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richard, you really were panicked that I voted you 3 times in the RVS stage?
here is my problem with richard....he is just a bad player...or maybe not bad, but inexperienced. You can read that game we were in, by the end of it I was wanting to pull my hair out. here is the problem part of the problem..he was town. I would love to read a game where he was scum. currently he is throwing a tantrum. I just dont see scum doing that. that being said...richard is so "new" richardscum might.
at any rate
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now what is with this wagon on my dear farside?
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dont know...have not seen him in this type of situation before (only played one game with him)...he did get a day 1 wagon on him in that game, but that was because his play was scummy. a claim from him saved him in the long run.farside22 wrote:
I thought faraday was scum in both pyp games. Wouldn't you know one game he was scum.curiouskarmadog wrote: also, why does faraday always seem like scum to me....am i an avatar racist?
CKD: Would you say this is typical reaction from richard? I have a current game I'm thinking of right now and he has flipped town but idk it's like either he's not paying attention to what's going on all over or he's paranoid and I equate paranoid to scum.
are you afraid of me ABR?Albert B. Rampage wrote:
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Whoa…a couple pages I need to catch up..from fucking page 8?...sorry if this turns into a wall of words.
Similiar yes...exact no. Similiar in regards that he says something that he thinks sounds like someone who should be scum hunting would say. Even though it doesnt make any sense and is logically flawed. If you read the whole game, I was constantly (even in the QT neighbors thread) doubting that he was town. I couldnt believe anyone would actually believe some of the shit he was saying. As it turns out, I still dont believe he believed the shit he was saying, he was just saying it to look town. Example in this game....the bullshit about testing reactions...I dont believe for a minute he was testing reactions....but I think he has said it because he thinks that is what someone who is protown would/should say. also if I have money, I bet once you press him for backtrack (like I did in the other game) his anti-town ass will stop answering questions.Faraday wrote:CKD you played the game, do you feel his play is similar at all (apart from perhaps being maybe not very good, but that's irrelevant)
By the end of the other game, many (to include myself) wrote him off as being the VI. if he wasnt mostly confirmed in that game, he would have been dead a long time ago.
For this game....his actions are a null tell. I think he would make perfect vig strike. (yes, consider that directing the vig, bitches). Unless of course, the Gods hate my ass and he is the vig, then please sir, end my torment.
looking forward to hearing your thoughts after.farside22 wrote: I still need to read the game that is done with CKD/Rich.
saying something is "easy to use as scum" is easy to use as scum. (I understand in hypocrisy of my statement).My Milked Eek wrote:Lurker hunting is easy to use as scum.
Richard pushing is also easy to use as scum.
qftPapa Zito wrote:FoS: All lurker apologists
I've lynched too many lurkerscum in my time to quit now.
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Updating from page 12 (fyi) most likely the majority of my meater posts are going to come on the weekends.
did you read the whole game, or just the Day 1 wagon?farside22 wrote:Okay I did an iso on Richard in the game that CKD brought up.
I understand both sides of the the lurker conversation. That being said, i know exactly where PZ is coming from. I have been beaten by scumlurkers far to often as of late. So if I am ever to get into a position where I am not getting a read on anyone...my vote will be on a lurker.Papa Zito wrote:I was beaten by goddamn Empking by letting him lurk and not policy lynching his ass early. I'm not letting that happen again.
Like Sera’s post in 294, reading BV’s post in order is interesting.
I am confused by this post then.Anon wrote:
I dont plan to get reactions on people when I ask questions. I evaluate the answers I get. Right now, farside is giving me mixed vibes. Ive seen her doing this with magnus in an ongoing game where they are both dead and town but Ive also seen her doing this as scum with Yosarian in the game I mentioned. Im also prob biased by omgus. What do you think of her?ckd wrote:reading the Anon/farside arguement. tempted to vote Anon, on a vibe. anon what kind of reaction were you trying to get form farside? What reaction would you have deemed scummy? town? How did she fair? Also, why post that you were going to stop posting(ie logging off)? Why not just log off?
Was your plan to get reactions or not? Not sure about farside, it has been awhile since we have played together…jury is still out day 1.Anon wrote:
Look, farside, Im asking questions and pushing you to get reactions from you.?
