Mini 965 - Infection Mafia (Over)

[Pittbunny]

I'll bite.

Vote:Twomz

You've agreed with me a lot. It's a good reason to not trust you.

[TheLoneWolf]

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[Pittbunny]

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[Twomz]

1. Why would you lynch the person that was targeted the most?

To get as much information out of a 'random' lynch as possible (they will be connected to the most people, so we'll have more information when they turn up infected/not infected).

2. What is so scummy about not saying who you targeted?.

Nothing really... it's just that people who refuse to claim targets are going to be knots in the web of who targeted who and I thought it might be better to just 'cut them out' earlier rather than later.

You having no reads at all is a nice little neutral stance to take.

Almost all of the topics yesterday were mechanical... and held no sway in if someone was town or not to me. Everyone who didn't partake in the discussion lurked.

I'm still rusty from my absence, first game I played in when I came back I got lynched for the same thing... I dunno what's wrong with me, something must be up with my gut feeling.

Also, I'm getting kidnapped tomorrow morning for my Bachelor party, won't post after that until Wednesday morning... woohoo!

[Phate]

Votecount.
Twomz - 2 (TheLoneWolf, Pittbunny)
horrordude0215 - 1 (Nachomamma8)
TheLoneWolf - 1 (smashbro_of_the_SSS)
Not Voting - (cruelty, Grimmy, horrordude0215, Johnny Rotten, Kid Know Nothing, PatResults, Andrius, Twomz)

Andrius replaces superdemongob.

[Andrius]

Hi guys, I'm Andrius, replacing superdemongob, and I'll be reading up and posting, probably tomorrow.

[Grimmy]

Another point to make... if there was a successful doc protect, that means that the mafia now knows who the town doctor is...

How so?
I have never seen a game where the mafia was informed of who prevented thier kill the prior night.

Grimmy

[Phate]

In answer to Twomz:

You win when all other factions have left the game and at least one member of your faction is still in the game, or nothing can prevent the same.

Being infected does not change your faction or your win condition.

[PatResults]

Hello again Andrius. I somehow knew we would meet again.

[Grimmy]

I was giving some thought to the whole virus mechanic.

if I am the one who got visited the most, I think it would make me a target both for mafia and for docs in a night or two.

Here is why I say this.

If many people targetted me, the mafia may wish to NK me in order to stem off the virus from spreading too much out of control, since the odds say I would most likely be infected.

On the other side of the coin, having the doc visit me because i was visited so much would serve two purposes. It would heal me from the virus AND protect me from a NK.

but then it becomes a wifom issue because of both sides knowing this.

Damned if I do...

Grimmy
damned either way

Another theory

Since I am the most likely at the moment to be infected, I will pay a visit to the person I feel is the most scummy at the time of the night actions.

Ill post a quick list of potential targets closer to the end of day

Grimmy
painting a target on his chest, but may not go alone

[TheLoneWolf]

1. Why would you lynch the person that was targeted the most?

To get as much information out of a 'random' lynch as possible (they will be connected to the most people, so we'll have more information when they turn up infected/not infected).

2. What is so scummy about not saying who you targeted?.

Nothing really... it's just that people who refuse to claim targets are going to be knots in the web of who targeted who and I thought it might be better to just 'cut them out' earlier rather than later.

You having no reads at all is a nice little neutral stance to take.

Almost all of the topics yesterday were mechanical... and held no sway in if someone was town or not to me. Everyone who didn't partake in the discussion lurked.

I'm still rusty from my absence, first game I played in when I came back I got lynched for the same thing... I dunno what's wrong with me, something must be up with my gut feeling.

Also, I'm getting kidnapped tomorrow morning for my Bachelor party, won't post after that until Wednesday morning... woohoo!

1. Infected status does

not

reveal on death. Why the hell would we "random" lynch today?
2. Policy lynch on D2? Over a weak policy that has never been seen before (as this is the first game of its kind)
3. We had a lynched townie, and you're saying you can't get a single read?

