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Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:53 pm

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vote farside


I feel left out...
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Post Post #36 (isolation #1) » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:12 pm

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Hi this thread is now about anteaters.

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Post Post #47 (isolation #2) » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:00 pm

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Where are the pictures of my anteaters?!!?!
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Post Post #61 (isolation #3) » Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:25 pm

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farside22 wrote:
Papa Zito wrote:Prozac-farside scumteam ITT.
papa zito/ABR scumteam seems more likely.
Your right!

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Post Post #63 (isolation #4) » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:54 pm

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Espeonage wrote:Obviously Porochaz/Dybeck/Jahudo/Seraphim are all anteater scum.
Your right

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Post Post #73 (isolation #5) » Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:25 am

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Seraphim wrote:What happened to the anteaters?

Also, it should be fairly obvious that Zito is Pirate Scum, guys.
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Post Post #93 (isolation #6) » Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:10 pm

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bv310 wrote:Lynch All Aardvarks? I think we're past the joke stage buddy.
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Post Post #99 (isolation #7) » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:29 pm

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bv310 wrote:
Sando wrote:Why are people in this game seemingly obsessed with staying in the RVS, every time we start getting vagueling non-random conversation we apparently need more ant-eaters.
I can think of a few reasons. Namely, scum trying to prolong the random stage so that they can get a handle on who the weak link in town is.

Incidentally,
Unvote, Vote: Porochaz
You're the worst offender in this regard.
I am. Well done for noticing.

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Post Post #102 (isolation #8) » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:41 pm

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Seraphim wrote:If he was seriously going for a policy lynch, I think he would be trying to convince us to policy lynch you rather than just voting for you.
This is true.

Well done Seraphim, this is A. why Im not being serious
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and B. you get a gold star. I cant be assed finding another gold star link though so can you share the one with bv.

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Its only a policy lynch if he is expecting everyone to vote that way, he hasnt given any reasoning therefore I think he probably was still being random. Your automatic assumption that its a policy lynch on the basis of nothing is interesting though.

Also, policy lynch discussion is stupid. Its not, let me make it clear Im not going back on what I said. policy lynch discussion, bad. response discussion, good. Also what bv said was a bit dumb, so Im taking back that gold star and handing firmly to seraphim. If people tunnel and make up scumtells then they are going to be caught easily. CKD, would be dumb and dare I say, too smart and experienced at the game to go down that route as are most experienced players, no matter the alignment.
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Post Post #103 (isolation #9) » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:43 pm

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*Also, policy lynch discussion is stupid. Let me make it clear...

Damn, me correcting myself yet not deleting it properly

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Post Post #109 (isolation #10) » Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:50 am

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I was partly drunk, partly making my own fun, partly mafia strategy. The way I usually play except 10x more annoying...
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Post Post #112 (isolation #11) » Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:28 am

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bv310 wrote:Seraphim, I've found that it's always scum who try to draw out the RVS in order to get it a bit closer to deadline before the actual play begins. It's usually not close enough to make a difference, but it gives a bit extra time to look for either breadcrumbs (in a theme game) or slight PR-tells.
Looks like we have someone who plays from "Ye Olde Book of Scum". Im guessing we'll be butting heads later when Im not being such a douche.
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Post Post #115 (isolation #12) » Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:08 am

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Really shouldnt have ongoing games in your sig...
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Post Post #117 (isolation #13) » Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:29 am

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Im guessing it was ongoing when he put it there.
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Post Post #120 (isolation #14) » Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:41 am

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I think I have to make one thing clear, I am not Mastin.

I also think your definition of douchey is different from mine.

I am also definetly not trying to get myself lynched. However its this "serious" side of the game Im attacking. Im not going to distract from any meaningful conversation. You have seen how I play dybeck, you know that Im not going to go ruining other peoples fun. However, going deep into policy lynching and turning this thread into a theory chat that should be left in MD and not actually getting anything done is probably just as bad as the RVS and causes people to be disinclined to read long boring posts which have no content in them that they couldnt have read in a dozen threads in the public forums. In the past few games I've played very seriously and whilst I think my performance in both was excellent, (unusual for me, as Im very critical of my play) the seriousness in the former of the two games caused me to tunnel. Keeping relaxed and simple and having a laugh is the way I want to go with this. Of course, Ill be serious at times and I plan to get involved in debate, but if I post a few anteater pics from time to time, it shouldn't be viewed as an annoyance, its only a game, not real life.
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Post Post #133 (isolation #15) » Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:25 pm

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I see why ckd is wanting a policy lynch. Farside is goodposting, you get a gold star.

