Of Gods And Men (GAME OVER!)

[Mighty Orbots]

vote: Tar

Weird-ass game, must be done. Wagon gogogo.

Also, Troll will be along presently to actually contribute something insightful.

Also also, per rule 19: Smeg all you smeggy smegheads.

[Mighty Orbots]

Blah, look, I've already screwed up.

vote: Tar

inb4 doublevote speculation

[Mighty Orbots]

I love this game already.

Hurp durp of course, I'm in it.

Oh.

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:

Might Orbots is a Papa Zito/Zorblag hydra, in case anyone wasn't aware. Also, if you can't tell which one of us is posting plz have your head examined kthx.

Bandwagon gogogo.

Fail. CMAR bandwagon is the obv Tar counterwagon.

[Mighty Orbots]

Good day. This is the Zorblag head of Mighty Orbots. You'll be able to tell which posts are mine because I sign them among various other reasons if you have even a passing familiarity with the posting styles of Papa Zito and I. You're welcome to ask questions of me personally (I respond to Zorblag, Zorb, Zor, Z and Troll fairly well) as well as the Mighty Orbots account in general. Papa Zito is largely going to be in charge of casting our votes though I'll be giving him input both in the thread (to a small degree) and in our hydra quick topic (to a much greater degree) as the game goes.

If you've got any questions about my play you can look at all my past games in my wiki. There are links the couple games Mighty Orbots has been in down just about the quotes section.

@SpyreX, the explanation of the vote shift is nice. Am I to take it from what you said that the votes are treated as an ability as far as you know? Or are you saying that all abilities as well as votes are shifted by two players? Does the shift apply to passive abilities and reactive abilities as well as active (I think the answer to that should be obvious but I'd like to confirm.)

@Albert B. Rampage, one scum group made of gods (probably of different pantheons) with 4 members and one of other types (and possibly one divinity leading it) of 5 seems like it could fit the game size and flavor. I'd assume that there's at least one player/faction that's neither town nor mafia but I don't see why I'd have to assume scum for that at this time. If you want to bend the game to your will at the start it's fine with me so long as you get reactions from the players. That's why I like you in a game anyhow and I don't have any good reason to pick some group to worship based on information that I've got right now anyhow. I don't need to trust you to give you some power and see what you do with it.

@ortolan, your entrance to the game is pretty interesting. At some point discussing it will be a good idea; if you're convinced that's not now I can wait.

Fate's initial play is probably too ballsy for scum though I don't know his play well.

I expect SaintKerrigan to find this post suspicious just because I'm the one making it and it's how he reacts to me.

I'd like it if no one was allowed to slip through the cracks participation-wise. I will be taking lurking as scummy; the rest of you can object to that if you like.

Iecerint is perhaps a bit long on talk about the game and filler rather than suspicion but it is clearly a complicated game. He does get some content in with some of his latter posts and although I'm not sure I agree with his directions I can live with it. I don't think he's a good lynch at this time.

rajrhcpfreak on the other hand does look like a nice place to build a bandwagon based on the little I see.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@SpyreX, could you check with the mod about the passives?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

unvote: Tarhalindur
vote: SpyreX

Still want a Tar wagon. This kind of crap is his fault.

I am Delirium/Delight of the Endless

! I JUST used that role in a game on another site. Although as a Dreaming God-style, not whatever this is.

Re: ABR. I read War in Heaven so I'm leery of him running anything. Just be Very Useful and we're cool.

The amount of noise in six pages is incredible. P.S. Don't buy the DTM PR. uhhhhhh need moar data.

[Mighty Orbots]

@Fate, I've come to realize that assuming I have even an average influence on the votes of others is a good way to be wrong. As for the lurking. I'm mostly planning to complain about it as we go; Papa Zito drives the votes.

@SpyreX, thanks for the clarification.

@Iecerint, you're welcome to disagree but I see coming in with the flippant claim which will draw attention that his victory condition requires that the good guys be gone as ballsy. Again, I don't know his play well but he's not laying low at all here.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

SCOOP SCOOP

Endless are the Great Old Ones on the chart.

I don't know if they're ALL of them, but.

+1 good infos.

I wonder if we can worship them even if they're not on the list.

Actually, MO, your vote is scummy. Tar influenced the roles. That doesn't make Tar scum.

Your mom is scummy. Almost as scummy as calling someone's RVS vote scummy, but not as scummy as calling someone scummy and not voting them.

Like dis here.

unvote: SpyreX
vote: Iecerint

(DTM)

BTW, Faraday voters need to fix kthx.

[Mighty Orbots]

hurp durp they are on the list. Nevermind.

You lucky lucky lucky dog. Ahem. Great Old Ones = Endless? That's some strange going on - Zito, you're more familiar with the series; does this ring a bell? If not Great Old Ones is likely as not to include a big bunch of Enfless and Lovecraftian and whatnot gods, as far as my speculation goes.

Great Old Ones usually conjures up images of Cthulhu etc. But I guess theoretically you could call them that. Also I can't picture any of them being "evil" so.

[Mighty Orbots]

^^ SpyreX owes me rent for living in my head.

[Mighty Orbots]

Jesus, the walls. On page < 10.

This makes you number 2 for being so angry at the Tar vote. What happened to voting Tar because he inspired this game? Huh huh? I'm pretty sure we're past the RVS stage once we started scum hunting.

Your vote, at scum hunting stage, is scummy because it just backtracks onto Tar for policy. This isn't mind screw big buddy.

lolwut. Your PR is not making coherent sentences?

Tar vote was random vote. Then moved because voting shenanigans were revealed. But then moved to you since you're this huge cloud of white noise and I don't buy your PR so you're a better spot for it.

Also I agree with Iec. Woopwoop.

[Mighty Orbots]

@DTMaster, you know, I've played with you before. You're not this bad at reading so I assume you're intentionally misinterpreting things I guess. You're picking out Saint Kerrigan as someone who I (Zorblag) said was scummy (when I pretty clearly said nothing of the sort, I just said that he'd suspect me) and then acting as though Papa Zito (who's the one casting the votes here and who I've said I'm simply advising on that front) should be voting for them over someone else for some reason. Now why would you try to push that idea?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@DTMaster, let's do this one thing at a time, shall we? Where do you think Mighty Orbots said Saint Kerrigan is scummy? You seem to be offended by us saying something along those lines and not pushing it but it's simply not something either of us have ever indicated.

We can talk about your hydra expectations and what it's reasonable to push lynch-wise after that if you like.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Spy: Mina is town. Cast thy nets elsewhere.

@Mighty Orbots: why do you think that DTMaster might be faking his posting restriction? (Upon reading closely, I think his attack on you for not voting SK was a blatant misrep--maybe I take back the "leaning town"--but you seem to have pulled this out of nowhere.)

Here's my problem.

DTM is going absolutely berserk ITT. And a lot of what he's posting is absolute nonsense. It's antitown to the extreme even without the retarded posting restriction, but (and here I agree with chrono) throw that in and it's just a big scumfest.

If I had that PR I'd just say what I want to say and throw something retarded at the end. But I'm town so.

Actually I am 100% serious. Fate is definitely 3rd-party.

ORLY?


Site + proxy is a nightmare.

26 Iecerint (1) - Parama, Mighty Mighty Mighty Orbots

XD

[Mighty Orbots]

@Spy: Mina is town. Cast thy nets elsewhere.

@Mighty Orbots: why do you think that DTMaster might be faking his posting restriction? (Upon reading closely, I think his attack on you for not voting SK was a blatant misrep--maybe I take back the "leaning town"--but you seem to have pulled this out of nowhere.)

Here's my problem.

DTM is going absolutely berserk ITT. And a lot of what he's posting is absolute nonsense. It's antitown to the extreme even without the retarded posting restriction, but (and here I agree with chrono) throw that in and it's just a big scumfest.

If I had that PR I'd just say what I want to say and throw something retarded at the end. But I'm town so.

Actually I am 100% serious. Fate is definitely 3rd-party.

ORLY?


Site + proxy is a nightmare.

26 Iecerint (1) - Parama, Mighty Mighty Mighty Orbots

XD

[Mighty Orbots]

Holy hell DTM. Stop drinking.

1. RVS vote was made on

page 1

.
2. Vote was corrected later once vote shenanigans were discovered.
3.

IN YOUR NEXT POST QUOTE WHERE MIGHTY ORBOTS SAYS THAT SAINT KERRIGAN IS SCUMMY GOGOGO

Also I'm keeping an eye on who's following your little charade.

[Mighty Orbots]

@Fate, I assume that it's a mistake in the vote count (possibly it's the one that's moved to Faraday, has anyone explained that being there yet?) I don't know of anything we've done which would cause our vote not to act in the normal manner (though calling this games voting normal is a stretch.) I think the vote on Iecerint is from Faraday.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@MO
1.Sorry, I misread your point on SK

Oh good. And it only took you 3 requests to admit it too. Ho hum.

SK should be attacking you, according to this post. You on the other hand find raj a good starting point to begin scum hunting (Seen in bold). Replace SK in my arguments to Raj

Oh FFS. We're expected to lead every bandwagon? We can't make suggestions to the town?

Fail. CMAR bandwagon is the obv Tar counterwagon.

... like what I did here?

Competing bandwagons are tech. This is a stupid argument.

If you weren't following the people who approved of me then I'd be dissipointed in your scum hunting. If you were genuinely scum hunting then I'd expect you to establish links or establish other persons as scum.

I'm not even sure what this means.

HAY DTM ANSWER THIS HERE.

I have a post restriction to swear like a sailor and insult people.

but

The themes are gods and men. I'm a man (girl). Flavour is from everywhere. I'll name claim because this is going to distract the town from the scummah players with flavour analysis..

I'm Hitgirl from Kickass .

@EL
well it looks more like Dram is voteless, but I think it's just an error (see his quote) Kathy has 0 when Dram is 2 spots above Kathy voting for her/him/it.

You've broken your supposed PR twice now, but nothing seems to have happened? Now why would that be?

---

@Nik: I think the real question is why wait to lynch scum at all?

[Mighty Orbots]

@MO
1.Sorry, I misread your point on SK

Oh good. And it only took you 3 requests to admit it too. Ho hum.

SK should be attacking you, according to this post. You on the other hand find raj a good starting point to begin scum hunting (Seen in bold). Replace SK in my arguments to Raj

Oh FFS. We're expected to lead every bandwagon? We can't make suggestions to the town?

Fail. CMAR bandwagon is the obv Tar counterwagon.

... like what I did here?

Competing bandwagons are tech. This is a stupid argument.

If you weren't following the people who approved of me then I'd be dissipointed in your scum hunting. If you were genuinely scum hunting then I'd expect you to establish links or establish other persons as scum.

I'm not even sure what this means.

HAY DTM ANSWER THIS HERE.

I have a post restriction to swear like a sailor and insult people.

but

The themes are gods and men. I'm a man (girl). Flavour is from everywhere. I'll name claim because this is going to distract the town from the scummah players with flavour analysis..

I'm Hitgirl from Kickass .

@EL
well it looks more like Dram is voteless, but I think it's just an error (see his quote) Kathy has 0 when Dram is 2 spots above Kathy voting for her/him/it.

You've broken your supposed PR twice now, but nothing seems to have happened? Now why would that be?

---

@Nik: I think the real question is why wait to lynch scum at all?

[Mighty Orbots]

FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU let's move to the new server already goddamn.

[Mighty Orbots]

SpyreX, your Mina read is off. I also disagree with you about Iec.

Nik's Parama thing is META. /ignore

@Mighty Orbots: Did you read my post 331? Why did you ignore it?

Nothing worth responding to?

Yay you caught me getting a warning.

What happens if you break it again? Also:

1. In my Name claim Ass is a swear and it's part of Kickass, so that part is moot.

Is it? I thought you said:

7. Dick. Cunt. Fuck. Cock. I must mention some form of these swears in my PR.

Another thing, I thought:

I have a post restriction to swear like a sailor and

insult people

.

(emphasis mine) Why have the insults stopped?

[Mighty Orbots]

SpyreX, your Mina read is off. I also disagree with you about Iec.

Nik's Parama thing is META. /ignore

@Mighty Orbots: Did you read my post 331? Why did you ignore it?

Nothing worth responding to?

Yay you caught me getting a warning.

What happens if you break it again? Also:

1. In my Name claim Ass is a swear and it's part of Kickass, so that part is moot.

Is it? I thought you said:

7. Dick. Cunt. Fuck. Cock. I must mention some form of these swears in my PR.

Another thing, I thought:

I have a post restriction to swear like a sailor and

insult people

.

(emphasis mine) Why have the insults stopped?

[Mighty Orbots]

@Beholder, terribly sorry about that last post. This is a repost from the correct account if you'd like to delete the first one. If that happens you might as well delete this note at the start as well.

@Albert B. Rampage, I assume that you're opposed to people not choosing any of the pantheons to worship when you're making your recommendation. Did you take the no worship option into account when making your list?

@Tarhindalur, interesting. Did you take into account the action shift with whatever you did that you think clears DTMaster? If not then you probably think that you're clearing Iecerint with whatever you did which would be interesting on it's own. In any case, I do expect that Papa Zito will be moving our vote next time he's about. If leaving it there now was likely to cause harm I'd move it but I think we're fine for now.

@Plum, Papa Zito and I have talked some about Mina in our quick topic and we do agree that she's much more likely to be town than scum at this point. She's trying to figure out what's going on in a complicated game while also showing awareness that we don't want scum to simply know what people's roles are from the outset for the most part. The questions are in areas that are potentially important to know about and the general level of of attention to detail is pretty good. She doesn't need to be drawing as much attention to herself as she is. On the whole we think that package is much more likely to come from a town player. A concise answer would be pretty sure.

I singled out Ortolan's entrance rather than DTMaster's because Ortolan was the one who said that the reasons for his entrance shouldn't be discussed. That's not a very satisfying answer; eventually we will definitely what to know why we've added players in the game. DTMaster has been the focus since then largely because he's been about and doing things that both Papa Zito and I haven't liked.

@DTMaster, we're focused on the post restriction largely because neither of us particularly believe it. I don't know why you'd assume that everyone would think that a violation would result in a removal of powers; there's really no one standard that I know of that gets applied to broken PR's. Actually, according to you, now that you've violated it (at least twice) you now say that you've gotten a warning and are no longer able to talk in a QT. Neither of those is the least bit verifiable to the rest of us which sort of goes against this:

Oh well, if I get a rules infraction it'll confirm my PR. Cunts. Onwards to the scum hunting.

I also see posts 280, 542 and 543 lack cursing? Are we supposed to take it that the latter two were counted as a single post for some reason?

@dramonic, you seem to have objected to potential hydra play in a pretty reasonable way so I'll respond to you about it. Papa Zito and I aren't going to clear everything in our quick topic before we post in this thread so there won't be a complete sync of ideas in the game thread. On the other hand, we are discussing the major issues and we won't be having huge arguments in the thread. In the case of Papa Zito fixing his early vote for Tarhalindur (who hadn't posted at the time) rather than voting for rajrhcpfreak after I said he'd make a fine early wagon based on what little I'd seen the reactions that we're getting seem overblown. I've got no trouble with people calling us on disagreements where we're pulling in different directions and distracting the town but this is a case of pretty minor reads and early votes (and we've only got one to cast no matter how many people we find tempting to vote for between us.)

@totallynotmafia, you've pretty claim affiliation in some way with one of the pantheons. Do you know which players are in that pantheon at this point? I think I should know the answer based on what others are saying about other things but I'd like to have you confirm it.

