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[Jack]

##vote:Ojanen

I much prefer town to mafia. Although strategizing in the quicktopic is fun.

It'll be interesting to see how the non-hostile "cult" thing works out, I kinda wish I'd picked that.

[Jack]

It sounds like Parama has some weird idea that Ojananen is rolefishing or made a slip or one of those silly things people jump on.

[Jack]

Oj's 2nd question = implying she's town while looking for the most likely townies based on responses, hence why I'm not answering the questions

##unvote
##vote:parama

What did you say in your first post?

There is nothing wrong with OJ's question...town reads are valuable.[/b]

[Jack]

##vote:Ojanen

I much prefer town to mafia. Although strategizing in the quicktopic is fun.

It'll be interesting to see how the non-hostile "cult" thing works out, I kinda wish I'd picked that.

^^^

10,000 Bonus points!

Serving you the cult leader on a platter.

Why do you think there's a cult leader DGB?

[Jack]

##unvote
##vote:DGB

Doesn't seem genuine in those two posts.

[Jack]

How is it a contraction?

Also, it looks like you answered her question and then when she asked it, you voted her and said you would refuse to answer it.

[Jack]

Why do you think there's a cult leader DGB?

You said there's a cult. When there is a cult, there is a cult leader.

Thank you for removing all possible doubt by behaving like a caught cult leader.

Also, Parama is obv town.

Now you're blatantly misquoting me.

[Jack]

It does seem likely to me that people who are known to love being scum would pick scum or other. The choice was far enough away from the actual game that worries about being caught out by it would be a bit distant. Most people probably just picked what the wanted to be, and figured they would use wifom to argue if they were accused of liking scum more.

[Jack]

##vote: Jack

Giving a reason why you chose to be scum is scummy.

I imagine it would be, inescapably. But saying what I like about being scum isn't (even though scum can daytalk I see, which is what makes being scum the most fun imo).

Weird defense of Oj also - doesn't feel like a genuine reaction to Parama's comment, trying to undermine it before it was either explained or commented on by Oj.

I didn't need OJ to explain anything.

I wonder what nico meant by that.

[Jack]

@Jack: Why would you

waste a post

pointing out something as obvious as that? Further, you don't even answer why you assumed other was cult...

Are you asking if I have a post restriction?

[Jack]

@VP: um...everyone saw the playerlist before picking alignment. Zoraster LINKS you to it in the choose your side PM

I don't understand why you even said that.

I don't remember seeing it either. But checking the pm it does say "keep in mind the player list!" and links to it. So that takes care of Nico's comment.

[Jack]

It was included in the Pick Your Side pm I received.

That's a deliberately bare minimum defense,

fos:Nico

@UncertainK: kind of ironic reply

[Jack]

You should put "non-hostile cult leader" if you're going to go with that.

[Jack]

@Jack:
- I think that the line "Here's why I would have chosen scum if I had, but I didn't" is more likely to come from scum than town. Because you would be thinking more about reasons for choosing scum.

That's not true. If you chose town you didn't just think about why you like town. You also thought about what you don't like about town, what you like about scum, and what you don't like about scum.

- You undermined Parama's comment without really knowing what he was saying. The line

It sounds like Parama has some weird idea that Ojananen is rolefishing or made a slip or one of those silly things people jump on.

is discrediting Parama's attack without really knowing what it entails, and I can't see any reason to do that.

You can't see a reason to do it? That's nice, but scum are more likely to think about "reasons for doing something". And people who keep their cards close to their chest the whole game for some ungodly reason.

You say Nico's defense is "minimalist". What, exactly, has he failed to defend, or how should his defense be expanded?

No I didn't, that's not important, and that's irrelevant.

His defense sounded like he was worried about being too defensive. Scum points for that.

You should put "non-hostile cult leader" if you're going to go with that.

ADMISSION OF GUILT

That's not what "non-hostile" means DGB

[Jack]

@UncertainK: I said it was "kind of ironic".

