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If the games are over, can you provide links?RichardGHP wrote:
I've played with him before and he's under the impression that I'm terrible at the game.Seraphim wrote:
What makes you say this might be a policy lynch?RichardGHP wrote:
If this is some kind of attemp at a Policy Lynch, please stop.curiouskarmadog wrote:vote richard
have I done this yet?
is it too early to say I am tunneling?
Does it look random to you? He voted me 3 times for emphasis.- Jahudo
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"Paging Doctor Potter to the game thread... Paging Doctor Potter to the game thread."
Ongoing game is ongoing. So i'm not going to look at it.RichardGHP wrote:Mafia 107. Link in my sig.
But why tell him to stop? do you think CKD is scum going for an easy wagon; do you think he is misguided; something else?- Jahudo
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How does someone misrep a gambit? The point of a gambit is that noone knows your gambiting, isn't it?RichardGHP wrote:No, you guys have it all wrong. I'm not throwing a tanrum at all. Way to misrep.
unvote;cause active lurking and already having a vote on him.
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FoS: DocPottercause active lurking, but not having a vote on him.- Jahudo
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The part about Richard that bothers me is him saying this was somehow part of his plan. It could be backtracking, but I want to hear him out fully before I judge. Right now I am not convinced any of this is scummy behavior.
Are you known for lurking, or being called a lurker?bv310 wrote:Also, yes I realize the irony of me calling someone a lurker.- Jahudo
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@bv310, what changed in Richard after your ISO read, to help you get a better read on him? Talk about what you think a newbie playing scum looks like? What specific things do they try to do / not do as opposed to a newbie playing town.
@Richard: do you consider yourself a newbie? explain when you decided to test for reactions, and what you learned from that exercise.
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DocPotter, come on down! You're the next contestant on "Lurkers need to Post!"
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@Seraphim: How is my DocPotter suspicion invalid? I also don't see how I'm focusing solely on lurkers. I thought I was waiting for Richard's defense.
And I still want Richard to explain his gambit more. It would be scummy if he retroactively decided he was acting up for reactions, just to get pressure off him instead of going the town route and moving forward with town play.
bv310, have you seen anything in Zito's game to make you wonder if he was a vig? It doesn't feel like rolefishing to me if the original player is initiating the speculation that way. Espe's post is fluff though.bv310 wrote:
Holy rolefishing, Batman!Espeonage wrote:Papa Zito is vig
Seriously, what possible benefit is there to announcing it? If he is, then now he's been outed. If he isn't, then odds are he'll be NK'd and we lose a valuable townie.- Jahudo
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I understand the argument that pushing Richard or lurkers is an easy way out for scum right now, but each can be valid cases for this early day 1 stage when cases aren't always big or full of confidence. The idea is to make a mountain out of a molehill and see if it leads to more suspicious behavior. Anyone trying to stop it from occurring at all looks anti-town to me... but not necessarily scum and definitely not defending richard/lurkers.
No one looks scum right now for stopping a thread of discussion, but they are anti-town for giving Richard and the lurkers an easy out from answering questions--even if its on small points that might not lead anywhere.- Jahudo
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So you used something similar. What's the difference between everyone seeing "If I was a vig", and someone saying "hey look at that thing he said".bv310 wrote:I only saw that one thing, which was how I breadcrumbed vig in a different game (offsite). That's why I was worried when someone flat called him it.
Jahudo, I'm pretty sure he just made up the reaction fishing thing afterwards.
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I still think Richard needs to explain his reactions plan; when he started it and why, and what he got from it.
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I don't agree with any Anon suspicion out there. It looks more like he's defending his own opinion on a tell rather than defending Richard. I disagree with his opinion, but that does not make him scummy.
And there's only been one flip-flop from bv right? He first said Richard looked like newbie town, then after a re-read he said leaning scum. I don't recall him going back to town after that?
Um, what's the difference between how Richard responded and how Seraphim responded? Just because Seraphim was already voting you does not mean he would have held his vote in post 132. It looks like both players gave you the same amount of pressure while asking you to explain yourself.RichardGHP wrote:Faraday in Post 128 comes off as scum pushing for a mislynch, as the only reason he stated for voting me was the fact that I apparantly wanted to be lynched. Everyone asking to be lynched should be lynched is horrible logic too.
