now.

[SpyreX]

Take your time. The more information the better.

[SpyreX]

Roger that.

I hope you realize that part of the goal is burning your vig out today hopefully causing a whole lot of awesome on the way down.

[SpyreX]

Hahahahahahahahahaahahahaaaaaaaa

[SpyreX]

Ani, hold that shot for a min, please.

[SpyreX]

Sonofa.

Damnit. DAMNIT. Tooo slow and hoisted on my own petard.

[SpyreX]

We better pray Pom flips a PR because with that flip my instinct SCREAMS this is gonna be a town flip.

[SpyreX]

On the flipside snookums I think depending on how this goes we can set you free tonight.

[SpyreX]

I think due to the sheer awesome today we are almost at cruise control for cool. Almost. A couple baby steps away.

[SpyreX]

Nah man I take credit for this one if its VT - Greek surprised me a little and made me hesistate but I didn't think you'd be THAT Johnny-on-the-spot with your timing.

Regardless, even if you lose your powers with that shot you've done Gods work today.

[SpyreX]

Hahahahahqaha

I should never doubt myself

High fives all around

[SpyreX]

With this new batch of awesome I may have to think about doing a massclaim today and then some shots and then lynching you UK - although now I need to be sure we dont accidentally win today with the sheer awesome.

[SpyreX]

Hold on that, for just a few.

Ani, UK - thoughts with the massively reduced numbers of scum on a massclaim.

I've got a couple fears that would be deadened some based on how it went.

[SpyreX]

He's almost definitely not Greek at this point. I'm even leaning hard away from Russian. (Amished)

[SpyreX]

Aight. Lets wrap this piggy up then.

Gimme like 10 minutes and I'm gonna outlay the rules.

Because I am now appointing myself EMPEROR OF THIS TOWN. With my trustee Jester AND Armsman.

[SpyreX]

THE FIRST EDICT OF EMPEROR SPYREX I, LORD OF THE DREAMWORLD

Today, we opt to purge the rest of those who would do us injustice from this nightmare realm. The first step to this grand endeavor is knowledge. Knowledge that we will take forcibly if necessary.

There will be a massclaim. It will go as follows.

1.) You will claim clearly your rolename and whether or not you have a PR.
2.) If you have any abilities, you will describe them to the best of your ability.
2.a) If your ability has targets, you will name all targets.
3.)

If you are unsure / forgot / whatever you will contact the mod before you claim.

This is a one shot deal. The existence of any "ohh I forgot" or "ohh I was being coy" will be met with a bullet or a rope. This is guaranteed.
4.) Not claiming is not an option.

This is not popcorn. This is not a debate. We will be victorious.

To show that I am a true and just leader, I will go first:

I am a vanilla post-restricted townie. If at any point (and good luck with this) I were to get half the votes required for lynch until I no longer did I could only vote and unvote.

First up: RayFrost. Claim.

[SpyreX]

And I am true to my word. Barring absolute madness you're gonna get your wish today Kitty. Although if that ends the game I may in fact have to policy kill you for the rest of eternity.

[SpyreX]

Its just paranoia at this point. Although Amished pulling the "put up or shut up" probbabbbly isn't a great American move at that point.

[SpyreX]

Of course now the waiting game begins. We can't popcorn this - I have a pretty exact list with pretty exact reasons in my head.

[SpyreX]

Bastardly is the lyncher that if they fail becomes a jester.

A jester ending the game just wouldn't be fun.

UK one more task before you go into the beyond tonight. Make sure I don't make any mistakes when I compile the claims and/or miss anyone.

[SpyreX]

Yea I'm all for sharing the love and UK has been awesome soo.

And the plan for the rest of the day will be a factor of what the claims deliver.

[SpyreX]

P.S. If any of you see Ray posting actively and avoiding this thread well....

[SpyreX]

Just wait when meta rears its ugly head.

UK IS ACTIVE IN THIS GAME MUST BE A JESTER

[SpyreX]

Meta is terrible logic sooo (or at least way overused but I digress)

[SpyreX]

Every once in a while I catch myself thinking of using meta and then give myself 40 lashes.

I even thought about using meta as a defense for something once. Someday those scars will heal.

[SpyreX]

I should have seen that coming, shouldn't I?

ANYWHO, time to wait impatiently for this next part to come to fruition.

[SpyreX]

Ohh I'll post my list before this day ends.

Ray go ahead and list out your protects (even though we know what you're going to say regardless).

