Mini 985:Madness at Night: Game over

[charter]

/confirm

[charter]

I'm gonna make the easy vote.

vote Hiphop

EDT
A lot
Dunno
Neither
CATCHER OF SCUM

[charter]

Now that I actually read all the posts, I think it's kind of strange why Wicked answered SSBF's questions, then questioned him on it. Looks like the old appease and then accuse.

I see nopointinactingup is already lurking, and that must be rectified.

vote nopointinactingup

Hiphop, why are you voting for Alamaster?

I don't like Wicked's 46. Looks like he's firing up a wild goose chase.

[charter]

Looks like Random Voting/Question Stage is over. Unvote

Why do you think this? What isn't random? Why just an unvote?

[charter]

Ugh, catch up tomorrow.

[charter]

I agree with the end of Alamaster's post here http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2313690
with regard to it looking like llama is trying to come up with a legit reason to vote Alamaster after the fact. It really looks like he's reaching with his Alamaster vote and suspicions.

There were some other of llama's arguments I thought were dodgy. And then he switches to Sando instead of Alamaster for no reason (he says "because I can") and it just looks like he's doing it since the Alamaster wagon lost all steam.

SSBF is scummy. Most of his posts are IIOAish, or just commentary on trivial things.

Top of page 5 now. No town reads at all.

[charter]

Sando's reason for voting Spyrex here http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p2315062
is really poor, and just looks like he's looking for a safe place to park a vote.

Lol. Nopoint. Claiming miller at the slightest hint of trouble. Still think this guy is suspicious. Wicked gives some good stuff here as well
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p2316748

What do you guys think about the points I have brought up against Sando in my last few posts?

Your reasons were largely gut, but I think Sando is suspect.

Llama votes Spyrex for lurking. I don't really think Spyrex is lurking. Me or Nopoint are lurking much more. I'm starting to see a pattern of voting for the sake of voting, not trying to find scum.

Wicked votes Spyrex because Spyrex got beat by mafia claiming miller before? What?

SSBF unvotes llama to vote Spyrex. I'm getting more than a whiff of a SSBF/Llama scumteam. Llama's case was Spyrex lurking, and SSBF is piggy backing on that is even worse.

I don't like the Spyrex wagon. I think the case on him is nonexistant and I'm suspicious of some of the people voting him.

unvote, vote Llama

Looks the most likely to be scum to me.

Also very suspicious of SSBF and Nopoint.

[charter]

Lol. Nopoint. Claiming miller at the slightest hint of trouble. Still think this guy is suspicious.

I didn't know what Miller was till this game, so I had to look up wiki and then ask the mod if it's okay for me to claim first day. And I didn't see anyone too suspicious of me? Only you had a vote on me .. and that was quite ironic . I've played enough to know that you'll be suspected at one period or another anyways whether you're town or scum, lurks or be active.

You're doing all you can to be suspicious. Your posts lack any content whatsoever. Then as soon as someone mentions your name, you claim death miller (easily the scummiest claim I can think of).

Llama's response to my vote is pretty much just calling me stupid, not explaining any of his actions, so real happy with my vote on him. Actually, this seems to be a major part of his defense against everyone. Shame it's just going to do the opposite of what he wants.

He makes a good point. Who are your three townies?

Ok, now I'm like 100% sure Spyrex is town and Llama is scum. You should probably not answer that since we don't have any obvtownies (obvious fishing for NK targets).

[charter]

He makes a good point. Who are your three townies?

Ok, now I'm like 100% sure Spyrex is town and Llama is scum. You should probably not answer that since we don't have any obvtownies (obvious fishing for NK targets).

That was said by Llama, not Spyrex.

[charter]

I kind of just skimmed this, but

SSBF is lying. I'm a gunsmith.

It's another reason I was pretty suspicious of Nopoint's claim.

I hope I can post tomorrow, but I'm going to be out of town wed-fridayish, might be able to post on wednesday.

[charter]

Gunsmith and cop in the same game? I find that extremely unlikely barring all the mafia being investigation immune.

As for why I didn't counterclaim miller, that's stupid. I'm not going to out myself after a claim that's scummy all on it's own and doesn't need any help. And plus, I've been in a game with a gunsmith and miller (though the setup was pretty horrible). You don't see how countering after death miller and cop are different situations?

And why I am claiming now, so we can just lynch the scum today, and not deal with this "oh I was roleblocked" for two days while we lynch not as scummy people.

I didn't vote because I have no idea what the votecount is, didn't want to quickhammer.

[charter]

I can't know for certain, but from a setup balance perspective, I find it extremely unlikely there is both a Cop and a Gunsmith are together in this game.
There being a gunsmith decreases the chance of you being miller in my opinion, since the roles don't really work together.

[charter]

Ok, finally back in town, I'm reading now and will have a post in a few hours.

[charter]

Alamaster's "give SSBF a night" I think is an acceptable plan. Largely because I find Llama so suspicious that it eliminates the issue of lynching someone not as scummy. I don't really care which of those two we lynch today.

Except for the fact that most people found it un-scummy. Once this was evident, I would find it more likely that you would counterclaim a miller instead of a cop. I will explain this farther down.