I also would like to know this and why he didnt comment on your earlier post.Seraphim wrote:bv, what do you think of the case I've made on you? Can you explain your waffling?
uhhhh? Sera prodded you to this vote? Would you have voted him if Sera had not prodded?bv310 wrote:As of right now, yes.
Unvote, Vote: RichardGHP
lol, Sera, i like the way you thinkSeraphim wrote:So, if you thought Richard was scum previous to this, why didn't you vote him?
going to flake?..if so replace out now.RichardGHP wrote:
I can't take the hypocrisy much longer.
I liked you till this post. Are you saying that over reacting is scummy? Little back story...I tend to get real angry when I play this game, and am constantly labeled "Overreacting scum", by scum...keep that in mind when you answer the question.Sando wrote:Espeonage, you're the 4th on BV I believe.
Richard:
You get voted, over-react
You get voted again, over-react again.
You get voted yet again, you get angry, go into hiding
You get called out for hiding, you come out and claim it was a gambit
I didn't attack the fact that you provided content, but what the content was.
And no, you're still not scumhunting.
this is bullshit...I almost want to replace out on principle...you going to cheat this game? Any Alts here yours that we need to know about?Patrick wrote:CryMeARiver replaces DocPotter, with the understanding that he's busy until Sunday.
LOL, yeah this...I was in that game.Pomegranate wrote:@Mod: This was posted in the Ban Announcement Thread on the 28th of February:
So I don't think that he can replace in for a few more days.mith wrote:CryMeARiver and MrCrowley are banned from signing up for Mafia games for a month.
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So much smoke and whistles from Farside and Anon, yet they are voting the same person. I don’t like Esp or Pom’s vote. Never seen ABR this useless. There are a ton of lurkers….so much to go on.
I think Richard is a bad wagon…I think Richard is a bad player and again I reinstate he make perfect Vig foder.
I don’t like BV’s play or reaction type vote
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sooooo, is this a lie or?Anon wrote:
As I said, I dont plan to get reactions from people. If somehow they show up because I unconsciously pressed a button, then cool, more information is always useful. I dont plan it, first, because its hard to do, and second because answers are easy to evaluate.ckd wrote:Was your plan to get reactions or not?
one anon says "I dont plan to get reactions" the other says "Im asking questions to get reactions"Anon wrote: Both. Pushing for reactions its easy to fake.
Look, farside, Im asking questions and pushing you to get reactions from you. Does that mean Im town? Should I think you are town for doing the same thing?
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Ok updating from page 16…if this gets too long, I will stop and finish up tomorrow morning.
Typing as reading.
yeah give it some time, you WILL see where I am coming from.Ojanen wrote:
On Richard:
So I was totally on Richard's side at first. Ckd totally comes on as doing a policy hounding thing.
would like to see if Oj comments on this. (edit: he does in 401, but it was a rather bland comment. Am I to assume you didn’t mention BV upon entering the game because you felt Esp was by far scummier?)Seraphim wrote:
@Ojanen: I may have missed it, but you haven't commented on bv310's play at all. What do you think of it? Do you think the wagon on him is justified?
I guess this is an ok, answer. Chalk up to misunderstanding? My meta? Always seems to come up in games..(shrug), I got my Title for a reason. that being said, when I play as scum, I play like I am trying to find scum (ie SK, third parties, etc)...to my knowledge, I play "aggressive" either way. I dont feel like I have been aggressive in this game at all (yet)...the fact that I can only really post on the weekends might be hurting that...at any rate, take from that what you will. I tend to be quite aggressive, especially when getting angry, which I also do easily in these games.Anon wrote:
I stand by my explanation on my last post.ckd wrote:uhhhhh....please explain or prepare to be voted.
I understand where your confusion is coming from. If you read my second quote in context, Im repeating what farside says in 261, "pushing for reactions" and explaining her that it wasnt the towntell she was thinking of since I was kinda doing the same thing yet she kept (keeps?) thinking I was scum. I didnt plan to get reactions from her but I guess I pressed a button that made her go rage mode against me.
