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Post Post #13  (isolation #0)  » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:16 pm

Vote: porochaz

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Post Post #44  (isolation #1)  » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:05 am

I am happy with my vote. Echidnas are cuter.
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Post Post #62  (isolation #2)  » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:50 pm

Obviously Porochaz/Dybeck/Jahudo/Seraphim are all anteater scum.
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Post Post #66  (isolation #3)  » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:01 pm

Porochaz wrote:
Espeonage wrote:Obviously Porochaz/Dybeck/Jahudo/Seraphim are all anteater scum.


Your right

vote Porochaz


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Post Post #68  (isolation #4)  » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:03 pm

We already worked out you were scum.
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Post Post #70  (isolation #5)  » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:59 am

NickF227 wrote:
Pomegranate wrote:
NickF227 wrote:Hey-o.

Vote: Pomegranate

Pomegranates suck.


Lynch all Liars!

Unvote; Vote:NickF227.


Rikku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yuna


And Tifa beats them both. So put your vote on our confirmed scummy people. :D
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Post Post #72  (isolation #6)  » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:32 am

Pirates are too cool to be a lame scum.
Anteater on the other hand are all baddies.
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Post Post #74  (isolation #7)  » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:38 am

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Post Post #89  (isolation #8)  » Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:40 pm

Stop squabbling. We need to LaA.
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Post Post #91  (isolation #9)  » Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:45 pm

Ok fine. Unvote, Vote: curiouskarmadog
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Post Post #185  (isolation #10)  » Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:29 am

Unvote, Vote: Anon That scales as one of the very worst read throughs I have ever seen. Even on the site i first started playing on.
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Post Post #203  (isolation #11)  » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:10 pm

My Milked Eek wrote:Lurker hunting is easy to use as scum.
Richard pushing is also easy to use as scum.

I don't like either of these that are happening in this game. I'll take a look at the common factors in these two cases tomorrow. Got a test coming up tomorrow morning and I need some studying.


This post is full of win.
I wish it was still RVS so I could vote for the Aussie hater. And I see no reason to change my vote so it stays.
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Post Post #220  (isolation #12)  » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:39 pm

Anon wrote:I missed some questions,

Espeonage wrote:Unvote, Vote: Anon That scales as one of the very worst read throughs I have ever seen. Even on the site i first started playing on.

Even if this were true, why does it deserve a vote? Why do you think this was scummy?

faraday wrote:You need to read people in iso already to have a strong opinion? I thought you just read the thread.

Yeah, basically I read the thread quickly to get an idea of what wass going on. I took quick notes and to-do notes. One of them is finding what is stinking in the richard wagon.


Because it is scraping through without content. That isn't good.
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Post Post #222  (isolation #13)  » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:40 pm

Papa Zito is vig
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Post Post #229  (isolation #14)  » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:51 pm

Seraphim wrote:
Espeonage wrote:Papa Zito is vig
*face-palm*

:D
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Post Post #243  (isolation #15)  » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:12 pm

@ Anon: "wagon powers activate" is a stupid thing to say. We were finished with rvs.
@ bv: Don't take that seriously. It is impossible to get anything from what PZ said other than he has a FoS on Sando. 'twas a joke.
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Post Post #246  (isolation #16)  » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:23 pm

Ok Saying somt=ething stupid is a bit undescriptive. You said something that is a stupid thing to say when thying to place a vote. It makes your vote seem like it is based off a whim which is unacceptable anywhere other than RVS.
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Post Post #255  (isolation #17)  » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:31 pm

But why can't you come to a decision on your own over which of the three deserves your vote instead of just going for the one with the biggest wagon.

And no you're right. i'm actually reading instead.
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Post Post #262  (isolation #18)  » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:38 pm

Anon wrote:
Espeonage wrote:But why can't you come to a decision on your own over which of the three deserves your vote instead of just going for the one with the biggest wagon.

And no you're right. i'm actually reading instead.

No once again you are not reading:

In the same post:

Anon wrote:I cant decide which of the voters is the most scummy. All three have some bad flavor attached.

A more deep reread in iso will give me more light about these three.

So?