Go wagon go.

[horrordude0215]

1. Infected status does

not

reveal on death. Why the hell would we "random" lynch today?

Fail?

19. An infected player's infection status is revealed when they die.

[Pittbunny]

Ill post a quick list of potential targets closer to the end of day

Don't bother. Keep it a secret; I've got a secondary plan I'd like to try which is a lot easier on the town's part to participate in.

That is to say, town simply will not choose for their Visit mechanic. My opinion is that the best way to play the mechanics are extremely; either we go at it ordered and to the letter, or say "Screw it" and let fate take its course. One situation leads to the most mafia tripups, but is one we've lost the opportunity to try, the other makes mafia, the informed majority, a bit more uninformed as to just what the hell goes on at night.

[Nachomamma8]

And what advantages are behind door #2?

[Andrius]

Hello again Andrius. I somehow knew we would meet again.

Why hello there! Its been awhile, lol.

I say we lynch vrtra and LordChronos, who are the scum.

Moving along...

So yeah. I read the thread, and I had a load of trouble remembering that this was a mafia game. I like strategy games above all, so most of my focus revolved around the INFECTION OF DEATH!!! rather than mafia and such.

@ Phate:
-According to Rule #19, shouldn't Johnny Rotten have flipped "Clean" or "Infected"?

-Also, the Role PMs for Doctor, Vigilante, and Mafia Doctor don't list "Visit" as one of the abilities. Does this mean they cannot visit someone?

-It seems as though, from reading the Role PMs and Mod Notes, that all the Mafia Players cannot possibly start the game Infected. Is this correct?

-Finally, the Mafia Goons (Mafioso) are required to Visit someone each night. Does the Mafia NK have the potential to transfer the Infection as well? What I'm saying is if

Mafioso A

does the Mafia NK against

Player B

, does the Mafioso have the chance to contract the Infection from

Player B

?

The earliest that we can have an Infection-Death is D3, given that any possible players who started the game with the Infection- if they did not visit a Doctor- would die D3.

@ Phate: You still have Johnny Rotten listed in your latest VoteCount.

I'm trying to piece together just how big the scale is, aka, how fast we could all be infected and killed.

I'll have to reread the threat, for scumhunting, later. Its late now.

[Andrius]

Hello again Andrius. I somehow knew we would meet again.

Why hello there! Its been awhile, lol.

I say we lynch vrtra and LordChronos, who are the scum.

Moving along...

So yeah. I read the thread, and I had a load of trouble remembering that this was a mafia game. I like strategy games above all, so most of my focus revolved around the INFECTION OF DEATH!!! rather than mafia and such.

@ Phate:
-According to Rule #19, shouldn't Johnny Rotten have flipped "Clean" or "Infected"?

-Also, the Role PMs for Doctor, Vigilante, and Mafia Doctor don't list "Visit" as one of the abilities. Does this mean they cannot visit someone?

-It seems as though, from reading the Role PMs and Mod Notes, that all the Mafia Players cannot possibly start the game Infected. Is this correct?

-Finally, the Mafia Goons (Mafioso) are required to Visit someone each night. Does the Mafia NK have the potential to transfer the Infection as well? What I'm saying is if

Mafioso A

does the Mafia NK against

Player B

, does the Mafioso have the chance to contract the Infection from

Player B

?

The earliest that we can have an Infection-Death is D3, given that any possible players who started the game with the Infection- if they did not visit a Doctor- would die D3.

@ Phate: You still have Johnny Rotten listed in your latest VoteCount.

I'm trying to piece together just how big the scale is, aka, how fast we could all be infected and killed.

I'll have to reread the threat, for scumhunting, later. Its late now.

[Kid Know Nothing]

I was giving some thought to the whole virus mechanic.

if I am the one who got visited the most, I think it would make me a target both for mafia and for docs in a night or two.