Faraday, I miss Daniel :(
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Post Post #136 (isolation #16) » Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:25 pm

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Awesome
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Post Post #138 (isolation #17) » Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:20 pm

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We are on page 6, we have just started the beginning of our conversations. There is one thing I love doing on this site more than anything (more than annoying people with anteaters and whatever else I can think of) and that is ripping up the poor 'ickle player that is feeling sorry for himself and gets all huffy the first bit of pressure is put upon him... I can some my feelings up in one word. Testicles. I recommend growing some.

You are being attacked on the basis of your reaction to ckd's vote, you explain, we move on, or we don't, its how the game is played. Your continued "Boo hoo, I can't take it any more, you are all so me-he-he-ean" is whats making me continue to vote for you. What the hell is the point in throwing a tantrum the first sign of pressure? It's what the game is about, there is no guarantee we will move off you, but it's better to learn how to play better and give your reasoning rather than be the whiney pathetic newbie your being now. Play the game, become more experienced, learn how to deal with it. Don't go "uh... lynch me then" then immediately sign up for another game where the same thing happens because you can't be fucked learning.

My thoughts can be accurately summed up in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOBIq0R4iQY
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Post Post #142 (isolation #18) » Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:56 pm

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RichardGHP wrote:
curiouskarmadog wrote:interesting....richard, why do you think it is protown to lynch you? (yes it is sort of trick question)
I'm evidently the most anti-town player in the game, so you should just go ahead and lynch me. That's why.
125, 127 and this are fairly tantrum like. Please explain why, telling us all to vote for you when the very slightest bit of pressure is applied is not tantrum like at all.

Or are you just being a jerk?
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Post Post #144 (isolation #19) » Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:48 pm

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Then please GTFO of this thread. Kthxbai
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Post Post #149 (isolation #20) » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:40 am

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RichardGHP wrote:EBWOP:

Well part of my "tantrum" is reaction testing, and part of it is a little frustration. C'mon, you really can't empathise with being panicked and frustrated when 1 person votes you three times?
No, at least not now, and never the way you reacted. One person voting you 3 times is still one person. Actually in my view they come out looking scummier, in most cases.

Also what reactions were you planning on getting here? All I can see you getting is annoyed WTF is he doing posts.
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Post Post #184 (isolation #21) » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:43 pm

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Charlie, you need to read the last few pages mate, you might be drunk as hell at the moment but to make a proper post about whats gone on you can't just decide that you know what your doing based on what you have read in the last 5 minutes, your to drunk to write or read, I would hope one of the players quotes this tomorrow so that he can read it over.

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Post Post #192 (isolation #22) » Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:03 am

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This (the last 2 posts) is a dumb game.

I hate the LaLurkers mechanic, how about we let Patrick do his job and prod/replace and we do some proper scumhunting?

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Post Post #208 (isolation #23) » Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:43 pm

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Papa Zito wrote:
Porochaz wrote:This (the last 2 posts) is a dumb game.
Think of it as a public service.

P.S. You should be asking dybeck why he didn't jump on DocPotter since he was also playing the dumb game. Unless you'd rather keep talking about scumhunting instead of actually doing it?
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Post Post #212 (isolation #24) » Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:55 pm

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RichardGHP wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
RichardGHP wrote:Everybody should vote me now.
Reverse psychology ain't gonna help you here.
No, I'm serious. Lynch me now.
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Post Post #213 (isolation #25) » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:09 pm

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Just ignore me, Im being a bit of an idiot and misread the question.
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Post Post #219 (isolation #26) » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:38 pm

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At the moment I couldnt care less about lurkers, especially the ones who have not posted yet. I also think if Dybeck has a better person to lynch than someone who is going to be useless and is actually doing something useful then he is doing nothing wrong.
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Post Post #225 (isolation #27) » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:41 pm

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ABR is playing roughly how I expect him to early on.
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Post Post #276 (isolation #28) » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:57 am

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Papa Zito, why is my opinion so important to you? You seem to want to pass your suspicions onto me and frankly I see nothing there. If you have a problem with it, deal with it yourself.
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Post Post #282 (isolation #29) » Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:45 am

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Post Post #339 (isolation #30) » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:44 am

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RichardGHP wrote:Not scumhunting? How about you read Post 309 where I call a scum read on Faraday.