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Post Post #271  (isolation #19)  » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:55 pm

Anon. It is a simple chioce between a couple of people. There are better ways to choose other than jumping on the biggest wagon.
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Post Post #305  (isolation #20)  » Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:22 am

I will be looking over the case on bv but until then my vote shall stay put.
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Post Post #321  (isolation #21)  » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:27 pm

Unvote, Vote: bv
To many sus things here. I didn't even have a proper case on Anon. So, yeah.
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Post Post #334  (isolation #22)  » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:39 pm

Sando wrote:Seraphim/Farside, the flip-flopping, ok. But the vote under pressure being a scumtell? Why do I get the feeling that if there wasn't a vote that he'd be backing off the wagon and again, be accused of flip-flopping, another scumtell. This latest accusation seems like a catch-22.

Espeonage jumping on the popular wagon strikes me as opportunistic.

Richard seems to have gone from whiny, to angry, to angry with a bit of a plan, to a gambiting master... At least in his own mind.


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Post Post #394  (isolation #23)  » Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:25 pm

Ok i need to start paying attention to this game. i have been in lylo in another game and it has been hectic.
I admitted somewhere that my case on Anon wasn't the most solid of things around. That is why I backed off. I needed somewhere to put my vote. The fact that I agree with the case on bv doesn't make me scummy. I can understand how it looks like I just flopped on the wagon but I had nothing to add to the case other than my agreeance with it.
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Post Post #448  (isolation #24)  » Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:08 pm

picking up Prod. Sorry I have three assessments all due today and have been working on them. i will answer questions in about 8 hours when I have some free time. I hate tuesdays.
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Post Post #494  (isolation #25)  » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:35 pm

Ok I am back.
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Post Post #495  (isolation #26)  » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:37 pm

Ojanen wrote:@mod: requesting a prod on Espeonage.

And when you get here, Esp, please answer:
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Espeonage wrote:I admitted somewhere that my case on Anon wasn't the most solid of things around. That is why I backed off.

So why was Anon's post "one of the worst readthroughs you'd ever seen" again?

and
why was Anon's catchup the worst readthrough ever, while MME's post was full of win?

Also, I agree that Porochaz' reasoning on the Richard being scummy because he thought ckd conducting a policy vote on him (and was right about it!) was really really weak. Ckd said it was partial policy before Porochaz' vote, and obviously the situation came with some context from another game.


Ok. Anon had no good reasoning for going for which of the three he did other than one had more votes than the others.
I will have a look back at when I said that about MME
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Post Post #496  (isolation #27)  » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:39 pm

EBWOP: Because MME pointed out something that town really needed to hear at that point.
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Post Post #524  (isolation #28)  » Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:18 pm

Ojanen wrote:Esp, opinion on Richard?
bv, did you make a conscious decision to be more defined in your stances after you got wagoned?


His absence under pressure speaks to me that the case on him might hold a bit more water than it does on face value. However I am happy with my vote right now.
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Post Post #539  (isolation #29)  » Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:13 pm

Do you still want to ask me those questions?
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Post Post #541  (isolation #30)  » Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:21 pm

He was tunnelling and we were barely out of RVS.
What I had against Anon was how he said he had 3 suspects and went for the one with the most votes already on them.
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Post Post #543  (isolation #31)  » Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:29 pm

ABR isn't giving anything. He said he would come out Day 2 so I will wait for that before making a judgement.
Richard and bv i have already commented last page and through vote.
let me get back to you on the others. I will have to have a little read.
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Post Post #544  (isolation #32)  » Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:31 pm

EBWOP Nick has to post more. Much more.
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Post Post #569  (isolation #33)  » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:42 pm

How does ABR have 28 posts? He has posted nothing.
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Post Post #878  (isolation #34)  » Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:36 am

responding to prod b4 end of day.
Sorry i was away by the way. i stayed a few more days than expected at my friends farm.
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Post Post #907  (isolation #35)  » Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:15 pm

I agree with the lynch of Pom at the moment.
I have been away and am under suspicion so if you have questions ask them.
Pretty sure that boberz is town after reading through that part of day 1.

Anyways, Vote: Pom
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Post Post #914  (isolation #36)  » Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:05 pm

Seraphim wrote:Esp: why do you agree with the lynch of Pom? Why is boberz town? Also, you never did your analysis of the major wagons of the last day. You have been away quite a bit and have not contributed a lot to the game.


Pom is lurking in plain sight which unlike inactive lurking is a major scumtell. The rest of the case has already been stated but that hammer yesterday was pretty bad.