@SpyreX, I think that it's pretty clear what Mina is trying to say in terms of daytalking in quick topics. At least I think it should be to anyone who isn't in a quick topic. It's fascinating that you say you're not in a quick topic and also seem not to be getting what she's about. Or do I misunderstand your level of understanding?

@Mina, as far as suspicions go I think ortolan is a reasonable place to look (conveneintly enough), SaintKerrigan's Post 488 raises alarms for me (he apparently thinks that Fate looks scummy but won't be interested in voting for him) and he's spent a huge portion of his effort focused on how worship votes work compared to scumhunting, Parama appears to be defending me for reasons that I can't see which I don't trust. I don't see much reason to like Chronopie's play at this point so he'd make my list as well. From what I see in our quicktopic it looks like I'm a bit more leery of Iecerint than Papa Zito is and at this point I'd put him behind the other four I mentioned anyhow so that's fine. There are also a number of people who just haven't been about enough: CryMeARiver; Kairyuu*; Snow_Bunny.

*Kairyuu has pretty decent reasons for not being about and is being replaced but I do still need to see more from that spot to come to any conclusions.

@Elscouta, as Papa Zito said, there really wasn't anything worth replying to in your post 331. On the whole it seems you've got curious ideas about what filler is and what would or wouldn't be worth talking about and you seem to be focused on us for what I think are unimpressive reasons but I'm waiting to see what you'll do now that nothing much is coming of it.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@SpyreX, I agree, daytalking in quick topics shouldn't on it's own be surprising. I don't think anyone in the game should think it is. And yet Mina seems to be emphasizing the daytalking in a surprised manner. Unless you think that she's a completely oblivious player (and given the details she's looking at I don't think that's a great assumption) there should be a reason why she'd bring that up the way she did. I can come up with one easy reason to think that right away and it's one that I think anyone not in a quick topic of their own should be able to come up with as well.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Zito had a great holiday weekend until the mosquito swarm, thanks for asking.

All right. Zito of MO, I'm looking at you (preferably, I'll take Troll if it must be so): How sure are you that SpyreX's scum read on Mina is off? You're just saying things, and sometimes there's reason for doing that, but I want a number before I'm comfortable with you saying things the way you've been doing.

I kinda like that. "Zito of MO." Like a title.

Oh, I'm fairly confident about Mina. Syreen-kiss confident, almost.


y halo thar Chronopie.

unvote: Iec

(DTM)

vote: manho

(Chrono)

Chrono, scumlist with reasoning plz. In the meantime, I'd invite everyone to look at him in iso.

P.S. Ort wagon is a good wagon that we support.

[Mighty Orbots]

I love this page. This is the best page.

Seriously MO this is what you're protecting.

Troll is probably gnashing teeth and rending garments (?) in his cave right now, but he's being nice about it in the QT.

I'm a bit of a maverick. Um.

Okay awesome. But what Spy said: Mina's important scum or whatever we not only have to lynch you

<3

but I dunno how much I'll be able to trust you with important things, sweet.

</3

If there's shenanigans I'll take my lumps and then you'll just be more mad when I flip. My judgement's not always the best BUT I think we're cool here.

[Mighty Orbots]

Voting the biggest bandwagon which is getting up towards lynch count just for the sake of voting doesn't look good. Not sure what to mkae of your honesty. Eh.

This is the part where DGB would declare him absolute town.

Zito: All I'm saying is that I respect what you say when you're give or take willing to invoke the Syreen kiss, and if you use it where it shouldn't be used it'll be showing disdain for it, which obviously would be </3 over here (I guess I'd forgive you if you used it as scum, but I'd never trust it again, so).

OH well we're golden then.

[Mighty Orbots]

@SpyreX, that is what we're defending yes. Actually, I don't think any reasonable scum would have made that last unvote so I'd be happy enough with it anyhow but that's beside the point.

@Mina, let us worry about our reads. And SpyreX is right, you should be attacking not defending now. Find scum; that's how town wins these things.

@SaintKerrigan, I'll start with the more important thing. There's no way that you should hold off voting for someone you find scummy in a large game because you're worried that they've got some role where getting lynched helps them. It's just not going to happen enough to be worthwhile and it's much better to try to lynch people that you think are acting scummy. I strongly suggest you drop that line of reluctance to lynch.

As for your focus on the worship votes, I didn't say you weren't looking at anything else, you are. In fact, since I made my post you've been pretty good at looking at other things. Prior to my post though you had at least as much talk about the worship dynamic as any scum hunting. You also clearly hadn't dropped it when I made that post as the last post you had prior to that was Post 538 which I'd hardly call having dropped the topic. I do pay some attention to what happens in these games.

Regarding DTMaster and his claimed post restriction, he was the one that said that he'd have the post restriction confirmed with his first infraction. That clearly hasn't happened. Dropping details like that lets scum get away with things that I'd rather not let them get away with. In this case there are enough reasons not to be putting direct pressure on him that I'm not planning to but it's not something which should be ignored in the long run.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Caaaaan you feeeeeel the looooooove toniiiight?

Thing is, I'm not joking, you can try to lynch me if you want, good luck
Also, just received info that hey, the Old Ones aren't as bad as we thought.

I'd love to call this bluff. But I want more dead Chronos.

You "just" received info? You're an unkillable information role? lol?

[Mighty Orbots]

CMAR, we can just lynch you again from Limbo. You realize that right? And you may have more posts but they're just as vapid.

Woo, I like that word. Vapid. I need to use that one more.

I'm gonna jump the gun here a bit. Troll can chastise me later. Mina, we're still looking forward to the ABR post.

unvote: manho

(Chronopie)

vote: CMAR

(Ort)

No, we don't reward temper tantrums. Sorry.

P.S. Someone shoot Chrono for me TIA.

[Mighty Orbots]

I'd like to wait to get a chance to talk with Papa Zito before saying this but it looks like it'll be better for the town if I make it public right away.

I've got a 1-shot role cop/sane alignement cop investigation result on Saint Kerrigan that says he was Set (which we can all see) and town (which people seem to be assuming isn't the case.)

I agree with the sentiment that he was a decent kill for a vig (though I'm not certain that was the case.) He made a good target for an investigation based on his play.

Two other things of note would be as follows:

1. If that worship count at the start of the day is right there's no way it could have come from 28 or fewer worship votes if all are weighted the same. There's either a mistake or something beyond just the votes being cast.

2. With SpyreX out of the game we should now have our votes and actions go where we place them. I can confirm that actions were affected (we targeted Plum with our investigation last night assuming that it would land on Saint Kerrigan.) The following vote is just to confirm that the shift is now gone.

Vote: Mighty Orbots

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Tarhalindur, it's pretty unlikely that SaintKerrigan was a bomb or PGO or anything that would kill their targets given that I survived targeting him just fine. I suppose maybe he only tried to kill people trying to kill him but it's much more likely that if you've lost one of your protections it was someone else targeting you. As far as my claim goes, you can doubt it if you like but it seems to me that it would be incredibly short sighted of me to lie about this were I scum.

@Chronopie, you seem to have missed it despite my putting it in bold and the discussion which resulted after I brought it up but I got a sane alignment cop result of town for SaintKerrigan. Unless he's a non-godfather (as Tarhalindur killed him and is still in the game) scum who doesn't investigate normally for some other reason the Egyptian Pantheon hasn't lost a scum member yet. I'd also be pretty leery of assuming that a six person scum team would have to be one god from each of the four pantheons and two men. It's possible but unless someone else has information I don't there's no reason to assume that has to be the distribution.

@Snow_Bunny, SpyreX was upfront with his ability and actively participating in the game (unlike far too many players.) His ability was a bit of a pain but thanks to the information he provided it was completely possible to work around it. He would not have been my first choice for a vig at all.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

So playing around with the numbers a little bit I think that the smallest number of equally weighted worship votes that could result in the distribution we got for night one would be 44. Rounded to the nearest tenth of a percent you'd get exactly those numbers from the following:

24/44 GOO
12/44 Egyptian
5/44 Norse
3/44 J-CA

Clearly something extra gets done with the worship votes. I further know that Mighty Orbots chose not to submit a worship vote yesterday (in part to see what would happen with the numbers when worship was withheld.) At this time I don't have enough information to speculate on what happened in a useful way.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Iecerint, is that based on public information somewhere that I've missed or do you know something in particular that I don't on the topic?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Iecerint, OK, fair enough. If we had 12 gods with one vote each and 16 men with two that would work out assuming that people got assigned to worship somehow if they didn't submit it themselves (and I could see 3 gods in the game for each Pantheon as a plausible.) 1:3 gods:men would allow more flexibility for how things play out for unused votes and numbers of gods. At some point a mass divinity claim might be helpful but I don't think it's the time for it now. I'm not going to spend too much time in thread on speculation beyond that for now but I figured I should share the information we can get from the numbers themselves (for those who aren't inclined to crunch them.)

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Plum, that'd be a pretty surprising cult recruitment mechanic given how public it is. As soon as we figured it out everyone that got recruited would be outed.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

He did, Dram. Very first word in the post, in fact.

I'm caught up from the weekend. Our vote's gonna move to Chronopie as soon as we get a votecount that confirms vote shenanigans are gone.

@Chronopie: Scumlist plz.

[Mighty Orbots]

VasudeVa

Vasawhata?

This name is vaguely dirty.

no lynch.
it would be nice to figure out why there was a no lynch.

Good post except this bit. We have someone (Katy) claiming Ort is town, so there's no reason to out this.


I like the DarkStalker votes muchly. I'd go there but.

@Tar: Please help me with a couple things.

If somebody else gets rid of the Mafia Godfather within three days, I become town.

Because SaintKerrigan is dead and I'm still in the game. Next question?

and

I've already used one of them, and thanks to that I'm reasonably sure that DTMaster is town

DTM shares my win condition (unsurprisingly, since I'm the reason he's in the game).

@Mod: Votecount plz

[Mighty Orbots]

It should be clear from what was said yesterday anyhow but at this point I'll make it official that I've got a quick topic with Mina. It's noteworthy in part because we are not allowed to daytalk in it so not all quick topics do allow day talk.

As she's not about just now to claim her worship I'll share that she said she would be worshiping the Great Old Ones for her.

It's also probably worth pointing out that those in Limbo aren't targetable by the actions of others (unless a role overrides that for some reason.) They count towards win conditions and can be lynched but that's about it. For example, I assume that being in Limbo stopped Albert B. Rampage's census ability from targeting Mina and she isn't on the list of numbers per faction despite still being alive.

@Plum, even if killing recruits doesn't kill the cult it'd still be a pretty silly recruitment mechanism for a cult to out their members as they're recruited. I realize that Albert B. Rampage said modified but I just don't think it's at all reasonable to think that (or anything which would publicly identify all the recruits in the game thread as they happen) would be the modification.

@ooba, while you're working with them remember that I'm not positive that we're dealing with 44 worship votes. That's just the least number that we could be working with to get the percents we got at the start of the day.

@VasudeVa, do you know why you replaced in for Elscouta? He posted this morning and didn't give any indication that he was going to need to leave the game that I can see there.

@Chronopie, do you still assume that SaintKerrigan was scum? If so what are you basing that assumption on?

My voting test is now concluded. I'll leave it to Papa Zito to vote for either Chronopie or DarkStalker tomorrow.

Unvote

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Elscouta was replaced because he requested it.

[Mighty Orbots]

@Iecerint, there's no single place that we breadcrumbed the quick topic in particular but it's clear enough in the conversations that we had with Plum and SpyreX throughout day one (in particular the conversation I had with SpyreX about the day talking) that people should have been picking up on the possibility. Assuming scum has at least one fairly observant player on their team (and there's no reason to think otherwise) they should have had some idea of the connection. With Mina essentially out of it for now and with information to pass on this was the right time to bring it out in the open so that town had the information to work with.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

At this point I don't believe that it helps the town to know whether or not Mina and I are the only two in the quick topic. Should that change I'll claim one way or the other.

Posts 683 and 687 (where I'm talking to SpyreX) should have been something of an indication. Additionally my initial interpretation of Papa Zito's comment to Plum in Post 759 was that he was telling both SpyreX and Plum that we shared a quick topic with Mina (based on Mini 856 which I had read) but it turns out that he had something slightly different in mind.

I expect that Mina will not be able to talk in the quick topic while she's in Limbo. I expect to find that out for sure tonight (assuming she's still there.) I don't have any idea why she's in Limbo now. So far as I know it isn't by her own doing.

Mina actually made her Albert B. Rampage post (at least what I thought was it) as Post 897. Perhaps she intended something else and I do know that she expressed suspicion of him in the quick topic but not with any particularly useful details.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Tar, nevermind this bit:

If somebody else gets rid of the Mafia Godfather within three days, I become town.

Because SaintKerrigan is dead and I'm still in the game. Next question?

Zorblag reminded me that you don't have to lynch the Godfather, just off him somehow. Just to clarify though, does it count if you're on his lynch?

vote: chronopie

Ah, that's better.

@Mod: Is this correct?

4 manho ( 2 ) [ 11 ] - manho

[Mighty Orbots]

@manho, is the double voting related to your having more than one worship vote yesterday? Also, yesterday did your vote count at all? The vote counts make it a bit hard to tell but Beholder talked about fixing some mechanic and after that when you show up on the vote counts it's on a wagon of 5 people on Albatross which only gives CryMeARiver 4 votes.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

EBWOP: By more than one worship vote I mean more than the normal amount for you.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

#2 VasudeVa, claim. Now.

wut

Since Iece hasn't answered it, @MO - does the term "75%" hold any significance for you?

Should it?

You seem to be asking this at random.

[Mighty Orbots]

Remind me why we want VasudeVa to claim again? I mean, I pretty much liked nothing of Elscouta's play but unless we're doing a mass claim of some sort, someone is about to get lynched or someone feels they have useful information to share people shouldn't be claiming in general.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Fate, interesting. Given yesterday, Parama targeting Elscouta for some sort of night action is entirely plausible. Carry on then I suppose. Oh, and now that it's outed, can you day talk in your quick topic?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

HAY guys we're supposed to be lynching chronopie get with the program.

Otherwise I will start shooting lurkers next night (or who knows... I don't want to give scum that info for sure. One thing is sure, I'll claim my target afterwards, if I yet live.

Uhno. We direct outted killing roles and you've already proven utterly incapable of picking targets so stand by for further instructions kthx.


Why the hell is this game so slow when we have a thousand people still alive?

[Mighty Orbots]

@Chronopie, I've got time to post briefly here and I see that you seem to be questioning Mighty Orbot's call for your lynch. I'll tell you what, let's give you a chance to show off your thread prowess by answering two questions.

1. Who do you think is scum and why?
2. Why do you advocate worshiping the Egyptians today?

Perhaps great answers to those will change our mind about you.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Chronopie, not knowing who you suspect as scum at this stage in the game is pretty unacceptable. While we get our next move sorted you should figure that out. Really everyone should have noticed ooba's change in opinions as soon as he made his post; I know that Papa Zito and I did some speculating about it in our quick topic but didn't feel it was worth bringing up publicly yet. Especially given that a later post does indicate that he should have reasons to share about it later on.

At this point as you've now claimed to be an Egyptian God you should probably finish that claim up. If the ability that you gain from being worshiped is worth it then the town now has the means to protect you nicely (via VasudeVa's ability.)

@everyone, SpyreX's role made it fairly clear that the worship mechanic does have the potential to have a huge impact on the game. We seem to have divine claims popping up sporadically at this point. I need to talk with Papa Zito to see what Mighty Orbots collectively thinks is the best course of action but I'd like people to start thinking about a mass divinity claim. Everyone would claim god or man. Gods would then claim Pantheon and the effects of being worshiped. I'm up in the air about whether it makes sense to have people claim which god they are in the Pantheon. There should be advantages to know what to expect from our worship though clearly there might be issues with having the gods revealed that I'm not aware of. I'd like to see some discussion on the issue before anyone does anything about it.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

I agree with Iecerint that even if we do activate a reviver tomorrow it's somewhat likely to be too late to help either SpyreX or SaintKerrigan. In many ways this would be more important to know for future deaths.