With that,
Unvote; Vote Faraday
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Lastly:
Sando wrote:Richard:

You get voted, over-react
That's my meta.
You get voted again, over-react again.
That's my meta.
You get voted yet again, you get angry, go into hiding
I think I have a right to be angry, and the hiding was unintentional.
You get called out for hiding, you come out and claim it was a gambit
God, I don't know, maybe I really was gambiting?




What? Richard must be crazy guys that last sentence doesn't even make sense!!1111
Stop using meta as an excuse!!! Its ridiculous!!! Not only that if you know3 your meta, you can pretty much fake it. Also how many games have you played??? Not enough in anycase to have any reasonable meta. I smell bullshit. Dont use meta as a defence.

Also votes are on you for giving scum-like reactions. Wait, what was that? We are voting you based on... reactions??!?! Isn't that what you were doing... so yeah you FAIL there! Also your gambit failed to pay off, you didnt release that data nearly soon enough and even when you did it wasn't nearly thorough enough and looked like it had been cobbled together off the drop of a hat.

The fact is every step of the way you have over-reacted to every single thing. Not only that but when you came up with an excuse for your over-reactions you failed to make a proper conclusion.
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Post Post #366 (isolation #31) » Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:11 am

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Doubt Ill be round till Monday
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Post Post #391 (isolation #32) » Sat Mar 27, 2010 5:55 am

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Posting quickly...

Richards reaction against Farday fails, if he's v/la then thats what he is. 1 vote by you is NOT a bandwagon its you voting for someone and noone agreeing with you.
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Post Post #408 (isolation #33) » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:13 am

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I think the bv case is understandable. Better than the shitty ABR one at any rate. However the Richard wagon is where its at.
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Post Post #413 (isolation #34) » Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:42 am

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Albert B. Rampage wrote:Right now I don't care who gets lynched as long as it's not me. Some are lurking, some are posting a lot, but in the end it doesn't make a difference because scum can do either. So I'll just vote for whoever for now.
However the way your posting is distracting others from real wagons. Could you kinda, post a little more. Kthanks.
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Post Post #436 (isolation #35) » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:42 am

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Thought someone would attack 120, suprised it took this long though. I understand totally what you are saying but before I decided to totally disregard my early posts about having more fun and not being serious I felt it necassery to differentiate myself from someone who would just spam the crap out of a thread. Which ended up being that post which I don't like much either, but as I'm not defending myself in regards to alignment, it doesnt mean much.

I disagree with your first point on the basis that we were still in the random stage and that any player who votes day 1 based on trust rather than fact is very iffy in my book. It is also in that stage of the game appropriate to assume the vote is random. Policy lynches to me are only actually policy when someone explains why they are what they are. A policy is only a policy if there is one there! I don't like policy lynches in any case, they cause the essence of a game to collapse and don't allow second chances. Your point about lynch/vote is a minor one. When talking about removing a terrible player from a game by voting, you are aiming for a lynch, thus policy lynching. Whats the point in policy voting, you are forming a one man army against someone who plays bad.

Arguably CKD was policy voting in his posts, he didnt give any reasoning. However his push to "trust him" and voting Richard 3 times and the fact that he did say it was partial policy suggests that he was actually pushing for a lynch and others to vote with him. Hence why I wrote policy lynch.

But that is largely theory yet again, and my theory on theory seems to be a ridiculous mistake on my part. Saying rather than doing. In regards to being a commentator to this game rather than being
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I should point out I have the afternoon off of uni hence the longer post.

In summary: I agree with your last two points, I disagree with your first point on policy and gave a large explanation why.

I like your first post however, you may also have a gold star.
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Post Post #441 (isolation #36) » Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:18 am

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At the time it was scummy for Richard to assume that CKD was voting based on policy rather than random. CKD has since stated:
curiouskarmadog wrote:no, its true, partial policy lynch...partial random..

if that is scummy on page 4, bring on the votes bitches.
which makes Richard correct (or half correct) in regards to it being a policy lynch. However I still maintain its scummy to automatically think so. The bit about vote vs lynch was mostly theory and how it effected this case.

