Karma Mafia (Game Over!)

[Patrick]

Votecount

Albert B. Rampage (1) -- My Milked Eek
RichardGHP (7) -- Porochaz, Faraday, bv310, NickF227, Pomegranate, Javert, boberz
bv310 (7) -- Papa Zito, Anon, Seraphim, Espeonage, farside22, curiouskarmadog, RichardGHP
Espeonage (2) -- Ojanen, dybeck
dybeck (1) -- Sando
NickF227 (2) -- Jahudo, Albert B. Rampage

Not voting: Nobody
20 alive, 11 to lynch.

Deadline: April 8th

[Seraphim]

also, I think people might want to know that deadline is in less than a week if I remember correctly. So, Richard should get off his lazy butt and lay down some posts.

[boberz]

With the lurking it seems clearer to me that it is Richard

and

BV. If only one was scum then the other would be desperate to post so the other was chosen.

[farside22]

Mod: Could you please post the deadline when posting the vote count?

Bobz if you believe that why are you voting richards? Who else do you find scummy and why?

[Papa Zito]

With the lurking it seems clearer to me that it is Richard

and

BV. If only one was scum then the other would be desperate to post so the other was chosen.

Or they're both just really bad town and the scum are biding their time for a mislynch.

[boberz]

Mod: Could you please post the deadline when posting the vote count?

Bobz if you believe that why are you voting richards? Who else do you find scummy and why?

If I believe them both to be scum then it is obvious I would be voting one of them!!!

Who else is scummy??
ABR is I suppose because I cannot work out why he played so annoyingly (deliberately so) in the early game. He has not done anything to reddem himself as such.

MME I havent liked because he ha lurked majorly and not answered even simple questions or addressed anything. Even the times he was time pressured he could have floated a quick thought or two like most of us do. Even if he then corrected it later I would prefer it.

[farside22]

MME I havent liked because he ha lurked majorly and not answered even simple questions or addressed anything. Even the times he was time pressured he could have floated a quick thought or two like most of us do. Even if he then corrected it later I would prefer it.

Someone pressured/asked questions to MME?

[boberz]

He was asked to contribute more, I consider this pressured (maybe that is an exageration) into posting more. He did not.

Examples (how do you link the actual words?)

Poro in Post 520 viewtopic.php?p=2197991#2197991

and farside post 508 viewtopic.php?p=2196867#2196867

There are others but I cannot be bothered to go back and find the specific examples.

[farside22]

He was asked to contribute more, I consider this pressured (maybe that is an exageration) into posting more. He did not.

Examples (how do you link the actual words?)

Poro in Post 520 viewtopic.php?p=2197991#2197991

and farside post 508 viewtopic.php?p=2196867#2196867

There are others but I cannot be bothered to go back and find the specific examples.

Fair enough.

[boberz]

Haha I just noticed I quoted you, I just found 2 random examples. That wasnt meant ot be sarcy.

[Pomegranate]

/back

Post tonight

[curiouskarmadog]

ugh, updating from page 16 tomorrow....will try not to make it a wall of words...if it looks like it will be I will break up posts.

[NickF227]

Eh?

Oh, I guess I just remembered wrong, I didn't read the whole thread before posting that and I just assumed based on what people said before. I think that whole 20 different quotes post confused me.

[farside22]

Eh?

Oh, I guess I just remembered wrong, I didn't read the whole thread before posting that and I just assumed based on what people said before. I think that whole 20 different quotes post confused me.

Why are you voting richard? Who do you think is scummy and why?

[Papa Zito]

Activity check

[mrow]Slot[col]Player[col]Posts[col]Last Post 1)[col]My Milked Eek[col]7[col]31-Mar 2)[col]farside22[col]66[col] 1-Apr 3)[col]Jahudo[col]21[col]31-Mar 4)[col]boberz (replacing Snow_Bunny)[col]13[col]1-Apr 5)[col]dybeck[col]22[col]1-Apr 6)[col]Seraphim[col]69[col]1-Apr 7)[col]bv310[col]37[col]30-Mar 8)[col]Sando[col]20[col]31-Mar 9)[col]Pomegranate[col]20[col]1-Apr 10)[col]Papa Zito[col]34[col]1-Apr 11)[col]Anon[col]33[col]31-Mar 12)[col]Espeonage[col]33[col]31-Mar 13)[col]RichardGHP[col]24[col]31-Mar 14)[col]NickF227[col]10[col]1-Apr 15)[col]Javert (replacing Bio Hazard)[col]4[col]30-Mar 16)[col]Porochaz[col]39[col]31-Mar 17)[col]Ojanen (replacing DocPotter)[col]15[col]31-Mar 18)[col]Faraday[col]19[col]1-Apr 19)[col]curiouskarmadog[col]16[col]1-Apr 20)[col]Albert B Rampage[col]28[col]31-Mar
I'm inherently suspicious of the <20 post crowd.

[Javert]

1.)

I cannot help but feel soured when I look at the make-up of this bandwagon:

RichardGHP (7) -- Porochaz, Faraday, bv310, NickF227, Pomegranate, Javert, boberz

Although I still do not think RichardGHP is playing anything like Mafia 107, I feel like I am associating myself with bad company.

2.)