Finally, Seraphim in Post 132 gives me a strong pro-town read, since scum would be more likely to use the fact that I wanted to be lynched as an excuse for a quickwagon. The fact that Seraphim takes the time to question my view tells me that he's town.- Jahudo
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Richard's vote on Faraday is a start in the right direction, but he still doesn't look like scumhunting townie.
What do you want it to be? Do you not have suspicions on people yet?ABR wrote:Mafia ain't what it used to be.
I don't think this is an accurate description, besides the question on why Richard left his vote on farside when he revealed his reactions.NickF227 wrote:I think his vote for farside after him saying that he thinks a town farside would post like that is a bit weird.- Jahudo
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I like the focus on Espeonage, mainly for the point that his Anon and MME reads look contradictory. And possibly that he's backing away from his pressure on Anon by saying he wasn't that serious. It looked serious to me.
Espeonage, what do you mean you didn't have a proper case on Anon? Wasn't your reasoning "[Anon's post] is scraping through without content"?
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I don't think ABR looks scummy; just that he doesn't have strong reads and he's being honest by playing open to suspicions of self-preservation and hiding reads. I'd think scum would want to be more discreet if they're using that strategy.
But I do like Anon's post 403 about Nick. Those stances do look weak, but he doesn't say how confident he is in them. So maybe he voted on the large wagon despite having an indecisive read on Richard.
@Nick: If you're keeping your vote on Richard, can you elaborate on the things you mentioned? Why is the vote on farside weird? Was his voting after being under pressure a strong or weak tell for him being town or scum?
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@Richard: Can you respond to post 326?
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Who says that argument is never used by pro-town players?bv310 wrote:I wasn't discounting him as scum, I just don't see any scumminess in his posts. It's funny though, that argument of "He didn't say scum, so he must be scum!" is almost never used by pro-town players.
I don't think you've really explained why you found Papa Zito town enough not to consider it a possibility. You specifically asked someone else for "possible benefits", so did you also assume that they (or the town in general) would not need to consider a Papa Zito scum as a possibility?
Or was your question merely rhetorical? In which case, why ask it? Were you using it to start a suspicion on Esperonage?- Jahudo
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@Nick: respond to post 421.
Still waiting on richard response... still waiting on esperonage response... waiting on bv response.
I'm not against a bv lynch at this time. There's a valid case that's good for a day 1 lynch, but I think its weaker overall than Richard who does not look like a VI.
I don't see Pom as scummy right now, but then again I have a hard time reading Pom.
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I thought he was still in V/LA mode, though maybe that's almost over?farside wrote:MME is flying hard under the radar and I'm surprised those calling out lurkers are not saying boo about MME.
My Anon and DP votes were for pressure, which didn't really work. But I was investigating Richard at the same time and building a case, so its not like my vote came out of nowhere.farside wrote:Jahudo pst 308: all those comments about lurkers and now you switch to richard after many pages later? WTF?- Jahudo
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Richard is still scummy until he comes back and can defend the case on him, but Nick has just risen to my number 2 suspect.
No, no its not. His farside vote was in the random vote stage, in post 42. His flop saying farside looked town after his reaction test was in post 309. So I'll ask again, why the vote on farside weird?NickF227 wrote:
Well, I think its pretty clear. Saying that farside looks town in one post and then voting for her in the next post is pretty....well, do I really need to explain this? Its self-explanatory.Jahudo wrote:
@Nick: If you're keeping your vote on Richard, can you elaborate on the things you mentioned? Why is the vote on farside weird? Was his voting after being under pressure a strong or weak tell for him being town or scum?
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Its more because he's active right now and I want to hear his defense on something I find confusing and possibly scummy. I still think Richard's done some scummy stuff, but he's stopped defending the case against him. If/when he comes back, I'll continue to try and get him to answer my questions.boberz wrote:I sense the Nick wagon feels bad. It just seems players are moving to it when thye run out of ideas. Maybe I am wrong and I am not saying those players a scummy because of it. I just dont see why it is emerging yet.- Jahudo
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The replacements have a legitimate reason to not have 20 posts yet. I knew Nick and MME were being lurky, but the CKD post count surprised me the most. I thought he was alot more active.Papa Zito wrote:Activity check
@CKD: Now that we knew you just think Richard is a bad player and best left to a vig or replacement, what was the purpose of partially calling for a policy lynch at the start of the day?