@Iecerint, we're still early in a large game but it seems pretty clear that we're a high powered town in this case. A divine claim along with powers allows us to choose the situation that we're going to be working with much more carefully than if we simply rely on balance for the worship choice. In general the more powers a town has the more likely they are to get in eachother's ways if uncoordinated (and the first night's claimed kills which, if everyone involved is telling the truth, have probably lost us two pro-town gods to town motivated actions are a fine example of that.) I'm guessing that there's going to be way too much power the town can bring to bear this game for the mafia to shut us down effectively if we can coordinate.

Having said that, it's not my call to make on my own which is why we should be talking about it now.

@DTMaster, good call on the remembering that Beholder explicitly told us that worship votes not used would be lost. I'd remembered that he said we could choose not to use them but that one slipped my mind. As I said before Mighty Orbots did not submit a worship vote on day one. I'd be slightly surprised if we were the only one to make that choice. Unless the extra worship Maho gets is more significant that I suspect we probably don't have the 12 gods with one vote, 16 men with two numbers quite right.

@VasudeVa, I think that there's no reason to think that there shouldn't be roleblockers or other abilities out there that can disrupt your ability in the hands of scum. I also think that there's a good chance that the town has access to some counter measures which will be more useful if we've got a better idea where to point them.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Dude is obv town.

How is chronopie obvtown?

[Mighty Orbots]

@Tarhalidur, CryMeARiver claims to be unlynchable today (as he did yesterday though apparently something has changed about his understanding of it.) Given the end result yesterday I'm not inclined to spend today trying to lynch someone making that claim at this point.

Also, you should want a mass divinity claim given your claimed win condition. Care to present an argument for it?

@Iecerint and Katy, I realize that the current site meta goes against any sort of mass claim this early in the game for various reasons but it's important to consider our situation when making such decisions. In this case I'm very comfortable feeling that we've got a high powered town. Having the gods claim what powers will activate for them if we worship them won't be likely to make them targets individually just because there are likely to be more excellent powers than scum are going to have kills or roleblocks to do anything about. If everyone's telling the truth our worship is going to decide between things like night talking (which given the timing of the flips is very powerful for discussing potential daybreak actions) and a resurrection ability. In fact we can assume that the overall powers involved will be greater than just those. Town making the choice of powers available deliberately is a powerful tool.

It seems likely that some or all of the gods will have powers that aren't linked to their being worshiped. I'm not calling for them to claim those. I'm also not calling for the rest of the town to claim anything offhand. There should be among those abilities some of a protective nature (docs, roleblocks, bus drivers, redirects, watchers, VasudeVa's type of power.) If we know what divine abilities are out there the town can make use of powers of that sort more efficiently.

The worship is a completely novel aspect of this game; we shouldn't be treating it like we would normal abilities. Trying to work in the dark might pay off but I'm not at all convinced it's our best course of action. We certainly don't have to be guessing at this if we don't want to and a coordinated powerful town is hugely dangerous to scum.

@everyone, I'm not particularly sold on reasons to be voting Iecerint or ooba at this time. I feel like both of them are here and will be readable as we go. I don't agree with everything either of them have to say but at least they're being transparent about much of their thought process. The players who worry me more at this time are the ones who aren't doing anything.

@DTMaster, why do you think that scum would be more likely not to submit worship votes on day one? Mighty Orbots didn't submit a vote because we couldn't see a clear benefit at the time and the guidance we received from Albert B. Rampage was vague enough that it only ruled out one option. We didn't see a good reason to think that one worship over any others would benefit the town given what we knew.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@CryMeARiver, you do realize that Tarhalindur claimed that he got targeted with a night kill last night, right? Incidentally, do you think you know why ortolan didn't get killed by the lynch yesterday or is your power unique to the best of your knowledge?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Iecerint as long as you're keeping an open mind about it I'm happy enough for now. Hopefully others will share some opinions soon as well. It's the sort of thing that we should do as soon as possible if we decide to do it today. Otherwise I should drop it as soon as I realize that it's not going to happen.

I guess I will point out that scum already have some information just from the claims and their inherent knowledge of the scum team. Certainly much more than most if not all of the town does. We help town's information resources more with a divinity claim than we do scum's information resources.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Iecerint, I actually largely believe that claiming would be advantageous for town in a power heavy game like this so long as everyone did it but I'd be pretty surprised if people would go for that at this point in the game. The worship mechanic makes the divinity claim something special though and it's something that I think has the potential to do enough good (and might get little enough resistance because of the special circumstances surrounding it) that a push for that is worthwhile. I'll admit some bias in that I feel I work much better (to a greater than normal degree) when I've got more information in these games.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@totallynotmafia, in that context DTMaster almost certainly means Village Idiot.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@DTMaster, as town with no information about which faction is going to provide the town useful abilities or what not I've got no reason to vote for any one faction over any other faction. If I could either help or harm with action and I don't have a way to sort that out why act? Clearly I agree that if there's a power out there for town to exploit then we should be trying to exploit it. That's why I'm suggesting the divinity claim (with worship effects though you seem to be ignoring that.) Day one I didn't push for a non-worship but I saw no reason to pick any faction. Were I scum with more information I imagine that I would have had a reason to worship some way in particular. That knowledge scum have makes choosing more likely, not less. Someone was going to get worshiped and scum have every reason to steer that worship towards powers they know will benefit them.

As far as Tarhalindur goes, you're his partner so you should know this better than I do but I certainly took this from the start of the day to be evidence that he thought he'd been targeted for a kill:

Also, anybody want to fess up to burning out one of my bulletproof shields? I mean, I die at the end of Day 3 anyways...

Are you saying that I'm reading that wrong for some reason? It certainly looks like he's saying he knew he was the target of a kill attempt.

Once again, I know that you're better at reading and reasoning than this. At this point I'm working with the idea that you should be town despite the fact that I dislike most of your play because it fits the overall shape of the game better at this point (this is subject to change after day three depending on who is and isn't about.) I'd appreciate it if you used that ability to read and reason when making your posts.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@DTMaster, I'm saying that scum are more likely to have information about what the worship votes do than town and are more likely to want particular factions to be worshiped as a result. They are therefore more likely to vote for a particular pantheon. Albert B. Rampage leading the worship votes is another matter but given his lack of direction on day one I'm not worried about him. He's picked out one pantheon for today but clearly I'm interested in getting more information to work with.

There's no way to test what the scum know offhand but there's no reason to think that they wouldn't have extra knowledge. I think that your theory about scum who don't want to worship is significantly less valid actually. They're the informed minority after all.

I also don't care whether the individual pantheons want to claim or not, I'm looking for what's good for the town overall. What I'm advocating that we do is demand a divinity claim with worship actions from everyone. The gods don't need to worry about getting killed individually because there should be enough of them that they're unlikely to get singled out and even if one or two of them were overwhelmingly good for the town we're pretty likely to have town protection type roles to keep them safe.

As for your posts, the things that I don't like them are the details that you're getting wrong. I've been pointing them out as we go. You've been at least as much a distraction this game as you've been useful (though I'll admit that this has lessened recently.)

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@DTMaster, clearly uninformed Minority doesn't mean informed about everything. I never came close to claiming that it did. Thank you for the lovely misrepresentation though. If we've got even 2 gods from different pantheons in the scum team then they've got more information about what the worship does than the rest of us. I don't think that it's at all unlikely that this is the case. Do you have a reason to think that it is?

Fear of the unknown (and lack of control) is exactly why we should expect scum to be using their worship votes though. If they have any information (which, again, they probably do) then they want to use it to put themselves in the best position they know of.

I'm clearly using the worship percents. I'm the one who came up with the 44 as a minimum number of worship votes we're dealing with. That doesn't mean that town would be any more likely to have voted for any particular worship on day one or that scum would have been any less likely.

Nothing I've done or said implies that I know the alignments of Manho, Nikanor, Parama, Dramonic, SaintKerrigan, CryMeARiver, ortolan, Albert B. Rampage or anyone else or how worship works. How the hell do you get that from anywhere other than your ass? This is the sort of distraction I'm talking about. Completely unreasonable assertions that don't match what's happened in the thread at all.

Anther two examples that are particularly easily accessible would be your insistance that I called SaintKerrigan scum when I did no such thing and your apparent ignorance of your Tarhalidur's being targeted for a night kill. If you were following the thread like I know you could and like you should be you shouldn't be having any of those issues. Instead we're having to put up and correct the crap that you're spewing.

Like I said, right now with the information that I have about the game it makes much more sense to assume that you're town because of the claims that we've got. If it weren't for that you'd be very high on my list of suspects.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Fate, you're not currently worth my attention. You being the first to support my divinity claim so far as I can tell is noted with some small amount of suspicion (though only a small amount as I do think it's a good idea.) The buddying in the form of calling something a town-town conflict isn't much of a flag given what I think people other than myself should be seeing in the thread. Calling me good at reading alignments might be an issue but we'll see if you try to flatter me down the road or not.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Fate, no I proposed the divinity claim because I think it's the right move. I'm just inherently suspicious of people agreeing with me in games of mafia.

@DTMaster, you'll have to clear up how I'm implying that the uninformed minority has full information in the number 2 as that makes no sense without context.

Your theory that scum would be less likely to vote is less valid because it assumes that scum lack information which we've got no reason to assume. Trying to spin the scum as a group of cowards who are afraid to act is unreasonable and yet you seem to be pushing it fairly hard for some reason.

Information gathering isn't scummy. Having information ahead of time about multiple pantheons is absolutely scummy. There's really no way you wouldn't be able to see that. My mass divinity claim idea helps give the town access to information that lets them make informed decisions and probably makes it harder for scum to push us towards worshiping a pantheon that helps them. Watching the town make an informed decision will give us much more information than watching us make stabs in the dark.

I am calling you out on being wrong about details, yes. How did you go from that to some sort of implication that I had information about alignments? For many of your cases I don't know whether you're pursuing scum or not. I do know that the things that you're pursuing often don't match what's actually happened in the thread. Not taking careful notes is no excuse for promoting incorrect information. If you're going to express opinions strongly then I'm absolutely justified in calling it scummy when the basis that you're using for them isn't sound.

Seriously, shape up here. You could help the town if you tried rather than giving us what you're giving at this point.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@DTMaster, I think that you should have the potential to be an asset to the town and I want you to be actually doing useful things as you're as large a presence as you've been. I'd like to think my faith in you isn't misplaced. At this point I plan to keep berating you about it until you stop with your shitty play. Improving your play should be worth the effort that I'm putting into it in the long run.

One game of scum cowards doesn't make for a good set of expectations. You're also still assuming that scum lack information here which makes zero sense. You should really stop being a fucking idiot about this and dwelling in a stupidly small sample of experiences.

I think that relying on scum being wrong about their assumptions when I don't know what information they have access to is a much worse plan than actually trying to get the town enough information to make good assumptions. I'm not interested in trying to win by scum playing poorly when I've got the option of wining via the town playing well instead.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Lol DTM. You've raised Troll's ire. Not a smart thing to do.


Guys. It doesn't really matter if Snow_Bunny is town or not. Outted NKers are directed by the town. We will direct or she will swing. Simple.

(FTR I'd be waaaay leaning Snow_Bunny = SK except for our census. Claim vig = no lynch, most SKs are NK immune, no tracker/watcher mumbojumbo = victory party)

What/Where is your case on chronopie? I think I missed it.

Yup.

Here's a fun exercise. Go back through Chronopie's iso. Count the number of posts where he

1. Talks about roles
2. Talks about gods/worship targets
3. Talks about setup/mechanics
4. Actually scumhunts

Aaaaaaaaand maybe you'll see where the Chrono hate comes from.

Remember kids: Role-confirmed != alignment-confirmed! (not that Chrono is even the first)


I like the survivor-should-claim thing. Do this survivor, this is smart play.

[Mighty Orbots]

Oh and someone shoot Fate. TIA.

[Mighty Orbots]

FINALLY someone calls for me NK, thanks Papa Z.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH I changed my mind. Bunny, shoot Chronopie instead.

UNVOTE: Chronopie
VOTE: Fate

we can just ask the vig to nk plum, and if she is actually un-nk'able, we can lynch her before lylo.

Welcome to manhoville. Population: tire.

[Mighty Orbots]

TROLL DID YOU APPROVE OF THAT WASTE?

I think Troll is still recovering from Drunk Mafia. You should have seen him throwing back those ciders, it was epic.

So no, he's not around to reign me in. hah

arguably, Fate's play towards the survivor is awful
But it's not scummy.

Oh, it's scummy. Think about it some more.

Unvote; Vote: BlazezRb. He is either scum, or extremely VI

Option 2.

Blaze wagon is counterwagon to one of Fate/Chrono. Or both.


P.S. Why does the Chrono wagon only grow when I'm not on it? ????????? Anyway I approve, go forth and multiply.
P.P.S. With all the god claims we're coming awful close to the divinity massclaim Troll wanted earlier.

[Mighty Orbots]

It is now time for more revelations.

With SpyreX out out of the game (for now and probably for good) it's time to reveal that Mighty Orbots will be your POWERFUL WIZARD for the game. You've seen some of this already with our claims but it's become clear that it's time to see more.

We are a Technomage from the Babylon 5 universe.

We don't have a role title in particular but we're essentially a pimped up JOAT. To date we've done the following things.

Night 0: Before we learned our role or alignment or anything we had to use a one shot ability to shut down all abilities on some day night cycle. We chose Day/Night 3. Once we made our choice we got our role information.

No abilities (not even passive ones) should be usable on Day 3 or Night 3.

Tarhalindur, you'd better aim well tonight as you probably won't get a chance tomorrow night.

Night 1: We used a one shot item which gave us the chance to use two abilities. For those actions we chose a rolecop/sane alignment cop ability on SaintKerrigan (who was Set, town) and a sane alignment cop on Starbuck (BlazezRb) and got town.

Mighty Orbots has a sane alignment cop result of town on BlazezRb.

Our remaining powers are still formidable which is one of the reasons that we're not worried about a divinity claim leading simply to the gods getting killed. We know that there are mortals out here who are both tempting targets or have the power to stop kills (or both.)

We've now got two more pieces of information about gods (both BlazezRb and Iecerint are Norse) and I continue to strongly think that we should be finding out what they're going to do in the night. I don't know if the divine choice will override my ability cancellation for tomorrow but if it doesn't it'll be either the only thing in play tomorrow (or one of the only things if others have roles that somehow get around a universal block.) Making the choice about what will be active isn't just a matter of thinking that it will help the town but knowing how it will help the town. That should be true for every night and we should start taking advantage of it sooner rather than later.

In a high powered game information is key.

@Fate, Papa Zito doesn't need my permission to cast votes. He's got voting power for the hydra. I'm giving him input in our hydra QT but appealing to me when you don't like his vote isn't going to do anything for you. Also, for what it's worth I disagree that Plum is a reasonable target for now. I'm inclined to believe her claim and I've got bigger fish to fry than an outted survivor at this point.

@BlazezRb, what exactly does your hammer do. There's a difference between Roleblocker and Doctor. Do you stop yourself and your target from using any other abilities or do you stop yourself and your target from getting killed? Are you compelled to give it away or did you (or Starbuck) choose to?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Parama, you said earlier that you knew that Fate wasn't the survivor. Apparently you've been neighborized with him since the game started but how did you know that?