@FishyTheF: because it sounds like he was worried about being too defensive. Why are you defending him before he explains it himself? Isn't that what you jumped on me for doing earlier? Also, you should check and see if your book has a new edition. Or stop using a book, and start using your gut.

[Jack]

Obviously, you don't "know the meaning" of my fos of nico ("I can't think of any purpose" etc). Have fun ice skating on hypocrisy lake. Vagueness is often honesty, and honesty is pro town.

DGB needs more votes.

[Jack]

I think FishyTheF needs some votes too. He makes points that sound like things he often uses as town, but they don't really jive with reality and he's avoiding backing away from them.

[Jack]

Well, I can at least see the point you're trying to make now. I rescind my call for votes on you

However, you are still basing your argument on a) your "tell" about scum making pointless posts and b) disagreeing with my read of Nico's posts. Neither jive with proper tell theory.

[Jack]

I like the par wagon.

[Jack]

Probably not a good line of conversation.

[Jack]

You've changed your style since last time we played Par.

[Jack]

What was the conclusion?

That quote that Elli posted from the QT is weird.

[Jack]

What was the conclusion?

That he was fishing for possible post restrictions?

xvart.

I don't see that I reached that conclusion. Although I see that you put things that you think are true in question form.

[Jack]

##unvote
##vote:Gammagooey

Somewhat scummy (none of this bleeding from the eyeballs stuff for me, not this early in the game thanks).

[Jack]

Fishy may be scum after all. I'm reading DGB's accusation of Zorblag. It's a tell I've never heard of and I don't see it. Yet I'm feeling no inclination to be suspicious of DGB for it.

##unvote
##Vote:Fishy

[Jack]

Xvart doesn't seem that scummy. He talks funny though.

[Jack]

Haven't seen anything scummy.

[Jack]

@Jack: why did you change your mind about me?

I already said. Keep the fake pro town "asking questions because debate is pro town" thing going though.

[Jack]

I'm not really big on explicit reasoning Fish. But I thought it was fairly clear. I described how I (as town) reacted to a tell I didn't know of, that I disagreed with. My reaction was overwhelmingly

not

in the direction of "DGB is scummy". So I wonder why that was your "reaction" to a tell you disagreed with, and a read you disagreed with (mine on Nico).

[Jack]

That's weird because I see where people are coming from less than half the time. I don't worry about makes a bad case, only about "makes a bad case like I think scum do".

[Jack]

##unvote
##vote:Gammagooey

Someday, maybe you will make a townie sounding post. What do you really think about xvart? I like how you let slip that you're choosing between either wagoning me or him, depending on who is more popular.

[Jack]

So you have made up suspicions on two easy targets, and aren't interested in anyone else. Check.

[Jack]

Jack-It's pretty great that you can't even read 4 posts back to see my question to DGB about Zor or look at my first two posts to see my reads on UK Llama and Zor, it really says a lot about how much actual thinking you're putting behind your votes.

Sorry, can't reread. Maybe you could quote the post where you pursued your suspicions of someone else before your "I like my vote right now, but I can certainly deal with a xvart lynch. " post.

[Jack]

I can reread perfectly well thank you.

So, what you said to DGB, DDD, etc is you feeling them out to see if they are scum?

[Jack]

That is in no way feeling them out to see if they are scum.

[Jack]

Let's lynch Gamma.

[Jack]

That's kind of a crude expression don't you think?

[Jack]

Thanks, I was hoping for something like that earlier.

[Jack]

DGB's case isn't great, and certainly doesn't seem to be drifting into "too townie to be town" land. It was better when she just said that he sounded like what she thought of his scum meta. OJ disagrees though.

[Jack]

fos:LlamaFluff

Pushing a lynch a bit too heedlessly.

[Jack]

I don't get the "pushing obviously wrong case" as a scumtell...maybe if he was invested in pushing that case or something. But I don't see why he would be on page 1.

[Jack]

fos:charter

[Jack]

##unvote:Gamma
##Vote:phate

fos:popsofctown

[Jack]

*adds imagine to scum list*

I voted for Phate long time ago. The following from people on what DGB says is distrubing.