When did you change your mind in how to deal with him? Do you think its possible to separate Richard's bad play from scummy play?- Jahudo
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Nick: Post 519 is calling your name. Please respond.
Also Nick: Are Richard and ABR your only two suspects right now?
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@Richard: are you still defending the case against you? what are you feeling right now about your situation?
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@dybeck: why do you think Esperonage is scum? Is it the same reasons Ojanen posted? What do you think of his defense?
I think the Esperonage wagon needs more attention, though I still like my Nick spot better. My take:
What exactly did he point out that the town needed to hear? I don't see anything he said, where he was the first one to say it. I also still think Anon said it before him, on the Richard part. So you're two reads looks conflicted.Espy wrote:EBWOP: Because MME pointed out something that town really needed to hear at that point.
That wasn't the reason you gave the first time. You said Anon was scraping through without content, as in fluff posting. Not tunneling and jumping on the opportunistic wagon.Espy wrote:He was tunnelling and we were barely out of RVS.
What I had against Anon was how he said he had 3 suspects and went for the one with the most votes already on them.- Jahudo
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@boberz:
Jack's not in this game. Who are you talking about?boberz wrote:I want to see more from Jack because I dont understand what he has been doing.
@Papa Zito, Seraphim, Espeonage, farside22, curiouskarmadog
Can you show examples of what BV's "scum slip and fakeclaim" posts would look like if they got the same information across but were made by town? (The posts are where he doesn't consider the possibility of PZ as town, and where he says he's a magnet for VT roles.) I currently feel that these two posts are more about him having trouble getting his meaning across than they are slips and fakeclaims. So I believe his defense and don't see the rationale for a BV lynch.
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RICHARD NO LONGER A SUSPECT:
I no longer find Richard suspicious. My main point was I thought his gambit was fake, based on his reaction analysis. Looking at it again I can see his perspective of finding Seraphim and Faraday's reactions as different. I can see how he saw Faraday as looking to vote first and possibly not even ask questions, whereas Seraphim was voting and trying to get Richard's defense before signing off on a lynch.
His lurking doesn't look like a scum tell in his situation. I think it makes more sense that his V/LA was real.
His OMGUS on boberz is not helpful, but that also means he's not pushing BV's wagon to save himself. So he doesn't look opportunistic now.
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NEW POMEGRANATE CASE:
1) She hasn't expanded any of her suspicions since page 14, which was the last time she called someone scummy or said she'd vote for them:
These are based on about one point per person. I think it would be easier for scum to give stances earlier in the game, when its okay to only have minor points build up your case. Her inactivity (a valid non-tell) is not an excuse for not developing any reads with all this new information.Pom back on page 14 wrote:Willing to vote for: BV, Richard, or Espeonage. After that, Anon.
2) She's been asking questions but not giving analysis after the questions have been answered. She hasn't given follow-ups or pursued any leads on recent events. The little questions and comments look like a way for her to stay pro-active without ever finding anything. Examples of this are:
* Post 426 she asks ABR why he initially said he'd be up for any lynch but his, which he changes when he specifically wants to vote BV. Her question doesn't explain her opinion on him, and she has dropped that issue since then.
* Post 566 she asks Javert if his unvoting of Richard means he no longer finds Richard scummy. Again after her question is responded to, she drop the inquiry without giving an opinion on whether or not she found Javert's actions suspicious.
* Post 567 she asks Zito why he speculated BV might be town, when he was voting for BV.
Without Point #1, I wouldn't have a problem with Point #2 because I could believe she was letting go of dead end inquiries in favor of the good ones she was still pursuing. But Point #1 is about her not having any ongoing cases. She's been sitting on small, stale tells without finding anything new.
Which becomes a good scum strategy for day 1 because we're nearing deadline and she can safely push either Richard or BV without having had to make a case for them over the course of the day.