Another point to make, now that Ive quoted it, is CKD wrote policy lynch himself not policy vote. But I feel Im arguing semantics here...
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Post Post #443 (isolation #37) » Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:07 am

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Why? I want to convince you Richard is a better lynch than your random Pom vote.
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Post Post #520 (isolation #38) » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:45 am

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Javert, you are possibly correct however I don't view the explanation as something that would warrant a policy lynch, that just sounds like a difference of opinion within a game. Maybe ckd could shed some light on that subject?

As for the person who asked about the 2 best and 2 worst, I am uneasy to do so for obvious reasons Richard is the most scummy in my eyes, Im fairly sure I said that bv was also a good wagon but not one I wish to join as of now as Im currently interested in what he has to say. MME's consistent promises is starting to get a bit wearing now. As for who's town, Id rather not say specifically but for the purposes of the exercise lets say anyone I havent mentioned in this paragraph I find townie to varying degrees.
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Post Post #636 (isolation #39) » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:55 am

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Javert wrote:
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Unvote: RichardGHP, Vote: Porochaz
. Porochaz, moreso than others, seems to be trying to ride this wagon out. I didn't really care for his original reason for voting RichardGHP, and he seems to just try to justify keeping his vote there in later posts.

Also, trying to shift my questions for him onto curiouskarmadog seems like an attempt to get me off of his back:
Porochaz, Post 520 wrote:Javert, you are possibly correct however I don't view the explanation as something that would warrant a policy lynch, that just sounds like a difference of opinion within a game. Maybe ckd could shed some light on that subject?
My questions for whether an objective person would think curiouskarmadog was making a policy vote has nothing to do with what curiouskarmadog was thinking. What matters is more what somebody in RichardGHP's shoes would think, since you voted on RichardGHP's reaction that he thought he was being policy voted.
Javiert, as far as I can remember, you didnt actually have a proper question for me. In regards to me "riding this wagon out" I have already told you why I cant post properly (just now Ive sneaked into my flatmates room and am using his laptop whilst he is out). I come in see yet another crap post by Richard and I post on it like I would with anything else that catches my eye that noone else posts on. If there was anything else that was worth commenting on I would. Don't get me wrong as soon as I am at my parents home I hope to summarise my case on Richard into one nice post instead of bits like I have been doing but whilst I am in my uni flat with no computer, it simply cannot be.

As far as Im aware you didnt have a specific question for me, at least not one I didnt answer already. Your suggestion here, about whether an objective person thought ckd was making a policy vote, I game my opinion on quite explicitly. But in the end your right, I couldn't give a crap about what happened in Mafia 107 between richard and ckd. Or whether in this game its a policy lynch or not. Because in the end, it doesnt matter. Richard overreacted either way and that was the initial basis of my vote.

If he had done something to make me feel otherwise or justified his actions properly or someone else had done something equally or more scummy I would have changed my vote. However the way Im seeing it, he justifies my vote every time he posts and Ill keep doing what Im doing now until my RL situation changes.
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Post Post #738 (isolation #40) » Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:07 pm

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Back and in this game properly tomorrow or Tuesday
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Post Post #785 (isolation #41) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:06 pm

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Hi, back properly today. Despite hating myself for it, Anon I think your right, however before I decide whether to change my vote at all I need a reread of the second half of this game. Which I will do in due course.
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Post Post #806 (isolation #42) » Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:29 am

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As the sites been a dick today, its going to have to wait till tomorrow/later on after a party (so if I do I will likely be drunk). Suffice to say I cant explicitly tell you who i think is scum without having reread. However previous reads emerge that Richard is top of the list, for a variety of reasons, bvs switch in views after the minimum of pressure was also highly suspect, MME is third as he is yet to make any meaningful post at all.
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Post Post #837 (isolation #43) » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:09 am

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I need to know what VI is, I have a feeling it references the player Vi but I have no idea and Im starting to get sick of it being used as a defence against both Richard and bv.

My top 4, bv, richard, espeonage and seraphim

I started reading from page 15 (roughly where my computer got taken away) and I immediately dislike Seraphims posts, I couldn't say why at the moment however I always got the feeling that he is never commiting himself and was quite flip floppy. Page 30 I was about to vote him straight off, Amisheds post didnt quite summate what Im feeling but went a good way towards it and Sera's terrible defence didnt do much to convince me otherwise.