@Fate, Papa Zito's voting is fine for me (it's at least as good as mine would be.) In the post of his you're referencing pretty clearly his intent was to suggest that the BlazezRb wagon was potentially to distract from something else. While he was doing that we were talking in the quick topic about whether or not to reveal our alignment cop result on him (clearly we decided yes.)

@Albatross, your obv town read on Chronopie doesn't make much sense to me. For one thing I don't think that not trying to manipulate people and apparently not caring about self preservation are particularly town tells. For another I don't think that either of those have been the case. He was pushing for an Egyptian Worship early today with the initial reason given being that we knew SaintKerrigan was scum and therefore that worship would be more likely to give town benefits. That came after I had given my town result on SaintKerrigan. Further, even though he ignored the questions that both heads of this hydra were asking at the start of the day he had no trouble noticing that we cast a vote for him and has in fact been more interested in disputing his own scumminess today than he has been in doing anything to help find scum himself.

Throw in the fact that you claim not have been bothering to follow the game because it's been so wall-ridden and I find your declaration of Chronopie as obv town to be pretty dubious.

@Iecerint, at this point unless there's enough of a push to get all the gods to declare what worshiping them will do I probably don't think that you should. Mind you, I do think that there should be a move in that direction.

@BlazezRb, it doesn't sound like you're a roleblocker. If I'm reading what you've said correctly it sounds like you avoid redirects for yourself, your target and those adjacent to you in the vote count while you have your hammer. Or do you mean something else by cover action? Do you have any reason to think that your target will be protected or roleblocked beyond that (the roleblocked would be surprising at this point.) Do you know if the hammer recipient will allow those adjacent to them in the vote count to avoid redirects as well?

@rajrhcpfreak, are you still around at all? We need to be hearing more from several players but I'll start by highlighting you at this time.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Fate, yeah, sorry, that didn't read how I intended it to. I meant that the neighborizing had apparently happened since the game started not that you'd been neighbors from the start. Why did you claim to him in the quick topic? Why should he believe your claim there?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Fate, OK. You do know that makes it sound like you're cult though, right?

@Albert B. Rampage, when exactly does your census take place? It's a daybreak action that apparently goes after kills and whatever puts people in Limbo but do you have a reason to think that it wouldn't go before a daybreak recruit action might take place? How certain are you that the cult didn't recruit yesterday?

@Nikanor, both our investigations were one shot abilities. As are all our other abilities. We figured that among them it was useful to use two that involved sane alignment investigations at the start. We might or might not have others that have alignment investigations as well.

As an aside, Papa Troll was the other name we considered for this hydra back when we were making it.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Fate, not tonight, no. Just examining the possibilities. You'll notice that I'm trying to figure out exactly what Albert B. Rampage knows about alignments with my question to him. I don't actually think it's all that likely that you're a cult but that would nicely fit the information that we've got and if the discussion in which your quick topic got outted happened after Albert B. Rampage's no-cult-recruit message (which I think it did) then it's an intriguing possibility. Hiding in the open in a situation like that might have some appeal for a bold player.

Ah, and the neighborizing being a twilight action makes the cult bit even less likely. Making that up on the fly to avoid the issues I'm worried about seems pretty unlikely to have happened.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Nikanor, yeah, you've got it right now. We used an item and two different abilities (that happened to be fairly similar) last night. Again, everything we've got is one shot (other than our quick topic which is passive.)

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Fate, actually, what is it that you think makes Chronopie a bad lynch for today? His ability or his play? And why do either of those make you think he's not scum? It's something that Papa Zito and I are talking a bit about in our quick topic but I'm interested in hearing where people are coming from on the topic.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Faraday, isolation is back now. It's below the other options but generally in the spot it used to be. It no longer puts all the posts on the first page like it used to but we've effectively got it once more.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@dramonic, yes, we targeted Plum for the role cop/sane alignment cop and ortolan for the sane alignment cop. Further the results were listed by name as SaintKerrigan and Starbuck. With SaintKerrigan having flipped Set I'm about as sure as it's possible to be that those results are on who I've said they are.

@BlazezRb, why are you holding back on your ability now that you understand it? We know that you've got one and we've got some idea what it does. I'd be much more comfortable if we knew exactly what you thought it does before you use it again. At this point I don't see how keeping that information private is helpful.

@Fate, I've only seen chronopie in a game once. He was scum. He (fairly clumsily) claimed his ability day two (role cop) there and then tried to fake a crazy miller claim later when it became clear that he was going to have people concluding from information they had that he was scum. Is there some reason that you think that scum wouldn't have the ability that he's claiming now?

@CryMeARiver, do you think that my claim idea is a good one or simply not terrible? If you don't think it's good then you shouldn't be pushing it. I do happen to think it's good but how people react to it is useful in and of itself. Also, why do you think I've got a town result on BlazezRb if you think he's got an 80% chance of being scum? Are you that certain that he needs to be a godfather or do you think it could be something else? You also seem to be a bit schizophrenic about Chronopie. Care to clarify exactly what your opinion on him is?

@Iecerint, I wouldn't say the investigations were random. Knowing SaintKerrigan and Starbucks' alignments would be about as helpful as any pair we could think of when deciding how to proceed today. There were some other options but in this case if the shift didn't happen both Plum and ortolan were ones we wanted to know as well.

@BlazezRb, you get two of these given your last post. I'd actually not make that many assumptions about alignments based on roles. Set being town should have been enough of a lesson in that. Also,

Mighty Orbots is not a god. Mighty Orbots is a Technomage from the Babylon 5 universe.

How did you get that I was a God from what anyone said?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@BlazezRb, does giving your hammer count as your cover action or does what you said you did to Iecerint last night count as your cover action? I'd probably recommend against claiming who you're using it on tonight if you're doing what I think you might be. You also seem to have stuck with that idea for a bit now; why decide so soon how you'd use a night action like that?

Also, an explanation of the cover action would still be a good thing.

@Iecerint, it seemed the sort of thing that a POWERFUL WIZARD should do at those times. I can see how you might find it off-putting though.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Some more interesting information to share:

Papa Zito is V/LA until Tuesday so he's likely to be missing this night phase. What you're getting from Mighty Orbots is Troll at this point.

Among Mighty Orbot's one shot abilities is a redirect. That one lets me choose someone and pick their target. Anything that could be roleblocked is instead redirected. There are a couple ways I've seen redirect used in various games; unless there are multiple versions of the ability in this game (which would be surprising) that's what we should expect here.

Further, Mighty Orbot's two investigations yesterday were both Daybreak Actions. Our redirect (which we might or might not have used) is a twilight action. I don't know that all such actions will have the same set of priorities but it seems like an idea to start with. I'm saying this now as it's very likely scum have enough abilities to have been able to put all that together.

Reminder: Abilities (active and passive) should not be working tomorrow. If you're relying on being able to do something tomorrow based on some ability you should be prepared to be disappointed.

Further, Daybreak actions submitted tonight should work. They take place before the day starts. Daybreak actions should not work tomorrow night if I understand the situation correctly (and I asked enough questions of the mod to believe that I do.)

At this time I no longer support a divinity claim today. I will support it come (most likely) the day after tomorrow but protection abilities are too similar to redirects so I'm not willing to count on people being able to protect on the fly now. We probably don't want to do it tomorrow as protective abilities should be down and we're unlikely to get even one useful knowledge based day out of it.

I actually probably am as comfortable with a JCA worship for tonight at this point for a couple reasons. Unless I say otherwise that's what Mighty Orbots will be worshiping (though we're not submitting the action just yet.)

@Snow_Bunny, you should be taking out a lurker today in my opinion. I plan to give you a nice list of options in a bit. You should NOT anounce exactly who you'll be killing (though it doesn't sound likely that you would.) You should probably get input on a list of about 4 possibilities.

@Dramonic, if anything isn't going to get blocked tomorrow by my universal shutdown it's likely to be a scum nightkill. I'd treat your action like a protective jailkeep for the day/night cycle tomorrow. Rather than putting someone quiet in Limbo (and we should be pressuring them tomorrow anyhow) it should be better to put someone who's likely to be useful in Limbo for the day. As that should resolve before my ability kicks in that should keep them safe over tomorrow (depending on exactly the order in which things resolve. As with Snow_Bunny I do not recommend saying exactly who you'll be doing this to. That might change for future days but for now that's my advice.

@Tarhalidur, as a bright side for you at least now you're not tempted to waste a night kill on him. I had the town investigation and he was well on his way to convincing me that he was a decent lynch there.

I'm sure I've got more but let me post all of that now.

[Mighty Orbots]

Yeah, I'm distracted a bit just now as there's more going on than I'm good at handling and forgot to sign the post. That last post was pretty clearly Zorblag.

Also, I'm as comfortable with a JCA worship at this point as anything else. I left that anything else clause out in the last post.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Snow_Bunny, OK, here are some good options for a vigilante shot tonight according to the Troll head. I'm limiting this to four names for the sake of simplicity.

CryMeARiver (no useful contributions; the not able to be lynched claim; the whole BlazezRb 80% scum after the investigation result)
inHimshallibe (replaced Percy; neither spot did enough to justify keeping about)
rajrhcpfreak (guess how many times he posted Day Two. If you guessed once you got it right.)
totallynotmafia (the scum hunting (especially day two) seems to focus on potential Serial Killers; not much great content (though actually it's a big improvement over the newbie game I played with him if he's watching this.))

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

It probably won't come up as an issue but, just to be clear, I haven't yet submitted my worship vote. I expect it will be the JCA. If that changes I'll announce it in thread before the night ends.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@manho, will you still get one extra worship vote tonight or was that a one time thing?

@Iecerint, your Too Human should still be in effect tomorrow right? And I assume it's the same sort of thing that BlazezRb probably had based on his flip?

@Ooba, I assume you're keeping track of everything in terms of vote numbers but it looks like for yesterday if we're working with 44 votes total we should have gotten probably one extra from each of Iecerint, Starbuck/BlazezRb and manho. Further, Mighty Orbots (not a God) did not vote. I don't recall hearing that anyone else didn't vote so if we're working with a 12 gods, 2 votes per mortal/1 vote per god (mostly) theory I think we're still at one over what we expect.

@Fate, that cult idea was silly when Plum suggested it. Incidentally, someone wasn't sure who brought it up first (Iecerint perhaps?); my recollection is that it was Plum.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Iecerint, DarkStalker first mentioned it here so far as I can see and gave credit to Plum for the saying something earlier. Plum first brought up the idea here (at which point I immediately objected to it as viable.)

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Iecerint, I agree that Plum is almost certainly a Modified Survivor. Further I'm not interested in wasting time taking her out at this point. On another note, is it possible that the Too Human thing is a Norse God property? I know you say that your quick topic is pretty unresponsive but could you ask the other(s) there if they've got it?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Ooba, if Xite91 doesn't know how the night one worship vote was used I'd imagine that there's a pretty good chance that it didn't get used at all. ortolan didn't exactly get into this game and wouldn't have been about for the night phase to see the reminder that the mod sent out about getting them in.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

And now I'm a bit confused. I sort of didn't bother paying full attention to how the worship votes would be moved about yesterday as I wasn't voting but do we think that there was a shift and that people took it into account correctly with all those claimed GOO votes? Or do we think that it actually landed on the ones that were submitted? I guess I sort of thought the shift was a player thing rather than a Pantheon thing.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@totallynotmafia, BlazezRb certainly implied that he had given you his hammer night one (based on vote counts.) Can you confirm that and it's effects? Also, any update on your ability to get on the internet from home?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Iecerint, understood and thanks for checking. Just let us know if anyone does answer and doesn't want to come out with the information in the game thread on their own. Actually for the most part (as long as we get the information eventually) it's fine if there's not an answer to the vote thing to tomorrow. It shouldn't help anything till then at the earliest anyhow.

@CryMeARiver, while it is true that Snow_Bunny's list is about twice as large as I'd like it to be I don't strongly object to anyone on it as a potential target. Also, for the record, are you claiming at this point that you can't be killed at night at this point? The last we seemed to get from you was that you were wrong about your kill immunity in some way but that you weren't lynchable today.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Xite91, with SpyreX gone you no longer have to worry about the vote shift for anything. As for CryMeARiver's claim to be unkillable, that came before ortolan failed to get killed by his lynch and has persisted since then. It shouldn't be related to you. I say this because I assume that it's a passive ability and I know that other passive abilities (i.e. talking in quick topics in particular) were not affected by the shift. Having said that it is curious that you weren't killed given that you don't have any reason to think it wouldn't be the case. Perhaps I'm missing something.

Also, to confirm, it's your worship vote that counts as 0, right? Not your normal vote. If ortolan did send in a vote do you know which Pantheon it was for?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@CryMeARiver, would you care to share anything about why you've got these kill immunities at this point? They confuse me and if you've got them I'm not sure how a claim could hurt you. Also, is there any chance that you were responsible for ortolan not getting killed by a lynch yesterday?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@CryMeARiver, why do you think that it's useful for you to stay alive at this point? Your secrecy with what you're immune to kill-wise seems to be motivated by a desire to stay alive more than anything else. If a kill attempt on you does something that hurts town other than killing you you're not doing a good job at all of convincing people not to attempt that kill as of this time so far as I can tell.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Iecerint, well, it can't be all passive abilities that were affected as, like I said, the quick topics worked as expected. Apparently it worked on anything with a target according to SpyreX. I don't imagine that the kill immunities would count as things with targets unless CryMeARiver or Tarhalindur needed to target themselves in some way to get the immunities to work.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

For reference, this post and this post are where SpyreX made the claims about how his shift worked on things (in response to, among other things, my questions about how it would work on passive abilities.)

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@CryMeARiver, I've already given Snow_Bunny my advice for potential kills. You are on that list. Is there a reason that you're going out of your way to be uncooperative at this point?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Xite91, yeah, I might have come across as overly negative to you there. I do appreciate your thinking about what might have happened as you claim not to know. I just don't think that explanation is overly likely in this case for the reasons that I've been talking about. I'm also a bit more likely to dismiss your ideas based on your scum/god theories when we have three claimed neutral roles of which two are claimed non-gods (DTMaster and Tarhalindur) and one seems likely not to be (Plum) as well as the fact that I had personally given two town investigation results on gods at the time (SaintKerrigan who had flipped Set and BlazezRb who had claimed Thor.) I more or less think that you should have picked up on at least some of those when you were making your previous posts though you did have a lot of game to look through.

Thanks for the worship/vote clarification though.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@CryMeARiver, telling me to try to get the vigilante to shoot you when you're also saying that it's not good for the vigilante to shoot you is certainly being uncooperative. It's like you want the town to be confused about what's going on. Whether you're intentionally being anti-town or not you're succeeding at it just fine.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@CryMeARiver, not being killed by a night kill of any sort does nothing to prove anything about you given that you've not told us why the kills won't work. If the only reason that you don't mind being shot at (or blown up or whatever) is that you think it will clear something you're not helping the town at all. You should really be lobbying for some kill you think would actually be useful.

Also, you most certainly told me that if I didn't trust you I should try to get Snow_Bunny to kill you, not the mafia. Unless you think that Snow_Bunny is mafia rather than vigilante and I've not noticed that.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Hmm, this is probably a good time to say that from here on out people should hold of on sending in their worship until towards the end of the day so that they can make more informed decisions from here on out. There's little chance of it being forgotten and if the situation changes in an important way it's entirely possible that we'll very much want that extra flexibility.

Things on the whole have gotten quiet. Is there anything else that people think needs to be talked about before this night ends?