This brings up some interesting questions.

Sykedoc: Claim

[SpyreX]

And for the record that's about exactly what I DIDNT want in a claim. All nice and concise with every bit of information you can give TIA.

[SpyreX]

Nevermind I'm retarded its fine.

[SpyreX]

There's no elections I've claimed the throne from the blood of my dissidents.

Skye needs to show up.

[SpyreX]

The POWERFUL applies to my WIZARDOM separate from my new Empire.

I appreciate the sentiment though.

[SpyreX]

Hmmmm.

Rifka - Claim

[SpyreX]

Always. Oddly enough I'm not COMPULSIVELY checking this thread I just have real good luck.

I'm probably out for the night though.

[SpyreX]

.... Well, HUH.

LlamaFluff: Claim

UK, you around? Need to bounce something by someone because well.

[SpyreX]

Do me a quick fav and ISO datadanne real quick and tell me if my gut instinct to have ani put a bullet through Riv is a bad one

[SpyreX]

Ok, thats what I was thinking. I'm gonna be PISSED if that was one of those "Ohh teehee look at me lying as vanilla because I'm soooo awesome" moves.

[SpyreX]

We are ohh so slowly.

And Rifka maaaybe if data was brand spanking new maybe. Even then no.

Part of me doesn't want to end up burning ani's shot on that.
Part of me is afraid that would be the last scum and then FL wouldn't win (although if that were to happen I swear I would call this a team win)

Buttttt

Part of me just likes shooting people a lot.

[SpyreX]

That's my worry. What do you think of 3:3:1:18 balance?

It seems better than 4:4:1:16, but I don't balance larges.

We'll probably find out tonight with the kills though. I'd prefer to hold the shot.

Disregarding the ani factor AND the fact that the town numbers are at least technically two less (jester / lyncher)

3:3:1:18 Seems town-slanted (worst case a scum group could be eliminated by d2, best case (town lynches town, all shots hit town and go through) it'd still take till day 5 for it to be unrecoverable I think)

4:4:1:16 isn't terrible - crosskills don't become an immediate screwjob and the town still has some weight to chew through.

3:3:3:1:15 Still gives me the willies. I'm really leaning hard on it not being the case buttttt.

If its 3:3:1:18 I'd put money on there being a backup SK though.

[SpyreX]

And Faraday your replacementismer really gives me the bad juju and TECHNICALLY has disobeyed the laws of the Empire and could cause you to be put to the rope.

Just sayin'

[SpyreX]

Awesome maybe I'll get this done before I'm old and gray!

Jahudo: Claim

[SpyreX]

I think thats it unless anyone wants to claim sinning earlier and come clean (I am not only your Emperor, but your spiritual leader as well)

(correct me on the dead but)

The Living:

Amished - Vanilla / No PR
Animorpherv1 - Vig / No PR
Faraday - Vanilla / No PR
Jahudo - Vanilla / PR
LlamaFluff - Vanilla / No PR
Maemuki - Miller / PR
PoisonIvy - Anti-Russian Cop / No PR
RayFrost - Doctor / No PR
Rifka Viveka - Vanilla / No PR
SpyreX - Vanilla / PR
Sykedoc - Jailer / No PR
UK - Lyncher turned Jester / No PR

The Dead:

Riceballtail - Roleblocker / No PR
CSL - American Goon / No PR
Fishy - Vanilla / No PR
Anon - Vanilla / No PR
Parama - Anti-Greek Cop / No PR
DeathNote - Anti-Russian Backup / No PR
FFFF - Greek Goon / PR
DocPotter - Vanilla / No PR
Kairyuu - American Doctor / No PR
MME - Jester / No PR
Dramonic - SK JOAT / No PR
Zoraster - Greek Voyeur / No PR
Pomegranate - Greek Goon / No PR

So, breakdowns:

Of 25:

4 Post Restrictions / 1 scum / 1 on non-vanilla (miller)
10 Power Roles / 1 American / 1 Greek / 1 SK / 7 Town
--- Of the Town:
1 Doctor / 1 Roleblocker / 1 Jailer / 1 Vig / 3 Cops

Analysis Round 1:

*Russian is the bastard red-herring. Balance is really Doc/RB/Jailer/Vig/1-side Cop. Versus 3 American (goon/goon/doc) / 3 Greek (goon/goon/watcher) / 1 sk (???) with the possibility of losing bodies to the lyncher-jester business.