Espeonage is similar particularly from approxamitely page 15 to 25ish, Oja's catch about him when she first replaced in was a good one and the fact I dont remember him posting for a long time now makes me wonder why hes suddenly gone off the radar.

Throughout the game, Richard has been terrible, I dont remember a good post made by him, myself and others have made posts against him and he hasnt helped himself at all with the periodic lurking and the failure to post something useful. However what Anon says is true in that there have been 7 people or so on the wagon for a while there has been no change and it has become stagnant. I dont like giving him another chance but he isnt a lynch candidate today so
unvote


Bv has made some terrible desisions in this game, not least the change of vote under the slightest of pressure, everytime he gets under pressure he disappears. He now wants replaced despite entering another game. A low move. There is a lack of anything in his posts if you take out the flip flopping over Richard, is posts are very pot/kettle/black when it comes down to ABR.

Suffice to say I plan to hammer tonight. Please put this down as a vote for bv if someone does it before me, I just want to make sure there is a last chance for people to say something.

I have reread the game as of page 15 now so if anyone has any specific questions on it I will answer but I will not be doing any PBPA or "posting my thoughts".
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Post Post #877 (isolation #44) » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:23 pm

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Was letting the convo play out, however bv was always going to be lynched...Pom does take place number 3 however. Behind Sera, Richard and equal with Esp.
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Post Post #885 (isolation #45) » Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:57 am

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Still want a Richard lynch but want an explanation from Pom.
vote Pom


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Post Post #983 (isolation #46) » Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:55 am

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What happens if you target scum in the strong mode?
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Post Post #1001 (isolation #47) » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:16 pm

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I agree,
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Post Post #1010 (isolation #48) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:40 am

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Jahudo wrote:I thought using strong mode too much could potentially hurt the player, but not everybody. I guess either is possible. Plus, what's the downside of her only using weak mode?
This, except although its mod WIFOM it would work on a points based system and that you needed to keep below a certain quota to not be "punished"
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Post Post #1034 (isolation #49) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:16 pm

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Sando wrote:
curiouskarmadog wrote:Need to catch up, I find it funny that Sando seems to have no clue why I am voting him…I haven’t posted that much in the game…is it that hard to figure out?
I just did an ISO of you, and using the 'ctrl-f' function, you literally haven't used my name today until you voted me.
Im not entirely sure what the case against you is. However I am interested in what your point is here?
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Post Post #1118 (isolation #50) » Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:27 am

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Will post something within the next 2 hours (or will at least be in thread about to post something)
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Post Post #1120 (isolation #51) » Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:46 am

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Fail, sister needed the computer. Looking over the pages since my last post now.
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Post Post #1121 (isolation #52) » Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:39 pm

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1.=Nick/Richard
3. Espeonage
4. ABR
5. Numerous

My opinion of Espeonage hasn't changed much, he is still spouting shit and is fairly anti town at best.

ABR has been relatively quiet most of day 1 and although he has improved in day 2 with more frequent posts its filled with crap about Pom, and how he doesnt need to speak until Pom is lynched and crazy hypothetical situations which dont really make much sense. There kind of situations which I would have thought ABR would have discounted being one of the top 4/5 experienced people here.

Richard is the person I want to vote for most. However I am still undecuded. I am sick of the VI reasoning behind not voting for him when he is inherrently scummy. Its not just the similar reasoning to esp and sera, it's the unjustified cocky attitude and what is now surmounting to parroting other players. Its not good.

Nicks the exact same and I am more inclined to vote for him because he already has people voting for him. More than that, unlike the Esp or Pom wagons there are people on the wagon that I actually think are town.

