Karma Mafia (Game Over!)

[Patrick]

Votecount

Albert B. Rampage (1) -- My Milked Eek
RichardGHP (7) -- Porochaz, Faraday, bv310, NickF227, Pomegranate, Javert, boberz
bv310 (7) -- Papa Zito, Anon, Seraphim, Espeonage, farside22, curiouskarmadog, RichardGHP
Espeonage (2) -- Ojanen, dybeck
dybeck (1) -- Sando
NickF227 (2) -- Jahudo, Albert B. Rampage

Not voting: Nobody
20 alive, 11 to lynch.

[Seraphim]

While bv has not done much to decrease his scumminess, I think he is more likely to be town than I originally thought. I think both the Espeonage and Nick wagons warrant further investigation.

Seeing as the Nick wagon is based on a really strange contradictory statement he made, I will wait for him to explain himself. In the meantime, time to check up on this Espeonage guy...

[farside22]

While bv has not done much to decrease his scumminess, I think he is more likely to be town than I originally thought. I think both the Espeonage and Nick wagons warrant further investigation. ...

Why would you think that?

[Seraphim]

While bv has not done much to decrease his scumminess, I think he is more likely to be town than I originally thought. I think both the Espeonage and Nick wagons warrant further investigation. ...

Why would you think that?

Nick's post is bizarre. I don't know if he's scum, but it's definitely bizarre.

I'm looking back at Espeonage too, and he looks like serious scum. I'll be posting some questions for him in a little bit.

I'm not letting bv310 off the hook...I'm just ensuring that I'm not ignoring what else is happening in the game. Also, I've been looking at the bv wagon and a lot of the scummier players in the game are on it. This has caused me to doubt the wagon's validity.

[farside22]

While bv has not done much to decrease his scumminess, I think he is more likely to be town than I originally thought. I think both the Espeonage and Nick wagons warrant further investigation. ...

Why would you think that?

Nick's post is bizarre. I don't know if he's scum, but it's definitely bizarre.

I'm looking back at Espeonage too, and he looks like serious scum. I'll be posting some questions for him in a little bit.

I'm not letting bv310 off the hook...I'm just ensuring that I'm not ignoring what else is happening in the game. Also, I've been looking at the bv wagon and a lot of the scummier players in the game are on it. This has caused me to doubt the wagon's validity.

Last I checked I believe it was you (will relook later) I thought you said Esp was someone you thought was scummy.
Did this change if it was you?
I find those on the richard wagon scummier. So far the Esp wagon isn't looking hot either.

[farside22]

Yup it was you Sera. So what changed or who looks to be scum on the bv wagon?

A good solid read of the game would be good from bv310.

Seraphim: what's your general impression of the players ON the bv wagon? Generally town? Or some bussers on there?

First point: yes. But you said you weren't feeling the bv wagon...do you think it warrants your consideration now?

Second point: bv wagon = Papa Zito, Anon, Seraphim, Espeonage, farside22, curiouskarmadog, RichardGHP

hmmm...if we assume I'm town, I feel the town is the majority here. Richard is VI, I think. That doesn't excuse his play but that's what I'm feeling right now. That's likely to change if he doesn't get off his lazy ass and post. Espeonage is most likely to be bussing scum...I don't get that feeling from Richard.

[boberz]

I sense the Nick wagon feels bad. It just seems players are moving to it when thye run out of ideas. Maybe I am wrong and I am not saying those players a scummy because of it. I just dont see why it is emerging yet.

[Seraphim]

What exactly do you mean? I said that I felt Espeonage was most likely to be bussing if he was scum. I now am considering him to be a possible candidate for scum. Have you read over his play? It's riddled with contradictions and passive play.

Richard, Espeonage, or bv310, one of these, maybe even two, is scum, I'm sure of it.

[farside22]

I'm not letting bv310 off the hook...I'm just ensuring that I'm not ignoring what else is happening in the game.

Also, I've been looking at the bv wagon and a lot of the scummier players in the game are on it

. This has caused me to doubt the wagon's validity.

Sera I am referring to the bold part where you say players as in more then one. Did your views change on some players on the wagon for bv?