The scums: [Nick, Espy, Pom]
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Does scum-BW mean scum-driven bandwagon?Sando wrote:This is getting absolutely ridiculous. Enough people are basically saying that Richard is an obvious scum-BW and trying to derail the wagon based on this, that if we follow the logic, if we lynch Richard now and find out his alignment 100%, then we basically have the game in the bag. Why do I doubt any of those are willing to actually put their money where their mouth is?
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How would a townie write these posts?
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Holy rolefishing, Batman!Espeonage wrote:Papa Zito is vig
Seriously, what possible benefit is there to announcing it? If he is, then now he's been outed. If he isn't, then odds are he'll be NK'd and we lose a valuable townie.
@Porochaz: Amished replaced MME.bv310 wrote:I don't have one to show you, Faraday. I seem to be a magnet for VT roles.- Jahudo
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Well first I have a town read on him, so the question is whether I think his play makes sense as a VT and I think it does.Papa Zito wrote:Why do you believe the claim, Jahudo?
Takes his flip-flopping on Richard. I think town power roles would be more decisive in that situation, at least not changing a read in back-to-back posts. Since PRs aren't as expendable as VTs, I think they'd play more cautiously than BV has.
Also regarding his threat to replace out, followed by an /in at another game starting next week: I read it as genuinely being overwhelmed with mafiascum-type commitments, and not something town or scum would be more likely to do.- Jahudo
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Are you guys asking me these questions because you have doubts about BV being scum? I'd like to know who is still considering a different lynch. There's still time to try a different lynch and fall back on BV if its not possible if 4-5 people can be online a few hours before deadline hits in 24 hours.
Its a null tell for me based on his lack of appeal to emotion throughout the game. That makes me think he's not the kind of player to replace out for being under pressure, so his busyness sounds genuine.farside22 wrote:Wait, wait, wait. he threated to replace out and in'ed to another game and you find this a null tell? How is this a person that is overwhelmed?
He initially thought we weren't close to deadline, which matches the excuse that he only needs a week at most away from distractions. A new game starting up is low-priority the first week, so I see nothing wrong with him replacing in when he doesn't have time to play.
That's a reasonable tell to stand by most of the time, but in this situation I don't think it fits. He changed his mind in back-to-back posts. Scum would be more conscious of how they're going to change positions, if they do. I think they'd usually want to keep their options open, so his Richard town read doesn't feel like it comes from scum anyway.farside22 wrote:I see scum flip flop on views of players based on wagon more then town. Sorry I'm not biting this at all.- Jahudo
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What am I deflecting? Your questions? Because they looked identical to the ones farside asked.Papa Zito wrote:
I'm asking these questions because I have doubts about Jahudo being town. Deflecting certainly doesn't help.Jahudo wrote:Are you guys asking me these questions because you have doubts about BV being scum?- Jahudo
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I liked my town read on BV yesterday. I was wrong.
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Today I still find Nick scummy, and his vote change does not look well-reasoned. Here's the timeline:
- Post 801 is the closest vote count. It shows Richard still had more votes than BV.
- No votes leave Richard-wagon until Nick unvotes his main suspect (Richard) to vote BV.
- Post 810 and Post 813: Two players, Seraphim and farside, tell everyone to vote BV (or in far's case, BV or Pom).
- Post 814: Richard (Nick's suspect) votes BV.
- Post 816: Nick votes BV. There's no reasoning besides complaining that people don't like the Richard wagon, even though it still has more votes at that time).- Jahudo
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This post would look genuine if it didn't come from you.RichardGHP wrote:The hammer itself was pretty bad, considering you didn't give much reasoning and left yourself in a position were you didn't look like you were open to discussion.
So, yes.
Richard, wouldn't you agree that you gave no reasoning to lynching BV besides self-preservation? Since you didn't acknowledge any of the BV case points, you put yourself in a position where you weren't open to discussion.
Take a look at Pomegranate and Richard's paths to voting BV:
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Post 346 - She agrees with the slip tell that BV assumed Papa Zito was town. She acknowledges how many times BV flip-flopped on his Richard-read. She says BV is one of her top 3 suspects.