Sera asked a question whoch surmounted to "Do you believe Poms claim? Yes or No? None of this "wait a day BS" but then it doesn't work like that. I don't particularly believe Poms claim but I think waiting a day or two when we have a list of players we find scummy to be okay. That way we get more information if she's telling the truth. Pom shouldn't technically be on there because once she claimed I felt a distinct improvement in the posts. Suffice to say the claim wasn't great and therefore has to be at number 5 along with others I feel uneasy about like Seraphim (see my top 4 for day 1 and thequestion he asked above) and Sando, (not 100% sure why)

Its a choice between Nick and Richard. I think Richard edges it scumminess wise but Nick has the established wagon...
vote Richard
- going with the scummiest, will try fleshing this out more when I have a moment. Anyone who says "But Prozac... Richard is just the VI!" Will get a good hard smack and I will shart in your face. Whilst there is such a thing as a "VI" there is a difference between scummy behaviour and skitzer behaviour. Allowing the scumminess of Richard to pass off ass him being stupid is scummy in itself. Secondly, Pom shouldn't be lynched today. If she is telling the truth then we can get more info out of her if we keep her alive and I don't feel the case is strong enough to lynch her any more.
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #53) » Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:23 pm

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@Nick, 2 people actually, and your right but its people voting for you which is more than scumbag richard.

@ABR, I would be extremely disappointed in voting Pom today. I also think your attempts to derail some useful conversation happening when you have done absolutely fuck all interesting.
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Post Post #1137 (isolation #54) » Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:52 am

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NickF227 wrote:Actually, you would've noticed if you read the thread that Jahudo unvoted me and voted Pom....
Harsh, I have read the thread but please allow for the fact that I miss things on occasion. You are correct but even then he was voting for you and I would believe that its more the case on Pom than you being more townie.

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Richard, I know your not stupid. I'm saying that passing off your behaviour as stupid is not a good idea. Your inexperience makes it easy to do that where I genuinely think you have been scummy and the reason you haven't been lynched yet is this ridiculous "VI" ideology and that because you have acted scummy this whole game, whether your Mastin or Glork, you should be lynched.

Also its not a case, yet. I wouldn't expect people to vote on the basis of my last post. My last post was broad general strokes of a brush, like trying to paint the Mona Lisa with a paint roller. I plan to go further into detail in the next few days.

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Post Post #1169 (isolation #55) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:54 am

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Looks like Im getting my real laptop back tomorrow which is lucky cause this ones crap.

Keeping to my promise, I will be making that Richard case today/tomorrow if I can work out how my fat fingers can touch these uber small keys.

Everyone on the Pom wagon, I am trying to work out why you are still on it, ABR is just shouting the same thing over and over and over... and his initial reasoning was more than ridiculous whilst Sando is tying himself up in bullshit. Post 1155 being a good example. The plan is to eventually lynch Pom but just now seems stupid especially when you have the two main enforcers of the wagon posting worse than she is.
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Post Post #1192 (isolation #56) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:56 pm

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Ckds post 1186. hider is a well known role even if you havent played with it before.
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Post Post #1195 (isolation #57) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:31 pm

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To all players
What has ABR done within this game, yes he has made 85 posts, but lets take out the "lynch Pom, lulz" and "lookie here, this is who I think is scum" your left with at most 3/4 posts. No reasoning why, no case, just pure crap, we got onto him about it day 1, for not doing much but looking through it he hasnt done anything day 2, he has just sat back and shouted POM! LYNCH! every so often, whether much can be done beyond discuss whether we believe the claim or not is debatable but at least other players are discussing options rather than try and derail every attempt at discussion we have.

vote ABR


Oh and because I promised and because Ive started it now, Im going to post that Richard case up tomorrow. I don't know if I will have changed my mind by then but an ABR case seems like a better choice at this moment.
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Post Post #1211 (isolation #58) » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:39 pm

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It starts off with the whole policy lynch reaction. Post 1 brings the idea of a policy lynch, rather than ask the intent, he makes a statememt. Some people question him and in post 2 he answers with:
I've played with him before and he's under the impression that I'm terrible at the game.

Does it look random to you? He voted me 3 times for emphasis.
The fact is at this point we were in the random stage, and in the end a policy lynch needs to have a reason for it to be a policy, we didnt get this. I don't find it unusual that he voted 3 times. Its a good way of gauging someones reaction. Especially is ckds opinion of Richard isn't that good. His reaction was to overreact which doesn't look good.

The fact he then overreacts again in post 5 to a single vote furthers my suspicions against him.

Post 6-8 he gives up, as he's either newbie scum with too much pressure or its a plea to emotion. Either way its scummy as hell. If you dont want to be in the game you get replaced and you don't make a big deal with it. Everything he has posted thus far has been overreactionary and an appeal to emotion.