In regards to gauge your reaction, I sincerely think you are looking too much into it. Im still evaluating what does this mean in terms of alignment and the slight town read I have on you for other reasons. Would you say you have an agressive defined meta as a townie?
oh interesting point, can you please point to me where your case is on anyone? (edit, sera calls him out for this in 406, and dybeck avoids in 407)dybeck wrote:Is anyone else NOT seeing the case on bv310 here? It seems to be built upon fairy dust, sticky tape, and opportunism to me.
I think that Esp is scummy...but i dont like the vote...dybeck..can you please explin to me the case on Esp?dybeck wrote:Actually, now you mention it, I like it marginally more than an ABR wagon.
unvote, vote: Espeonage
just for the record, richard has no clue what tunneling means...if you read the other game (thoroughly) you will see me arguing with Richard about it...of course, you will find me arguing with richard about a lot of things.farside22 wrote:
I'm trying to understand what you mean by downplaying CKD.
He is being obsessed. He's obviously bothered to note that CKD voted for him 3 times and admitted to tunneling. I took CKD's comments more as a joke but to me it looked like it got to Richard. Why should someone voting for a player 3 times in 4 pages bother anyone?
@all, For the record..my vote(s) in the beginning of the game from richard was 15% random and 95% policy/he pisses me off vote. Does that make me scummy? Does my math scare you? was I tunneling on page 3?
why do I feel like I just read 3-4 posts of specific questions for you? You skimming the game?bv310 wrote:Does anybody have any specific questions for me while I'm here? I'm bored as all hell in this class.
what lynch am I pushing? please provide post (with number) and what page it was on...then provide who i am currently voting and why.bv310 wrote:Mostly for reasons that have already been stated re: Richard and Esp. ABR just smells scummy to me based on the sheer lack of contribution and jumping on wagons. I feel like CKD could be scum pushing a mislynch under the guise of a policy lynch, and Farside is for the reason stated.
As for three of four, I don't feel that both CKD and Richard are scum. If they are, then they win the record for quickest bussing in a game.
are you backtracking your statement? when exactly did I back off? what have I specifically said about richards lynch?bv310 wrote:Farside, he switched to a different wagon right when the one he started was gaining steam. It just seems like he's engineering the lynch, then backing off so he's not on it if it ends up being a mislynch.
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Page 22 and beyond..again reading while typing.
If Sera is scum, he needs an award.
"tunneling in RVS?" Fucking really?Espeonage wrote:He was tunnelling and we were barely out of RVS.
What I had against Anon was how he said he had 3 suspects and went for the one with the most votes already on them.
this is a lame post....can anyone explain why (hint: I can think of 3 reasons). Also it has nothing to do with his current vote.Papa Zito wrote: I'm inherently suspicious of the <20 post crowd.
you have been in this game for awhile. I have changed my vote a LONG time ago...why on page 24 are you asking this now?Jahudo wrote: @CKD: Now that we knew you just think Richard is a bad player and best left to a vig or replacement, what was the purpose of partially calling for a policy lynch at the start of the day?
When did you change your mind in how to deal with him? Do you think its possible to separate Richard's bad play from scummy play?
I think it is obvious when I changed my mind. Richard is a bad player. even though I won the game that we were both town in, I felt he still REALLY hurt our chances. It was a random vote in the since that it was fucking day 1 and I had nothing to go on....I picked him (not so random) because of our history....so when I said part random part policy...I fucking meant part random part policy....I changed my mind when a.) I found someone I deemed scummy in this game and b.) when the wagon started on Richard for little to know reason.
Also I have never seen Richard as scum, so I cant answer.
this to include ABRfarside22 wrote:
At this point they are both useless. .Albert B. Rampage wrote:Unvote, vote bv
Completely useless and I rather he get lynched than Richard.
love comments like this.boberz wrote:I am not (edit scum) guys. And if I was ........
hey, arent you suppose to be provided some content right now? Seems like you are keeping up with the game fine.RichardGHP wrote:ckd doesn't care about being funny.
huh, I think I agree with statement....to make the net a little smaller...Anon wrote:boberz scream confused town trying to explain something he truly believed and failing in the attempt. stop wasting time with him.
The scumz lie between these guys:
bv, espeonage, nick, faraday, prob dybeck, and prob sando.
