Karma Mafia (Game Over!)

[Patrick]

Votecount

farside22 (3) -- Albert B. Rampage, RichardGHP, Snow_Bunny
Albert B. Rampage (2) -- My Milked Eek, dybeck
NickF227 (1) -- Pomegranate
Pomegranate (1) -- NickF227
RichardGHP (5) -- Porochaz, Faraday, Sando, Jahudo, bv310
Sando (1) -- Bio Hazard
Faraday (1) -- curiouskarmadog
bv310 (5) -- Papa Zito, Anon, Seraphim, Espeonage, farside22

Not voting: DocPotter
20 alive, 11 to lynch.

[Jahudo]

I don't agree with any Anon suspicion out there. It looks more like he's defending his own opinion on a tell rather than defending Richard. I disagree with his opinion, but that does not make him scummy.

And there's only been one flip-flop from bv right? He first said Richard looked like newbie town, then after a re-read he said leaning scum. I don't recall him going back to town after that?

Faraday in Post 128 comes off as scum pushing for a mislynch, as the only reason he stated for voting me was the fact that I apparantly wanted to be lynched. Everyone asking to be lynched should be lynched is horrible logic too.

Finally, Seraphim in Post 132 gives me a strong pro-town read, since scum would be more likely to use the fact that I wanted to be lynched as an excuse for a quickwagon. The fact that Seraphim takes the time to question my view tells me that he's town.

Um, what's the difference between how Richard responded and how Seraphim responded? Just because Seraphim was already voting you does not mean he would have held his vote in post 132. It looks like both players gave you the same amount of pressure while asking you to explain yourself.

[Seraphim]

He flip-flopped from town to scum to not sure to scum to not sure to scum and then only voted under pressure.

[NickF227]

Bv...I'm not sure. I mean, the flip flopping is definitely scummy, but then he only really voted after pressure all around from people thought his noncommitement was scummy and those on the Richard wagon, a little bit.

Richard's last post reeks of desperation and kinda looks like an attempt to look town, but I think his vote for farside after him saying that he thinks a town farside would post like that is a bit weird.

I'll read over the thread again after I finish up this homework I have, but for now:

Unvote: Pomegranate, Vote: RichardGHP

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll vote whoever as long as it's not me.

[farside22]

You commented previously that I was acting different from our previous game together. Do you still maintain that comment?

Ah so you read my meta of you and decided to act as such now?

Im talking about scum faking aggressiveness towards a player to get reactions/answers. I never talked about the RVS.

I never said aggression:

I'm stating that town tends to push for reaction

I need to work on what I mean with this. Call it taunting of a player, playing with their mind a bit. I also used the words pushing someone's button prior to this.

I'm talking about me. You think I am scum because sic, you dont agree with my reasoning.

Where are you getting this from?

[farside22]

I'm talking about me. You think I am scum because sic, you dont agree with my reasoning.

I read where you got that from. My full case is here in case you missed it.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 23#2182923

I didn't know I had to repeat all my reason's over and over again. But since I see you keep misrepresenting my post I guess I will now.

[Sando]

Seraphim/Farside, the flip-flopping, ok. But the vote under pressure being a scumtell? Why do I get the feeling that if there wasn't a vote that he'd be backing off the wagon and again, be accused of flip-flopping, another scumtell. This latest accusation seems like a catch-22.

Espeonage jumping on the popular wagon strikes me as opportunistic.

Richard seems to have gone from whiny, to angry, to angry with a bit of a plan, to a gambiting master... At least in his own mind.

[RichardGHP]

I keep quiet, you put votes on me for lurking.

I post content, you put votes on me because my reads are "terribad" and my logic is flawed.

MAKE UP YOUR GODDAMNED MINDS, PEOPLE!

I can't take the hypocrisy much longer.

[Espeonage]

Seraphim/Farside, the flip-flopping, ok. But the vote under pressure being a scumtell? Why do I get the feeling that if there wasn't a vote that he'd be backing off the wagon and again, be accused of flip-flopping, another scumtell. This latest accusation seems like a catch-22.

Espeonage jumping on the popular wagon strikes me as opportunistic.

Richard seems to have gone from whiny, to angry, to angry with a bit of a plan, to a gambiting master... At least in his own mind.

I think i was the first person on Anon.

[Sando]

Espeonage, you're the 4th on BV I believe.

Richard:

You get voted, over-react
You get voted again, over-react again.
You get voted yet again, you get angry, go into hiding
You get called out for hiding, you come out and claim it was a gambit

I didn't attack the fact that you provided content, but what the content was.

And no, you're still not scumhunting.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mafia ain't what it used to be. Most games I'm in nowadays are filled with VIs and lurkers. So I adapt. And I look for invitationals.

[RichardGHP]

Not scumhunting? How about you read Post 309 where I call a scum read on Faraday.

With that,

Unvote; Vote Faraday

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Lastly:

Richard:

You get voted, over-react

That's my meta.

You get voted again, over-react again.

That's my meta.

You get voted yet again, you get angry, go into hiding

I think I have a right to be angry, and the hiding was unintentional.

You get called out for hiding, you come out and claim it was a gambit

God, I don't know, maybe I really was gambiting?




What? Richard must be crazy guys that last sentence doesn't even make sense!!1111

[Sando]

That's my meta.

It's also a pretty standard scum-reaction.

But good to know you've done 1 sentence of scumhunting in 14-odd pages, all is forgiven...

[Porochaz]

Not scumhunting? How about you read Post 309 where I call a scum read on Faraday.

With that,

Unvote; Vote Faraday

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Lastly:

Richard:

You get voted, over-react

That's my meta.

You get voted again, over-react again.

That's my meta.

