Mini 950: DCI Mafia (The Results Are In...)

[Parama]

/confirm before slaxx

[Parama]

How much experience do you have playing mafia? Please include any off site forums which you play to.

ScoreHero - 1.5 games
Mafiascum - lots of games

What would you say is your scum meta is?
What would you say your town meta is?

I'd say that meta sucks and this question is pointless.

Someone just got quicklynched, and is town. What do you do?

Lynch the person who put them at L-1 the next day.

Same situation, but quicklynched is scum.

Lynch the person who put them at L-3 the next day.

Your #1 scum read got NK'ed last night, and you have no reads on anyone else, and it's LYLO. What do you do?

Vote my strongest town read. They're keeping me alive so they can get me to ML.

[Parama]

If I have no reads on anyone at LyLo, then I'm playing a terrible game.

[Parama]

I feel slaxx has betrayed me. Confirm faster!

[Parama]

(unless you ml me D1 in this game too Parama )

Implying that you're town before the game has even started

[Parama]

EBWOP: I forgot to mention EpicMafia in my experience thing. I'm addicted to that site. I also won a bronze trophy there recently
(edit this into my most recent post please)

[Parama]

If I think Nikanor is town, he's scum.
If I think Nikanor is scum, he's town.

For future reference.

vote: Nicodemus

because he said his town meta is scummy

[Parama]

Meta is the worst invention in the history of mafia. I will physically abuse anyone who tries to use meta.

[Parama]

Ani, you're getting waaaay too hung up on your pregame questions... considering that they aren't applicable to just this one game they're not the most important thing ever.

[Parama]

@Slaxx:

I don't need to. There was a quote in his sig for a while that shows how badly he acts. Still there, it seems:

Ythan, on my play: "Scummy and bad are not the same. Some players manage to keep them separate, though I applaud how masterfully you blend them."

Something like that doesn't mean much coming from Ythan <____<
Anyways Nico's a good player IMO. You are going for OMG EXTREME POLICY LYNCH... have you ever played with him before?

@Nikanor: I'm not opposed to it but this seems more like VI behavior than scummy behavior.

[Parama]

Okay, something needs to happen.
The scum in this game are kunkstar7, Nachomamma8, and Stethoscope.
GG.

Vote: animorpherv1

For the weak FoS comboed with a failure to vote change. Isn't my being the only person to refuse to answer your random questions a better reason than the one behind your random vote? If not, why the FoS?

Yo bro I'm reaching for a reason not to random vote because I want to take the moral high ground now so I can lead later!

Looker, why no reason for your vote, regardless if its random or not? Same to muh316.

Yo bro I'm overreacting to a random vote but I have nothing better to do so hopefully this won't look like paranoia!

Stephoscope replaces The1fifi. Please welcome him to the game!

Yo bro I haven't even posted acknowledging my presence in this game, I'm just going to be the lurkerscum of this game!

Any questions?

unvote, vote: kunkstar7

[Parama]

Hey look, discussion!

[Parama]

You wanted to take the leadership role so you can get a lynch wagon going. It's likely a ML.

[Parama]

Nic, Parama is talking from a different point of view in that post. He is assuming (rather strongly) that nacho is scum and that of course a wagon led by a scum is likely to be (but no guaranteed)on a townie.

hush, let Parama answer on his own please.

I wold answer the question but slaxx already gave the correct answer.
I don't know if ani is town or not. But if I have a scum read on someone pushing his wagon on D1, then ani is town by association.

[Parama]

The scum in this game are kunkstar7, Nachomamma8, and Stethoscope.

Why?

I gave my reasons based solely on in-game content thus far. Did you read my post?

[Parama]

Then why did you ask me why I FoSed those three?

[Parama]

Because I would like you to elaborate on how you can pick out all 3 scum at the very beginning of Day 1.

Oh geez. Those are the most likely scum right now. And for now I will be sticking to calling out the scummiest players because it's scumhunting!
Starbuck's response looks like: Scum is curious as to why two of their scumbuddies have made my list of likely scum this early in the game!
I think I see a Kunk-Nacho-Starbuck or a Kunk-Stepho-Starbuck team now. More likely the first, though I want to see something from Stepho before I make a decision.

[Parama]

And is there a problem with that?

[Parama]

Okay, look.
Here's the deal.
This game was dying before discussion had really begun.
I jumped the gun.
We have achieved discussion.
And is there a problem with that?

[Parama]

The implication of my initial post was to spark discussion as well as giving my thoughts and hopefully getting reactions. The lack of discussion was the root of the problem, though - there wasn't much to take info from yet. And if I had failed to spark discussion, then I wouldn't be getting much of a reaction.

As you can tell, everything's been going as I hoped it would - we have discussion, reaction, and *GASP* scumhunting!

[Parama]

Okay, why is Cherub right?
More specifically, what makes me wrong?

[Parama]

Comment on my opinions.
Give your own scum reads.
Spark discussion yourself.
At least I'm doing something, right?

You may not agree with my reads or my opinions but you have to admit that I did spark a nice discussion, and it seems I'm not the only one who thinks kunk is scum at the very least.

[Parama]

And another question - do my actions (scumhunting, trying to spark discussion) make me scummy? If so, for what reason? If the answer to the first question is No or if you can't come up with an answer to the second one then this whole exchange is rather pointless IMO.

[Parama]

And again I am forced to ask - what is wrong with me giving 3 scum reads? Assuming three scum in a mini is a safe bet, so it's always good to have 3 suspects to pursue.
If you have an issue with the abrasiveness of my accusations, suck it up. It's not going away any time soon.

[Parama]

Unvote
Vote: Parama

It would be really awesome if you could drop the egotistical arrogance.

I will be sticking to calling out the scummiest players because it's scumhunting!

You will be sticking to calling out anyone who disagrees with you. That, my dear, isn't scumhunting.

Oh geez, because I gave scum reads, justified them, and defended them!

His sudden suspicion on me in Post 103 for asking for further elaboration doesn't sit well. I mean, it wasn't like I was suspecting him. Just asking for further clarification. His overreaction feels like nervous scum.

The hypocrisy here is stunning. I'm linking you to my reads because you overreacted to them. Makes you look like what you call me.

I've been playing mafia for awhile. I don't understand how ANYONE can have 3 suspects in 5 pages. Maybe 1, but definitely not 3.

And obviously this makes me scummy. Having suspects early in the game = scum! Because obviously townies don't need to name their top suspects straightaway!

This is going to be a loooooong game.

Also,

FOS: Slaxx

for quickly trying to come to Parama's defense. I'm pretty sure Parama can handle his own.

The issue here is that scum defenses are NEVER this obvious. Or... Slaxx is pulling a weird reverse psychology to make me THINK he wouldn't be that obvious because scum aren't that obvious, so it lets him get away with being that obvious, but then it means it's actually really subtle defending, in which case it isn't obvious... my head hurts.
Add to the fact that I'm not scum, and it makes your point irrelevant anyways [/mech]

[Parama]

No, but if I assumed I was scum when making my posts that wouldn't come off too well. All my posts come from a townie point of view!

[Parama]

This page is a waste of my time, I did not read most of the posts here.

[Parama]

What I mean is:
Starbuck's attacks are based on "ego" which doesn't have anything to do with scum or not scum. The silliness of these attacks is made worse due to the fact that me and slaxx aren't being egoistical at all... we're telling Starbuck why she's wrong!
I don't think anything Navy has said recently has made sense, either. I have no clue what you're trying to imply, sorry. Try again next time!
And I don't want this game to turn into the Starbuck-Parama-Slaxx comedy hour.

[Parama]

Starbuck, are you fully aware you are voting Parama because you disagree with his playstyle? Are you also aware of the fact that you FoSed someone because they disagreed with you?

That is not my reasoning for voting Parama or for FOSing Slaxx.

It's the only reason you've given.
Looker is not allowed to do what he just did. Nobody is.

FoS: Looker

(if you don't get it, *lurk* *lurk* *lurk* *bandwagon vote without a reason* *lurk* *lurk* *lurk*)

[Parama]

kunk, how the hell did you manage to misquote what I said as Slaxx's?
(just really annoying and all)

[Parama]

oh hi... GIDEON.
Nacho is not on my scumlist anymore FYI.

[Parama]

His recent posts are very pro-town in nature. And he wasn't topping my list earlier anyways. I like what he's been saying, and my top 3 scum reads have certainly changed over the past couple of pages (guess the list and you win a prize!)

[Parama]

Scum using bad logic and overreacting to my scumlist. Implies that I had one or both of her buddies in my original FoS trinity.

[Parama]

Slaxx, the scumteam is kunk/Starbuck/Looker.
Didn't you figure it out yet?

[Parama]

Still happy with kunk.
Hasn't been saying much since I called him out, and he's been trying to argue against me instead of my logic. The only "defense" he's provided is that my sureness makes me scummier even though I didn't imply absolute sureness. And lo and behold I've changed 2 of my list. But there's a reason kunk is still on it.

[Parama]

I don't understand the ani case that well to be honest... the weak logic and the lurkingish is all I can see. And weak logic is more a symptom of stupidity than scumminess from my experience.
He's had some weird interactions with Nvay though; defending his responses/attacks on me and all.

[Parama]

ITT Ani misreps everything I've ever said without understanding my logic and sides with Starbuck on everything ever.

[Parama]

If anyone wants reasoning, it's that Parama is being

waaaay

too confident to be town.

Anyway, I don't get why the kunkstar wagon dissolved so quickly. Anyone care to explain to me why he's town?

A lack of confidence = weak reads = I'm not doing a good job as town.
Nothing has changed about kunkstar being scum.

[Parama]

If you don't get it, reads change.
I'm not voting you because kunk is scummier.
There's nothing else worth responding to because your case is a disguised OMGUS.

[Parama]

People bury votes under walls of weak reasoning when they don't have a good reason to vote for someone. That is called disguising a vote. And since I put you on my scumlist, you decided to OMGUS me, but you didn't want the OMGUS to be obvious so you gave weak reasoning. That is why your vote is a disguised OMGUS.

Now then.

1. "calling out anyone who disagrees with you."

I'm not calling out everyone who disagrees with me. The ones who do not give a good reason to disagree yet continue to disagree are the ones I am calling out.

2. "His sudden suspicion on me in Post 103 for asking for further elaboration"

This is silly because...

3. "His overreaction feels like nervous scum. "

This is hypocritical.

[Parama]

Blargh, Friday, really? x_x
I need to reread, if I can find a convincing enough reason to switch to Ani I will, but I won't vote him if I can't; kunk or Starbuck need to die first.

[Parama]

Okay I need to read more.
This is Nico overreacting in a similar way that kunk did. Can't believe I missed this.

What was the point of Starbuck's random vote in 97? Uneffective distancing technique?

Ani in 111 is annoying buddying and noncommittal play.

Slaxx stop buddying me please. The amount your doing is ridiculous; it won't work. If you flip scum (looking more and more likely each time you post) then I can assure you your bad attempts at buddying me will not get me lynched.
I can get lynched by my own means, thank you <_< (this line not meant to be taken seriously)
Stephoscope is a chronic lurker and needs to pay the price for lurking.
Looker "" "" "" "" "" "" "" ""
CMAR "" "" "" "' "" "" "" ""
Nicodemus "" "" "" "" "" "" "" to a lesser extent

Okay Slaxx where the hell do these reads come from?

Ani "" "" "' "" "" "" "" ""

I don't want to do it but we might have to resort to Lynch all Lurkers.

Meh, still not sure which way to go on an Ani lynch. A lack of kunk BW by deadline means I'll probably switch for the sake of things but I'd still prefer other lynches first.

Slaxx is shooting up the scumlist.

[Parama]

Slaxx is contradicting himself by attacking me.
Defends me for 7 pages, pulls a huge 180 and sticks me on his scumlist. No reason given for the switch.
Does not make any sense at all. Heck, not much Slaxx has done makes sense. Am I scum for defending Ani? If so, then if he flips town after you guys lynch him today I'll lolololol.

[Parama]

Note to Slaxx: Mafia NEVER obviously buddy their partners. Or maybe the WIFOM factor from being so obvious means they would do such.
Regardless, point out one time where I have "defended" Ani. Not against his lynch but there are 3 or 4 people who need to die first.

[Parama]

He's not in the top 3. And he's only recently made his way up my scum list.
There goes the entire point of your last post.

[Parama]

You didn't seem to mind his buddying when it benefitted you.

I didn't comment on it because I didn't want to return the buddying and establish a link. Now it's getting ridiculous.

[Parama]

Slaxx is contradicting himself by attacking me.
Defends me for 7 pages, pulls a huge 180 and sticks me on his scumlist. No reason given for the switch.

Looks to me like he's reacting to you calling him out for the buddying (which he denies but I think is present).