Boberz tried pretty hard to make the point he was trying to. At first I was suspicious but then I kinda saw his point even if he didn't state it well. Although the post he made right at the end after bv's claim is probably the worst post he has made unless I am misreading it.

The only other wagon of major note is the one on Richard and sadly he is most probably an unhelpful town. I didn't really ever see the case on him as all that strong when considering lother reasons for certain actions.
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Post Post #917  (isolation #37)  » Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:43 pm

Pomegranate wrote:
Espeonage wrote:Pom is lurking in plain sight which unlike inactive lurking is a major scumtell.


I would love to know how you feel that you are doing anything more than me, Espeonage. Yes, that was a question directed at you. You're jumping on a wagon without much of anything yourself. Ahh, hypocrasy at its best.


There is a difference between being away and active lurking.
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Post Post #919  (isolation #38)  » Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:49 pm

Your vote on me wasn't even about my lack of activity so I fail to see why you are arguing my point by trying to turn it on me.
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Post Post #992  (isolation #39)  » Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:33 pm

Seraphim wrote:Yeah, I don't buy the claim and want her lynched unless there's a definite way to prove her role.


^This is how I am feeling right now.
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Post Post #1023  (isolation #40)  » Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:46 pm

I see the case on Sando but I REALLY don't like Poms 'fake' claim.
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Post Post #1026  (isolation #41)  » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:23 pm

Because you are scummy. That is a scummy thing to claim. It is the kind of claim that buys you time and as farside says it is a really useful fakeclaim for a Godfather or any scum for that matter. The vig is gone so you are either going to be lynched. You can go around declaring that your buddies are town when you survive the night and it just too perfect.
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Post Post #1036  (isolation #42)  » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:27 pm

You hopped on the end of the wagons. Look at CKDs big post and look at yout location on the votecounts.
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Post Post #1067  (isolation #43)  » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:19 pm

I have never really settled into this game have I?
Ok I am happy with my vote. I don't think there is anyone else on the same level of scummy as Pom is at right now.

ABR raises a good point which only furthur cements my position on the matter.
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Post Post #1071  (isolation #44)  » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:24 pm

It does seem pretty buddying to clear someone ot very clear considering according to your role yor life was in danger.
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Post Post #1073  (isolation #45)  » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:33 pm

I have answerd all those points among my posts.
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Post Post #1111  (isolation #46)  » Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:09 am

FoS: Sando
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Post Post #1166  (isolation #47)  » Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:45 am

Trends are a natural part of mafia. Momentum is what drives discussion. BUT when we wait so long to lynch someone scummy we forget why they were scummy. Pom was always going to be the lynch today but because nobody has gotten off their asses to make this lynch happen we are losing it and letting Pom get away.
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Post Post #1198  (isolation #48)  » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:02 am

You know what ABR. I really wish you were right. I love playing as scum and haven't been since I started on this site. I am quite dissapointed to be perfectly honest.

Come tomorrow if you lynch me you will realise that you do have some good ideas but don't trust them all. Pom is scum. That much is obvious from her actions yesterday and tangled feet over her fakeclaim today. I on the other hand am not scum. If I were I definantly would have been more interested in this game. It is my worst tell. The more active I am the more likely I have a PR or am scum. And do you really think that if I were bussing that I would have rode this lynch out even when it was starting to head towards a derail.

btw porochaz is scum. i can feel it in my gut.
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Post Post #1200  (isolation #49)  » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:16 am

I have a question. What would be the average amount of scum we are dealing with here? This is by far the largest game I have ever been in and so I would like to have a ballpark amount.
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Post Post #1220  (isolation #50)  » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:53 pm

in b4 scum flip
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Post Post #1243  (isolation #51)  » Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:41 pm

hmmm
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Post Post #1247  (isolation #52)  » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:00 pm

Who was of the Porochaz = town opinion. It just seems like a strange choice of lynch. Especially with farside being confirmed town and all.
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Post Post #1301  (isolation #53)  » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:17 pm

I like case Seraphim made
Vote: Nick

Non-conventional yet still clearly shows how Nick's actions are scummy. I see the case and agree with it.
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Post Post #1312  (isolation #54)  » Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:28 am

Amished wrote:Yup. Esp is also scum, Nick is town.


You're wrong on both counts. Even if I were scum, how would that clear Nick?
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Post Post #1342  (isolation #55)  » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:28 pm

Prodded: Waiting for something to comment on.
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Post Post #1344  (isolation #56)  » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:54 pm

Ok. This game is boring.
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Post Post #1362  (isolation #57)  » Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:49 pm

Ok my longer explaination.