You get voted yet again, you get angry, go into hiding

I think I have a right to be angry, and the hiding was unintentional.

You get called out for hiding, you come out and claim it was a gambit

God, I don't know, maybe I really was gambiting?




What? Richard must be crazy guys that last sentence doesn't even make sense!!1111

Stop using meta as an excuse!!! Its ridiculous!!! Not only that if you know3 your meta, you can pretty much fake it. Also how many games have you played??? Not enough in anycase to have any reasonable meta. I smell bullshit. Dont use meta as a defence.

Also votes are on you for giving scum-like reactions. Wait, what was that? We are voting you based on... reactions??!?! Isn't that what you were doing... so yeah you FAIL there! Also your gambit failed to pay off, you didnt release that data nearly soon enough and even when you did it wasn't nearly thorough enough and looked like it had been cobbled together off the drop of a hat.

The fact is every step of the way you have over-reacted to every single thing. Not only that but when you came up with an excuse for your over-reactions you failed to make a proper conclusion.

[Jahudo]

Richard's vote on Faraday is a start in the right direction, but he still doesn't look like scumhunting townie.

Mafia ain't what it used to be.

What do you want it to be? Do you not have suspicions on people yet?

I think his vote for farside after him saying that he thinks a town farside would post like that is a bit weird.

I don't think this is an accurate description, besides the question on why Richard left his vote on farside when he revealed his reactions.

[Papa Zito]

I'll vote whoever as long as it's not me.

ABR, scumlist plz.

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I will post something tomorrow. Sorry.

Fail.

Ok returning.

reading, etc.

sigh

Been busy recently, something will be up tonight.

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[farside22]

Seraphim/Farside, the flip-flopping, ok. But the vote under pressure being a scumtell? Why do I get the feeling that if there wasn't a vote that he'd be backing off the wagon and again, be accused of flip-flopping, another scumtell. This latest accusation seems like a catch-22.

Espeonage jumping on the popular wagon strikes me as opportunistic.

Richard seems to have gone from whiny, to angry, to angry with a bit of a plan, to a gambiting master... At least in his own mind.

Not sure how much mafia you have played but I know scum who play it more safe and talk about people they are suspicious of but don't vote. Then when asked they place a vote on said person.
I see it more from scum then town.

Agreed about Espeonage.

[farside22]

I would say Richard gets a point for making the weakest case in history.
His so called gambit failed hard as only one person voted after his please vote me request. Sorry buddy unless there are dumb newb's in this game I don't see anyone falling over it. Plus reading Faraday he expands more on his thoughts on Richard. Not sure about richard more and more.

Richard what do you think of bv310's action and comments so far?

[bv310]

Meta is not an excuse for poor play. I'm aware of my meta as a bit of a lurker, but I at least try to change that, not accept it and use it as an excuse when I play poorly.

[Pomegranate]

He flip-flopped from town to scum to not sure to scum to not sure to scum and then only voted under pressure.

Closer to this.

My cable went out last night, so I couldn't get a post done. Working on it now.

[Pomegranate]

Anon, if over-reacting and panicking to a vote(s) isn't scummy, what is a scummy reaction to votes?

It entirely depends on the way people express that reaction.

Ive seen townies, especially newbies, overreact and panick to a vote, which is prob not the case here since its more likely richard is angry with ckd triple vote. Ive seen scumbags play it cool and not slip until the last moment.

All alignments commit scumtells, the point is that you have to analyse first if its a very reliable scumtell, and second if there are other tells to fight or help the read. That is scumhunting.

So what would you consider a scummy reaction from Richard if not this?

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Papa Zito is vig

Holy rolefishing, Batman!

Seriously, what possible benefit is there to announcing it? If he is, then now he's been outed. If he isn't, then odds are he'll be NK'd and we lose a valuable townie.

You seem to be assuming that he's town. No likey.

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Do you disagree with my thought on what town tends to do?

Yes, town tends to push for reactions, thats pure scumhunting, but that doesnt mean that all people pushing for reactions are town.

"Pushing for reaction is pure scumhunting, but scum do it too." You make no sense.

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Its not fence sitting. Its stating the truth. In a wagon, there are always two type of people: townies scumhunting and scumbags pretending to be townies scumhunting.

At this precise moment, Im trying to find out which one you belong to.

Isn't that the point of the game? How are you going about doing it?

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I think Richard is town, but very whiny town.

He seems to be playing the newbie-scum stereotype quite fully.

I'm not sure yet. I'm leaning towards newbie-scum, but that's not enough to warrant a real wagon.

he seems slightly scummier after a quick iso-read.

I don't know what to call him now.

That dramatic a turnaround and AtE seems very much like scum trying to cry their way out.

Unvote
Vote: bv310

WTH- I didn't realize that he changed his mind this many times.

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I find Espeonage to be lurking in plain site. Has anyone really noticed? All he says is that he'll read up on one thing or another, and then he disappears for a while.

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Willing to vote for: BV, Richard, or Espeonage. After that, Anon.

Vote: RichardGHP

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[Papa Zito]

Well that post was confusing.

Pom, you just wrote a post making 3 points against Anon, 2 against bv, and 1 against Espeonage. Ignoring that none of them are really original, you made 0 points against Richard and chose him for your vote. Why?

[My Milked Eek]

mod

, I'm still here, I unfortunately am facing a horrible deadline by this Monday so I'll be semi-v/la until then.

[Pomegranate]

Well that post was confusing.

Pom, you just wrote a post making 3 points against Anon, 2 against bv, and 1 against Espeonage. Ignoring that none of them are really original, you made 0 points against Richard and chose him for your vote. Why?

My post started from page 10 or so. I voted him mostly for what happened before then, i.e., reacting terribly to votes.