Karma Mafia (Game Over!)

[Patrick]

Votecount

Pomegranate (8) -- Albert B. Rampage, RichardGHP, Porochaz, Jahudo, Seraphim, Espeonage, Anon, Amished
Porochaz (1) -- Javert
Espeonage (2) -- Pomegranate, Sando
NickF227 (1) -- Ojanen

Not voting: farside22, Faraday, dybeck, boberz, NickF227, curiouskarmadog
18 alive, 10 to lynch.

Deadline: 1st of May

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let me say that I don't suspect you much more than most people. But you frustrate me a lot- it's hard for me to work with players with your type of playstyle- I'm not used to it.

I can relate to the concept that it's hard to work with someone who thinks you have your own agenda separate from the team agenda. But this is mafia. You're no newbe.

It's hard for me to get a read on you. And the way that you're all excited to ride my wagon today- it seems like possibley excited scum ready to ride an easy town wagon.

I was onto you since yesterday, when it wasn't a 'easy' wagon yet.

Pom, I'm pretty sure you're scum. A claim won't help your case. Nothing will help your case. If you have a 1-shot dayvig, I suggest you use it now.

[Pomegranate]

If I get to L-1, please at least give me a chance to claim, k?

[Javert]

Mod: Could you please prod curiouskarmadog?

1.)

Javert, what are your opinions on the current things here, Pome, Espe, Nick?

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a.)

I have already given a partial opinion on Pomegranate in Post 833, so I will not repeat those comments.

After reading her posts in isolation again right now, I have to admit that Post 346 is pretty jarring – reading it through, it seems like the post should logically end with a bv310 vote, and yet it instead ends with a RichardGHP vote. I can't say I care for that post.

I don't think the hammer at the end of Day One was scummy, though: if I were town in a similar position as Pomegranate (claimed lack of time with a small wagon on myself), I would probably hammer a fair-looking suspect in the hopes of participating more on Day Two. I really don't think anybody who hammers the inevitable lynch is truly thinking they are going to get “town points” for doing so.

On the whole, I think Pomegranate is a fair candidate for scum, but not on the top of my list. I have not yet really digested Post 947, though.

I would not be adverse a claim, given that the wagon has hit L-2.

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b.)

As far as Espeonage goes, I don't like some of his posts (critique of Anon's readthrough post, his complaint about having his “lurking” comment flipped on him)... but the post that stops me every time is Post 222, or the “Papa Zito is vig” post. Scum just don't

say

that kind of thing in-thread, whether they believe it or not. Scum save it for night conversation. Almost solely because of that post, I actually lean town on Espeonage.

I understand that doesn't sound like the best reasoning (it sounds a bit silly typing it), but that's where my brain is. In any case, I don't like elaborating on people I feel are probably town for exactly this reason – but since I've mentioned it now, Espeonage was actually the second person I had a town read on when I first joined the game. The read is still current.

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c.)

Finally, NickF227 is a player I just plain do not have a read on right now, but there are obviously a few things to be concerned about. Posts like Post 562 indicate that he is just reading enough of the thread to generally know what is going on, but isn't actually doing any critical reading. Also, like Ojanen has caught, he first claims that “players like ABR aren't scum, they're just annoying,” and then promptly turns around with saying Albert is scummy for “dicking around” and “making inane posts.”

The latest “tl;dr” post seems to have been purposefully unhelpful. Unfortunately, I get the feeling that this is NickF227's style of play across the board. I think I just need to see more posts from him to get a better read.

2.)

Turnaround is fair play. What do you think of Porochaz?

[Seraphim]

Pom, claim now. Seriously. Beating around the bush doesn't help the town.

Actually, I agree with ABR. Probably even a claim won't help you, so you might as well claim vanilla like your partner and get it over with. Coming up with a fakeclaim won't help you. Nothing will help you.

[Pomegranate]

I am a hider. I have weak mode, which is normal hider, and strong mode, in which kills directed it me do not affect me. I hid with farside22 last night on strong mods, for fear of vig.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote Pomegranate

Oh wait, I did that already.

Ok guys let's just wait for everyone to check in and finish whatever ongoing discussions before we hammer this pathetic scumbag.

[Seraphim]

Yeah, Pom is scum.

[Sando]

I am a hider. I have weak mode, which is normal hider, and strong mode, in which kills directed it me do not affect me. I hid with farside22 last night on strong mods, for fear of vig.