I say BV, Nick, dybeck, MAYBE sando.
if I had money...I would bet on 2 scum (or scum variant) are bouncing around these 4
shit, like to throw Jahudo (gots the vibe, yo) in that pile too under MAYBE….guess I didn’t make the net smaller.
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RichardGHP wrote:Just got a wall of text done for other game yesterday, so I'll be doing this one today.
you better have more than two fucking cents coming.RichardGHP wrote:
Like he is going to claim scum.curiouskarmadog wrote:
cool, of course this means that MME is scum.Patrick wrote:Amished replaces My Milked Eek. Srsly.
I think every time Amished replaces into a game that I am in..he is replacing scum...Amished..does this still hold true?
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I will, but you dont have any thoughts?Javert wrote:
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Please fill in your own blanks.curiouskarmadog, Post 677 wrote:
this is a lame post....can anyone explain why (hint: I can think of 3 reasons). Also it has nothing to do with his current vote.Papa Zito wrote: I'm inherently suspicious of the <20 post crowd.
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oh and add Jahudo.curiouskarmadog wrote:
interesting, I agree with this list from ABR...I agree with Pom, Esp, and Bob on this list...I think Sera is town. Richard, is just the VI..catching up, then I will probably be voting Pom.Albert B. Rampage wrote:My scumlist:
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oh and add Jahudo.curiouskarmadog wrote:
interesting, I agree with this list from ABR...I agree with Pom, Esp, and Bob on this list...I think Sera is town. Richard, is just the VI..catching up, then I will probably be voting Pom.Albert B. Rampage wrote:My scumlist:
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His post 11Papa Zito wrote:Agree.
unvote: Anon
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Though Anon's participation will be monitored carefully.
Then he said it again. (13)Papa Zito wrote:If I were a vig, I'd shoot Sando.
14Papa Zito wrote:If I were a vig, I'd shoot Sando.
15Papa Zito wrote:
Now why would he do that?
unvote: DocPotter
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If I were a vig, I'd shoot Sando.Papa Zito wrote:
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If I were a vig, I'd shoot Sando.Papa Zito wrote:Pom is screaming scum to me from the top of her lungs.
Well, anyone could have thought PZ was the vig. I don’t think that he was offed because he was the vig. As scum, if I can pin point a vig I would keep him around, especially if he is barking up the wrong tree in the game. A vig with a bad scumdar, is an asset to scum. The fact that he was offed, makes me think he was working the right tree. At the end, he was really pointing a finger at Pom..though I don’t think I would rule out Sando.Papa Zito wrote:"Pom, as of this moment, your the scummiest person on MS." ~Papa Zito
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I agree somewhat...but if she is telling the truth, a.) she will be offed..b.) it will provide a ton of information.Seraphim wrote:
There seems to be absolutely no point to this role besides "confirming" town which is strangely convenient.Pomegranate wrote:K, rechecked my Role PM.
Weak Mode:
-I die if the person I hide with is targeted with a kill.
-I die if I hide with scum. This therefore confirms farside, because I hid with her last night.
-I die if I'm targeted with a kill.
Not to mention Hider is a favorite scum fakeclaim.
Can someone lynch this lying scum?
That being said, the “hider” part of that role doesn’t make any since in weak mode….
farside, can you tell me why this isnt a good idea? Using a claim hider to test for scum.farside22 wrote:She could hide behind one of 4 people we think are scummy. She dies and they don't boom we have instant scum.
That's if you believe her claim. I'm sitting on the fence on it. She never responded to my post with my reason's either which bothers me as well.
you are assuming a lot here....Faraday wrote: What if she was to go into strong mode - and we have her hide behind someone. Under the assumption she's not scum the scum can't kill her as her role could be re-directed to one of them. Rit? That's assuming I understand her role correct.
did you crumb this in any way?Pomegranate wrote:
I hid behind you because I had a town read on you, and I didn't want to hide with scum.farside22 wrote:
Why did you "hide" behind me? So the only down fall if you are weak is if your targeted you will die?
I am fine with getting more information....scum wont want to let a hider who can confirm townies alive very long. I am not for her telling us who she hides behind before she does it..most likely pom, this is just an extension on a lynch....for you to contirubte to the game. I am fine with postponing your lynch for a few days to let you prove your worth and maybe actually get some decent info. But your information is useless until we know your alignment.