I was following you.

[Jack]

He is scummy, but he always is, so there needs to be more than that. He talks funny, like when he phrases things in question form even though he believes them. Makes him sound hesitant.

[Jack]

Is there something I am missing in Phate's two posts that is glaringly scummy that I am missing?

No, not really.

[Jack]

@Debonair Danny DiPietro, there were a couple reasons that I went with Phate as the lurker that was the most appealing to see if there was interest in lynching. The one that I think is most likely to appeal to you is that unlike most (all perhaps) of the others on the lurker list he's got his second post where he tries to look like he's following the game by asking a question that should have an obvious answer about DrippingGoofball's opinion. Given your reaction to Nicodemus's careless read of what DrippingGoofball said I thought it might appeal to you.

The others which I don't think are that likely to sway you are convenience (he was the lurker with a vote other than mine at the time) and because I wanted to see what DrippingGoofball would do when I brought him up as out of place for the rest of her reads.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

That's a lot of reasons. What did you expect to possibly learn from DGB?

[Jack]

##unvote:phate
##vote:Gamma

I liked that response.

[Jack]

Did RC just post a giant quote wall in which he complained about short posts creating too much noise? Yes. At least he sees gamma as scummy.

What would you say if I told you Gamma majorly scumslipped in our neighbor qt?

[Jack]

Scumlist:

Gamma
Red
Nico
FishyTheF

Town list:
a surprising number of people

[Jack]

Right about the math doesn't mean not-scum.

[Jack]

Cobalt is not posting in at least 2 other games.

[Jack]

Cobalt is not posting in at least 2 other games.

[Jack]

d3x has it in for me, but doesn't like reading.

Fishy, I meant what DDD said about your statistician stuff. I did the same thing in PYPII as mafia.

Gamma is a bit more town because I don't see saying "I have something to say before the lynch" as much of a mafia move, I guess it depends on what it is though.

[Jack]

Page 15, 11 up from the bottom.

What do you smell d3x?

[Jack]

recruit:DrippingGoofball

[Jack]

Sounds more like a scum reaction to me. The 2nd post where he accused DGB of being scum just sounds like he's trying to emphasize that he really believed the kill.

##unvote
##vote:popsofctown

Maybe scumbuddies with DGB, although everyone keeps yammering about DGB being obvtown like she couldn't play like this as scum.

[Jack]

He faked believing the kill to pass of his "good job, I'm a VT" comment as genuine.

[Jack]

What did I introduce?

Also, pops is blatantly BS'ing. Possible as a townie, but should be lynched.

[Jack]

Very few answered the question sadly. I don't think you have either.

[Jack]

Also, pops is blatantly BS'ing.

What makes you think that?

What use is that as a question? I may as well ask why you think he's telling the truth.

I gave the best detail I could--that his second post accusing you is a poor reason to suspect someone (but, coincidentally, a very good reason to think the daykill is fake--when he is pretending the opposite, and acting like he believes it is real). Since it seems unlikely that he would genuinely suspect someone for such a poor reason (how often do scum have daykills? It's at least unusual. Compare to how often town fake daykills) then we ask ourselves what other purpose could it be. Since most people know that fake daykills are done for reaction purposes at times, it is quite probably that pops knows that. And if pops is scum and knows that, and knows your playstyle also (which he does) he might easily go for the ploy of making as genuine sounding a response as he can. This (given that the reasoning is so poor as to be unlikelier than the alternative explanation that the daykill was fake) is clearly what happened.

[Jack]

Gosh people. Anyway I'm not particularly interested in Gamma or what people think about him right now.

[Jack]

That post is AKA "pops is blatantly BS'ing" btw.

[Jack]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 64&start=0

This is the one Red is using in his meta argument (one of the reasons he's scum btw).

[Jack]

Is that true? I was assuming they were masons, and that Jack thought his mason was scum.

Masons!?

[Jack]

The post specified neighbors.

[Jack]

The post specified neighbors.