This game is getting boring. Something exciting needs to happen and then I might be a bit more active. My vote is where I think it should be and I will jump in to the discussion when i actually have something constructive to say.
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Post Post #1364  (isolation #58)  » Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:41 pm

I'm happy with the points made. The biggest thing that makes me agree with it is that scum are preoccupied with appearing town. All those points I agree can be seen as scumtells and thus are all the more solid thanks to their, for want of a better word, weirdness. Scum overlook that type of thing in their play. Those kind of slips are better evidence than conventional scumtells imo.
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Post Post #1382  (isolation #59)  » Sat May 01, 2010 7:59 pm

In light of 1376 I really feel like hammering. Sando claim please.
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Post Post #1389  (isolation #60)  » Sat May 01, 2010 10:22 pm

Second to last vote on a wagon is in theory meant to be the scummiest. If you look at that votecount with the idea of sando as scum it makes sense as seemingly perfect bus. People have accepted the wagon and have given it support so you jump on just before the hammer so everyone is thinking about mr hammer over the night and not paying attention to your L-2 bus.
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Post Post #1401  (isolation #61)  » Sun May 02, 2010 7:18 pm

I was making the point that my little addition to the case was just the little bit of icing on the ckae. He already has a strong case on him.
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Post Post #1417  (isolation #62)  » Sun May 02, 2010 9:17 pm

My head hurts.
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Post Post #1418  (isolation #63)  » Sun May 02, 2010 9:18 pm

fuck it
Hammer time.
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Post Post #1459  (isolation #64)  » Wed May 05, 2010 11:29 pm

I like the tell ON TOP of the case.
@ Javert: The second to last tell is really the thing that set me off. Using the tell I gave is only really useful when you are looking at finding the last piece of evidence that puts you on the road of wanting the lynch and being suspicious. I know that isn't what you want me to say but that is how it is.
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Post Post #1460  (isolation #65)  » Wed May 05, 2010 11:31 pm

Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'm sorry. I lied again. It's like a compulsive thing now.

I am in fact the scum. You got me guys. My master plan in bussing my partner Sando was to pull the doc protect so I could target Richard with impunity last night. With Richard (aka Austin Powers) out of the picture, there is nothing the world can do to stop me. HAHAHA


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Post Post #1489  (isolation #66)  » Thu May 06, 2010 7:57 pm

Ok how is ABR not scum?
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Post Post #1491  (isolation #67)  » Thu May 06, 2010 8:04 pm

Ok he claimed scum while seeming dead serious. How is that not a confession?
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Post Post #1494  (isolation #68)  » Thu May 06, 2010 9:05 pm

Some part of everyone always wants to share their secrets. Jokes are usually the way this gets done especially when they don't really want others to know the truth. They are just getting the idea out and therefore appeasing the little subconscious voice telling them to share their secrets.

ABR is scum, end of story.
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Post Post #1497  (isolation #69)  » Thu May 06, 2010 10:58 pm

curiouskarmadog wrote:
Espeonage wrote:Some part of everyone always wants to share their secrets. Jokes are usually the way this gets done especially when they don't really want others to know the truth. They are just getting the idea out and therefore appeasing the little subconscious voice telling them to share their secrets.



wow, really?


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Post Post #1509  (isolation #70)  » Sun May 09, 2010 12:17 am

NickF227 wrote:
Seraphim wrote:Hey, Nick, why the sudden 180 on ABR? I totally expected you to be hitting him hard today after the backtrack.


IMO, Espy has a stronger case against her, and no one really wants to vote ABR, for whatever reason.


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Post Post #1536  (isolation #71)  » Mon May 10, 2010 8:34 pm

Gah. There is nothing I feel like i have anything to add my opinion to. I am happy with my vote.
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Post Post #1538  (isolation #72)  » Mon May 10, 2010 9:11 pm

ABR for his fake countewrclaim then calling himself scum gambit.
Nick for the reasons i voted him yesterday.

In this game I am fairly useless. But honestly why do you guys keep me around when you find me scummy and non pro-town? In most of my other games I'm not. I suppose I am only just coming out of my newbie shell. It just so happened that I started this game while still a noob. Got myself in a position where I'm not into the game and have other games that are alot more interesting than this one.
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Post Post #1543  (isolation #73)  » Tue May 11, 2010 2:08 am

NickF227 wrote:So I'm scum even though I've never lynched a townie, was a counterwagon at one point, and I've been targeted by scummier people?