Post 618 - She comments on BV's claim that he gets VT roles alot.
Post 847 - She considers hammering BV. No reason in the post.
Post 870 - She hammers BV.
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Post 377 - Votes BV because no one is joining his Faraday wagon.
Post 433 - Says he's voting BV for self-preservation.
Post 814 - Votes BV. No reason in the post.
Post 828 - Tells BV to claim. No suspicion in the post.
Post 832 - Revotes BV because he isn't a power role.- Jahudo
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Yeah, she should be at L-1.
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What happens to you if noone tries to kill you, but you hide behind scum? In weak mode? In strong mode?
What happens to you if you hide behind town and if someone tries to kill you? In weak mode? In strong mode?
What happens to you if you hide behind town and if someone tries to kill your town target? In weak mode? In strong mode?- Jahudo
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Well if you don't think its worth the risk, then the plan its for you.
The test hinges on their being a tracker/watcher role existing that finds out she really targets who she says she does. That still leaves open the possibility of scum RB, so we'd need to know if she targets a power role that is still able to perform their night action.
The other benefit is waiting a few days and having Pom lynched or killed then. If she's town, she's have more results than just farside. It seems like a role scum might want to get rid of themselves, more than leave open to WIFOM.- Jahudo
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My Nick case is partially in those vote counts you quoted. I think he was using Richard's vote switch to BV as rationale for saying that momentum was swinging away from the Richard wagon, which was his reasoning for switching wagons himself.curiouskarmadog wrote:3.) Review what happened between previous quoted votes counts.
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@CKD: did you respond to Sando's Post 432 somewhere? That's where he explains why he thinks over-reaction is scummy.
@Sando: are there instances when over-reaction is not scummy?
This speculation is sound in theory, but I'm not sure it only points to Sando.
Zito was going after lurkers early, and his threat to vig Sando felt like it was because Sando was a lurker. Or as PZ called him, "follower. classic blend into the crowd stuff".curiouskarmadog wrote:Well, anyone could have thought PZ was the vig. I don’t think that he was offed because he was the vig. As scum, if I can pin point a vig I would keep him around, especially if he is barking up the wrong tree in the game. A vig with a bad scumdar, is an asset to scum. The fact that he was offed, makes me think he was working the right tree. At the end, he was really pointing a finger at Pom..though I don’t think I would rule out Sando.
When he first said he'd want to vig Sando, Sando had only made 3 posts. And Zito agreed with his reads at that point (Anon, Richard). After a while he stopped saying he'd vig Sando, so I don't think scum-Sando would be more worried than other lurkers or people Zito suspected near the end of the day (Pom, Richard).
So I can see where Sando was still on Zito's hit list, but Sando doesn't look like a clear-cut favorite for night 1. And that goes back into thinking that scum want a vig hitting townies for as long as they think a vig will hit townies.
...which points back to Pom. Writing this post has made me want to lynch pom again. what to do, what to do...- Jahudo
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I'm still trying to understand why you found Richard's vote on farside weird, coupled with his town read on her after he got his gambit-reactions.NickF227 wrote:I really have nothing to say, that's...there. Its not really scummy though, IMO. Of course, I am me and I know I'm a villager, so...yeah.
Sure, but I don't know why you joined the wagon in the first place. You preferred the Richard wagon and you would have kept it the largest if you stayed on it at that point.NickF227 wrote:But, I did give bv's vote the lead and all, and he did turn out to be mafia...soo..... Yeah.....If I was mafia, wouldn't I have waited until people actually jumped off the Richard bandwagon and bv was close to being lynched?- Jahudo
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No, I don't believe the claim. Hiding behind farside makes no sense, since she was a top townie from her BV wagon involvement. It would have been safer to not use the power at all if you don't have town reads not most likely to be NK'ed for catching scum.
The other evidence points to her as scum also, but I still say the test sounded fun. I feel like I'd know how Pom-scum would go about "confirming townies" by hiding behind them.
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Espy was one of her top three from yesterday. While I can see how it looks like it could be scum trying to distance, I don't think she can be scum with BV and Espy. And if she's scum, Richard is def. town.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Espeonage and Pom are both scum. We kill one and we kill the other. Thanks for playing.- Jahudo
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ABR was a distraction yesterday, I don't think people trying to keep Pom alive had a scum motivation to do so. That said, I think he's right about Sando.