However, it does seem like you're way overreacting to this.

I don't think it's possible to overreact to obvious buddying attempts because they are generally done by scum and thus a great reason for alarm.

[Parama]

You didn't seem to mind his buddying when it benefitted you.

I didn't comment on it because I didn't want to return the buddying and establish a link. Now it's getting ridiculous.

[Parama]

Also, Parama has never presented how he got 3 scum reads in the first 3 pages, although he was asked many many times.

*headdesk*
I GAVE MY REASONS IN THE POST WHERE I GAVE MY READS. IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?
I also have changed 2 of my reads.

[Parama]

I gave initial scum reads.
They changed.
Reads have an odd tendency of doing that y'know.

[Parama]

Nacho, coming to Parama's defense as well.

Noted.

It's cause the attack is illogical and unjustified. Usually players will come to defense of other players if the attack looks scum driven.

[Parama]

Starbuck, if I told you I knew all the scum in this game, would you believe me? Would you take me seriously?

[Parama]

Question; has anything that Looker has done since you originally posted your case against him done anything to change your opinion of him?

I'm just glad you're not using lurking as a part of your case or I would have to brutally murder you for hypocrisy.

[Parama]

It shows that he's nervous scum. Look at how he was acting over Easter weekend. Crediting himself with starting conversation, and acting like this whole game began because of him. No, doesn't fly with me.

Okay, how am I nervous? Because I'm believe I'm right? Because I'm confident in my reads? Isn't that, y'know, the OPPOSITE of nervous?
I didn't "start" the game, but I really got the ball rolling with my 3-scum post. And you can't deny this because at least half of what you've said to day has been because of one post.

[Parama]

Slaxx's case on me: I am not joining the Ani wagon because I have 3 better scum suspects, and therefore I must be scum.

Considering you even admitted to parroting my reads earlier in the game, the contradictions to your calling me out as scum are self-evident and your logic is full of holes.

unvote, vote: Slaxx

Just... no.
For future reference, I have been liking Kunk's more recent posts, but he's still on my scumlist. But I want to the get the more obvious scum first.

[Parama]

Proof that I am telling the truth and Slaxx is telling us all that he is scum:

Lol I'm not buddying. And even so you only pointed it out after I FoSed you for not voting ani, you're obv buddy.

[Parama]

*sigh* I'm just going to stop posting if nobody is going to listen to me.

[Parama]

Now you're pushing extremely hard for my lynch, calling me obv scum, before I even present my case.

Yupyupyup. More overreacting from Parama, probably some really hardcore distancing too. If ani wasn't so scummy I would want you dead pretty bad.

Okay I'm not overreacting, especially if there's nothing to react to. I push cases I feel worth pushing and frankly I don't give a damn about what you guys have to say right now. I never said I was against an Ani lynch, but I have stronger scum reads that I wish to pursue. I'm sure I'll take heat if Ani flips scum, and frankly I don't care. For now I'm pursuing the cases I want to pursue, regardless of what anyone else says.
If that makes me scummy, so be it.

[Parama]

It's proof that your reason to FoS is me because I don't want to jump on the ani wagon. And you denied the obvious buddying from earlier pages in the thread. If that's not buddying I don't know what is.

[Parama]

Aww hell.

[Parama]

I admit, I am ani's buddy. Townbuddies stick together.
Slaxx, I would like you to present whatever case you had on ani before he was lynched and flipped town. Not going to hold anything in the case against you but you said you had a case yet did not deliver on it, thus I'd like to see it now.
Vote coming after a reread - don't expect any major changes.

[Parama]

Okay, I've seen Ani-town and I've seen Ani-scum. They're both rather VI-ish but they're not very different. Town read on Ani was based on gut more than anything.

It was not a setup because I honestly wasn't going to hold anything you said against you.
But since you seem to have a case on me, I'd like to hear it
CMAR's points on Nikanor are actually pretty good, I wasn't really paying as much attention to him but he does seem a little hypocritical.

[Parama]

I admit, I am ani's buddy. Townbuddies stick together.

Explain this, please.

Humor

[Parama]

Oh one thing.
Stepho is probably town.
Carry on.

[Parama]

Oh one thing.
Stepho is probably town.
Carry on.

Thanks. You say Steph is probably town, but he isn't trusting of CMAR's case on Nikanor, whereas you seem to agree with it. Why the discrepancy?

Stepho is town because of reasons unrelated to his opinions on CMAR.
I still like CMAR's points but I'm still torn between voting Nik and voting Starbuck. Slaxx is still on the ol' scumlist too.

[Parama]

Oh one thing.
Stepho is probably town.
Carry on.

I love how Parama does the same thing I just bagged on Nikanor for doing

BZZZZT Wrong. You called him out for hypocrisy. What my post is is my read on Stepho changing.

[Parama]

But that's not your case. Your case is that he's calling me scum for being overconfident while doing the same thing himself.

[Parama]

But you used it as an argument against me. Stop backtracking.

[Parama]

*headdesk*
I'm not continuing this if you're completely missing the point.

[Parama]

Okay, sure, I'll accept that, especially since I still think your Nikanor argument is awesome.

[Parama]

Indeed he has posted in another game of mine today yet has not even acknowledged his presence here.

[Parama]

That wasn't even talking to you. Screw off Nik.

[Parama]

But you used it as an argument against me. Stop backtracking.

Zomg opportunistic.

Vote: Parama.

Gogo scumlynch.

Zomg opportunistic.

[Parama]

Okay, fair enough, although there is an issue...
Why am I scum?

Also, why did you avoid this game when CMAR posted a case on you? You posted twice with 20 minutes between posts in another game. Should have had plenty of time inbetween to post something here.

[Parama]

Okay, here's the essential flaw in all cases on me!
Nikanor accuses me of being overconfident.
Starbuck accuses me of being nervous.
Obviously, at least one of you is wrong, since these contradict each other. I cant' defend against both of these at once because of reject one would only make the other seem stronger. So the major flaw is that this is a trap that I can't argue my way out of.
I'm not even going to argue against either of these accusations until Nik/Starbuck work out which one is correct amongst themselves.

[Parama]

Also, Nikanor, you just used a meta argument didn't you.
I think you need to die several deaths. Meta is a lie.

Vote: Nikanor

For hypocrisy, for meta, for being scum.

[Parama]

So you are going to ignore any and all cases on you?

That's pro-town

You idiot. I can't argue against both cases if arguing against one makes me more guilty according to the other. That's my point. Once you and Nik agree on which of your cases is better, then I'll gladly tear it to shreds, because I have arguments against either case but no argument against both.
CMAR continues to own Nikanor.

[Parama]

Meta attacks aren't scummy, they're just worthless.

[Parama]

I needed to elaborate. Meta attacks aren't scummy themselves; however, most uses of meta attacks are scummy. And pushing a meta attack as your biggest point against me is one of these terrible uses.

[Parama]

Is it backtracking? Have I contradicted anything I said in my last post? No.
I was actually going to add that in an EBWOP right after the first post but I had to leave for school.

[Parama]

"Meta attacks aren't scummy"
"most uses of meta attacks are scummy."

Also, I love how you contradict yourself IN THAT POST.

Meta attacks aren't scummy themselves; however, most uses of meta attacks are scummy.

To me, this says that meta attacks aren't scummy, but that they are scummy most of the time. What exactly were you trying to say, if this is not it?

Gonna say it one last time.
The attacks themselves aren't scummy - "Meta attacks aren't scummy"
Bad uses of meta attacks are scummy - "most uses of meta attacks are scummy."

There's a difference, although you don't seem to notice it.
I have no clue what Starbuck means in here most recent post.
Slaxx, care to elaborate?

[Parama]

Before I get dogpiled for that last comment - EBWOP:
Slaxx, would you care to elaborate? I'm not sure if I've seen you give your own reasons for voting kunk, and at the moment Nikanor is scummier than kunkstar. I'd love to hear your thoughts on both though.

[Parama]

Considering that my vote on you stems more from CMAR's argument than the use of meta, I think the question is irrelevant, but I'll answer it anyways.
Personally I have seen more uses of meta by scum than by town but I've still seen plenty of townies use meta arguments. But the problem with meta attacks is that they fail as logical evidence.

[Parama]

Your attack is based on my entire meta, not specifying what parts of my town meta (which doesn't exist) that I don't seem to be following, and if you're willing to use meta you need to realize you brought up a point about your scum meta that was fitting with the early part of the day.

By the way, if you're having this huge argument me, why are you leaving your vote on Stepho?

[Parama]

Meta can go die in a ditch.

THANK YOU.

Don't really have much of a read on Nico, partly due to lurkiness. Is there some point you'd like to bring up on him?

[Parama]

Parama, I told you

exactly

what was wrong. I said that your town meta wasn't this aggressive. Nice try, though.

Ah, okay. I'll stoop to your level and make sure you see why you're wrong.

Aggressive Townie Parama #1
Passive Scum Parama #1
Aggressive Townie Parama #2
Passive Scum Parama #2

I don't expect you to read all this but if you want to you'll see why your argument fails.
By the way those are my only 2 finished scum games (I even had to take one from offsite).

[Parama]

So could either of you tell me why the other one's scummy without using the word "meta" or "hypocrisy"? Thank you.

Uh...
Well...

...the contradiction CMAR pointed out?
...

unvote, vote: Starbuck

Someone's been avoiding the Nik-Parama argument in hopes that I get lynched without their help! That someone is Starbuck! Who still need to post a case on me so I can rip it apart!

[Parama]

Hello Mr. ANI IS SCUMZORZ!!!!
Are you really one to be saying that?

[Parama]

I'm staying on Starbuck until I get a response. And tbh kunk started looking townier at the end of yesterday but he's still on my list in case you were wondering.

[Parama]

Okay quick Nvay ISO because I've been forgetting to do it.
ISO 5 - the only one of my suspicions here that Nvay agrees with is kunkstar. Nvay votes kunk.

ISO6 - Concern that Nik is already committed to an Ani lynch.

ISO 7 - Nvay tells me I'm rushing things.

ISO 10 - Happy with kunk vote, vote stays.

ISO 14 - One of Slaxx/Me is probably scum. I'm overreacting, Slaxx is setting up lynches.

ISO 15 - Town reads on me and Nico

ISO 16 - Says he would to lynch me if Ani wasn't being scummy

Conclusions: Usually it benefits scum to leave people who have town reads on them alive. Nvay had a town read on Nico - maybe the only player to have such - so it's unlikely Nico would want Nvay dead.
Nvay had a scum read on kunk early on but abandoned the wagon in favor of an Ani vote. It would make sense that Nvay is a good target for kunk-scum to kill.
There were also brief mentions of Slaxx and Nik though Nvay was leaning town on Nik for most of the day. Slaxx-scum killing Nvay would probably make sense as well.
I'm not going to weigh in on Nvay's comments about me - you guys can do that yourself.
From the kill the most likely scum is either kunk or Slaxx. HOWEVER NK analysis should not be playing a major part in today's lynch. I'm only putting this up for reference and to hear your guys' thoughts on the matter.

[Parama]

Nvay was someone who suspected kunk early on and then moved away from the suspicions in favor of lynching Ani. But it means Nvay would probably be willing to lynch kunk further down the road. AKA, a good target to take out.

[Parama]

Nvay said that yesterday before any flips. Does it mean it would hold true after 3 people died?

[Parama]

STOP SAYING THE WORD META

[Parama]

It's stupid and distracting and I'm waiting for you two to be done.

Well then, is there anything you'd like to comment on about the exchange? I'm sure you have at least something to say about the argument.

And, why don't you try and spell "NAVY" correctly?

I am definitely spelling Nvay correctly. You're the one spelling Nvay wrong.
(it's an inside joke - ask Nvay himself)

[Parama]

For the record, Parama, I have been enlisted in the UNITED STATES NAVY for 6 years. Inside joke or not, please try to spell it correctly, he's dead and no longer playing.

Okay, this is completely irrelevant and I will continue to spell Nvay correctly.
NvayCherub =/= US Navy

[Parama]

No, the problem is that must continue to refer to Nvay as Nvay and not as Navy because there's a difference and it's not based on interactions as much as referencing.
I don't understand why you are getting so worked up about this and are continuing to actively not provide content.

[Parama]

Yes that's exactly what I said. Seems like Starbuck is active lurking IMO.

[Parama]

That's the funny part, I'm not worked up.

But you keep on misrepresenting me as so. You're pretty good at that.

Um... what? You're commenting more on something that doesn't have anything to do with the game than you are on the game itself. There's an obvious problem here.

[Parama]

What problem?

You're the one who's kept this going.

Lol. You started it first of all and you're the one who continued to argue about it after I gave all the explanation necessary. It's completely irrelevant yet you continue to comment solely on it. This allows you to ignore the actual gameplay while still letting you post plenty. Thus, active lurking.
Also, stop saying the word "meta". There's a new rule - if you say it you get modkilled.

Is there now? I wasn't informed of it. - ToD

[Parama]

GODDAMMIT PEOPLE DO SOMETHING
I SUGGEST LYNCHING STARBUCK

[Parama]

Okay I don't see why Nikanor suddenly changed after Starbuck claimed.
I know how this will look but a VT claim ain't gonna get NKed so there's no point in potentially outing a PR at this point. But bleh nobody's gonna listen to me.

I give Starbuck a cookie because Starbuck shares a replacement policy with me - I don't "do" getting replaced.

[Parama]

I propose a master plan:
CMAR gets replaced by someone useful
Nicodemus gets replaced by someone useful
Starbuck gets lynched
Kunkstar gets lynched
Some third unknown scum (maybe CMAR) gets lynched

GG.

[Parama]

Not close enough to even bother asking.

[Parama]

I thought this would be fun to do:

Parama Accuses of being Scum

Starbuck
Kunkstar
Stephoscope
Slaxx
Nikanor
Looker
Nachomamma

[Parama]

Also, CMAR stop tunneling and outing yourself, it's embarrassing. I'm tempted to switch.

[Parama]

That's funny. One of my main points though was that the only person he somehow says is town is Nachomama.

Nachomamma is town.

[Parama]

You claimed when you weren't even close to being lynched because you didn't want to get to that point. BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUM. My vote's not changing.

[Parama]

You claimed when you weren't even close to being lynched because you didn't want to get to that point. BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUM. My vote's not changing.

[Parama]

Town, please remember just how much Parama railed against me when I FLIP AS ONE OF YOUR OWN.

Lol. I'm not going to backtrack because on the odd chance that you aren't scum you're still the scummiest player here.
Also I have no scumbuddy, oddly enough. Might be because I'm not scum.

[Parama]

Actually, new plan that makes everyone happy.
Lynch someone like CMAR or kunk, then have Starbuck get vigged tonight. Personally I think we can get more info out of a CMAR or kunk lynch than a Starbuck lynch, and both are nice and scummy anyways.

CMAR get that quote out of your sig

Vig: shoot Starbuck tonight

unvote, vote: kunkstar

In other news, I don't like Nikanor's vote on Starbuck at all. Is that your only reason for voting Starbuck?

[Parama]

@Parama, directing a vig kill is scummy. If anything town will come to a consensus on it. Not like if there is a vig they have to follow it anyway, but I think thats the best move for us.

The problem is that a Starbuck lynch won't get us much information, especially from the quality of the other reasons for being on the wagon. A kunk or CMAR lynch would get us somewhere, and both have been scummy enough for me to be willing to lynch them.

And Starbuck, hate to break it to you but yes you have been tunneling on me all game.

[Parama]

If your reason for thinking Starbuck is town is WIFOM, should you really be trusting it?

Regardless, Starbuck is a better vig target than lynch candidate at this point IMO.

[Parama]

This is backtracking to a certain degree(Its backtracking because you said you weren't changing your vote, then you proceed to change your vote and present a plan that leaves your target alive till night). In the previous post you state that Starbuck is the scummiest player at the moment but you are willing to let her go and lynch a lesser suspect because you believe there is a townvig? Some things wrong with this. One, you chose to leave the player you just called scummiest alive for night, and two, you base your decisions on an unproven belief of a vig. There are way too many possibilities in a closed setup for you to be willing to give up your scummiest lynch because you hope there's a town PR that'll kill them off for you. I could see asking a vig to kill your lesser suspect, but the way you stated your plan is bad in my opinion.

Your assumption is that I suspect you less than I suspect Starbuck, something which I haven't explicitly stated. You were the first strong scum read in this game and definitely right up there with Starbuck. I believe you're scum. The reason why I'm voting you over Starbuck now is because Starbuck's claim makes for a better vig target, plus honestly there's more information to be gotten from you.
For starters, I now believe that if we lynch kunk and he flips scum then Starbuck is probably town. Because kunk is pushing for a Starbuck lynch even though he's never had much reason for it just to save himself.

[Parama]

STOP CLAIMING
UURRRRRGGGGHHHHH
MY LIFE IS HELL

[Parama]

Your post implies that I should be voting Starbuck over you, which implies you want a Starbuck lynch because you want my vote to be on Starbuck and not you.

[Parama]

Oh joy.
I'm going to say screw it and claim myself if you guys keep this up.

[Parama]

*headdesk*
I don't want to lynch Nikanor anymore, why do you guys suddenly want to? Can't we lynch scum i.e. kunk?

[Parama]

So nobody else sees how you're not even trying to prove anything you accuse me of?

[Parama]

What makes an early claim more believable? Not exactly sure where you got that from. Plus, self-aware millers are supposed to claim ASAP. The claim doesn't make Nik less scummy IMO.
I would still like people to point out where I'm tripping over myself because otherwise all I see is Starbuck accusing me of something and not even bothering to prove it and Slaxx buddying Starbuck's logic because he feels like it. Looks like a scumteam to me. Add in kunk, there's our three scum, gg.

[Parama]

Yeah you're definitely misrepping what I said and all but that's fine.
Two people have accused me of the same thing and both have failed to point out where. If you can't prove something then there's no sense in making baseless accusations.
Starbuck is scum for overreacting to my initial claim, making a BS accusation that I'm being nervous because of my confidence after the initial nervous response to my list, hypocritical in itself really, then lurking when Nikanor and me were having an argument, following this up with a period of active lurking, and let's not forget her recent accusation that I'm tripping over myself - which she has been doing all game - while doing nothing to prove her accusation.
Slaxx is scum for the attempted buddying with me then later pulling a 180 for no reason, lining up lynches solely because I felt Ani was town (and he was), and now he's blindly following Starbuck's baseless accusation and not giving any of his own reasons for doing such.
Kunk is scum for overreacting to early votes on him, continued active lurking, a quick distancing maneuver when today's Starbuck wagon started to form, and wanting to bus Starbuck in an attempt to save himself. Though it could also be scum trying to get a townie lynched - which is why I want kunk dead first. If he flips scum then Starbuck looks townier, though it could still be bussing.
ANYWHO. Yes you know my opinions I took all these points from my own ISO so there's nothing new here. This is just a summary of accusations that I've made in the past against 3 scummy players who just so happen to be scum.

[Parama]

IMO millers should claim in their first post.
But honestly this is irrelevant to what I want to happen today.

[Parama]

I don't care about lynching Nikanor right now. It's not like Starbuck hasn't claimed either. Nikanor isn't scummy enough IMO to warrant a lynch, kunk is. I'm not tripping over myself if I'm agreeing with my reads. And really, one tiny irrelevant thing does not make someone scum.

[Parama]

Starbuck, Slaxx, I know I suspect you guys of being scum but if you want to jump on a kunk wagon with me I'll give you some town cred.
I don't want to lynch either Nikanor or CMAR.

[Parama]

Because if kunk is scum then it's a safe bet Starbuck isn't.
The opposite doesn't apply.
And since I find both scummy but one yields more information than the other, kunk it is.
Plus Starbuck is good vigmeat anyways.
Just making sure all the scum get killed d("d)

[Parama]

Which is why you also jumped off the wagon in favor of an ani lynch?

[Parama]

Mmk, I'm not going to complain just because you're voting kunk (one of the two lynches I have been crusading for since early D1).

[Parama]

unvote, vote: CMAR

Still not happy with a Nik lynch.

I just thought up a great idea. Nik votes CMAR, we give Starbuck the hammer. Any questions?

[Parama]

Killing 3 birds with one stone if you don't mind.

[Parama]

Thanks for telling us that one of the two up for lynch is scum and that one is town. Makes me more confident in my read on you.
Thanks for scumslipping, too. Makes life a lot easier.

[Parama]

If I was scum and both CMAR and Nikanor were town then it doesn't make sense for me to drive the town away from lynching both of them like I did.

[Parama]

goddamn bastard modding

[Parama]

Jesus people. You listen to Parama when Parama says to lynch kunk next time please.

[Parama]

Note to Nico/kunk: I have a habit of randomly announcing strong town reads whenever I feel like it. Stepho was obvtown FMPOV.

Also, if I was cop I would've investigated Starbuck - that should've been obvious <_____<

Anyways, NKable SK = bastard modding, for future reference. I'm never playing as a NKable SK ever again. If I get the role I'm replacing out immediately. It's impossible to win is why.

[Parama]

Just wondering, mod, what made you decide to give town no protective roles at all? That's rather bastardly IMO.