RedCoyote wrote: Get real, cruelty. My accusation was serious. DDD's vote on you was sketchy, and I'll hold to that forever and a day.
RC wrote:To be honest, I'm not convinced. I asked directly and clearly for someone to point toward a "softclaim" or breadcrumbing from earlier in the game, and no one has been able to do so yet. Moreover, if I recall correctly, cruelty was absolutely not on board with a scumZang read, and argued, instead, for scumAlmaster on D1. I don't recall cruelty ever documenting a change in opinion over this, but if someone can prove me wrong I will drop the point.
RC wrote:Anyways, regardless of cruelty's actual role, him claiming the second shot makes it unlikely he was DDD's partner.
Quotes 1 and 2 contrast heavily with quote 3.
1: DDD's vote on me was scummy (and therefore I'm scummy).
2: RC isn't convinced by my claim, thinks it's scummy. Or at least, he's looking for ways to make me look scummy.
Then all of a sudden in quote 3 he's separating me from DDD; it's now unlikely that I'm mafia, I must be an SK (or some other anti-town role). What I don't understand, is why you're making this separation - in your scenario it makes more sense (in my mind) for me to be mafia opportunistically claiming our (my hypo mafia team's) kill on zang to be a vigi kill, whilst a third party killed Budja. That scenario would fit a lot more neatly with your belief in a cruelty/ddd scumbuddy system than outing me as some lunatic third party.
Therefore, I have to conclude that your belief in my guilt isn't actually all that strong, and the most likely reason for this is the fact that you know (by virtue of being mafia) that I'm town.
I said it was possible. I thought the unlikely part was implied.RC wrote:It's very unlikely and you know it. I'll acknowledge the first part, he was definitely behaving scummy. But for you to push the idea that all remaining scum are between me, d3x, and Almaster is silly. The scum knew Kthx was town, and the town didn't. Period.cruelty 353 wrote:I think it was a weak play given that he -was- behaving scummy and it's possible (not probable) that there's all town on his wagon.
And yeah, the scum knew he was town, and you also acknowledge he was scummy. Why is it unreasonable to acknowledge that it's possible (however unlikely) that the scum sat back and let town lynch him?
It's entirely dependent on what DDD (a known villain) said. Your quotes are all DDD, except for three of mine, one of which you agree with and the other two having nothing to do with DDD whatsoever. This isn't a two-way relationship you're trying to desperately to expose, it's a bunch of crap said by a villain that you're trying (and failing) to link to me. Flimsy.RC wrote:
I don't know what makes it flimsy. I was right about Budja, I was right to hold my suspicions back of Kthx (unlike, say, you), and I'm going to be right in my conclusion that at least one of you and Fate are scum.