@Dramonic, could you confirm that you saw what I had to say about using your power tonight? You haven't acknowledged it but your stated plan of putting someone quiet in Limbo strikes me as a particularly poor one.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@dramonic, do you at least recognize that putting someone quiet in Limbo is a terrible choice at this point? Without fully knowing how your power works it's hard to tell what you think the flaw might be. It's clearly not a fear that they could be lynched anyhow as there's no need to lynch someone who's in limbo but has been useful to the town. It's also not that it stops them from using whatever powers they have as they wouldn't be able to use them tomorrow anyhow. There are other things that you could be thinking of but I won't go into them either at this point.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@dramonic, unless there's more to the power that isn't public knowledge at this point the only good pro-town uses for it that I can think of are to use it as a jailkeeper to try to roleblock someone or to protect someone. Anything else just deprives town of a voice for a day unnecessarily and makes it harder to get reads in the long run. Roleblocking someone tomorrow shouldn't be useful.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@dramonic, and how about a mafia kill? Would that kill the person in limbo as well? Or is there some other reason you failed to bring that method of death up?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@dramonic, also, if your limbo-resident did get killed on a given day would you be able to put someone else in limbo the next night or does it only work until it's protected you once? Or some other mechanic?

Further, do you know if it will work to protect you tomorrow if all abilities, even passive ones, aren't working?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

So I've thought about it a bit. I don't particularly trust dramonic; his play doesn't seem to be helping find scum (his main contribution today was pointing out that ooba's list changed a number of people from scum reads to town reads but, really, it was obvious far before he pointed it out and he should have mentioned that when he first commented on the list as a whole.) It's probably worse that he used that claimed inconsistency as a reason to vote for Iecerint instead of ooba. On the whole he hasn't been much of a presence in the game and he seems more interested in staying alive than helping the town figure out what makes sense as a good course of action. The limbo thing is extremely powerful as a means to stay alive if he's telling the truth. I very much dislike that he's not interested in sharing whether or not it's a one shot thing; I think that town should be willing to do that. I'm also not that interested in messing around with it right away to see if he's telling the truth unless he puts someone particularly lynch-worthy in that spot tomorrow.

On the other hand, I don't think he'll be able to use the ability on Night Three so he should be an easy enough lynch on his own on Day Four. That'll give him some time to actually make a positive impact on the game via his play and his suspicions. If he doesn't by then I'm going to be a proponent of lynching him that day in particular (or vigging him, though that's less certain to work due to potential shenanigans.)

Having said that I'm still trying to process the information and I'd love to have input from others on the issue. It's complicated enough that I'm not sure that I'm wrapping my head around it correctly at this time.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@dramonic, actually, at this point I want you to put Plum in limbo no matter what else happens. If someone's going to be a potential block to a kill it might as well be our survivor. As far as I'm concerned you might as well keep her there from here on out; while she's there she can't do the town any harm and if there ever is a desire to test a kill or lynch on you we'd know we wouldn't be in danger of losing anything important.

Again, others are welcome to weigh in on that idea but so far as I can tell given what I know it should keep everyone happy if you're town. Well, except maybe Plum but I'm not that invested in keeping Plum happy.

@DarkStalker, we should be able to tell if the hammer is still in play the day after tomorrow. If the extra votes are still there the hammer's probably still in the game. I do agree that BlazezRb's claims were a challenge to try to sort through.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@DTMaster, do you understand how dramonic claims his ability works at this point? Or are you being a fucking idiot again? I suspect the latter. Please be informed when you make posts rather than wasting our time (like you did with the last batch of them.)

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Xite91, we're relatively confident (at least I am) that Plum is a survivor. This is in some ways a great way to deal with her as, in the end we can't count on her to be trying to help the town. As far as winning the game goes she doesn't care who does it so long as she's still alive. With you there's still an alignment to be determined and if you're town you should actually be motivated by win condition to help figure out what's going on down the road even if it's confusing now (and it's tremendously confusing now.) I'd much rather have you in the thread contributing both for the read on you and for the work from you than have you tucked away in Limbo. That goes for anyone else I'm not sure about. If it weren't for the reverse bodyguard aspect I would be all for putting someone who I thought was probably town there for safe keeping but with the mechanic working how it does that's not a good idea. Later on it might make sense to put someone we think is probably scum there as a roleblock type action but for now I'm happier with the Plum move.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Xite91, we've still got a lot of game to get through. If you'd like to feel like you're doing something I might suggest reading through some people in isolation and taking some notes. Ideally people who you aren't particularly aware are in the game perhaps. Maybe you'll notice something the rest of us are missing. Right now there's too much going on for any one player to process everything well (in my opinion) but the more we're paying attention the easier it will get as things simplify as the game gets smaller. Being up to speed when that starts to happen is key.

The unlynchability being stolen bit from CryMeARiver was his way of saying that he hadn't understood how it worked previously. It was a particularly poor way to phrase it (and he's not being helpful in general so that's somewhat par for the course.) Actually, as Iecerint said, your theory is the best one that we've heard but we really do have a reason to think that the shift shouldn't have applied to abilities that didn't require targets and the unlynchability shouldn't have required a target so there are still major problems with it. For now it's a mystery so far as I can tell.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@dramonic, for what it's worth I know you've been about looking at various things more or less since you posted here last. I fully expect you to give some response to the Plum limbo idea tonight. Not doing so will look bad.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@dramonic, are you fairly certain that anyone in particular is scum (I guess and that Snow_Bunny probably won't be taking a shot at them if you're not sure about the order that your actions will resolve)? If so I can live with your putting them in Limbo but on the whole that strikes me as a better plan when we've got more certainty about roles.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@dramonic, I guess at this point I go back to what I was saying to Xite91. Plum is completely safe to stow away in Limbo at this point; everyone else I'd like to hear more from to get better reads and I can't do that if they're in Limbo. There are a couple players I'm comfortable calling town but given how you're saying your role works I no longer love the idea of putting them there.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@dramonic, also, keep in mind that the roleblock aspect of your power doesn't matter for tomorrow. Abilities won't be usable anyhow. As far as justifications go that's a poor one for the choice for tonight. As far as the jailkeeper thing goes you are pretty close. You stop someone from being able to ask and make them untargatable by other actions. The extra bit about attacks on you killing them and the public nature of the action are modifications but the template is coming from the jailkeeper role.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Any reason you asked me to do this exercise instead of doing it yourself, MO? Seems Katy noticed it too

I already did. Which is why I felt comfortable there.

I find it's more useful at times to teach than to preach.

Sup kids, I'm back. This has been a long night.

[Mighty Orbots]

So I'll have one or more things to share in a bit but I need to see what people say about the night first.

For now here are the numbers that I get for the worship votes from percentages. The smallest number of worship votes that would be consistent with what we've got there would be 39 votes. The breakdown would be as follows:

GOO: 2/39
Egyptian: 9/39
Norse: 1/39
JCA: 27/39

@Tarhalidur, was your day kill thing earlier a bluff? Or did it turn out that BlazezRb's mod-kill didn't prevent it?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Fate, the cancellation of powers should be what kicked Plum back out of Limbo after she was put there. ooba said something about being V/LA for the next couple days so it's not clear when he'll be back.

We're actually not sure at this point (so far as I know) whether either of the two just killed were mafia or not.

You seem to be assuming neither was. Iecerint seems to be assuming that inHimshallibe was. I find the assumptions interesting.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Fate, Ah, wait, you mean kill from the mafia, not a mafia member killed. Yeah, that is interesting.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Wow. Poor manho. What a way to go.

[Mighty Orbots]

OK

WHO WINS.

I AM CONFIRMED TOWN NOW>

GET THE FUCK OFF>

Yeah, this just makes me want you dead more.

[Mighty Orbots]

Rules, lol.

Lottery: scanner

[Mighty Orbots]

OK, now that Snow_Bunny has claimed her kill it's time for information. Actually, shockingly enough I'm slightly disappointed that she says she killed inHimshallibe. I know that's crazy talk; stick with me here.

Last night I used a one shot watch ability on Snow_Bunny. Three players targeted her. I can account for Mighty Orbots with the watch. The other two would have been slightly more clear if she'd claimed to have tried to have killed anyone else.

Last night, after I explained that my redirect was a twilight action (rather than a daybreak action) I learned that someone else had access to a redirect as a daybreak action and that they were still able to use it. After much discussion it was decided that they would target Snow_Bunny with the redirect and redirect her shot to inHimshallibe (as we weren't sure that we trusted her judgment after Night One.) The person doing the redirect was the one who made the call about who they were redirecting to and I suggested a number of names of which inHimshallibe was only one. I pretty strongly suspect that if they wanted to they could have redirected the shot (explosion actually, based on flavor) to someone other than scum if they had wanted to without making me suspicious. As such, that we now apparently know inHimshallibe was the godfather means that I've got a pretty strong reason to trust the redirector. If Snow_Bunny had tried to kill anyone else and the shot had been redirected it would remove a tiny amount of doubt but so be it.

In any case, the redirector did target Snow_Bunny like they should have.

The third person targetting Snow_Bunny almost certainly wasn't doing it with a kill or a roleblock as the shot did work and she's still alive. Given that she was a claimed vig I'm going to assume that scum, if they bothered targetting her, wouldn't leave her alive and shooting. As such I believe that this person is also town.

I am not at this point going to publicly out either of those two players. They should both know who they are. Actually, there are others that I mostly trust for now who also know who the redirector is so that information won't be lost even if I die for whatever reason.

As a result of all of this there are now a total of 6 players including Mighty Orbots who I am almost certain based on actions and claims need to be town. I don't see any feasible way for Tarhalindur to have been faking his claim without knowing that my roleblock on day three was going to happen ahead of time. If he did know that somehow or he just made up a story that was probably going to fall apart when the godfather didn't get lynched then I'm going to get this game wrong anyhow so I'll just be working with the assumption that he must be town at this point. DTMaster gets pretty much the same treatment now. I think that there's enough role based reason to think that Snow_Bunny should be town that she's going to go on the list as well.

That gives me the following as town (without even really having to have good reads):

DTMaster
Mighty Orbots
Snow_Bunny
Tarhalindur
Redirector
Other Snow_Bunny Targetter

I think that there are probably some other players that can be added to that list based on strength of read but I want to talk with Papa Zito some about it. In any case, we should now have a solid core of players who I hope can trust each other well enough to work together to start breaking this game wide open. There is a pretty minute possibility that this is all a conspiracy being concocted to trick me with some fake information but I don't think I'm paranoid enough to buy that at this time.

@Iecerint, the information that I've read about the Too Human universe is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Too_Human . That certainly doesn't make ODIN seem as though he'd be likely to be scum. Further the Set character from the Stargate Universe wasn't a good guy at all so far as I can tell. At this point I'm inclined to think that we can probably throw out any assumptions we might have been clinging to that alignments are based on roles. Perhaps others will disagree.

Mod: Can we get a prod on rajrhcpfreak?

@chronopie do you have anything to add to the game at this point other than your lottery vote? I'm disconcerted by the fact that you're aware enough to be getting that in but don't have anything else to share.

@Albert B. Rampage and Mina, right now I'm perhaps most interested in hearing what you've learned since you posted last.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Plum, actually I think it was 9 players that made her list. It is a bit surprising but why would she lie about that? If she got redirected why not claim her original target as whoever it would have been from her list?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Xite91, but wouldn't she assume that someone would be claiming the redirect anyhow? I just don't see what there is to gain from it at this point. Add that to how she claimed the kill yesterday in the upfront way she did and I just don't see a good non-town path for her to be taking. It's a bit of a coincidence but multiple people coming to the conclusion that inHimshallibe was the best choice for a kill isn't all that out of the question I don't think.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Plum, it's not because of this claimed shot that I think she's almost certainly town. It's because of the way things came out yesterday. If we believe Albert B. Rampage about roles there's no Serial Killer in the game which would mean that she'd be mafia if she was a killing role. I can't think of a time that I've seen a member of the mafia come out as a vig on day one; it's just not a safe or wise thing to do.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Basically it comes down to the fact that if Snow_Bunny isn't town she's going to reveal herself via a kill where it shouldn't be one of these days anyhow. Until that happens I'm going to go with the most obvious scenario we could be working with. The coincidence of her choosing the same target isn't large enough to make me overly suspicious at this time.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Plum right now we've had 4 kills. Snow_Bunny has claimed two (SpyreX and inHimshallibe) and Tarhalindur has one (SaintKerrigan) with DTMaster picking up the last (manho.)

We've got a bulletproof power used by Tarhalidur that accounts for one more kill. That does leave a kill probably unaccounted for from last night. I can think of a couple things that might have happened to it but I'll hold off on the speculation for now.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

So people seem a bit unclear about timing for some actions. I looked into it when I was figuring out exactly what to expect from my universal roleblock today. Daybreak Actions take place during the night, directly before the day starts. Any that were used last night should not have been blocked by my ability. Any that people try to use tonight should be blocked. I sort of thought I'd said that earlier but perhaps not.

As of the first post today by the mod everyone now knows as much as how the block works as I do. I'd be pretty surprised if a delayed action of some sort were able to function tonight (as I'd think that the delaying part would be canceled) but I don't know how the mechanic might work exactly if such a thing exists so I can't be sure.

@Iecerint, Katy had a result that involved learning that ortolan/FlipScythe/Xite91 was (or at least was connected to) a "benevolent spirit" according to the end of this post. I don't know what information she might be working with beyond that but she'll explain what she'd like to.

@Albert B. Rampage, do you know if the conditions for you to use your abilities have been achieved in general (either by them being public enough for you to know or by being informed that they've been achieved or not)? Could lack of something there be what caused you not to get your information?

@VasudeVa, over what span does your worship protection work? I assume it's down now due to the cancelation but is it for the night you use it and the following day or the following day and night or something else? Also, who did you worship last night? I think I've missed it if you ever said who it was going to be.

@everyone, I need to talk with Papa Zito a bit in our quick topic about a few things but I'd like everyone to be thinking about whether or not a mass claim is a good idea. I know people don't like to do them early but if we've got a solid enough core of town players who we're pretty sure we can trust it becomes much more viable early. I think we're in that situation now and it would make it easier to decide exactly how we want to proceed. Given that we can't do anything ability-wise today and I think there are already some pretty good candidates for lynching I wouldn't be opposed to doing it tomorrow but I think it might be good if it happened soon.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Iecerint, actually, that was the second time she talked about it. The first time she was more vague; I'd imagine that's what you were remembering.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Oops, wrong account. Reposting for isolation purposes.

Oh, and incidentally, someone else in the game can almost certainly explain something that I now know in a way that will make me think that they're pro-town. They don't have to any anything about it now but they should know that I'm addressing them with this post. I've got a good guess for what the explanation might be but not who it's coming from. This post is mostly just a message to them that I see the results of what they've done; if it doesn't make sense to the rest of you then I'm probably doing things right.

@Iecerint, we certainly can catch scum without a mass claim but I think we're nearing the point where just knowing what people are claiming to have done already will let us catch most if not all of the scum either directly or in contradictions later on (based on scum being forced to stake a position on abilities, role and what not now) even with minimal use of whatever powers we have access to. I envision it as an act of elimination to be coupled with the more traditional scum hunting that we'd be doing otherwise.

I should note that the more traditional scum hunting isn't really my strong point so I am a bit biased. The viability of the whole thing is one of the things I need to talk to Papa Zito about.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Massclaim is groovy baby, yeah.

Because we've already collected so much info that we'd basically just be filling in some gaps at this point. BTW Troll: Should we share our Google doc thing in a big megapost? There's not a lot of stuff there that's secret I think.

BTW, for what it's worth Plum I'm less inclined to think Snow_Bunny is town but since we're controlling her shots anyway she's not really a priority.