What's the diff?

What do you mean?

[Jack]

DGB and Jack are engaged in discussing semantics. Neighbours is just unconfirmed alignment masons.

Now please contribute content.

Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 7:55 pm

Post subject: 3

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DGB and Jack are engaged in discussing semantics. Neighbours is just unconfirmed alignment masons.

Now please contribute content.

[Jack]

The reason I state that a fake Day-kill is wifom, is because, as per Day rule 4, Scum can day talk, so could have prepared before hand.

Going to iso fishy, multi-iso Jack/RC now.

You meant day rule 3 right? It's day rule 3.

[Jack]

That sucks, but it's been an unusually great D1.

Scumlist:

chronopie
pops
Red

Nico
FishyTheF

[Jack]

Nightless games are infinitely superior.

##vote:pops

[Jack]

Is this an "I got a guilty result on him" kind of "fishy isn't town"? "Non-hostile other" would be not town you know. Be more specific.

[Jack]

Is this an "I got a guilty result on him" kind of "fishy isn't town"? "Non-hostile other" would be not town you know. Be more specific.

*sigh*

Do I really need to give the "things like survivors are not town aligned so you lynch them" speech here?

I can't see me being enthused about a survivor lynch.

Anyway, it isn't clear yet whether fishy is scum or chrono is panicky scum.

Disliking Jack, UK, Fishy, VP/Plum.

Still don't see Fishy as particularly scummy.

I skim read Fishy's Iso, makes a few good points, few slightly scummy points, overall neutral assessment.

[Jack]

Ok...

all neutral roles are not aligned with the town, and will not play with the best interest of the town in mind. This is especially true if they have what they view as a win opportunity. A survivor will claim and vote with scum near the end of the game, jester will claim and just ask to be lynched by scum. No good comes from leaving a neutral player alive. They arent going to scumhunt, they arent going to ever help the town, they are just an anti-town role with no kill. So you lynch them.

I'd rather take a shot at scum than a known survivor. If there aren't any good leads then it makes sense obviously. And waiting to see if there's a vig makes sense too.

[Jack]

So it's proven that Jack lied about his role now, correct?

Who are you asking, and why are you asking rather than explicitly telling?

[Jack]

What was it you didn't like about Cobalt? Be specific

You are upset at being paired with Fishy it seems.

[Jack]

Did I say I liked Cobalt? Hmm I don't think I did.

What was it you didn't like? I mean, I can see not "liking" people who don't post and get replaced. But you found cobalt scummy? And yet object to specifics being asked about Chrono's role? And to Nico doubting Chrono?

[Jack]

Maybe I'm biased because I had a fairly recent game where someone soft claimed and accused, but the accused was a townie. And another game where someone went with a vague "pretty sure he's scum based on my role" type statement, which turned out be bogus, and the person who said it was scum.

Also, adding d3x to my scumlist so I don't forget.

[Jack]

Maybe I'm biased because I had a fairly recent game where someone soft claimed and accused, but the accused was a townie. And another game where someone went with a vague "pretty sure he's scum based on my role" type statement, which turned out be bogus, and the person who said it was scum.

Also, adding d3x to my scumlist so I don't forget.

[Jack]

Let's lynch pops.

[Jack]

Chronopie, why did you investigate Fishy?

[Jack]

For what it's worth, I ran a "pick your side" as a minigame on another site. 4 people chose townie and 3 people chose other.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Hmm, it's almost a shame with all the detail in that claim.

[Jack]

Yeah, no need to rush.

[Jack]

I get 526 by chronopie as being scummy. Third party speculation is off, because "his scumbuddies wouldn't let him" is not a good reason (it's not like they are dictating his every move). I get wanting to vote fishy. Don't get not reading the claim, and really don't get not mentioning chronopies claim.

[Jack]

I'm too curious not to wait farside.

[Jack]

If Fishy flips scum/doesn't have anything interesting to reveal it might be worth looking at who is absent from the site today (he could be buying time for them to submit orders).

[Jack]

It sounded like he was submitting some sort of day order.