SANDO CASE:
1) Sando's original reason for suspecting BV is full of holes.
That doesn't explain how town wouldn't point out a good tell if they were there first to notice it. Sando also doesn't suspect Espy for being the rolefisher, so Sando must not believe his own tell.I think scum are often the first to accuse of role-fishing, because it's such an easy accusation to make and town are so firmly against it that the mud invariably sticks.
2) Sando suspects dybeck in a way that makes sense if BV is scum, yet Sando doesn't apply more pressure to BV.
By the time he votes for dybeck, he still hasn't pressured BV with any questioning or votes. It looks like he's more sure of dybeck, which doesn't make much sense if BV is town. So I think this was an attempt at safe distancing from BV while re-directing focus somewhere else.Dybecks claim that the BV case is wishy-washy etc is classic attempt at derailing.
3) Sand goes from Richard and BV being equal suspicions, to Richard being his top suspicion. There's no specific reasoning of why BV went down or Richard went up.Would lynch: Richard/BV/Sera/Anon/Dybeck, no particular order.
His BV vote near deadline could have been bussing, since its hard to see how he suspected BV on the level that he claimsRichard - Probably top of the list, he's not only by far the scummiest person around, he's totally anti-town seperate to that, and lynching him will give us huge amounts of information.
BV/Sera - Pretty similar level, but for different reasons. I've stated previously why I'd lynch these guys.
I could see him finding BV 5th most suspicious based on his day 1 posts, but not any higher.I've consistently rated BV as my 2nd or 3rd suspect that I'd be willing to lynch.
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ABR put BV to L-3 at one point, though his read on Pom made him switch votes about 12 days before the end of the day. At that point BV and Richard were still tied, and ABR wasn't trying to help the Richard wagon by either thinking Richard was really scummy, or the BV wagon was bad. So either he is scum giving up distancing earlier than makes sense, or he really thought Pom was scum. Given day 2, I believe he just thought Pom was scum, and he's not scum with BV.- Jahudo
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I don't agree with the Ojanen case, and thought her opinion of the people pushing the BV wagon (Espy in particular) made sense in shaping her opinion on BV as a secondary suspect. Overall I'd say she isn't scum who killed Anon or poro.
What's in the meta?farside22 wrote:OJ does not come off town in this game and I would point to my meta on her as another reason to add to my list.
I disagree with this. She was the first one on her buddy's wagon day 1 here: newbie 764 and was early on a buddy's day 1 wagon (as a Ojanen/Sando hydra) here: DHSDSM beta linkfarside22 wrote:She really strikes me as the type not to buss her scum buddy day 1 (seriously don't ask why I don't know) and as I said she saw bv scummy all day but never voted on him.- Jahudo
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There are a couple of things I don't undestand about Espy's vote here.
Why is this the first time you've made an opinion on Nick?Espeonage wrote:I like case Seraphim made
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Non-conventional yet still clearly shows how Nick's actions are scummy. I see the case and agree with it.
What about the case is non-conventional to you?
Do you agree with all of it?
About the Nick case points:
I feel like the suspicions towards ABR are justified given Rampage's playstyle, but I don't think it means he's more likely to be scum if he sings songs about how confident he is in someone's scumminess, etc.
Nick's bizarre attack on farside is something I've tried to unravel since early day 1. I can't get on the same page with him. I don't know why, but it keeps going to a dead-end. So I've just gotten over it.
The instance of unhelpful play justifies some attention and pressure, but I don't think its scummy unless Nick had a lapse of judgment and didn't see how an obviously anti-town ignoring would look obviously anti-town. I think scum are more aware of avoiding those kinds of things in more scripted responses.
The first WIFOM defense looked normal given the context, which was the timing of his switch. I still don't understand why he made the switch when he did, but it doesn't really make logical sense as scum so I gotta back off that point. The second WIFOM is unreliable at this time because he thought she was lying town. Even though he didn't really explain that point, he never indicated she was scum.