K.


You do realise that at this point in the game your first point is probably not a good thing.
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Post Post #1568  (isolation #74)  » Tue May 11, 2010 7:43 pm

Unvote I need to do some thinking.
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Post Post #1574  (isolation #75)  » Tue May 11, 2010 8:02 pm

Sorry I missed that post. I have a tendancy to continue with the same play style throughout games. Once I start a game I will for the most part play that game through with the same mind set. The longer I play with that playstyle the harder it is for me to change that. Usually the way that RVS pans out will shape the way I play the whole game.

Take one of my finished games where I was the only non-american in the game. I had a different timezone to everyone and the game started while I was asleep. The game was almost out of RVS by the time I made my first post and for the whole game I played as an outsider. Contrast that with a game where I was the white horse of the town and you start to see how eratic my play is between games but stoic once in a game.

I don't want to replace out and that is why I just Unvoted. I want to take some time to mull over what has gone on and actually think about my vote instead of paying closer attention to my other games. Give me a few hours or so and I will come back and vote.
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Post Post #1575  (isolation #76)  » Tue May 11, 2010 8:02 pm

EBWOP major ninja'd
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Post Post #1580  (isolation #77)  » Tue May 11, 2010 8:17 pm

A noobish one where I felt intimidated by the size and names in this game.

I was playing agaist the mod of my first game. Of course I was going to get stage fright.
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Post Post #1617  (isolation #78)  » Fri May 14, 2010 4:38 am

I wasn't woting because at the time I had no idea where my head was at.

Anyway the last few posts have convinced me.

Vote: Seraphim I found myself not really agreeing too much with his 1607. The last bit looks like a major bus to me. Saying he has suspicion and a case without actually putting his vote down. Just to add to the mass of points in his casefile.
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Post Post #1619  (isolation #79)  » Fri May 14, 2010 6:58 am

Sorry. I checked the vote count not your post.

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Post Post #1643  (isolation #80)  » Sun May 16, 2010 7:02 pm

There are stronger cases out there. If you guys really thought I was scum for those points early in the game that you brought up I would be dead by now. Go on one of the wagons with a better case or find someone that you can make a better case against. I don't equal a good lynch.
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Post Post #1645  (isolation #81)  » Sun May 16, 2010 7:28 pm

VT
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Post Post #1648  (isolation #82)  » Sun May 16, 2010 8:10 pm

1. I consider my vote and unvote on Anon to have been good reasoning.
2. There was one point in MME's post that was a good bit.
3. I saw no reason to stop voting for bv. Turned out a was right to keep my vote there.
4. There was a case on Sando already. I looked for something I could add. You're bringing up stuff I did day 1. Am I not allowed to bring up stuff from a few days ago?
5. Why do I need to scumhunt when the other members of the town get in before I can and already have the cases built on people I too think of as scummy. Why should I have to make a completely new case when there is a case on the person I want to vote for. I have tried to add stuff to the wagons I have joined. Point 4 is me doing exactly that.

I don't see how my case is holding water tbh.
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Post Post #1667  (isolation #83)  » Mon May 17, 2010 8:54 pm

In response to CKDs question. Yes my role PM differed slightly in the last sentance.
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Post Post #1669  (isolation #84)  » Mon May 17, 2010 9:07 pm

confirming.
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Post Post #1690  (isolation #85)  » Tue May 18, 2010 7:57 pm

Mo town was the first game I ever played semi-decently. I actually found that my opinion was valued for once because I wasn't as intimidated by the number of players or by the player group as a whole.

You will notice that I have steadily become more and more vocal in this game as the number of players has dropped. Argueing that that is because of the pressure on me isn't really applicable because I have been under scrutiny the whole game pretty much.

I guess I am happier playing in games with less players. I don't take notes when I play because I normally retain less that way. (I have a weird brain) But there gets a point when there are too many players to keep in your head at once.