Here is why I say this.

If many people targetted me, the mafia may wish to NK me in order to stem off the virus from spreading too much out of control, since the odds say I would most likely be infected.

On the other side of the coin, having the doc visit me because i was visited so much would serve two purposes. It would heal me from the virus AND protect me from a NK.

but then it becomes a wifom issue because of both sides knowing this.

Damned if I do...

Grimmy
damned either way

Another theory

Since I am the most likely at the moment to be infected, I will pay a visit to the person I feel is the most scummy at the time of the night actions.

Ill post a quick list of potential targets closer to the end of day

Grimmy
painting a target on his chest, but may not go alone

From what I understand, the doc's protection didn't cure the infection. Only visiting the doc does. Though I could be wrong.

Mod: If the doc saves an infected on the night they are supposed to die, do they continue to live?

Thought that was an acceptable question, seeing as that could change a lot of things.

Will be re-reading shortly, looking at the Rotten wagon. Etc, etc.

[smashbro_of_the_SSS]

I believe that the doctor's choosing to heal someone is considered a visit, but not sure.

[smashbro_of_the_SSS]

...

mod

? can we get some prods goin on? I don't have much new to say myself, but we (the people who have posted) need some of the other players to join in again.

[Kid Know Nothing]

Ah, SSSS. Let me clarify.

Mod: If the doctor visits an infected on the night that the infected is meant to die, does the infected continue to live? Can a Doctor prevent someone from dying from an infection?

Seems like important info.

[Grimmy]

I would also like to see the mods answers to the questions posed to him.

Grimmy

[Twomz]

1. Been discussed multiple times in the thread. This is basic game info that you should know, reread the rules man >.<

2 and 3. I'd consider it an information lynch... how can you have a policy on a situation that hasn't come up before? And I agree that it's shitty that an information lynch is even being considered on day 2, I'd much rather have a wagon or two going and get information that way, but it seems as if no one has any leads. It seems as if the votes on me are there because I voiced that fact rather than any real thought that I'm acting scummy.

Also,

##Vote: Cruelty

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[Grimmy]

Couple more questions.

even though it may seem like im digging myself into my own grave, would the town as a whole benefit from the lynch of someone who has been visited the most?

someone crunch the numbers to see if lynching the most probable infected infecting other townies vs. thier chances/odds of infecting mafia.

while it may seem self serving, I think the more chances of hitting a mafia with either a lynch OR disease outweighs the risk of continuing the town infection.

Another theory that came to mind is that mayeb the mafia didnt bother to try a NK last night because they figured we would infects oursevles if we followed the planned list. In this case, we may be able to narrow down who the mafia would be, as they would purposely set it to visit each other as a group to both protect themselves from infected from the town as well as having their own doctor heal them one by one.

Grimmy

[Pittbunny]

@Grimmy - It depends ENTIRELY on how the Visit mechanic works. Depending on the visit order, a player that has been purported to be visited the most can either spread the infection to the entire town, or just barely get infected, or somewhere in the middle. We're not in a current state to really know. In any case, a frequently visited player is not particularly worthy of being more of a lynch target than any other status, as it's frankly player choice if they want to continue visiting the player. The damage, if any, gets done in one night, so it's not like we should prioritize mass-targeted players. If anything, believing such makes it easier for mafia to push mislynches, and nothing else. Hence, I think it would be a fallacious thought process.


And yes, it would make sense for mafia to retract from killing should an organized plan be established, and more importantly, followed. It minimizes contact, and allows wagons to stew without any particular effort. However, we didn't have enough time to set up a plan yesterday and establish the pairings of it (hence my disappointment). This is one reason I'm liking the idea of a completely chaotic visit scheme, because it absolutely trashes one avenue of mafia play while still providing some degree of actual town benefit.

Also note that mafia cannot visit each other.

[Twomz]

I'm pretty sure if they didn't submit a kill it would get sent out randomly.