[Mighty Orbots]

@Albert B. Rampage, I wouldn't be surprised if town targetted you with something. You didn't really do anything outside your census stuff yesterday and I think that some people are getting antsy about you. I don't know of anyone who did target you but I do know that you draw suspicion like few others no matter what your alignment is. Also, why do you think that Precy was scum offhand? Is it based on anything other than what's been said in the game thread?

@Fate, Percy isn't a great choice for a lynch just now. I think you can figure out why; if not I'll let you know in a bit. CryMeARiver is on my short list right now though. As is chronopie. And dramonic (though perhaps that's mitigated by Plum getting the limbo stick last night and Mina's statements.) And rajrhcpfreak if he doesn't actually do something beyond that post he just made right quick. And, er, well, maybe it's not that short a list but I'll stop there. In any case, CryMeARiver is on it.

@Mighty Orbots, yeah, if we go with a mass claim the stuff at the top of the google doc is all good to put in the thread.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Parama, I'm aware that Percy was replaced by inHimshallibe and that he's been lynched and is almost certainly the godfather, yes. [sarcasm]Thank you for stepping in before Albert B. Rampage or Fate had a chance to show their awareness of all that. It was particularly helpful of you.[/sarcasm]

And yes, I am talking to myself with that last post (in that I'm talking to the other hydra head.)

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Parama, and since you're here to give such useful observations, is it time for mass claim or not. Give reasons for your answer that show awareness of the thread.

Everyone else should feel free to chime in on that if they haven't as well.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Yeah, the hydra quick topic is certainly still working. It'd be pretty silly for the game rules to cause that one to shut down. And the google docs thing was quick enough to talk about out here with the added bonus of everyone knowing that we've got a nice centralized list of information that's largely public (or that we're willing to make public) to share if there's a mass claim.

@Parama, that's not a particularly acceptable answer. If you feel that a mass claim now would help the town you should support it. If you feel a mass claim now would hurt the town you should oppose it. If you're not sure you should be able to talk about the merits on either side some. Simply citing laziness does nothing useful.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Parama, all of those things would have been true when the game started. Would a mass claim have been a good idea then?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Parama, by your argument that appears to be the case. Is it? If I'd asked whether you wanted a mass claim day one would you have said you couldn't answer the question?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Parama, so here's the deal. That's not a reasonable attitude to have in games of mafia about things which are going to make a difference in your chances of winning the game. We're supposed to be playing this game to win and that means being willing to take a stance based on what's happened in the game when a question like that comes up. As the situation changes you should be able to change your assessment of something like the value of a mass claim because the information that is gained by the various factions moves in very real ways with flips, partial claims and overall game play in the thread. You don't need to be correct every time when you're deciding if it's a good move or not but you need to be willing to at least try to figure it out.

It's like when you're trying to decide who's town and scum. You need to take stances even at the start of the game when you've got a pretty good chance of getting it wrong. As things go on your answers should become better as you've gained more information.

I let it go earlier when you said that you were still useless this game because even though the JCA got worshiped your abilities were blocked due to the universal cancellation. When you throw this reaction in though it raises flags. It doesn't sound like you're trying to play the game. Town with no abilities at all can be a huge help in catching scum if they're willing to try to think.

I'm not going to go on about this too much here (not particularly because you don't want to hear it but rather because the game thread isn't the place to have this discussion anyhow) but I very much hope that you'll change the assumptions you seem to be making about your job in the game if you're town. I'd like to win and it's definitely in my interest to have you paying attention and making decisions based on your best judgment when choices present themselves. You should in theory want the same thing as it's how you go about winning games.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Faraday, where are you seeing a top three list from Percy (or inHimshallibe) that gives Albert B. Rampage, totallynotmafia and Fate?

I see Mighty Orbots, rajrhcpfreak, totallynotmafia as a top three reported by Iecerint in his summary of QT posts but I'm not seeing anything else that might be what you seem to be referencing. What am I missing?

Also, I'm a bit more satisfied with totallynotmafia's work in the game than rajrhcpfreak's of those on the list. I've played with totallynotmafia before and he's actually playing really well here compared to what I saw last time. His lack of presence of late in the game is bothersome but it's consistent with what he's done across the site. I also tend to think that the interactions between Percy and rajrhcpfreak feel a bit more like distancing.

I don't hate the totallynotmafia vote but I think it's not my top choice just now for the type of vote I think you're trying to cast. Is there something else I'm missing at this point?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Albert B. Rampage, I was a bit surprised to see you go with Percy rather than inHimshallibe with the name and the bit about needing to wait for the flip was slightly surprising. I'm still interested in whether or not you had other reasons to think that slot was scum beyond what's been discussed in the thread.

I'm also not sure that I recall whether you claimed your worship vote for day one. Day two it seems pretty likely that you went for JCA but I'd love to hear confirmation of that.

What's your stance on a mass claim?

And more important than any of those things, who's scum in this game?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

So I don't think that people understand why I think mass claim is a good idea. The concerns people are raising seem to be mostly that various power roles are in more danger when there's a mass claim or that they become less powerful when the scum know that they're out there. In a power heavy game like this I don't particularly believe either of those to be the case (there should be too many town powers for the scum to be able to pick people off and leave the town defenseless and for most power roles, as others claim their power increases as they can select their targets more effectively given their added information.) In any case, I don't really care that much about either of those just now.

The reason that I want a mass claim is that I think we've got enough of a wedge to drive into the game in the way of essentially confirmed town at this point that the dangers associated with a mass claim at the start of a game like this should be gone. All that we should need to do to win is expand our circle of safe town at a rate which at least matches the rate at which scum kill. In the long run that wins the game. When you take the fact that we seem to have town controlling two of the three kill methods we're aware of during the nights (Snow_Bunny and DTMaster at this point) we should be able to take out people on the margins nightly faster than scum can take out people in the wedge. The point of the mass claim then is mostly to take all the information that we've already gathered individually and pool it; it might give us some scum right away; it might give us some town right away but it should allow us to piece together what's happened down the road no matter what.

I'm not going to push it any more today. As I said earlier, it feels like we're somewhat likely to make a good choice for this lynch and with all the powers blocked for today and tonight there's not that much to worry about in terms of losing information before it can come out tomorrow. I will be on it again tomorrow though and when I do I want people to remember that power roles aren't in the game to use their cool powers; we don't need to try to keep them safe just so that they get a chance to show off. Power roles are in the game to effect the balance; if they all die and it leads to a town win then they've been used well. It's not worth trying to keep them safe if doing so lowers the town's overall chances of winning due to net loss of information.

I do know of a reason to think that Albatross is likely town at this point. As we're not going for a mass claim I won't share it but, despite his overall play in the game thread, I don't think that he's a good lynch for today. I would like him to show up and actually contribute.

@DarkStalker, totallynotmafia almost certainly had the hammer from BlazezRb based on what he was trying to say about the vote counts yesterday.

@totallynotmafia, did you have the hammer from BlazezRb? Do you still have it?

@ooba, if people get released from Limbo after a day I'm not sure how much motivation dramonic would have had to put someone like SpyreX there Night One. On the other hand, I do think that his choices for the Limbo actions themselves have been reasonably pro-town. I just don't think that any of the rest of his play has been.

@chronopie, are you planning to show up and do anything today or just lurk in the background?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@dramonic, OK, that answers a question I hadn't explicitly asked about your ability to keep the same person there multiple nights in a row and about what happens if you don't submit any action at all. There are other details that could be interesting to know but they don't need to be talked about yet. In any case, unless you can keep more than one player in Limbo at once (and it sounds like you can't) I don't know that as scum you'd want to put an obviously pro-town player there; if you ever wanted to change your mind about it you'd have to let them out and when they're in Limbo they're safe from anything else the mafia might want to do to them (outside of directing a kill at you, I guess.)

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Iecerint, actually, I'm fairly sure based on how I'm getting people clear right now (and the fact that we think that the cult didn't recruit night one) that none of the core I'm working with could have been cult as of their actions night two. A cult is actually a reason to do the mass claim sooner though. If we do have players recruited then we've got more people inclined to lie about information (compared to town who should tell the truth.) An earlier mass claim should give less corrupt information on the whole.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Vote: CMAR

Baa.

VOTE: CMAR

Katy's done an excellent job outlining why CMAR has an above-average chance of being scum. Wagon plz.

[Mighty Orbots]

@Iecerint, truth be told I don't know how the cult recruitment works. It's supposed to be a modified cult so that could have something to do with a restriction on who they can recruit or when or something I'm just not thinking of at all. I do know that I'm not interested in letting fear of a cult that apparently didn't recruit the first night and that I don't think will be recruiting tonight keep me from pushing the best plan I've got to try to catch both them and the mafia. In any case, there's already been a lot of information leaked about different role names and divinities and the like. If they need some information in particular to recruit Im' guessing they've got enough to manage a couple recruits already and would get the rest as the game went on regardless of a mass claim.

Actually, speaking of modified things, those who haven't already might find it useful to take the time to look over the latest batch of roles in Tarhalidur's Mind Screw Mafia 4. I know that Tarhalindur provides some inspiration for Kinetic and I see that there is something explicitly called a modified survivor in that batch (which the various parts of Fraction Jackson could pick as their Faction.) Many of the ideas used are probably further away from normal than we're dealing with here but it's not a bad read in any case.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@DarkStalker, ug, have I mentioned that I hate BlazezRb's claims and how hard they are to make sense of? I was going with the fact that he was very clear that he'd given the hammer to someone already, that the recipient had to be a god for the hammer to work for them and that it added votes to the person above and below it. I didn't particularly think he had to be voting for totallynotmafia for it give those votes, just that it would do it automatically. In any case, totallynotmafia had more or less claimed god by claiming that he's associated with some pantheon and had the vote thing going. Now that he's claimed he doesn't have the hammer I guess it sort of has to be chronopie.

@totallynotmafia, if I had my way we'd mass claim before doing anything else right now, yes.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@ooba, that's a silly thing to ask (what do you think I'll answer?) but, no I wasn't recruited. Call it god/mortal fishing if you like (though it seems to me like my call for a divinity claim yesterday would be more along those lines) but, as totallynotmafia has just pointed out he's been claiming he's affiliated with a particular pantheon. So far as I can tell none of the other claimed men should be (Big Daddy, Hit Girl, Zelda and Technomage are the public ones just off the top of my head; I know a couple more and there might be more in the thread.) My working assumption was that affiliation was likely to indicate divinity.

@totallynotmafia, CryMeARiver has stated that the immunity to kills ended yesterday (so far as I could tell when trying to get information out of him.) I didn't get the impression that it was because of the universal roleblock or that he'd be getting it back after today. As far as the universal roleblock goes, you now know as much about it as I do. I think that it should stop the mafia kill as I suspect that should come from an ability but I'm not positive. I have taken that into account when I say that I think that a mass claim right now is the way to go.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@totallynotmafia, if the mafia's kill somehow isn't an ability and they do take someone out after a mass claim we'd still have whatever information that power role had access to with no danger of having it lost forever. With a town that's as powered as this one is, even if we lose PR's along the way we should be fine if we're coordinating. Further, as I said earlier, the purpose of power roles isn't to use their cool abilities; it's to help the town win. At this point sharing information that we've already got is probably incredibly valuable when it comes to deciding who's most likely to be scum both right now and for the future; that's what we're supposed to be doing, not keeping certain power roles alive for the sake of keeping power roles alive.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@chronopie, while you're here, did you get a hammer from BlazezRb (or anyone) and do you still have it?

If we were to claim I'd like role name, faction, abilities used and results. If people have role titles to claim that's fine too; I don't have one.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Grrrr, BlazezRb's posts are now even more frustrating. Unless anyone else wants to claim they had (and still have?) the hammer and explain what's happening with the votes I guess it's time to let it go.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

And you know what, it doesn't put him in any more danger really so I'll share more information; the mafia should know that he's not one of them and thus he's already a target tonight if they can kill. Further, no one else currently has access to this particular bit of information. VasudeVa targetted Snow_Bunny last night. He was not the redirector that was targetting her (and I really do think that the redirector should have been redirecting as they know that watching Snow_Bunny was on my list of potential actions) so unless he can target mutiple people during the night VasudeVa almost certain targetted Snow_Bunny with the protection that he's claimed. I strongly suspect that he was redirected to a known, probably town, killing role. I don't know who might have done that redirecting.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Iecerint, unless VasudeVa has some sort of information to give me to let me know otherwise yes, I think there are two redirectors.

I know someone who should have redirected Snow_Bunny to inHimshallibe (and who knew that I might be watching (at their suggestion no less) and so couldn't really afford to target her with some other action). They targetted Snow_Bunny.

I believe that someone else (identity unknown) probably redirected VasudeVa (who claims to have targetted me after I said that I'd seen people target Snow_Bunny) to Snow_Bunny as he's claimed that he targetted me but I saw him targetting Snow_Bunny. Snow_Bunny didn't get targetted by anyone else so he shouldn't have been trying to kill or roleblock her (she's alive and her kill went through) so I think that he almost certainly just hit her with his protection. VasudeVa could confirm that he didn't also target her with something else I suppose.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Re-posted from the correct account for isolation purposes:

@Mina, we (Papa Zito and I) considered something like that. There's just no reasonable way for the information we have to lead to him being scum though. I could push the less likely scenarios and see if anything falls out but it seems more direct to use the good faith approach here while I've got reasons to. Towns that are willing to work together are much more powerful than ones that tear themselves apart chasing wild geese.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Oh yeah, and somehow I keep forgetting to ask this:

@Xite91, do you know why your slot was added to the game? It came in at the start of the day Day One with DTMaster. DTMaster was recruited by Tarhalindur but ortolan wasn't at all forthcoming with how he wound up in the game. Are you able (and willing) to shed any light on that situation?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@DarkStalker, yeah, given that I don't know what tools the mafia and cult have to interfere with actions I wasn't thinking of breaking the game with our actions; they're always going to be unreliable to some degree. I propose using our information as of now to hone in on the mafia over time. My argument is that even if we lose players to the cult over time the information they'd give now should be correct and can be used to make good decisions later even if they'd have given different information after being recruited. Anything we learn later in the game becomes more suspicious as we go. I also really don't think that the cult leader should be in in the core that I'm pretty sure of now (unless it turns out to be VasudeVa given this latest line of confusion that I'm waiting to see a resolution to) so our efforts to find mafia using the current, more reliable information should help with finding the cult leader as well. Assuming only the leader can recruit that should be fine for our purposes at this point.

If we gain more information about the cult then I expect to adapt to the situation but that goes for any information gain really.

Also, I'm kind of inclined to agree with you about Albert B. Rampage. I tried to draw him out a bit today but he's staying clammed up. It's not the sort of play that makes him useful so he gets less of a pass from me at this point than he normally does. I'd like to see him lay devastation to the game thread like I know he's capable of. The fallout from such apocalyptic action can be pretty handy in determining alignments.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Mod: Could we please prod Albatross (no posts since 6/19), CryMeARiver (no posts since 6/21) and DTMaster (no posts since 6/23)?

Already prodded Albatross and CMAR (no lottery choices). Will prod DTM if he doesn't post by the end of the day.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

So for anyone who's on the fence about mass claim being a good idea now I'd like to point out that this is probably the one time in the game when scum aren't able to communicate via quick topic. If we mass claim now they won't be able to coordinate behind the scenes to adapt as a group to the situation. We're more likely at this moment to catch scum with a poor fake claim than we are at any other time in the game.

@VasudeVa, so far as I can tell SpyreX didn't explicitly say who he'd be worshiping but it's pretty likely that it would have been the GOO. Perhaps ooba would like to share his list of who claims to have done what worshiping from that night.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Welcome to the game Pomegranate.