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Unvote, vote Sando.
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the more I think about it....the more I still think Pom is scum...and the claim is fake....back and forth on it....
I dont know if I can swallow the claim, but I know I dont like those (farside faraday) trying to dicate how she uses her role before she uses it. I think she needs to use it how she deems fit. She will have to answer for those decisions.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE- curiouskarmadog
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Need to catch up, I find it funny that Sando seems to have no clue why I am voting him…I haven’t posted that much in the game…is it that hard to figure out?
Also, going to go back and figure out what happened between the following VCs.
04/04 10:25am
AndPatrick wrote:Votecount
RichardGHP (6) -- Porochaz, Faraday, bv310, NickF227, Pomegranate, boberz
bv310 (7) -- Papa Zito, Seraphim, Espeonage, farside22, curiouskarmadog, RichardGHP, Albert B. Rampage
Espeonage (1) -- Ojanen
dybeck (1) -- Sando
NickF227 (2) -- Jahudo, Anon
Porochaz (1) -- Javert
Seraphim (1) -- Amished
boberz (1) -- dybeck
Not voting: Nobody
20 alive, 11 to lynch.
Deadline: April 8th, 11 pm GMT.
04/04 8:36 PM
Patrick wrote:Votecount
RichardGHP (7) -- Porochaz, Faraday, bv310, NickF227, Pomegranate, boberz, Albert B. Rampage
bv310 (6) -- Papa Zito, Seraphim, Espeonage, farside22, curiouskarmadog, RichardGHP
Espeonage (1) -- Ojanen
dybeck (1) -- Sando
NickF227 (2) -- Jahudo, Anon
Porochaz (1) -- Javert
Seraphim (1) -- Amished
boberz (1) -- dybeck
Not voting: Nobody
20 alive, 11 to lynch.
Deadline: April 8th, 11 pm GMT.
ALSO.
04/06 11:48 am
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RichardGHP (7) -- Porochaz, Faraday, bv310, NickF227, Pomegranate, boberz, Sando
bv310 (5) -- Papa Zito, Seraphim, Espeonage, curiouskarmadog, Anon
Espeonage (1) -- Ojanen
Seraphim (1) -- Javert
boberz (2) -- dybeck, RichardGHP
Pomegranate (4) -- farside22, Albert B. Rampage, Jahudo, Amished
Not voting: Nobody
20 alive, 11 to lynch.
Deadline: April 8th, 11 pm GMT.
04/06 6:44pm
I think some answers can be found in here.Patrick wrote:Votecount
RichardGHP (4) -- Porochaz, Faraday, bv310, Pomegranate
bv310 (10) -- Papa Zito, Seraphim, Espeonage, curiouskarmadog, Anon, RichardGHP, NickF227, boberz, farside22, Sando
Seraphim (1) -- Javert
boberz (1) -- dybeck
Pomegranate (4) -- Albert B. Rampage, Jahudo, Amished, Ojanen
Not voting: Nobody
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wasnt that much to catch up on.
ABR, what BS are you talking about?Albert B. Rampage wrote:O.K. I've reached my bullshit threshold.
Unvote, vote Pom
also, just looking at the surface of those vote counts I just posted, without looking in them deeper (which I plan on doing)...i note that ABR, your vote was the one that tipped the scale between BV to Richard...thoughts?- curiouskarmadog
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then I dont think you really iso-ed me then...just because I didnt type your name out doesnt mean I didnt quote something you said and then say "I liked you before this statement"....Sando wrote:
I just did an ISO of you, and using the 'ctrl-f' function, you literally haven't used my name today until you voted me.curiouskarmadog wrote:Need to catch up, I find it funny that Sando seems to have no clue why I am voting him…I haven’t posted that much in the game…is it that hard to figure out?
at any rate, lets go down that bullshit hole...lets say I didnt say ANYTHING about your before voting you......
...so? What is your point? I cant find you scummy whenever I want? I have to build up to it?
