Karma Mafia (Game Over!)

[NickF227]

Returning to my Nick case. See Post 519, Post 893.

Vote: NickF227

...Um, post 893 is uh...nothing but you voting for Pom after Day 2 started?

Whatever, I just got basck from my trip, I'll read through the thread.

No, that's wrong.

Oh, I missed the rest of the post, I thought that was your signature for some reason....

I really have nothing to say, that's...there. Its not really scummy though, IMO. Of course, I am me and I know I'm a villager, so...yeah.

But, I did give bv's vote the lead and all, and he did turn out to be mafia...soo..... Yeah.....If I was mafia, wouldn't I have waited until people actually jumped off the Richard bandwagon and bv was close to being lynched?

Oh, and:

O.K. listen up. This is important.

What if Pom is scum and has a "WEAK ABILITY: NK A PLAYER, STRONG ABILITY: SUICIDE AND NK 2 PLAYERS" type role? Then letting her survive one night will FUCK us.

Do you understand?

Lynch pom.

...wut.

This is pretty...outta left field? I mean, there's Pom's weird claim and then there's...THIS. Just, wtf.

And why am I criticized for looking like I lurk when there's people like Amished who do it about the same as I do?

[Anon]

Being insanely busy and my internetzz working when it wants, makes me post this antiprod post with sadness.

Ill be back online tomorrow.

[Patrick]

Votecount

Pomegranate (6) -- RichardGHP, Seraphim, Espeonage, Anon, Amished, Albert B. Rampage
Porochaz (1) -- Javert
Espeonage (2) -- Pomegranate, Sando
NickF227 (2) -- Ojanen, Jahudo
Sando (1) -- curiouskarmadog
Faraday (1) -- dybeck

Not voting: farside22, Faraday, boberz, NickF227, Porochaz
18 alive, 10 to lynch.

Deadline: 1st of May

[dybeck]

Of course, I am me and I know I'm a villager, so...yeah.

I'm intrigued. Why did you just roleclaim for no reason?

[Pomegranate]

And why am I criticized for looking like I lurk when there's people like Amished who do it about the same as I do?

Why would you be off the hook for that? If you admit that it's bad enough to criticize Amished, why is it wrong to critcize you, if you're lurking the same as him?

[NickF227]

Of course, I am me and I know I'm a villager, so...yeah.

I'm intrigued. Why did you just roleclaim for no reason?

I did? I was just saying I am on the town's side....

[NickF227]

And its wrong to criticize me if you are not going to criticize everyone else who does it?

[Pomegranate]

Maybe. But don't act like you should be off the hook.

[Faraday]

will get to this tomorrow, another game took most of my attention today and i'm on the forum less at weekends anyway.

[boberz]

I dont like Pom tryin to attack someone for rolclaiming when basically they didnt. It doesnt make any sense, it proves Pom is reading the thread but demonstrating she is scraping the bottom of the barrel to find anything to do.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well boberz dear boy, I think you should vote for ol' pom there.

[boberz]

The first three people on the wagon are scummy ABR (or atleast have reasonable suspicion aimed at them) do you believe that more than one person is bussing in this situation (where the pom wagon has been decreasing in size)???

Or are all our reads bad?

[Albert B. Rampage]

We won't know if our reads are bad until we know for sure that Pom is scum. And then we'll see.

[Javert]

I have not forgotten this game -- I will try to read through the latest by Sunday evening.

[curiouskarmadog]

I have not forgotten this game -- I will try to read through the latest by Sunday evening.

this...and had another game that needed my attention

[Jahudo]

I really have nothing to say, that's...there. Its not really scummy though, IMO. Of course, I am me and I know I'm a villager, so...yeah.

I'm still trying to understand why you found Richard's vote on farside weird, coupled with his town read on her after he got his gambit-reactions.

But, I did give bv's vote the lead and all, and he did turn out to be mafia...soo..... Yeah.....If I was mafia, wouldn't I have waited until people actually jumped off the Richard bandwagon and bv was close to being lynched?

Sure, but I don't know why you joined the wagon in the first place. You preferred the Richard wagon and you would have kept it the largest if you stayed on it at that point.