Basically what I am saying is that I don't really see much difference in my play there as apposed to here.
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Post Post #1697  (isolation #86)  » Tue May 18, 2010 9:46 pm

I played pretty crap at the start but I'm loosening up now that there are fewer people to focus on.
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Post Post #1758  (isolation #87)  » Thu May 20, 2010 7:45 pm

Seraphim and/or Nick
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Post Post #1789  (isolation #88)  » Mon May 24, 2010 3:06 am

I'm back. This game is very slow now.
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Post Post #1819  (isolation #89)  » Mon May 24, 2010 8:49 pm

This whole thing with the role PM stuff is WIFOM. I believe ckd in his claim and I read Sera's question as a rolefish so that he has better knowledge for when he would have to claim VT. No sure if anyone else sees that but that is what I saw.
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Post Post #1856  (isolation #90)  » Tue May 25, 2010 7:46 pm

Today is deadline guyz
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Post Post #1863  (isolation #91)  » Tue May 25, 2010 11:37 pm

in b4 scum flip.
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Post Post #1879  (isolation #92)  » Sun May 30, 2010 2:48 am

Vote: Nick
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Post Post #1882  (isolation #93)  » Sun May 30, 2010 6:57 am

Hey just because I thought he was scum doesn't mean I am going to discount other people that could be scum. What does it matter anyway? Seraphim was town.
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Post Post #1896  (isolation #94)  » Mon May 31, 2010 7:29 pm

Faraday wrote:I did, I think if anything here there's less scumhunting here than there. I mean this game has been longer, and he's been around more so I'd certainly expect more from him. I am admittedly only going off memory of the previous game but despite him being 'scummy' I think he did enough to be able to be read as newb town by me, here I don't get that at all. It's pretty much the opposite.

Yeah, my suspicions are generally based on the things he's said/done 'in the moment' I guess. His just lack of utter desire to do pretty much fucking anything, I mean his day 1 play isn't exactly stellar or anything so it's not like I'm ignoring shining moments of townieness.

Dybeck seems content to pretty much sit with his vote on me every day. I mean if he thinks I'm scum for 3 days straight surely he should be doing more to push the lynch.


As for a quicklynch on Espeonage, it's pretty obvious that won't happen but at the same time I'm not going to wait to vote for him just because he's claimed vanilla. My vote isn't intended to pressure, it's intended to help get him lynched.


I just a had look back on that game. You certainly look alot more tense and aggresive in this game.
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Post Post #1909  (isolation #95)  » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:31 pm

My mind at the moment. I have 4 town reads and there are a couple of neutrals and the rest hold the scum.
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Post Post #1925  (isolation #96)  » Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:41 am

Everyone turns up evidence through scumhunting Mr. ABR but not everyone turns stuff up that cement them as town. CKD is town done. I am willing to hear more about your other two though.
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Post Post #1941  (isolation #97)  » Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:13 am

In a range he is on the scummy side due to meta from a game I played with him. (He already brought it up as a point against me but it incriminates him to a point as well) I'm on the fence with his case though.
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Post Post #1950  (isolation #98)  » Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:59 pm

Unvote, Vote: Jahudo
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Post Post #1954  (isolation #99)  » Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:55 am

What other explaination do you require? A vote is a vote. Unlike alot of people that play Mafia I like to play innocent until proven guilty. I am free to agree with someone on the chance that they turn out to be town. This doesn't mean I don't think the slot isn't scummy, it just means I like the case.

Somewhere between not see and not care.
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Post Post #1992  (isolation #100)  » Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:03 am

Question: Would a hider die if they hid with a third party role?
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Post Post #2011  (isolation #101)  » Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:30 pm

Just got prodded. I'm still here. There just isn't much to say.
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Post Post #2014  (isolation #102)  » Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:29 pm

Nah I'm cool dybeck atm. More claims than neccessary can't be good.
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Post Post #2017  (isolation #103)  » Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:12 pm

Bob. I know why you would be sceptical. Vanilla townie goes with whatever name we got given. Still explains the role.
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Post Post #2036  (isolation #104)  » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:49 am

OMGDS
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Post Post #2040  (isolation #105)  » Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:45 am

UNVOTE: Unvote
VOTE: Nick
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Post Post #2041  (isolation #106)  » Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:46 am

ebwop
first time I used those tags.
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Post Post #2052  (isolation #107)  » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:07 am

If I could eat porridge I would take that over stew. OH YEAH.