If you read my post when I voted you, you should know why I am voting you...I dont think you are really reading the game (ie following closely to scum hunt).....on top of that, I dont like some of the crap your pushing (overreacting is scummy)..- curiouskarmadog
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If she is telling the truth, then she is sort of a weak cop....scum wont let her stay around....but if she can confirm people she can be an asset to us. I agree I would like to see her lynched, especially after her play yesterday....but I am suggesting we let her live another day or two. Lynch her later....they only way her information will be helpful is IF she is dead (or completely confirmed)..when she dies I want 2-3 people to be confirmed....Seraphim wrote:I see what you're talking about, CKD, but I still think that Pom is the better lynch today. I see no benefit to keeping her alive besides a shitton of WIFOM and no one has convinced me otherwise.
if people (faraday) argue that "well, if she hides behind scum and dies we get no information"...then maybe you shouldnt be on her wagon to begin with...if you want her to die, why cant you let that happen versus lynching her? Why is that even an arguement? It is not....if it truely is an arguement someone is using..they really dont think she is lying (or worse they know she is telling the truth.)
Faraday you mentioned the game that I claimed hider as scum...it bought me sometime...but you were able to tell I was lying with my bad results..and I was lynched (being the last scum). what if I had been telling the truth and wasnt the last scum....I would have been an asset finding that last scum.- curiouskarmadog
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hoping to post on Friday..
things to do:
1.) explain why Sando is a better wagon...(say Sando, any reason you are pulling the quote with the people I found scummy, but not addressing my post where PZ said "if he was a vig he would off you numerous times?"....ahhhh, maybe that is because PZ has been killed you and want that to go away? Is there ANY reason you keep saying that you are reading me in ISO when you arent? Now, I have mentioned why I felt you were scummy twice (before voting you), I havent posted that much, so if you read me in ISO like you are claiming..it shouldnt be hard to find. Also you never answered the question.."so what?"
1.b) explain to Sando why I am voting him because he has a problem reading. (will give you a hint...my post 10 my post 29)....
2.) Explain to javert why PZ's post about "those who dont post very much are suspect" was a bad post...(though it is moot now, but I understand why he wants it).
3.) Review what happened between previous quoted votes counts.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE- curiouskarmadog
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lets say she is telling the truth..and we postpone her lynch in two days..Seraphim wrote:I see what you're talking about, CKD, but I still think that Pom is the better lynch today. I see no benefit to keeping her alive besides a shitton of WIFOM and no one has convinced me otherwise.
lets says she has hid behind 2 additional people and lived
lets says after her lynch, we discover she was in fact a hider and telling the truth.
that gives us a total of 3 additional confirmed people.
I am not saying, I dont want to lynch her...I am saying I want to wait.
if she is a hider..the only way her information will be any good to us is if she dies at one point or is without a doubt confirmed. also, I am sure that there are roles out there, that might be able to see if she is telling the truth...why not let them do their job?
but to off a potential asset, is a bad idea.
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well shit, putting together my post for tomorrow...thought that if I compared the below vote count (the count where richard passed BV for the lynch leader) to the current (see above) that it would be obvious the scum is pushing the Pom lynch
with the exception of ABR, no one that was on this VC that pushed the richard lynch head of bv for yesterday's lynch. Also another strike against Pom is the fact that he was on the Richard lynch over the BV lynch...now this is just speculation, because Rich could be scum as well (but I doubt it)...but I thought I should put this out there as well, since a VC was just posted.Patrick wrote:Votecount
RichardGHP (7) -- Porochaz, Faraday, bv310, NickF227, Pomegranate, boberz, Albert B. Rampage
bv310 (6) -- Papa Zito, Seraphim, Espeonage, farside22, curiouskarmadog, RichardGHP
Espeonage (1) -- Ojanen
dybeck (1) -- Sando
NickF227 (2) -- Jahudo, Anon
Porochaz (1) -- Javert
Seraphim (1) -- Amished
boberz (1) -- dybeck
Not voting: Nobody
20 alive, 11 to lynch.
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also jahudo, I saw the post...think it was fluff....in so many of my games I have been lynched or close to lynched because I "over react", am "over defensive", or "too aggressive"...later, I find that it was scum, really pushing those arguements.....