I can confirm that I did get put in a quick topic with Plum last night and that it's an anytime QT. The lovers title is correct and Plum confirmed with the mod that we are not lovers for the game in general so that matches what others have said. I do have reason (outside of his claim just now) to believe that it was Nikanor who created the quick topic.

To refresh Mighty Orbot's Claim

Rolename: Technomage (Babylon 5 Universe)
God\Mortal: Mortal (though divinity isn't explicitly mentioned in my role PM.)
Any Worship Modifiers: None that we know of
Worship vote N1: No worship
Worship vote N2: JCA
Faction (if any): Not associated with any Pantheon
Ability: JOAT
Passive: Night Talk QT with at least Mina
Passive: Anytime Talk QT with Plum as of Night Two
N0: Assigned Day Three/Night Three as the time we'd have the universal roleblock
N1: Used hidden shared drive that let us use two abilities that night, Sane Cop/Role Cop on SaintKerrigan (Town, Set), Sane Cop on Starbuck/BlazezRb (Town)
N2: Watch on SnowBunny (Mighty Orbots, VasudeVa and one other targetted her)
Ability (if your faction gets worship votes): NA

@ooba, at the time it wasn't clear that we were going to mass claim. My putting the extra information that no one else had out there served two purposes. It made the mass claim slightly more likely to happen (which I thought was the ideal way to go.) It also made sure that that information (which no one else had) didn't go unreported. That was a potential source of confusion down the road for town claims. If mass claim didn't happen and it turns out I'm wrong about scum not having a night kill it could be an issue. In my analysis the chances of it doing harm by being unsaid were greater than the chances of it doing harm by being said.

@Iecerint, it looks like CryMeARiver is getting replaced. I'm inclined to say that if you're ready to claim next you might as well do it now unless you have a particular reason to want CryMeARiver to go next. A popcorn here would be ideal but it would also take longer than I think we want to spend.

@Xite91, is there any chance that your ghost-like status had something to do with not getting lynched Day One? I suppose you'll clear that up with your full claim.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

I can confirm that everything Pomegranate has said about her role checks out with what Plum told Mighty Orbots in our Quick Topic. The role name was new information but the rest was just confirming what had been said. It's also why I brought up the Modified Survivors in Mind Screw 4 (they've got the same win if you're alive when there are 5 players left condition.)

@Pomegranate, you should be able to look at the quick topics but not post in them. If you don't have links to them I'd check with Beholder.

@Mina, we're claiming all abilities that have been used thus far. If there are omissions that I know of I plan to talk about them after the mass claim is done and what I think of motivations. Or, if I think that there are particularly good motivations I plan on not mentioning them at all. In general though we want all the information town can use to figure out who is and isn't town that's been collected by everyone thus far to be public (as well as any consequences worship is going to have.)

@VasudeVa, I take it that you're now claiming to be a double worship voter as town? Perhaps it would be good for you to list all the information you've claimed again in the format that others have been using.

@Parama, go ahead and claim next time you're about.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

raj needs to claim like yesterday.

[Mighty Orbots]

@Parama, to let you know, thus far I have not received any items today. You might want to check to make sure you're actually able to send it right now given that all abilities are being blocked. If giving an item to someone else right now counts as an ability you probably can't do that just now.

I've also got a number of other thoughts on these claims that will be shared when the mass claim is over.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Welcome to the game AdumbroDeus.

We're finishing up a mass claim and essentially waiting on your player slot's information at this time. If you could give us the following information with your first post that would be ideal (as would the first post coming shortly):

Rolename:

God\Mortal:

Any Worship Modifiers:

Worship vote N1:

Worship vote N2:

Faction (if any):

Ability:

N1 target:

N2 target:

<repeat above for each ability>

Ability (if your faction gets worship votes):

Most of that should be clear from your role PM. If some of it isn't you're welcome to ask what we mean. Beholder should be able to let you know what your worship votes were and if you've used any of your abilities up till now (ideally he'll have done that when he sent you your role PM.)

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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So I can indeed confirm that Faraday was the last person that I saw targetting Snow_Bunny Night Two and that I believe that it was a redirect to inHimshallibe. Further I can confirm that he did say he got an item from Albatross which matches exactly what Albatross said he gave to Faraday.

I'm gone for most of the day but here are some quick thoughts about what we've got from the mass claim to mull over. Papa Zito might come on and vote while I'm out depending on what his schedule is like.

No one claimed to have redirected VasudeVa to Snow_Bunny last night. That means that I probably need to throw out my certainty that town did that redirecting to explain what I've seen and what's been claimed. The most likely explanations I can think of now are that scum redirected VasudeVa (which would indicate that Snow_Bunny is more likely scum who they were trying to protect) or that VasudeVa simply lied about his target (which makes him a decent candidate for cult if there really is one.)

I don't see an easy way to reconcile Albert B. Rampage's census numbers from night one with the fact that Xite91 says that his win condition is not the town win condition. We've accounted for the modified survivor (Pomegranate) and the two lynchers (Tarhalindur and DTMaster) which leaves cult and mafia. I have trouble thinking that the cult should have as much kill resistance as that player spot seems to have and the investigation result from Katy doesn't indicate mafia (or cult for that matter.)

I'd like to know where Iecerint got the number he cited earlier for the number of dead Norse Gods (3) and total Egyptian Gods (6?). So far as I can tell those are both high. I was going to write it off as a one time thing but he mentioned it twice.

It's already been pointed out but rajrhcpfreak's grave rob ability really probably shouldn't work on a player who was mod killed and never in the grave yard. I don't see why he'd be able to use that coroner ability he's claiming on someone that died by making the game worse so much sooner than he would for anyone who died legitimately. I also happen to know that my (previously unmentioned) one shot autopsy ability is only usable on people before they get to the graveyard. It's a bit surprising that there'd be an additional coroner component of the grave steal which happened later at a significantly different point of a character's cycle (they don't hit the graveyard until after their actual role and alignment have been revealed.)

There's probably more but that'll have to do for now.

At this point we need to sort through what we've learned from the claims, decide who we're lynching and start talking about what the plan is for worship. Regarding the last I'm inclined to try to make sure that the GOO do get to that 20% threshold in large part because I think that Nikanor's neighborizing ability is handy but I'm interested in what others have to say now that we've seen what people say they can do when worshiped.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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I'm on right quick for now; I'll be back for a more substantial post this evening but I can perhaps muddy one issue.

@Katy, the only two candidates for being left off Albert B. Rampage's Census that make sense to me at this point are Xite91 and Mina. You see the reasons for Xite91 (though I'm not convinced that they would be left off a census that was supposed to give win conditions.) Mina was put in Limbo that night and would have been untargettable by anything, presumably including the Census ability. It depends a bit on what order actions happen in but if the Limbo happened at about the same time as the kills and Albert B. Rampage's ability went after that Mina seems more likely.

Also, I agree you need not reveal what your item does at this time. I think keeping that private for now is the pro-town move everything else considered.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@Iecerint, I'm getting my info from the rule about Limbo on the front page. If dramonic cares to clarify anything further about Limbo that we don't know I won't complain.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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So, raj.

Fate keeps bouncing around and makes it hard for me to read him.

AKA no read. Kay.

Tar's claim sounds beleiveable except for the part where he says hes town. sounds like its a scum role.

So you believe Tar's claim, but that makes you think he's scum. Kay.

lasty im guessing there is a big scum presance on the CMAR wagon.

For that to be true I'm guessing you see CMAR as town. Why?

All of this was what was promised when

some more insight will come later. but i needed to let you know that i am here and trying to help.

this was posted. Not terribly inspiring.

VOTE: raj

Top 3 scums and why plz.

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So relying on Albert B. Rampage's census ability to verify anything about rajrhcpfreak is a poor idea for two reasons. The first is that there's no reason to think that we can count on Albert B. Rampage's ability working; day two is evidence of that. The second is that I don't think that there's a great reason to trust Albert B. Rampage's claims right now even if we were sure that the census would come through.

There are also multiple reasons why rajrhcpfreak's grave steal shouldn't be working like he says it will right now. BlazezRb isn't isn't in the graveyard and all abilities (even ongoing ones like the Limbo) are supposed to be canceled right now. Tomorrow when we've got BlazezRb's corpse still in the Unraveled from the Wheel category I suppose we're all supposed to believe rajrhcpfreak's cries that he had no idea that one of those two things (or something else) would stop his ability from working but that we should give him another day to prove that his abilities work how he says they do. He's stalling and we should be lynching him now as far as I'm concerned.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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Regarding Albert B. Rampage's Census, Mina and Xite91 it is possible that Census works in a way that gets around the Limbo rule. The Limbo rule is very clear that roles can override the general rules and that might be happening here. There's also some chance that the Census ability doesn't count as targeting people for some reason (I'm not sure how it should interact with a redirect for example.) It's also possible that Xite91 (who isn't killable via lynch or night kill apparently) is exempt from the Census with his special win condition. I'm a bit more suspicious of that as Katy has the investigation result of some sort on the player spot so it's clearly not exempt from everything (unless Katy's lying which I'm not inclined to believe just now.) In any case I'm less certain after sleeping on it that we've certainly got something fishy going on. It's still pretty likely but there are options that I hadn't come up with yet.

On the whole I'm fairly distrustful of Albert B. Rampage in general though. I don't like his play this game. He's explained why he hasn't been about (and I can live with the explanation) but that doesn't make him particularly like to be town. I'm also leery of the fact that he was as unaware of the whole Godfather thing after I made an effort to see if he was paying close enough attention to have picked up on it (and the implication he gave was that he clearly had.) Throw in the miller claim and I've got him listed as a decent lynch at this point.

Along those lines, I'm a bit inclined to try to get our Majority Worship to the Norse Gods tonight. I'm not sure that I want Albert B. Rampage being able to recruit someone tomorrow and it looks like that's what will happen if we worship anyone else. I can live with an invulnerable Iecerint (who I'm if anything leaning slightly town on) for a day as a trade off. No one else is saying they've got an ability I couldn't live without for a day past that (though I do like getting the GOO up to 20% and having Nikanor putting another couple people in a QT.)

@Fate, I don't care for your claim much at all but you're still low on my list of priorities. Papa Zito might have more to say about it now but at this point you strike me personally as more of a neutral read with flighty/flippant overall play than someone who's worth focusing on.

@Mina, I did see your question to people in QT's. Clearly you should know my answer to your question (yes, I know the roles of people in the White Council QT) but it really looks like the other claimed QT from the start of the game (the Norse Gods' one) did not have that feature. I can't see any way for them to have known eachother's roles based on what's been said; they didn't even know who was in the QT at all.

@ooba, Faraday's role according to my role PM (where it lists the people in the White Council QT) is Harry Dresden. I think that essentially confirms him as mortal to me. I don't think that can be the source of the problem with the worship votes day one.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@Albert B. Rampage, we had 26 living players at the start of Day Two. Your Census gave 25 results. Clearly someone was exempt from it if you're telling the truth.

Further we've already trying lynching Xite91's player slot and it failed.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@VasudeVa, interesting. Which claims would you say are scummy at this point? Which claims would you say are linked to me?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@VasudeVa, hmm, I'd think that there should be more suspicious players than that offhand. I agree about Snow_Bunny at this point (especially from your perspective) and I've been a bit up and down about Faraday myself but given the conversation we had in the QT last night and the fact that inHimshallibe was apparently the Godfather I'm fairly convinced he's town now from my overall information.

As for the links to Snow_Bunny, I guess watching counts as a link. I was pretty surprised myself when you claimed to have protected me after my result and now I'm particularly happy that we've done the mass claim while the scum couldn't talk in a QT. It means that the first explanation that I came up with doesn't work and probably you or she is not being upfront about something. Had the scum been able to chat in a QT I'm pretty sure one of them would have covered the redirect story to keep me (and thus the rest of us) in the dark.

Right now I think that you're more likely to be town out of those two spots so do keep thinking things through. Being suspicious of me is fine in this case but I wonder what you think my motives would have been to give a watch result that showed you on someone other than me if I were scum? I guess I could just be trying to confuse things overall but I don't think that fits well with the rest of my play. Perhaps others would disagree though.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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So the cider I've had this morning has been delicious and inspired questionable judgment. As such here's my list of current thoughts in thread before Papa Zito has had a chance to talk with me about it in our QT:

Town reads: Tarhalindur*
DTMaster*
Katy
Mina
VasudeVa**
Faraday
Albatross
DarkStalker***
Parama

Leaning town but largely neutral: Nikanor
AdumbroDeus
Iecerint

Third Part but harmless (or better) reads: Pomegranate
Xite91

Probaby Scum: rajrhcpfreak
Albert B. Rampage****
Snow_Bunny**

Possibly Scum: dramonic
totallynotmafia
chronopie

Somewhere in the middle: ooba*****
Fate****

*: If inHimshallibe doesn't end up being the godfather after a couple days Tarhalindur and DTMaster get a whole new classification
**: If Snow_Bunny is town then VasudeVa almost certainly isn't
***: I know that Papa Zito would put DarkStalker in another category. I don't think that scum would claim both of his one shot worship abilities when they each have so much potential to cause trouble for town if used when we weren't aware of them.
****: If Albert B. Rampage isn't scum then Fate has a better chance of being scum
*****: Again, Papa Zito is more suspicious of ooba than I am. I might put him in the leaning town category if it weren't for that.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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By the way, the VV case is wrong. I had my ability timing clarified with the mod - since it is a daybreak action, the worship votes gets activated only in the morning so it works for the next day/night cycle. Hence, VV protected spyreX for D2\N2 when he was already dead.

Incidentally, this was the timing that I was expecting to be used when VasudeVa first claimed his ability but it didn't seem to be how he thought it worked. That's why I asked the following (back before the SpyreX thing was an issue actually but rather because I was surprised he was expecting to protect me last night):

@VasudeVa, over what span does your worship protection work? I assume it's down now due to the cancelation but is it for the night you use it and the following day or the following day and night or something else? Also, who did you worship last night? I think I've missed it if you ever said who it was going to be.

VasudeVa's response seemed to indicate that I had it wrong and that he protected people that night and the following day.

@VasudeVa, could you confirm with the mod exactly when your protection normally works? ooba's timing fits the game better and was what I was expecting but you should be able to get a straight answer about it so that we're sure about what's been happening.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@Albert B. Rampage, so if I'm scum with Xite91 who are our partners?

Also, does your Census ability work on people who are in Limbo?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@Albert B. Rampage, Mina was in Limbo. She's out now and still in the game. Do you think your Census ability worked on her?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@Albert B. Rampage, Mina was put in Limbo Night One. Do you think that she was counted in your Night One Census?

As for the global block, I picked Day/Night 3 (before learning the rest of my role) because that gave me enough flexibility to either warn everyone it was coming or set things up so that the surprise would be useful for my faction whichever was more handy once I learned what my faction was.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@Iecerint, actually at this point I think it's more likely that Albert B. Rampage is mafia than cult leader. He does have his recruitment ability so that could be the basis of a modified cult something but I don't see why he'd bother outing his own faction with the census information if that was the case.

I'm not going to try to outguess the mod on flavor here (the Stargate Egyptian Gods should all be scum by flavor but they certainly don't seem to be) but I'm pretty willing to believe that if ODIN is the Godfather then having him on the scum team with his rival Loki seems plausible. Scum should also be able to gain abilities from multiple factions being worshiped so I'm not convinced that the conflict between the two would be that big a deal for the scum team. Further Albert B. Rampage's big ability that he's made public (recruiting someone to his alignment) kicks in after a couple days elsewhere. You'll note he was also calling for a Norse worship on day three despite the fact that it appears that he wouldn't want that just by his role.