@DGB: does charter skimread as town?

[Jack]

Having played scum in this format, the first quicklynch had us scrambling. But we managed it just fine and even threw in some things about quicklynching to stop scum actions iirc. It was set up so that any one of the scum could submit orders for everyone (as long as they didn't contradict orders sent by the others).

Given that llama had something to take care of that needed time, I think it's more likely that fishy is some sort of neutral role, and the action is not likely to be bad for town--I don't see why he'd have something like that. It's probably just some sort of pointless "only affects the playing for points crowd" but whatever, I just want to see what it is.

[Jack]

There is no rush.

[Jack]

Scummy player investigates someone for no apparent reason, doesn't start off posting the result, is vague, etc. I'm thinking he's just new though.

[Jack]

I think it's quite likely that a lot of people chose "other" and to balance the game they needed to be given a non-hostile type role, and fishy's claim fits the bill.

I would rather lynch pops, but it seems pointless to try when most people are just going to be all charter like.

[Jack]

I'm going to pretend llama didn't unvote and go

##unvote:pops
##vote:d3x

Unsure about zorblag.

[Jack]

##unvote
##Vote:Zorblag

DGB's recent post sounds quite plausible.

[Jack]

Hmm I'm a sucker for flattery, really like zor's fishy--gamma suggestion, don't particularly think SK is the top threat (given that last nights kills look more like vig + mafia) and that was DGB's accusation, and zor is in favor of a pops lynch which is cool.

##unvote

Also, the last person I saw start a day without claiming a result, then claim a guilty and say they hadn't checked their pm's, was a mafia traitor. Under fire + nothing to lose? The fact that people have been very protection of chrono + jumping all over Nico for rightly asking for clarification makes me suspicious too. The claim was vague and it is not terrible for a claimed town role to be suspected, if they aren't anywhere near being lynched. Best case they are actually scum, worst case...they are town and don't get lynched. Maybe they are let live a while longer even.

Farside, you will probably know what I'm thinking about if you claim "roleblocked" every night.

@Zor: what do you think of d3x?

I see scum who wasn't up to the effort of doing a real analysis and so made up an excuse for his "jack vs fishy--goes to fishy" bs. Then is all about answering questions people ask him "if I missed any please let me know" yadda yadda. Then he smells a mislynch with my QT thing and pushes that. He drops that completely the next day, pushes the fishy lynch but otherwise disappears.

vote:d3x

[Jack]

@DGB: I'm a happy camper too, this is a fun game. Don't see that as a strong argument. It's easy to mess up a meta read when a game is different than usual. This one is fast, has a fun setup, and cool players.

[Jack]

Right. Take a shot at scum today, and lynch Fishy tomorrow if he doesn't do the PGO thing. I don't see any strong argument for demanding his lynch today rather than tomorrow--and so, if there is just a small chance of him going through with the PGO thing then it is worthwhile. It also gives us some time to truly settle into the game, detective result--quicklynch days are kind of jarring.

[Jack]

Here's the thing about these "pick your..." games. People do funny things that you wouldn't predict. For kicks I ran a 7 player pick your power, and a 7 player pick your side on another site. In the pyp, 4 townies went for the same power, and in the pys, 3 went for other and none for scum.

So if you are zoraster, and a TON of people pick other, what would you do? You simply can't make them all SK's. The original pm said we would either be "town, mafia, or other". The actual setup is "town, mafia, other:hostile, other:non-hostile, unknown". This says to me that a bunch of people picked other. Probably there is some reason for it. Perhaps fishy can tell us why he picked other. Perhaps the thought of being on a scum team with unknown partners, going up against possibly multiple scum groups was off putting. Or maybe everyone who likes town picked town, and everyone who likes mafia knew that people know they like mafia, and didn't want to pick it.

Fact is, xvart's flip and the details from Fishy's claim make it likely that there is some side game going on with the non-hostile's. I've played in games with side quests for other factions. I think the best play is to go for out and out mafia.