I was under the impression that a 'normal' hider (your weak mode) is not affected by kills directed at them anyway? Isn't that the whole point of a hider? So what's the point of your claimed strong mode?

[Albert B. Rampage]

What do you make of her, Sando? Commit to your answer.

[Sando]

Not particularly impressed with the case or the wagon. The claim of hider I really don't like though. As I just said, I think Pom has pretty much mistakenly claimed that her weak and strong are the same power, and by mistakenly I think scum-slip rather than town-slip. Also, hider conveniently would explain a lack of death post-claim.

Basically, I think the claim is particularly scummy. But I'm not sure that I'm not completely misreading hiders, is my analysis of the claim correct/incorrect?

[Albert B. Rampage]

But I'm not sure that I'm not completely misreading hiders, is my analysis of the claim correct/incorrect?

Let's not play at outguessing the mod now.

[Seraphim]

As far as I can tell, her weak and strong are the same ability.

[Ojanen]

Ojanen, do you find me scummy?

Yes.
I was a little surprised by the immediate consensus on you today relative to the case. Fast wagon does not necessarily mean it's on town though, have seen that several times.
The claim is very dodgy, the weak mode doesn't seem to make sense.

[dybeck]

Look, you idiots. There's no slip in that claim. I think perhaps that some of you just don't get what a Hider is.

What Pomegranate is saying (albeit inarticulately) is that weak mode hides another player. Strong mode hides both Pom

and

that player.

Pom: Do you know what happens if you target mafia with your ability?

Everyone else: Why are we so excited about lynching an obvious town power role?

[Ojanen]

The normal hider/your wikilink does not match with your definition.
Also, Pom should explain her claim by herself.

[Sando]

Agree with Ojanen, your wiki does not match what you seem to say hider is. And Pom never mentions anything about being able to save the other person.

[dybeck]

Ah OK... Pom's claim has confused me too...

[dybeck]

Yep sorry. I'm the idiot who doesn't know what a hider is.

You're right that something's not right with that claim.

[boberz]

I am an idiot who still doesnt understand what is wrong with the claim factually.

I did not like Pom #952, it read to me like 'I have just cooked up this superb fakeclaim let me make it'.

[curiouskarmadog]

My scumlist:

Pomegranate
Espeonage
Seraphim
bobberz
Richard

interesting, I agree with this list from ABR...I agree with Pom, Esp, and Bob on this list...I think Sera is town. Richard, is just the VI..catching up, then I will probably be voting Pom.

[curiouskarmadog]

My scumlist:

Pomegranate
Espeonage
Seraphim
bobberz
Richard

interesting, I agree with this list from ABR...I agree with Pom, Esp, and Bob on this list...I think Sera is town. Richard, is just the VI..catching up, then I will probably be voting Pom.

oh and add Jahudo.

[curiouskarmadog]

My scumlist:

Pomegranate
Espeonage
Seraphim
bobberz
Richard

interesting, I agree with this list from ABR...I agree with Pom, Esp, and Bob on this list...I think Sera is town. Richard, is just the VI..catching up, then I will probably be voting Pom.

oh and add Jahudo.

and Nick

[curiouskarmadog]

vote will be coming....I cant count how many times I have claimed hider as scum. uhh, actually twice, both with bad results. Pom do you know anything else about your role?

going to check to see who PZ was pressuring.

[curiouskarmadog]

His post 11

Agree.

unvote: Anon
vote: DocPotter

Though Anon's participation will be monitored carefully.

If I were a vig, I'd shoot Sando.

Then he said it again. (13)

If I were a vig, I'd shoot Sando.

14

Now why would he do that?

unvote: DocPotter
vote: bv310

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If I were a vig, I'd shoot Sando.

15

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If I were a vig, I'd shoot Sando.

Pom is screaming scum to me from the top of her lungs.

"Pom, as of this moment, your the scummiest person on MS." ~Papa Zito

Well, anyone could have thought PZ was the vig. I don’t think that he was offed because he was the vig. As scum, if I can pin point a vig I would keep him around, especially if he is barking up the wrong tree in the game. A vig with a bad scumdar, is an asset to scum. The fact that he was offed, makes me think he was working the right tree. At the end, he was really pointing a finger at Pom..though I don’t think I would rule out Sando.

Vote Pom