[Jahudo]

I sense the Nick wagon feels bad. It just seems players are moving to it when thye run out of ideas. Maybe I am wrong and I am not saying those players a scummy because of it. I just dont see why it is emerging yet.

Its more because he's active right now and I want to hear his defense on something I find confusing and possibly scummy. I still think Richard's done some scummy stuff, but he's stopped defending the case against him. If/when he comes back, I'll continue to try and get him to answer my questions.

[Seraphim]

Though I said I feel like Richard is more VI, I don't know how much I trust him...perhaps anti-town is a better word? Scummier? Bleah.

Basically, it's how my two other suspects are on the wagon of my main suspect.

Does that make sense?

[Sando]

Anyone else you'd like to fence-sit on Sera? That's 3 this page already...

[farside22]

Though I said I feel like Richard is more VI, I don't know how much I trust him...perhaps anti-town is a better word? Scummier? Bleah.

Basically, it's how my two other suspects are on the wagon of my main suspect.

Does that make sense?

Well Richard has gone to lurkering/unhelpful again mode. The 2 players I don't like on Richards wagon the most is bobz and Nick.
Bv wagon I don't know about Esp.
As for the Esp wagon I don't care for dybeck and something about OJ's first post feels off. Just gut there.
So less scummy feeling people on bv for me.

[Seraphim]

Anyone else you'd like to fence-sit on Sera? That's 3 this page already...

If I had three votes, I'd be voting for all of them. It's not a matter of whether or not I feel they are scummy, it's a matter of which one is scummiest.

And Farside, it's not overall wagon composition. It's those two players in particular that bothers the shit out of me.

That being said, I think I like my vote again. Espeonage can wait for the time being.

[Espeonage]

Do you still want to ask me those questions?

[Seraphim]

Yeah, I did have some questions for you.

In your first "serious" post, you put a vote down on CKD. Why?

Also, I'm interested to know why you voted Anon despite him holding similar view to MME which you said was a post full of win. It seems like you're contradicting yourself.

[Espeonage]

He was tunnelling and we were barely out of RVS.
What I had against Anon was how he said he had 3 suspects and went for the one with the most votes already on them.

[Seraphim]

I have another question for you:

Can I have your thoughts on the following players?

ABR
RichardGHP
bv310
dybeck
NickF227

[Espeonage]

ABR isn't giving anything. He said he would come out Day 2 so I will wait for that before making a judgement.
Richard and bv i have already commented last page and through vote.
let me get back to you on the others. I will have to have a little read.

[Espeonage]

EBWOP Nick has to post more. Much more.

[Seraphim]

I find your view on Richard and bv lacking. Expand on those thoughts from your last page.

[Anon]

I will post here tomorrow

[RichardGHP]

I am prodded.

I'm just starting an intersemesterical break for two and a half weeks, so I'll be posting more over the coming weeks and game days.

[dybeck]

Sando: Your use of scare words bugs me.

You've accused me of being "wishy-washy" about the two main wagons, when I think I've been very clear - particularly in relation to the bv wagon.

You've accused me of "derailing" because I don't believe in the wagon du jour. There's no

secret

plot to "derail" the bv wagon. I don't believe in it, and I don't think it's the best town play. You seem to be trying to scare the rest of us into thinking that if they don't hop on board this flimsy wagon, they'll be up for votes themselves - which just comes across as really scummy to me.

I didn't raise this at the time, because I know I have a tendency to hit the OMGUS button.

But accusing Seraphim of "fence-sitting" is the worst of all. You're throwing a scare word at him which is wholly unjustified - while I don't agree with all his conclusions, Seraphim has been very far from non-committal so far.

Could you expand on your justifications for the above three points you've made?

[Faraday]

Sorry been absent, busy with STUFF.

I'm stilling kinda..waiting from something from richard. I'm his top suspect for no apparent (good) reason.

Espeonage is reading a little differnently than me in his newb game where I picked him out as town despite the fact he was quite scummy. I want to read him in iso.

Blah I should have a more substantial post by the weekend due to it being a long weekend and all that.