The strange roleclaim looks like an alignment claim, but still unnecessary.
His opinion about Pom's claim being a lie did ping something from me. I still don't understand how he could balance thinking Pom was a cop with the situation she was in and not claiming cop. That is still an unknown on him. But setting up ABR's lynch looks like another example of reacting to ABR's personality, so null tell for that.
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Farside, how did Sando stick his neck out day 1?
I know he was calling out the people "derailing" the Richard wagon, but I saw that as trying to shift momentum away from the BV wagon. And he still managed to vote BV before deadline. If his suspicions for both were similar, like he claimed, I don't see how he would dedicate his BV vote post to arguing for a Richard lynch.
So do you think he's in a different scum faction than BV? Because I think his vote was early enough and with no signs of leaving to make bussing seem ridiculous. And he had a chance to switch to Richard but didn't.farside22 wrote:Esp is just voting along. I didn't like his vote on bv at the time and he's just following a long. I call this the flying under the radar scum tactic.- Jahudo
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A Sando claim would be nice...
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I don't think you've given an opinion on Sando yet. If that's correct, then you really should do it now. Do you like the points dybeck was pressing on Sando, or were you saying that he looked like a proactive town for going after someone regardless of how you felt about Sando?boberz wrote:IN my case because I have lost myself in this game because i am so busy atm. Will get free on friday afternoon and then will be able to committ more time to the game. It doesnt help that recently whenever i do have half an hour or so I am unable to log on which makes me frustrated
It seems odd you're not voting for someone yet, given how recent some of your suspicions on people have been. Who looks scummier to you: Faraday or Richard? Is it possible that Espeonage is still scum, now that Pom has flipped town?- Jahudo
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@Espeonage: Do you look at that "2nd to last person on a town lynch" theory alot? Or did you only remember that theory after post 1376?
I'd think it would happen in alot of other games, so if you liked the tell you might use it alot. And I'm wondering why you didn't consider it at the start of day 3.
Also ABR did what I wish I had the guts to do sometimes when I have a strong feeling about somebody. I don't think its suspicious as much as it is awesome. I'm not going to consider voting him for a couple of game days at least.- Jahudo
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Espy might be a good lynch today, but I'm also thinking about voting boberz. I don't agree with the Ojanen or Nick suspicion, and I'll try to re-read Faraday and dybeck soon.
I mean, it could be a gutsy scum gambit but I'm leaning towards gutsy town gambit. I've been feeling like he's playing to his personality this whole game, and that's why people have suspected him. And by a couple of days, I mean game days if we get down to only a couple of people...probably 1 scum left and there's no good suspects left. Something like that.curiouskarmadog wrote:
there is nothing about this quote I like. if you think it is so awesome, why would you vote him in a couple days?Jahudo wrote:
Also ABR did what I wish I had the guts to do sometimes when I have a strong feeling about somebody. I don't think its suspicious as much as it is awesome. I'm not going to consider voting him for a couple of game days at least.- Jahudo
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I didn't find anything I liked about Richard or dybeck's cases against Faraday. Even though Richard is now known as town, I don't think Faraday's vote on him looked opportunistic---more pressuring to try and get Richard to take the game more seriously.
@Amished: where is your case on dybeck. I can't find it, besides this post: post 1151.
Espy wagon looks like the happening place to be today.
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Is this assuming Nick is town? There were still alot of "not voting" people at that time, so I think he could have seen Sera's case on Nick as something people could jump on. So since he wasn't the one creating the alternative, I could see it being on a scum or town. It seemed to be his best option for self-preservation.Javert wrote:I was worried at first that Sando might have been trying to get a true counterwagon on NickF227 yesterday, but it occurred to me that if Sandoreallywanted to try for a counterwagon, he would have just claimed a guilty investigation on NickF227 when he fake-claimed Cop.
That's an interesting point. Sando did have the opportunity to find Nick suspicious day 1, and had about 5 suspects that day so what's one more?Javert wrote:In fact, Sando's vote of NickF227 yesterday was the first time Sando ever even mentioned NickF227 the entire game. I can easily see that vote as a distancing vote.
Its not enough to override my current read of town on him. - Jahudo
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