The PGO is a decent solution, although realistically Fishy will only do it if he thinks he will be lynched the next day for not doing it. I think though, that even I would be fully behind a fishy lynch if we had told him to do it and he didn't.

[Jack]

Note that xvart is specifically "Speaker of the house

part of

the legislature". Indicating that he is part of a faction.

I would almost guarantee that mafia are either trying to ride this "lynch non-hostiles" horse as far as they can, or lurking like d3x to see how it turns out.

[Jack]

@Jack776, 779, 790- What's with the sudden bout of Vote jumping?

Do you think this discredits any argument I make against you?

Also, why wait this long to put together a case on me? You've apparently found me scummy for a while, what makes now special?

Do you think this discredits any argument I make against you?

You have no new 'evidence' in your case. Is it because Llama started with a Vote on me?

Do you think this discredits any argument I make against you?

Also, how is the QT thing on you an easy mislynch? I asked you to give more details on an apparent lie that you threw out. You never followed up on it with anyting and continued dodging questions about it.

Yeah, "apparent lies" are easier to question that actually trying to scumhunt.

And how is my 'player vs player' experiment not 'real analysis'? I offered to go into more detail for anyone who asked. No one asked. Thus my breakdown of Voting you was ultimately unquestioned.

Yes. That was exactly my point. You were unwilling to do the work, so you posted a bare bones deal, but you realized that it might look bad so you offered to go into more detail if anyone asked. If anyone had asked you could write something about that bit.

@Jack806- Going ~24hrs without posting is Lurking now? Tell you what, I'm not going to post within every 24 hours, so don't bother asking. I've got work, family, and drinking to take up my time.

You've said zip all day.

[Jack]

Arguing for fishy lynch = ok
ignoring everything else = anti-town

***********

##Vote:d3x

forgot the ##

[Jack]

What quote makes you think he is saying that? The more investigative roles we have claimed, the more likely it is that one of them is scum, don't you think.

[Jack]

Motive cop
Cop
Tracker

Anyway. Was zor complaining about there being a lot of town PR's?

[Jack]

Motive cop
Cop
Tracker

Anyway. Was zor complaining about there being a lot of town PR's?

So, 3. In a Large Theme.

Seems like 4 so far.

I don't believe Zor was complaining about town PRs.

Any PR, scum or town, is a danger to a SK.

I don't know what you're trying to get at here. As usual...

And what kind of alignment would complain about there being a lot of PRs?

We don't even know if there are a lot of PRs, only that we have a few out early. The thought didn't occur to me to tally up PRs in my head, even unconsciously, because PRs are a good thing. Now, if PRs were a bad thing for me, I would keep track, and maybe voice my displeasure out loud disguised as a neutral comment.

Who were you taking about here then?

[Jack]

Farside. Let's say, hypothetically, that for the next 6 days we have people claim non-hostile other, with reason to think that they really are non-hostile other. Maybe they all get outed by a role or something. Would you want to spend the next six days lynching them? That is what "not town = lynch" means.

Find some scum to go after, Fishy will be dead either tomorrow, that night (PGO), or the next day. I'm not worried about leaving an outed role alive. They interact with people.

Do you have any reason to think we don't have bigger fish to fry?

[Jack]

Hmm, precious few suspicions and pointedly admitting to a hypocritical vote.

[Jack]

How's the cult doing, Jack?

Apparently your immune

[Jack]

When did this happen?

A few days ago.
Am I the only one that wants all the non-obvtown people to claim?

These fishy type non-hostile other roles better claim well before L-1. Mafia can claim it now without worrying about a counterclaim. But are less likely to do so when only a few votes are on them.

[Jack]

Literally half of farside's posts are solely about how fishy should be lynched. She has said nothing else today.

[Jack]

@UK: didn't you answer your own question at the top of the page?

[Jack]

psst Coug, just paraphrase UK where she said "A scum tracker WOULD be something Vi would do. And any lynch that's not mafia is a mislynch FOR the mafia. "

[Jack]

The weirdness of his fishy explanation could fit with him being an "other" investigator from one of the factions opposed to fishy's.