I think it's a bit more likely that the cult bit is a red herring from the mafia. If Albert B. Rampage does have a faction ability as scum it'd be easy enough to add it in. If he's just faking that to stay out of people's sights long enough to get deep in the game then I sort of think that the scum team could have put together that list easily enough. There's a survivor win condition on the first page and we knew there were two lynchers by the end of day one. With no information it'd be easy enough to throw that together. It's also possible that the mafia has access to an alignment cop of some sort that would help them come up with reasonable roles. If it is a guess there's certainly no need for any Serial Killer to out that it's not true as doing so would reveal their own existance and that's largely the other role that has a good chance of being in the game I'd guess.

In any case, I'm not sure of any of that but I think it's more likely Albert B. Rampage is mafia than cult.

Actually, I've not said it explicitly up till now but I'd kind of like to lynch him tomorrow and then use my one shot autopsy on him to find out whether he's telling the truth. I won't go into exactly what the ability does but I think it'd provide reliable information even though he says he's a miller. We might even be able to swing things so that he could be revived in some way if the info I got indicated that I was wrong. That all requires that people trust me a bit and there are a number of ways it could go wrong so I wouldn't actually count on it going fully as planned anyhow. Well, the kill just requires that people not trust Albert B. Rampage and that's the thing I'm most interested in.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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Oh, and this from Albert B. Rampage given that apparently hadn't seen that inHimshallibe was the Godfather when he made the statement at the start of the day is a pretty brilliant thing for mafia to say given the way flips happen this game (but not nearly so great for any other alignment):

I also believe Percy was scum. We have to wait until tomorrow to confirm.

It's not anything close to evidence on it's own but it fits nicely with the rest of my thoughts about him.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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So for those keeping track at home here's what I think a few people have said in terms of suspicions today:

Chronopie: nothing of substance
dramonic: nothing of substance beyond totallynotmafia from yesterday

They're both welcome to dispute that if they'd like to but even more than that I'd love to see an updated list of their top suspects along with whether or not they think their votes are still relevant. I'm also looking forward to totallynotmafia's latest thoughts which he seems to indicate will be coming shortly.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@rajrhcpfreak, OK, I have confirmed with the mod that you're right and BlazezRb was in the graveyard at one point (I missed that.) To be clear about everything else you're claiming about your ability the following is what I understand:

You used your grave steal on the corpse last night and that moved it from the grave yard to unraveled from the wheel (for some reason earlier it looked like you were saying that was going to happen tonight.)
You have confirmed with the mod that you have received his role information. Either that should mean you have it now or that you're sure you're going to get it in the future (tonight?) as part of a delayed action despite the universal roleblock which cancels ongoing actions.

If you could confirm those and clarify exactly when you'll be getting your coroner information (or if you've already gotten it, exactly what it was) that'd be handy.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@ooba, the White Council quick topic is the one that Mina is in. The three of us are the only ones there. It's a council of wizards who were part of a larger council before the game started and were the only three to be sucked into the events happening here. The implications seems to me to be that we're all supposed to be good but there's nothing concrete. I'd classify us as unconfirmed masons rather than neighbors I think.

There was also the limbo quick topic with dramonic and Mina on Day Two as well as DarkStalker's QT with Plum and Nikanor.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@ooba, the people who make sense to have received BlazezRb's hammer based on what he said have denied having it so far as I can tell. Further we probably wouldn't see it's effects showing up today with the universal roleblock going anyhow.

On another note, both Faraday and Papa Zito have assumed in quick topics that with the roleblock going tonight there won't be any actual phase. I don't think that should be the case but the mod doesn't seem to want to confirm that to me. As such I'd recommend that everyone makes sure to do their worship voting before the lynch actually goes through (though after we've had more discussion about it.)

Right now I'm still inclined to vote Norse with a majority due to being leery of Albert B. Rampage while also getting 20% in to the GOO so that Nikanor can make another anytime quick topic (between two people who can't otherwise communicate but who we think are in the probably town list.)

Actually,

@Albert B. Ramapge, Norse weren't the worship target Day Two or Day Three. Do you now have the ability to summon Fenrir (next time abilities aren't blocked?)

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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Actually, something else to keep in mind for today would be that with passive abilities down worship votes probably won't come in the numbers we're expecting. There's some reason to think based on the "And for 24 hours all were mortal" in this post that everyone's worship vote might act as normal mortal worshiping. Even if that's not true we shouldn't plan on effects like Fate's worship vote counting as 4 (where ever he's coming up with that) or other such effects kicking in.

@Albert B. Rampage, actually, you're playing a game that I associate with you as scum rather than town in general (disengaged) but regardless of whether I should think you're town or not the questions I'm asking are for general information purposes. I'd want to know the answers to them regardless of your alignment.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@Albert B. Rampage, yeah, that does match what you've said but it doesn't overly change my thoughts about this game. It's also probably the case that it'd be worth making that clear in the /in-vitationals Round Two thread as I suspect people in general are planning on you being available to be in those games.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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OK, I've been talking with the mod a bit and it seems that worship votes involve abilities and are roleblocked today so we don't need to worry about what we're doing with them. Actually, I suppose I should have pieced that together from what SpyreX said about how his shift affected them (but like I said earlier, I wasn't paying that close attention to him on that particular issue as I wasn't planning on using the worship vote that day anyhow.)

@ooba, the too human bit we got from the mod about BlazezRb on his flip would have been his universe rather than the actual ability I think. That'd match the Stargate for SaintKerrigan and Sandman for SpyreX for example. Given what I can tell from the flavor of the game I could see Thor not having that passive ability (he was mostly cybernetic.) Your character in particular is the one that is too human in the game based on the description.

The mod also indicated in my PM exchange that the vote count probably wasn't right (I asked about 4 different lines that I saw that didn't make sense) and that he'd be fixing it when he got a chance.

@Iecerint, rajrhpcfreak probably did use the ability he's described on BlazezRb's corpse once it hit the graveyard (given that we know it was there for a time and it got removed.) I'm inclined to think that he's giving essentially true information about it as there's no good reason for him to be lying and he's giving the sort of information that I expect to get from my autopsy ability which should be the same thing except that apparently it happens at a different stage of the death cycle (mine works before they get to the graveyard.)

@Albert B. Rampage, it wasn't rajrhpcfreak that said he had a different win condition than the rest of us that was Xite91 (who says they don't have access to it yet if memory serves.) rajrhpcfreak is a good vote now because they're not doing anything that helps the town that I can see. Previously there was also some fishiness about the claim but that seems to add up now except that there's no reason I can think of for it to take town so long to get around to sharing the coroner stuff with the rest of us when there was clearly confusion about what BlazezRb's abilities and hammer were doing.

@rajrhcpfreak, why didn't you share that information about BlazezRb right away? Why make it look like you were going to be getting it later?

@DarkStalker, I said it before but I'll say it again here. Leaving rajrhcpfreak alive on the grounds that after a recruit Albert B. Rampage can use his census ability to tell what the alignment of the replacement has to be is a poor idea both because it assumes that the census ability will work (it didn't on Night 2) and that we can trust Albert B. Rampage (which I'm not at all inclined to do at this time.) Albert B. Rampage being busy is probaby the true (he hasn't been on much anywhere on the boards) but it doesn't make him any more likely to be town than scum. Further, the appeal to emotion (when I pushed him on other indicators of him not planning on being about after this game he gave us Post 2333) makes it feel like he's using it as an excuse for why he's playing what in my experience is his scum game.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@ooba, I do mean Iecerint's role, yeah. But why couldn't both inHimshallibe and BlazezRb have had single worship votes and been voting for the Great Old Ones night one? Is there any reason other than the Too Human universe reveals that we're assuming both of them should have had double voting powers? Or did BlazezRb/Starbuck specifically say they weren't voting night one?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@ooba, yeah, at this point I'm thinking that we confused the universe flip of Too Human with Iecerint's ability because they have the same name. I guess I'm not sure what Albert B. Rampage has been saying. He has been confirming that he's Too Human and seems to indicate that he knows that you're talking about worship votes when he's saying that so it looks like he would probably have two (which I think is good as I don't know if it would work otherwise.) On the other hand he didn't mention the double worship vote thing with his claim.

@Iecerint, where does your Too Human ability come up in your role PM (make sure you don't get modkilled answering this?) Is it under passive abilities?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@ooba, looking back in my quicktopic with her, Plum said during Night Two that she was planning on worshiping JCA the one time she talked about it. That would mean that the one vote for the Norse almost certainly had to come from either BlazezRb or inHimshallibe I think. We can get confirmation from Pomegranate about that after she's talked to the mod but unless someone is lying about something I think that at least one of those two has to have just one vote (which means it's somewhat likely that both do and that it's possible BlazezRb did get a vote in for the Norse before getting modkilled.)

In any case, this is mostly important here in terms of how likely rajrhpcfreak is to be lying about the information he got from BlazezRb's corpse (and to a lesser degree whether Albert B. Rampage really has two votes.)

At this point who are your top suspects if rajrhpcfreak is telling the truth about what he's got from him coroner's report?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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1: well kinetic makings roles (copying) from previous games and giving them to their creator is possible since i got a simular mechanic in my role (brining a player into the game from freaktown). just because tar has an ability doesnt mean its for good. i kinda buy the choseing the player and then getting the wildcard role. but it seams all too convient for him to not die now that the block happened. his participation and helpfulness in the game is very valuable in the game.

Okay but how does Tar's ability make him possiscum then?

Re: convenience, did you miss the part about the global roleblock?

2: dont really think CMAR is town. just alot of bussing and bad reasoning on the CMAR wagon.

So CMAR is scum then? Okay, why?

3: 3 scum...
DarkStalker
dramonic
DTMaster
Tarhalindur* still dont know where i stand on him.
Mina
Iecerint (gets an honorable mention for samlessly bandwagoning)

Wait, CMAR isn't here.

So for DarkStalker, dramonic and DTMaster, why do you think they are scum?

other thoughts there are alot of late joiners that are scum busing. but you all can deal with that after i die.

?

Did you just claim scum?

lulz

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This game has ground to a halt.

Let's lynch raj and move on Y/y?

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Why raj over S_B?

? There's no sense lynching Snow_Bunny. We already hold her leash.

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@ooba, regardless of his alignment, if rajrhpcfreak has a recruit ability that can only be used after his grave steal ability he wouldn't have had a chance to use it. I'm also interested in hearing what DarkStalker's theory is. As well as who you think is scum right now.

Mod: Can we please get prods on the following players (last post date in parenthesis): AdumbroDeus (7/2); Chronopie (7/4); dramonic (7/4); DTMaster (7/5); Mina (7/2); Tarhalindur (7/1)?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@Fate, apparently it's been tried by Faraday, Night One. Didn't work then any more than the lynch Day One did.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@Fate, yeah, Faraday was a one shot vig on his own. He used that Night One on ortolan (now Xite91.) After that, he received an item from Albatross that gave him a redirect he used night two on Snow_Bunny to direct her shot to the godfather. At least if we believe all the claims (and I pretty much do believe the ones that lead to those conclusions.)

The claims are interesting overall. I'd definitely read them.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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@Fate, you're not getting lynched today so help us move this rajrhpcfreak lynch through for now. After that we'll take another look at you (though I have to warn you you'll still only be like 6th or so on my list at best; Papa Zito might have you higher though if it makes you feel better.)

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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Hmm. I need to read the thread. I thought for sure my S_B case was awesome, but w/e.

FTR, I want Snow_Bunny dead. As per the usual. However, as long as she's useful to thin out the herd (and believe me, this herd needs some serious thinning out) then she can live. We can lynch her later.

I'm not particularly interested in DarkStalker's theory cuz they're scum. So.

I was sorta hoping I could get lynched and better players could use wagon analysis later on to figure out the game.

Dude, if I were playing alone I'd be right there with you. Information overload.

[Mighty Orbots]

wow the scummy people on my list.
they just keep piling on. if anyone who has a brain look at the votes and the reasoning for voting for me again and weight it out aginst the possibility of my power and having a confirmed good after we check it.

Hmm, perhaps you could be more explicit because this was the last list of scummy people you gave us (other than your lovely bussing comment):

3: 3 scum...
DarkStalker
dramonic
DTMaster
Tarhalindur* still dont know where i stand on him.
Mina
Iecerint (gets an honorable mention for samlessly bandwagoning)

And this is the list of people on your list (by which I take it you mean on your wagon)

24 rajrhcpfreak ( 7 ) - Orbots, Iece, Fate, Pom, Albatross, Parama, Xite91

I'm not quite sure who other than Iecenrint you've got in mind and Iecerint not only hasn't exactly piled on recently but also just got honorary mention on your scum list.

If you're town then you really want to explain who on that list is scummy and why so that we'll know what you've got in mind for the future.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Interesting. Apparently inHimshallibe was a godfather without immunities from investigation or night kills. I guess I shouldn't be shocked by that thinking about it now. In any case, there shouldn't have been any doubt about Tarhalindur or DTMaster after that flip but in case there was, manho flipping mafia as well should put that to rest as that was their kill.

I wasn't expecting Pomegranate to go back into Limbo but if someone's going to be there she's still the correct choice at this point I think. There's a decent chance that we'll want to have dramonic put someone we think is scum in Limbo tonight and then lynch dramonic to both kill them and get rid of his Limbo power (unless we decide that we fully trust him.) I don't like the fact that right now we couldn't kill him if we wanted to (assuming he's telling the truth about how his ability works and I'm inclined to believe he is) and I don't like his overall contribution to the game.

I think it's worth starting to figure out what we want to do with our worship votes today now. There's no reason for anyone to cast them until we've got that sorted. What do we think will be most useful to empower for the town for tomorrow?

I'm going to need to talk with Papa Zito some before I get into who I think we should be lynching today as I think that our opinions might diverge a little bit here and I'd rather work that out in our quick topic than the game thread.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Fate, scum shouldn't feel a need to hold off on rajrhcpfreak vote at that point, there wasn't any way the wagon was going to be averted and Chronopie was a pretty good candidate for votes. Mina's end of the day post is just fine and she's probably town for a number of reasons beyond our quick topic.

Oh, and now that manho has flipped I will say that you've moved to the town column for me. I don't think he'd call for a vig on a partner who was as vulnerable to it as you probably were.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

@Nikanor, you should be able to make a QT today. I'd like to officially go on record as saying that I would like to be in a quick topic of that sort with any of AdumbroDues, DTMaster or Tarhalindur.

@DarkStalker, I think that you can make a three person QT for tonight including yourself. I'd like to officially go on record as saying that I would like to be in a quick topic of that sort with either Katy, Albert B. Rampage or someone you thought was scummy who I haven't mentioned up till now in this post.

Clearly both of you can make the decisions that you like and I sort of expect that at this point I'm likely to be a tempting kill for scum but I wanted to get both of those thoughts out there now.

Also, after talking with Papa Zito a bit.

VOTE: Chronopie

Chronopie, do something in the game. The last thing we saw, so far as I could tell, was you asking us to give you a reason to bus your partner rajrhcpfreak because you were too lazy to come up with one on your own.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

Er, and because I think that last post wasn't clear on the issue, I currently think that Katy is town. I would simply find it beneficial to be in a QT with her over the night. I'm conflicted about Albert B. Rampage.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mighty Orbots]

I'm not. I want ABR dead. He's filled with delicious candy.

BUT that can wait for now. Go go gadget chrono wagon!


P.S. Troll and I are fighting about ooba right now in the QT. Troll doesn't quite share my ooba hate.
P.P.S. TNM doth protest too much.

[Mighty Orbots]

@Parama, send me your item now so that I can confirm it in thread if you will.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh