Karma Mafia (Game Over!)

[Patrick]

Votecount

RichardGHP (6) -- Porochaz, Faraday, bv310, NickF227, Pomegranate, boberz
bv310 (4) -- Papa Zito, Seraphim, Espeonage, curiouskarmadog
Espeonage (1) -- Ojanen
dybeck (1) -- Sando
NickF227 (2) -- Jahudo, Anon
Seraphim (2) -- Amished, Javert
boberz (2) -- dybeck, RichardGHP
Pomegranate (2) -- farside22, Albert B. Rampage

Not voting: Nobody
20 alive, 11 to lynch.

Deadline: April 8th, 11 pm GMT.

[Amished]

@farside: Ok, based on that I'd be up for a Pom lynch over bv or richard since those are the two major wagons at this point. I've seen her as each alignment only once but I remember her as town as a bit more vocal, irregardless of v/la.

If more people don't weigh in on Sera in the next... 7 hours or so (midnight my time) I'll switch over to get a lynch done.

[farside22]

Pom as scum game: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13332

I posted the pyp2 game. There was the hydra account that pom/plum shared that they needed to be replaced in and were town. I think pom was in the 1st pyp game. I need to look but that is the only game I was in where pom was scum.

ABR: If I ask about Pom and your vote is it a useless question? I'll try anyways. Why did you switch to Pom?

[Seraphim]

I'd switch my vote to a Pom lynch.

[RichardGHP]

Why is calling you scum a scummy thing to do?

It's not when it's contained and in thrid person, but when you start doing it every other line directed AT that person, it becomes tunneling, which, if I flip town, you'll get hell for.

Why am I scum, you didnt actually explain this?

Because of the way you are so hellbent on and sure of your case, when it is in fact wrong. The fact you can't even CONSIDER looking at it from my perspective is a large tell too.

I am calling OMGUS

Good for you. I'm losing count of how many things you're getting wrong.

[Seraphim]

Richard, what do you think of the Pom case? The bv case? something besides boberz?

[boberz]

Why is calling you scum a scummy thing to do?

It's not when it's contained and in thrid person, but when you start doing it every other line directed AT that person, it becomes tunneling, which, if I flip town, you'll get hell for.

Why am I scum, you didnt actually explain this?

Because of the way you are so hellbent on and sure of your case, when it is in fact wrong. The fact you can't even CONSIDER looking at it from my perspective is a large tell too.

I am calling OMGUS

Good for you. I'm losing count of how many things you're getting wrong.

No no, even if you are town I can be right that it is OMGUS.

I am not tunneling I have looked at others, and looked at you from a towny perspective. The point is I can see your posts as more likely to come from scum.

And calling you scum from any person and with any regularity is not a scum tell. It simply isnt.

[farside22]

Richard is so anti-town in hurts.
Vig oh vig I dont' know what this guys alignment is but I know his play will and is hurting the town.
Bobz I know this is difficult. I feel your frustration but I have this impression that all Richards will do is continue to give inconsiquential comments, views and points that your just going to have to get past and look at others.

[Amished]

@farside: I completely agree with 782. Though that's the same feeling that I got from him (and ckd did too) in that large. Even though he was tracked to roleblock a confirmed scum (I think that's how it went down) he still came under a lot of fire cause he was pretty useless and loud otherwise.

That's pretty much the only reason I don't vote him, cause he's so similar to my only experience with his town game; and he doesn't seem the type to be able to mask his game as much at this point in his mafia career.

[Anon]

Ok time to sort this mess:

RichardGHP (6) -- Porochaz, Faraday, bv310, NickF227, Pomegranate, boberz

Seriously if there is someone townie in this wagon, get out of it like now. The people that is voting on this wagon should be reason enough to realize that richard is being an easy target and that I am prob right about him being newb town failing hard.

bv310 (4) -- Papa Zito, Seraphim, Espeonage, curiouskarmadog

This wagon still has its merits. BV hasnt done anything remarkably protown. This is a good wagon.