[Seraphim]

I'm back and still pushing for a Pom lynch with a vengeance. I was gone due to Knowledge Bowl state which was a two-day affair, but I'm back now and I feel like I'm reasonably caught up.

I had a town read on you, but dont understand why you dont see a benefit to [keeping Pom alive].

There are benefits, certainly, but I think the benefits we get from lynching scum are much greater especially when it turns out that she is, in fact, scum and all we're left with is her "results" aka scum WIFOM.

I am not convinced of any of the current wagons, though I definitely don't like Nick's play and might be swung that way.

Also, Amished: you came in swinging yesterday, attacking me. Today, that's all but stopped. Why? Do you still think I'm scum? If not, who do you think is scum?

[Anon]

Finally back.

Ok, I was going to give Pome a day, maybe two to optimize the play in case she is town but I really really really like really think she is scum.

Lets see, you have a massive wagon growing fast against you, the type of wagon that if you claim vanilla you die. I still dont understand why as town you would wait to L-1 to claim power role, but thats just me, i guess. You even post this:

If I get to L-1, please at least give me a chance to claim, k?

And you fuck it up when you finally claim? And when people catch your inconsistency you finally recheck your role PM?

Stop this shit. Add previous massive scumread I had on her and lets just end this.

Confirm vote: Pomegranate.

[Anon]

Let me make an analysis of what makes me think Pome is scum.

Pometown would know she is a town power role. She knows power roles are important to the town. Why would she wait to L-1 to claim? Why would she say, please let me claim at L-1 when there were people, me included, telling her to claim? A town power role knows that her role can possibly be proven, other roles, for example, and that playing at L-1 is dangerous, see ckd. Yet, she kept playing the survival card.

Even worse, why would she not check her role PM before claiming to make sure there are no inconsistencies on it?

I cant stop thinking on this and while I think there are some townies in the let her alive clique, I think she is the play today.

[dybeck]

OK great. Everyone's shown their colours on Pomegranate and we know who wants to lynch her and who doesn't.

What's the problem with waiting a day to lynch? If Pom is scum, we've lost nothing. If Pom is town, we potentially get another confirmed town member, as well as letting cop(s) do their job and potentially get to confirm a power role that will be extremely useful as we get later in the game?

I honestly can't see the urgency in lynching Pom when there are others we'd like to see dead - or at least pressured into giving a reaction.

Am I the only one thinking like this?

[Anon]

No, you are not.

The point is that I really think Pome is scum. The inconsistency in the way she claimed is just the cherry on the top. We have her asking.artificial.question.for.the.lose, we have the late bv vote yesterday that screams cheap bussing, we have her in the lame Richard counterwagon, we have her in the list of zitokillables, we also have her in the illogical back and forth with Espeonage today.

Basically, imagining a Pometown is just a hard thing to do for me.

I dont even want to talk about the possibility of mafia having roleblockers or even nastier things.

Dybeck, do you have a reason to think Pome might actually be town here?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I really have nothing to say until we lynch Pom.

[dybeck]

Dybeck, do you have a reason to think Pome might actually be town here?

Honestly, no. Actually, I do take on board all the reasons she's been voted.

But I'm just thinking about risk versus reward. We've got a real potential tangible reward in keeping Pomtown alive, and nobody's really put a case that there's a real drawback in keeping Pomscum alive for a night - to see if a tracker or cop can confirm her one way or another tonight, and to get some further usable info from her night action tonight - usable info which will be confirmed fact if we decide to lynch her tomorrow.

Is the main problem that there's nobody else screaming scum?

[RichardGHP]

I really have nothing to say until we lynch Pom.

[Albert B. Rampage]

and nobody's really put a case that there's a real drawback in keeping Pomscum alive for a night - to see if a tracker or cop can confirm her one way or another tonight, and to get some further usable info from her night action tonight - usable info which will be confirmed fact if we decide to lynch her tomorrow.

So let me get this straight. You want to leave someone you think is scum alive, and to waste a cop and a tracker on top of that? For someone that everybody agrees is scummy? Forget that she could be a roleblocker or a scum power role that can cause some major damage in one night, your idea of risk and reward is seriously warped.