Post 9, he says hes not throwing a tantrum which effectively takes out the latter choice above. After a conversation with me, in post 13, he suggests that he is reaction testing. How is what he has done so far reaction testing? Anyway he dug himself a hole and it takes him a long time to get out of it.

The answer to Sando in the next post fails to impress either, he tries to reason why he was anxious by a single vote.
@Sando: Anon is correct in his assessment of me. I don't know if I'd call myself frustrated, but certainly something along those lines. Also, your vote makes no sense whatsoever. You're voting me based on overreacting to one (followed by a couple more) vote(s)? Now that's just plain stupid. Even though I was nowhere close to being lynched, a vote is still a vote and I have a right to be... anxious about it. If you had even bothered to meta me you'd know that over-reacting is commonplace for me anyway.
beyond the ... being a bit strange, and I totally disagree a single vote when it takes 11 to lynch does make me worried, especially when you think said vote is policy. A single vote doesn't mean anything in the long run especially early on. There was many other ways you could have dealt with it, such as addressing the vote with a calm response or even ignoring it. The way you reacted and appealed to emotion for the first part of the game is one of the bigger reasons I kept voting you. In this time you failed to do anything beyond emotion seeking. Something I find indicative of newbie scum trying to find a way out.

Post 16 he finally gives the results of his "Reaction testing". Whilst it was only 3 days and 4 posts away since he first mentioned it. However he only comments on a few of the people who responded. Which basically was:

- Faraday, post 128, being scum pushing for a mislynch and that people asking for a lynch should be lynched is horrible logic. Which doesn't make sense considering Faradays post 128 consists of:
Unvote Vote RichardGHP.

What? Why do you want to be lynched? (I've not read the last few pages, so brb, but anyone who's asking to be lynched SHOULD be lynched imo)
-Farside, post 130, apparently would give him a scum read except... er... doesn't. Why? and again the reasoning "its within the realms of probability for farside to post posts like these". What reasoning behind a vote?

- Sera's post 132 is the best though, strong pro town read after Seras magnificent post of:
Richard, why do you think we should lynch you?
The fact that Sera didn't vote apparently indicative of town and that scum would immediately give themselves away by hopping on for a quicklynch.

Then there was me and ckd, who didnt get a mention despite us questioning why (and voting him also). Then there is the fact that reaction testing doesnt really fit with Richards post 146.
Well part of my "tantrum" is reaction testing, and part of it is a little frustration. C'mon, you really can't empathise with being panicked and frustrated when 1 person votes you three times?
Iso post 17 complains about hypocrisy, apparently there were vote on him lurking? Really? But anyway that isnt my point. He then complains that when he does post he gets vote put on him because his logic is terrible. Which definetly did happen. However Im not really seeing the point. He got caught out on his "reaction testing" when it turned out to be a damp squib. So he has turned to the emotion card again:
MAKE UP YOUR GODDAMNED MINDS, PEOPLE!

I can't take the hypocrisy much longer.
Post 18 he remembers he has a "scum read" on Faraday and finally puts a vote on him. Interesting that didnt happen when he called Faraday scum in the first place. But here we get into the whole meta post. Im going to try linking this - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 45#2186545

Simply put as I said before,

- If you know your meta, then you can change it - argument voided.
- You dont really have a right to get angry over one post, you do have a right to explain your actions or if it doesn;t have a case behind it, ignore it or ask for more info. You did not do any of this. - argument voided.
- You may have been but the results of your "gambit" especially when you are already in the spotlight makes this extremely unlikely - argument voided.

19 - first part emotion seeking once again

second part he is asked why Faraday is scum but fails to produce any answer what so ever. Beyond "The way he voted me"

Post 21, he complains after Faraday says he is v/la which is a bit of a dick move. Out of nowhere he votes bv. He explains why in post 22. Which was "he's the next biggest wagon". Good reasoning...

He then disappears for a few days only popping up to comment on ckd being funny. Then making some idiotic post about how town replace out more than scum do.