...though it should be noted, I have seen town push the arguement as well....but I REALLy have seen scum lean on the arguement and base entire cases around it. it rubs me wrong EVERYTIME I see it.- curiouskarmadog
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Too much to do and little time…think I have enough to update (from page 42)
LOL, hard for me? You are the ass hat screaming that I havent said anything about you when you read me ISO...however, it is GLARINGLY obvious you have not read me in ISO...why lie? Again, I hadnt posted that much at the time of you supposed ISO read, how could you have missed it if you really were trying to read me?Sando wrote:Glad you could finally actually point out where you found me scummy. That wasn't so hard, was it.
I have no clue what you are talking about? How do you know when which kill goes through? This is a defense for what exactly?Sando wrote: So I killed a vig to stop him killing me? Yeah that achieves a lot if I were scum, the kill totally wouldn't go through anyway... The entire premise of your argument is faulty.
When scum push a wagon on a town screaming they are scummy, do they really think they are scummy? No...I dont believe you really think over-reacting is scummy..you have a game you can link where you pushed over reaction as scummy I can see? If you can, I will retract my vote and most of my suspicion...I would put most of my money on you cant provide said link.Sando wrote: So thinking over-reacting is scummy, is scummy. Yeah righto. I told you at the time I thought you were wrong, still do. I'm not going to answer it again, we simply disagree, if you think my scumhunting is scummy in this regard, nothing I can do about it.
You have been scummy in my eyes since the "over reaction is scummy" BS. But when I found those PZ posts, that is what did it for me. Pom was scummer, but after the claim, you were next in line.Sando wrote:What made you change from <100 posts ago where I wasn't one of your top 5 suspects btw?
Pom, have you answered this question yet?curiouskarmadog wrote:no time for a big post.....Pom, when did you decide you were going to hide behind farside?
really? This is a silly question....what I think you want to ask (if you are really trying to scum hunt) is why hide to begin with? I think she answered it before, something along the lines of "I was afraid of a vig kill"..the better question yet is Pom, why were you afraid of a vig kill? Do you deem your Day 1 play scummy? Why or why not?Sando wrote:Why would you hide behind someone you think is obviously pro-town? You're apparently completely unafraid of a scum kill?
Yeah, but you said you don’t see ANY benefits leaving her alive. Is she the only person you think is scum right now? You can bet your ass if we end up lynching her today and she flips town, I am bringing up this little thread of conversation here. Again, I am not saying we don’t lynch her…even if she is town, we need to lynch her later, to get confirmed people. Sera, answer this…if she is a town hider, what would scum be trying to do today at this point in reference to her?Seraphim wrote:
There are benefits, certainly, but I think the benefits we get from lynching scum are much greater especially when it turns out that she is, in fact, scum and all we're left with is her "results" aka scum WIFOM.CKD wrote:I had a town read on you, but dont understand why you dont see a benefit to [keeping Pom alive].
You cant really believe this line of shit? You must be a newbie or trying to stretch really hard to justify your vote.Anon wrote:
Pometown would know she is a town power role. She knows power roles are important to the town. Why would she wait to L-1 to claim?
are you reading the game?dybeck wrote:
Am I the only one thinking like this?
ABR, Richard...who else is scum? and why?RichardGHP wrote:Albert B. Rampage wrote:I really have nothing to say until we lynch Pom.
I dont know....for me, this question can not be answer with a black and white yes or no.Seraphim wrote:I have a question that I want everyone to answer: do you think Pom is lying about her claim? I don't want to hear "maybe"s or "let's wait a night"s, I want to hear what everyone's black and white opinion is.
you are so anti-town, you have to be town.Albert B. Rampage wrote:There's nothing more to talk about. Lynch please.- curiouskarmadog
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Sando(and ABR to some extent)...just curious...am I scum?
if you lynch Pom and she flips town...am I (more likely) scum?
if you lynch Pom and he flips scum....am I (more likely) scum?
as it looks like Pom will be hanging today..>I would like these answers today, versus tomorrow.
I have seen hiders hide behind people they felt were town...however, when I was a town hider in the passed I did breadcrumb where I went...however, she has stated that she is new to role...so I can understand it....I have two problems with the claim...1.) I have seen that claim from scum (me being one who has done it as scum) and 2.) using the ability (strong or likewise) on Night 1....I would have save it up if using the strong power repeated has it's drawback...she explains that she felt a vig was going to off her,,,(shrug).