Also ckd is town unless is a bad scum. Dybeck could be scum though.
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Post Post #2056  (isolation #108)  » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:24 am

Unvote
Need to get my head right.
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Post Post #2062  (isolation #109)  » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:18 pm

I'm lost.
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Post Post #2113  (isolation #110)  » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:15 am

waiting...
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Post Post #2124  (isolation #111)  » Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:12 pm

V/LA for 48 hoursish
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Post Post #2144  (isolation #112)  » Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:50 am

Nick claim now.
Dybeck full claim straight after. Also just to clarify, full means full. Town needs info because there is WAY to much frikin wifom floating around it isn't funny anymore. ABR post some reasons as well. You may like being a bitch but this is ridiculous even by my standards. I'm going to do an iso of farside in the near future there has to be a reason she wasn't killed.

At the moment I can see Dybeck and Nick being siblings.
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Post Post #2157  (isolation #113)  » Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:38 pm

Albert B. Rampage wrote:
curiouskarmadog wrote:ABR, your thoughts on dybeck?

Bob, where was Nick's first post with a claim?


The only reason I'm not voting him is because he's the only person who's claimed investigative powers.


Why is that a bad point. Not trying to second guess the mod here but most games have some sort of investigative role.
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Post Post #2182  (isolation #114)  » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:12 am

Question. Do you get any alignment information or is it just vanilla or non-vanilla?
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Post Post #2199  (isolation #115)  » Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:11 am

WARNING: Set-up WIFOM post. Sue me.

Ok lets look at this reasonably. No counter invesigative role has come up except for the Hider. ABR has claimed his claim was fake. If he lied about it being a fake claim he really needs to voice it. Now, Looking at the size of the game it would make sense that there would be some other form of investigative role in the game. Also look at the amount of non powered roles have been outed so far. This indicates that there can't be that many scum powers and the remaining towns should have one or maybe two power roles. All things considered game balance-wise Dybeck's claim makes perfect sense.
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Post Post #2202  (isolation #116)  » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:57 am

Leaning towards Jahudo. This is going to be an imortant and long day though.
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Post Post #2243  (isolation #117)  » Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:28 pm

Back. I have stuff to catch up on first. Sorry Mod. I thought a message in my sig would be enough.
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Post Post #2245  (isolation #118)  » Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:45 am

VOTE: Jahudo
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Post Post #2249  (isolation #119)  » Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:29 pm

If someone can provide perfectly clear and legitimate evidence as to why Dybeck's claim doesn't make perfect sense with the setup information we currently have, then let them share it. If not then the hammer will not be coming from me.
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Post Post #2251  (isolation #120)  » Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:11 am

I made a post a few pages as to why it makes sense for town to have a role similar to that. I can accept that it would also make sense as a scum role though.
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Post Post #2267  (isolation #121)  » Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:02 pm

i think that was because i was lookinh like the one least likely to jump on his wagon. idk.
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Post Post #2274  (isolation #122)  » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:11 am

UNVOTE: Jahudo
VOTE: ABR
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Post Post #2277  (isolation #123)  » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:37 pm

Going back to the Sando lynch ABRs fake counterclaim has been bugging me all game but it has never been at the fore front of my thoughts. Your vote on him gave me a bit more confidance that I might be right in my suspicion.

Is it not a very good buss when you counterclaimed your scumbuddy to get them lynched. It almost becomes WIFOM of who would ever do that as scum, but it fits perfectly. Also a bit of LaL in that to.
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Post Post #2279  (isolation #124)  » Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:03 am

He knew it would be a long game. Also knew he could get away with it because noone else was counterclaiming Sando. It just makes sense to me. All bar one game my gut has been accurate late game. Now is not a great time to stop trusting it now. Of couse that is a flimsy case but eh. It'll do to be going on with. Town needs a new angle because to be honest, discussion is kinda licking.
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Post Post #2281  (isolation #125)  » Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:18 am

^ Look at Poms lynch. There was precedent there that the lynch could still have happened. And Pom's claim wouldn't have been the hardest role to prove itself either.
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Post Post #2291  (isolation #126)  » Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:12 am

does it really matter at this point? Deadline is really close so we need to decide. Dybeck or no. If no then who and we need to do it now so that once Faraday is caught up we can end this day.
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Post Post #2294  (isolation #127)  » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:29 am

my spidey snece is telling me tomorrow will actually be fun.
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Post Post #2300  (isolation #128)  » Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:28 pm

BAH, Go Town.
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Post Post #2412  (isolation #129)  » Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:33 pm

I really wish I had started this game better.
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