Post 28, is ironic and not really apoint against him but I love that he start with the "mafia for beginners" talk then concludes that bobers is either a noob or frustrated. Continuing this post he answers the current case against him with essentially "No, thats wrong" and arguing semantics rather than the larger points made. I love this quote:
Again, you're not qualified to make that assessment. I WAS gambiting, and the reads WERE genuine. End of story, no longer up for discussion.
Somehow if we don't believe him, he is allowed to use capital letters then we MUST believe him. There is also a contradiction here:
So you'd rather I agreed with the case against me, self-voted and deprived town of one member?
which is a lot different from the "Lynch me" attitude earlier on.

Oh and as a reference to (Im sorry I realise this is difficult without the post in front of you) your point about posts 23 and 24 being close to each other.

Looking at 23:
I am prodded.

I'm just starting an intersemesterical break for two and a half weeks, so I'll be posting more over the coming weeks and game days.
and 24
Man. Really having trouble keeping up with this game for some reason. I need another game to go into night. -_-

Posting content tomorrow.


Good job on that one...

It should be pointed out as Im looking through bobers case there are some points I disagree with however his point about how in post 23/24 he promises content. Yet none in 25, none in 26...and none in 27...

Continuing on... (I want to move on from post 28) his defence on bobers case - which was in fairness not the best - "No, you are wrong... just cause..."

@Richard and only richard, Post 29 you say both town and scum have tactical and personal reasons why they lurk, can you give me an example for each of these situations?

Post 30 clear OMGUSing, he admits it, but its still what it is. The explanation in 31 is random and actually doesnt go any further than OMGUS.

Post 33, another random vote for bv.

Post 36, feels he has to justify voting a non-PR when really if he was going to justify anything, the reason for his vote would be a start.

Post 38 comes across as Day 2+ Mafia Errors in Jeeps Teels for finding Mafia http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... ding_Mafia in that it does sound like he is gloating here. http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... ding_Mafia

Post 40 brings back the ol' appeal to emotion card. Jahudo wonders why there was no reasoning, His reply basically gleans he only voted bv for self preservation and not because he was scummy. However you may notice in the article above, yet another point is voting without good reasoning and bussing partners when lynch is inevitable.

He then pushes Pom to claim who she has town reads on and claiming her role but does it in such a way that it reminds me of a creepy guy staring at an underage girl in a club.

Post 41 apparently solidifies his claim because of posts 1025 and 1027, post 1025 has absolutely nothing in it and 1027 whilst WIFOM (1026 is also a terrible post by Esp) she does have a small point.

Post 42 Mimics ABR, doesnt say anything, yet again he is another player who speaks lots but very little comes out.

Post 44, clasims he is inexperienced and mediocre. As ckd put it "congrats you get a pass for the whole game". It sounds so much like he thinks he should get a pass based on experienced and not on the content of the game.

Post 45, must have clarification from Jahudo about whether Jahudo would think him def. scum if Pom turned up town. Why the need for this clarification? What are you worried about?

So yeah this wasnt meant to be a PBPA but meh, it is what it is. Thats my case on Richard. In voting terms he is pretty much interchangable with ABR
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Post Post #1221 (isolation #59) » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:15 pm

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Ojanen wrote: Noting that Prozac thought the D1 content-lack case on ABR was shitty and that he was in line with his meta expectations of early Albert. D2 made a content-lack case on ABR as his top suspect. The Richard case doesn't really analyze the very relevant competing wagons aspect, which is a problem.
Sigh, mistake on the vote, albeit not a huge one. I should say that Pom is probably scum. However I wanted an extra day to sort that out plus there is no way in hell am I getting on the same wagon as ABR.

Both your points Ojanen in regards to me are fair. I assume that your Richard point is in regards to comparing with the bv wagon. I feel I touched on it in regard to Richard randomly voting on/off bv without an explanation and that that was always going to happen when one of them was definetly going to be lynched. In the end, the post was long enough with just the iso posts (I have uni revision to do after all!) and beyond saying what I did about Richards reaction there really wasnt much more to go in-depth about there.

As for ABR, he was fine yesterday when his posts were aimless. When he starts posting with a purpose but still retains the no content approach then that causes a problem. Especially when town go aimlessly along with him because he is being aggressive and using slightly bigger font.
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Post Post #1234 (isolation #60) » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:11 pm

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Bet thats the longest post ABR will make this game. And the most useful.
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Post Post #1237 (isolation #61) » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:18 pm

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My point.
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Post Post #1244 (isolation #62) » Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:41 pm

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Good Luck town.
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