I dont believe the claim..but on the off chance she is telling the truth, I feel like the information she could provide will be important.
I keep saying that over and over again....but it doesnt seem to be sinking it. going to quit saying it...said my peace.- curiouskarmadog
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noted both sando and ABR scoot around the question....
big difference, you are voting her.Sando wrote:
You do realise that I agree with 90% of what you're saying about Pom right? I simply assume that since you so enjoyed accusing me of not reading the thread that you at least knew my position on this.
just curious who else you think is scum, and why lynching Pom today over anyone else you think is scum is so important.
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ABR, I missed (or forgot) who you said you thought was scummy 13/14 pages ago…why not just tell me them again? Opinions change…why not answer the question to secure your stance?
Also, my opinion has not changed (in reference to pom)…if on the off chance she is not lying…her information will be important. However, if she says something like I thought she just said, my opinion will change...do not bully me...my vote will go where I want it to...you think if I vote Pom, everyone will magically forget how adamant I have been most of the day about not lynching her?
also, do you think I am scum?...a yes or no, will be fine.
I am not misrepping anything..I asked you if you thought I was scum...the first question had nothing to do with Pom...the last two did though..and you answered them (sort of)....I wanted to know who you thought was scum...you answered that in the above post..fine.Sando wrote:
I would now you misrepping scum. Accusing me of dodging the question?! You asked if I'd find you more scummy based on Pom's flip either way, and whether the exchange to that point made you scummier in my eyes, and I quite clearly said 'Nope' and then explained why. Claiming that I dodged the question is a complete lie.curiouskarmadog wrote:noted both sando and ABR scoot around the question....
big difference, you are voting her.Sando wrote:
You do realise that I agree with 90% of what you're saying about Pom right? I simply assume that since you so enjoyed accusing me of not reading the thread that you at least knew my position on this.
just curious who else you think is scum, and why lynching Pom today over anyone else you think is scum is so important.
what if you could lynch me today...would you do that instead?
Yes, I'm voting her, and have stated why. Espeonage is scummy, I was pushing that wagon, it never got going. I went after Dybeck, that never got going. Are you actually reading the game?
finally I wanted to know WHY you felt Pom had to die today over whoever else you felt was scummy...you didnt answer that question either, until the above post...so who really is misrepping who?
Javert…
Papa Zito wrote: I'm inherently suspicious of the <20 post crowd.
this was a bad post because of the multi factors that go into a post count. For example, i was under 20, but some of my post were larger than all of another's post combined. And ABR was over the 20, but was posting one liner bullshit. I felt that posts like that are a lame attempt to look like you are doing something pro-town or a way to provide a lame reason why not to suspect others. ...it bothered me...however, (if I remember correctly) his vote was elsewhere (on someone who was about 20) so that didnt get under my skin as much (and another reason why I didnt followup). If he had been pushing something based on that crap...then it would have been more of an issue.
I am all for lynching lurkers, but a post like that throws a bad light on people who posted under some arbitrary number and not focusing on an individual’s lurking.....just didnt like it.- curiouskarmadog
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OMFGSando wrote:
Why must you persist with the lies? Here's my post where I voted Pom and my latest vote:CKD wrote:finally I wanted to know WHY you felt Pom had to die today over whoever else you felt was scummy...you didnt answer that question either, until the above post...so who really is misrepping who?
Seems pretty freaking obvious why I'm voting her.Sando wrote:Are you really this silly? A townie hider has to fear 2 things, being scumkilled and being vigged, and has to consider that anyone they hide behind will be scum-killed or vig-killed. I'm asking why Pom would be worried about a vig kill and hide behind someone she didn't think likely to get vigged, yet not worry about that person getting scum-killed.
I think it was a slip from Pom, and made me believe the claim even less. I think it's scum-thinking in terms of who they would hide behind.
Unvote, Vote: Pom
The claim seems to be basically utter BS. Nothing about it convinces me, quite the opposite in fact. I don't see the harm in leaving her alive, but no real scum-hunting seems likely while she is alive, so I guess that it's pretty pointless to leave her alive.
Sando am i asking why you are voting pom?
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