*All claimed power roles at this point are probably town.

*All claimed PR's at this point are probably town.

So:

The single scum lies within:
Amished
Faraday
Llama
Rifka

However: If I am wrong and there IS a Russian mafia all bets are off.

Major concerns:
1.) Ivy getting an innocent on Mae. Need clarification on the role interaction there.
2.) Rifka's DD business.
3.) The Russian mafia herring.

I'll do some brainstorming on the right course from here

[SpyreX]

A peeping tom.

[SpyreX]

Viable Courses:
a.) Reasonable Approach
--- Ani hammer's FL in the same post he vigs someone (probably Rifka)
b.) Scorched Earth
--- Ani shoots EVERY CLAIMED POWER ROLE and then we move from there depending.
c.) Skip the middle man
--- The last remaining American goes "well, I'm not a roleblocker so I dont think I can win this against 4 and I surrender" and then we move to a replacing Rifka with the American.

Ohhh, and one other note I want to bring out to the table:

Why would Richard(Jah) asked to be replaced and then bah post? Especially if vanilla town? What is the connection there?

[SpyreX]

You know which approach I like

[SpyreX]

It could, in fact, be considered... bastardly?

There is a chance this is 4:3:1:17.

If that is the case it'll come out and I don't think that changes tooo much.

[SpyreX]

BTW I hope everyone checks my numbers and makes sure I didn't miss anything.

[SpyreX]

And 4:4:1:2:14 works out to be 11:14 which is scarrryyyy.

Of course that makes 3:3:3:1:2:1 even scarier.

Why not ani shoot and hammer?

[SpyreX]

One would HOPE that if they happened simultaneously they'd be resolved simultaneously.

Someone could, theoretically, ask the mod what would happen in that situation.

[SpyreX]

Ask, get back to us, maybe will move that direction.

@LLama:

I agree. Of course *shh* you're my #1 for Russian if they existed with one of them sooooo.

The only other absolute paranoia I have is in regards to Ray being a backup SK that I can't even quantify.

[SpyreX]

True ani can ask too. Or whomever.

And then we dance.

If we can't do this I want to be the one to hammer you and send you into the great nothingness. The waking world

[SpyreX]

Ahh good to see we're paranoia bff's.

When zor flipped I went "OHH DAMNIT LLAMA HATH TRICKED ME AND HAS BEEN RIDING THE POM PONY TOO HARD"

At least I get to be paranoid about you being scum in a group that...doesn't exist as far as we know.

I'd STILL love to know how the kill flavors add up too.

[SpyreX]

The miller with an innocent result which makes the head itch.

[SpyreX]

What EXACTLY was your rolename again Mae?

[SpyreX]

Post-Restricted Miller?

And nothing made mention of being uni-group or multi-group?

[SpyreX]

Yea he did that right ani.

UK, answer about the shot?
Ani, answer about the shot?

[SpyreX]

No no no.

What happens if, hypothetically, you shoot the last scum in the same post you hammer UK?

[SpyreX]

Wait..

Would you lose your powers if you shot a town aligned non-vanilla post restricted player?

And, I know you have to specify names

Lets say I'm the last scum: if you went Shoot: Spyrex Hammervote: UK would UK win or not?

[SpyreX]

So you still can't shoot Mae if it came to it (not that it was gonna, just thinking aloud)

[SpyreX]

Sooo we wait.

I guess in the meantime Ray and Syke can keep doin what they've been doin at night.

Ivy can do whatever she wants (I'd take a shot at one of those four "vanillas" that doesn't get shot)

And dancing for all.

[SpyreX]

I guess its a function of if you shoot TODAY and what happens from it.

If you have your shot left RF should protect you for sho. Even over himself. Otherwise dance it up I suppose.

I'm being jaded with Syke's jail because I want to live but it does serve the added benefit of removing SOME doubt (or forcing scum to NK to try and frame me hahaha)

[SpyreX]

Welp that's no fun.

Vote: UK

It's been a pleasure, like always. I'll meet you in the afterlife.

[SpyreX]

Psh the talking phase is done.

Now is when we lynch UK

[SpyreX]

You're pretty where it matters, all other variables unknown.

Happy scumday to all, and to all a good night.

[SpyreX]

You move with a purpose and that's mafia-pretty right there.

[SpyreX]

God I saw these posts and thought there was a game ending flip MY LORD GUYS DONT YOU DO THAT TO ME