His jump at claiming "town cop" is a bit odd, considering he didn't actually get a "guilty/innocent" type result.

[Jack]

Oh dammit Jack recruited SC in his no hostile cult .

Recruitment gives us the ability to talk publicly in the thread.

[Jack]

And for some reason that I can't wrap my head around, although the above is completely 100% obvious since page 1, all the wagons on him have frittered away for no reason whatsoever.

Wagons on cult leaders tend to do that after a night period

[Jack]

and I'll peg d3x as scum right now.

SCUM
d3x
Zorblag - SK

DGB. You know Zor is just going to talk himself out of the lynch anyway.

[Jack]

Fishy could be scum with a very well done fake claim. But if he is, he's outed scum and at worse we are giving the scum an extra roleblock or two. If we'd quicklynched him today we would have gotten jack in terms of reads on people. Now we have known scum in d3x who we can lynch.

[Jack]

Yeah, Nico is probably scum too.

[Jack]

##unvote
##vote:Nico

[Jack]

Oh right, most importantly...

TUNNELING ON FISHY WILL NOT CATCH SCUM!

But if you are a member of say, the legislature, and fishy is in the judiciary, who else would you vote for? I wonder what farside said about xvart.

[Jack]

Why the legislature? Very interesting choice.

xvart was in the legislature. Later I checked back to see if farside was linked in an incrimating way, but nothing better than weakly possible distancing.

[Jack]

She stuck on Phate while saying a bunch of stuff about xvart.

Llama post 162 leans me believing he is town and I like his case on xvart.
*note to self look at xvart in iso*
Xvart: Why is it scummy for someone to bring up a QT comment?

...

vote:phate

I had a few issues with xvart. The biggest issue is him focusing on the QT and trying to make it look scummy. Your case is good and it has xvart talking. I'm going with my gut read of phate based on how little he has said this game (meta) right now.

Why do you think that xvart isn't scummy?

Switches to pops later on.
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Saying xvart is suspicious but voting phate and then pops, never really doing anything with the xvart wagon, greatly increased activity to push fishy's lynch.


And lets not forget, fishy has claimed his faction has a track ability.

[Jack]

It's pretty obvious at this point that fishy is your alt.

[Jack]

Evidence in a minute, big post.

[Jack]

The "using the QT as evidence" didn't make any sense to me. I can't verify whether it makes any sense to you though.

[Jack]

He said 3 factions with 2 or more members. I think he may have said six or "at least six" later on.

[Jack]

I still don't get why farside thinks I'm accusing her of bussing. My theory was about her distancing with xvart, and attacking fishy because he's an opposing scum faction (of three legislature, executive etc). That is in no way her bussing fishy.

My guess is that she got confused because I worded it like "let's say farside is a member of the legislature and fishy is the judiciary" and farside actually is one of those and had that in mind when I was accusing her of bussing.

[Jack]

Do you object to the outing of non-hostile others? The point being is that those driving the fishy wagon probably have their own agenda. So we should focus on:

d3x
nico
pops

[Jack]

d3x is totally the lynch for today. Farsides vote switch is hilarious though.

[Jack]

farside is bussing troll (her SK partner).

[Jack]

hmm, but when did that wagon start? It didn't start on the 19.

[Jack]

Ani is really focused on the troll wagon it seems.

[Jack]

If I'd posted that 10 seconds earlier it would have looked a lot more insightful.

[Jack]

If zorblag got recruited and was the SK, could his kill be directed at mafia suspects?

[Jack]

Nico was scum here:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... start=1225

[Jack]

DGB's 1250 may have been right...but I can't say whether gut or strategy is the right way to go here.

[Jack]

Weird...let's lynch nico then.

[Jack]

Jack tried to recruit me last night, thank heavens from the JK.

IF that's the case then we call kill Jack because I really can't stand his smug avatar.

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The PGO claim was very good...scum with no daytalk would never go for that. Easy to forget how much more conniving scum are when they can plot constantly.