Unvote: RichardGHP, Vote: Porochaz

. Porochaz, moreso than others, seems to be trying to ride this wagon out. I didn't really care for his original reason for voting RichardGHP, and he seems to just try to justify keeping his vote there in later posts.

Also, trying to shift my questions for him onto curiouskarmadog seems like an attempt to get me off of his back:

Javert, you are possibly correct however I don't view the explanation as something that would warrant a policy lynch, that just sounds like a difference of opinion within a game. Maybe ckd could shed some light on that subject?

My questions for whether an objective person would think curiouskarmadog was making a policy vote has nothing to do with what curiouskarmadog was thinking. What matters is more what somebody in RichardGHP's shoes would think, since you voted on RichardGHP's reaction that he thought he was being policy voted.

3.)

Papa Zito, next time you make one of those posts while saying you are suspicious of players with “less than 20” posts, you might want to consider the following factors:

->

a.)

Some players have been replaced precisely because they were not posting, resulting in a lower post count;
->

b.)

Not all players have a style which requires multiple separate posts, resulting in a lower post count. For example, I could have split this post into three separate posts since I am making three separate general points;
->

c.)

Some players have time commitments outside of games which result in a lower post count; and
->

d.)

The amount of fluff posts players have, resulting in a higher post count.

And before somebody says it: No. I did not post on the basis that somebody just made an "activity check." I posted because I had time to post, and things to say.

[Pomegranate]

1.)

I cannot help but feel soured when I look at the make-up of this bandwagon:

RichardGHP (7) -- Porochaz, Faraday, bv310, NickF227, Pomegranate, Javert, boberz

Although I still do not think RichardGHP is playing anything like Mafia 107, I feel like I am associating myself with bad company.

2.)

Unvote: RichardGHP, Vote: Porochaz

. Porochaz, moreso than others, seems to be trying to ride this wagon out. I didn't really care for his original reason for voting RichardGHP, and he seems to just try to justify keeping his vote there in later posts.

Also, trying to shift my questions for him onto curiouskarmadog seems like an attempt to get me off of his back:

Javert, you are possibly correct however I don't view the explanation as something that would warrant a policy lynch, that just sounds like a difference of opinion within a game. Maybe ckd could shed some light on that subject?

My questions for whether an objective person would think curiouskarmadog was making a policy vote has nothing to do with what curiouskarmadog was thinking. What matters is more what somebody in RichardGHP's shoes would think, since you voted on RichardGHP's reaction that he thought he was being policy voted.

The one thing that I don't like about this is that you switch from on a wagon to critiquing a wagon in one post. Do you still find RichardGHP scummy or not? Are you getting off the wagon because you don't like the way that Poro is pushing it, or because you've changed your mind on Richard? Who else do you find scummy?

[Pomegranate]

With the lurking it seems clearer to me that it is Richard

and

BV. If only one was scum then the other would be desperate to post so the other was chosen.

Or they're both just really bad town and the scum are biding their time for a mislynch.

Do you really think this? If so, why are you voting bv?

[Javert]

The one thing that I don't like about this is that you switch from on a wagon to critiquing a wagon in one post. Do you still find RichardGHP scummy or not? Are you getting off the wagon because you don't like the way that Poro is pushing it, or because you've changed your mind on Richard?

As I said, I am concerned about the make-up of the wagoners. The best way to describe it is: "I feel like something is wrong here." I don't know what says about RichardGHP. It might be the case that there are two scumteams and one of them is bandwagoning RichardGHP-scum. It might be the case that he is being bussed by scum-buddies. It might even be the case that I just happen to voting with townspeople I am not comfortable with. It could be a fair mixture of the above. Right now, I don't know.

So I haven't so much "changed my mind about Richard" as I have changed my mind on whether I am liking his wagon. Like I believe somebody else said before, I wouldn't at all mind him just being Vigged solely on the basis of his uselessness, but I would rather use my vote more aggressively.

Porochaz is simply my second suspect, which is why I am pushing on him. It just so happens that I don't like his RichardGHP vote.

Who else do you find scummy?

I don't magically get suspicious of people simply because somebody asks who I find scummy. Suffice it to say that I have a short list of about three people I think are Town. If I find somebody scummy enough to pursue, I will pursue them.

[Espeonage]

How does ABR have 28 posts? He has posted nothing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Pomegranate is scum guys. Richard is town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Javert is also town. Espeonage likely scum with pom. Bobberz likely anti-town. And now I have 30 posts. Interesting that farside has 66 posts.

[RichardGHP]

Man. Really having trouble keeping up with this game for some reason. I need another game to go into night. -_-

Posting content tomorrow.

[dybeck]

Pomegranate is scum guys. Richard is town.

All of this ^^^^

Javert is also town. Espeonage likely scum with pom. Bobberz likely anti-town. And now I have 30 posts. Interesting that farside has 66 posts.

And all of this ^^^^^^

I agree with.

[Ojanen]

ABR is I suppose because I cannot work out why he played so annoyingly (deliberately so) in the early game. He has not done anything to reddem himself as such.

Did I understand correctly that ABR is scummy for being deliberately annoying and not redeeming himself from his annoyingness?
Re: MME; did I understand correctly that he is scummy to you especially for not contributing when asked to contribute?
If yes, it seems to me we either really disagree on what is typically scummy or do not share alignment.
What's up with your suspicion of Faraday and Zito nowadays?