Espeonage (1) -- Ojanen
dybeck (1) -- Sando
NickF227 (2) -- Jahudo, Anon
Seraphim (2) -- Amished, Javert
boberz (2) -- dybeck, RichardGHP
Pomegranate (2) -- farside22, Albert B. Rampage

And the separation begins. I see good cases against espeonage, dybeck, nick and pome. I wouldnt be surprised if most of them are scum. On the other hand, boberz and Seraphim are prob town, so I wont be supporting any of these.

Voting separation is good when we are away from deadline but right now we need to get a consensus besides the richard scummy wagon. Even If Im more sure about Nick being scum, we need to start getting together before its too late.

Of all the possible wagons, bv is the best option, followed by Nick and Pome. I would support any of these three.

In fact,

Unvote Vote: bv310

[Porochaz]

Hi, back properly today. Despite hating myself for it, Anon I think your right, however before I decide whether to change my vote at all I need a reread of the second half of this game. Which I will do in due course.

[Jahudo]

unvote;
Vote: Pom

Who else hasn't given a Pom-stance yet? She should be back a day or so before deadline according to her latest V/LA notice. That should be plenty of time to defend the points against her.

[curiouskarmadog]

5 pages in 24 hours...christ...looks like I wont be able to wait to post here until Friday....going to try to get to this ASAP.

[Sando]

This is getting absolutely ridiculous. Enough people are basically saying that Richard is an obvious scum-BW and trying to derail the wagon based on this, that if we follow the logic, if we lynch Richard now and find out his alignment 100%, then we basically have the game in the bag. Why do I doubt any of those are willing to actually put their money where their mouth is?

Boberz looks pro-town to me, the case seems pretty weak. Interesting that people will jump on people like Boberz and BV for floundering and not scumhunting, yet completely clear Richard of it.

Anon's latest post screams scum to me. 'We need to set up an opposing wagon to Richard, and oh look, here's a convenient one in BV, and oh, I also find him the most scummy'. Yeah...

Still not liking Sera's interaction with the BV and Richard wagons.

Would lynch: Richard/BV/Sera/Anon/Dybeck, no particular order.

[Amished]

@Sando: So pick an order. You're the only one on Dybeck, so that's not really going anywhere, unfortunately.

[Sando]

I don't like to pick an order though At least not on D1. It kinda defeats the purpose in my mind of how to operate on D1, but meh, here goes.

Richard - Probably top of the list, he's not only by far the scummiest person around, he's totally anti-town seperate to that, and lynching him will give us huge amounts of information.

BV/Sera - Pretty similar level, but for different reasons. I've stated previously why I'd lynch these guys.

Anon - It's a general vibe, and I'd be more likely to allow it because he's vocal and I think my read will continue to improve. It's also pretty recent, and I like to make long and drawn out conclusions

Dybeck - In case this wasn't obvious, Dybeck was basically me just calling him out on some fairly bad arguments. I still think they were bad, but he's been a lot better since.

[Amished]

Well, by order I meant pick somebody that didn't only have you voting for them and vote for the new person instead.

[Sando]

That is my order... I don't always vote for the person I find scummiest at any given time. 2 of my top 5 have me or noone else on it, should I really not try and apply pressure outside of the popular wagons?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I dunno...I like Pom.

[Amished]

Well, with.. 2.5? days to deadline unless you start something convincing *now* it's really a waste of time in my eyes. Especially since there's no plurality voting rule or anything and we need to get something going.

Unfortunately, nobody was around/commented on Sera-scum; so I shall

Unvote
Vote: Pomegranate

[Albert B. Rampage]

Gogo Pomeranger

[Sando]

Oh, I was getting my games mixed up, I thought we had a week or so.

Well if we're getting right down to it, Richard is the obvious one to go

Unvote, Vote: Richard.

[Albert B. Rampage]

POM IS SCUM.

[boberz]

ABR, are those capitals designed to convince us?

[Faraday]

CATCHING UP NOW. Sorry for not posting my laptop's an idiot who kept switching off, but the problem seemed to be the charger so reading everything I've missed.