I'm not going to think something just because everyone else does. I think claiming miller is scummy (since there's way more benefit to claiming it as scum than town). Everyone else not thinking his claim is scummy doesn't have much bearing on what I think. Plus, I find his play pretty suspect as well.

1.If you are absolutely sure of yourself that someone is scum, which in this case you are, then wouldn't you want to lynch scum? Unless of course you don't want the town to get in an uproar, that you are mislynching a townie?

2. Even after I call you out on it, you still don't vote.

1) I don't understand. You're taking my lack of an immediate vote as proof that I don't want to lynch SSBF, which isn't true at all.

2) Even after you called me out on it, I still had no idea what the votecount was.

Now I am more fishy of the SSBF claim, mostly because I am bias, but Charter is really spitting out scum tells. I am just not sure of what to do at this moment.

How am I "spitting out scum tells"?

Still have no idea what the votecount is. Last one had Llama at more votes than SSBF.

MOD, can we get a votecount, please?

[charter]

I think claiming miller is scummy (since there's way more benefit to claiming it as scum than town). Everyone else not thinking his claim is scummy doesn't have much bearing on what I think. Plus, I find his play pretty suspect as well.

Nopo is at L-4. Vote with me.

Yeah, his claim, his play, and now his self vote. Anyone not voting him at this point is just making excuses.

unvote, vote Nopoint

Alamaster's "give SSBF a night" I think is an acceptable plan. Largely because I find Llama so suspicious that it eliminates the issue of lynching someone not as scummy. I don't really care which of those two we lynch today.

Which 2 are you talking about?

I was talking about SSBF and Llama.

[charter]

Yeah, now I don't have to waste my investigation on you.

[charter]

You're voting yourself. You have no room to call out others for voting you.

[charter]

I support lynches on all self voters (barring those situations where self voting is a good idea).

[charter]

There's a whole lot more reason to lynch you other than your claim.

[charter]

Podium's recent defense of Nopoint is superbad. Mafia wouldn't want him to be lynched if he's scum, though now a bunch of you are going to assume he is town after he flips scum. You completely discount the possibility of Nopoint being scum.

I'd go for a Podium or Llama lynch if we're allowing the scumbags to live another day.

[charter]

You know what I hope happens. I hope that we run a legit power rule up before deadline, they claim, everyone unvotes, and we scramble and no lynch. That way, next game I'm in where someone claims a power role day one, I have yet another game to point to and say "See, this is why claiming a power role shouldn't save you". Even better would be if we lynch the power role we're about to run up.

[charter]

Alright, since I never have any idea what the votecount is in this game, and now it's actually kind of important...

Llamaeatataco 3-(AlmasterGM, SpyreX, Sando)

nopointinactingup 4-(hiphop, charter, Wickedestjr, Super Smash Bros. Fan)

Sando 1-(llamaeatataco)

hiphop 1-(nopointinactingup)

Wickedestjr 2-(podium123456, crypto)

6 to lynch

I'm keeping my vote on whichever of Llama or Nopoint has more votes. I should be around before deadline to change if necessary. Not voting Wicked or Sando or Hiphop.

Besides that, do you not feel that what i pointed out about wicked is really scummy? Do you still think im scummy after i responded to your allegation?

No. Since I'm willing to lynch Nopoint today, if I thought he was suspicious of doing the same thing it'd be pretty hypocritical. What I find scummy about you is how you keep defending Nopoint. You're doing it by trying to start up wagons on other people, like two days before deadline.

Also, you and all the other Nopoint defenders are ignoring his scummy actions and instead strawmanning the case on him down to "death miller claim" which is a fairly minor reason why he should be lynched.

[charter]

Oh yeah, and

unvote, vote Llama

[charter]

So that makes Llama at four and Nopoint at three.

[charter]

Honestly, I'd lynch Podium as well, mostly just because I don't like him, though he is quit a bit anti town with all his wagons right before deadline. He doesn't discuss stuff. He just tries to bully you into thinking what he wants you to, which quite frankly, I don't want to have to listen to anymore.

Hey charter, why don't you investigate llama instead of nopo?

What?

Lol, here's the Spyrex wagon coming. What a joke.

[charter]

Ok, People I would lynch (in order of preference):
Llama, Podium, Nopoint/SSBF
I'm not voting anyone else.

[charter]

I tried to investigate Nopoint, but was roleblocked.

vote SSBF

Seems pretty straightforward at this point.

[charter]

Why would charter-scum fake-claim gunsmith at that interval, hiphop?

That's a really good question.

Why should we lynch Llama over SSBF? I don't really see how it matters one way or the other.

[charter]

I don't get why we're lynching llama first. Wouldn't it be better to let alamaster investigate another night and see what that brings us and lynch SSBF today? Pretty much regardless of Llama's flip, SSBF is still probscum. Why don't we just lynch him first?

[charter]

If lynching SSBF didn't make more sense than Llama, I'd hammer Llama in a heartbeat with how ridiculously scummy he's being with all these pleas.

[charter]

What smells funny about my play?

[charter]

Llama's last post is hilarious. 'He did it as scum because he'd do it as town'. I don't think suspicions get any more flimsy than that. So hilarious that I don't even care about lynching SSBF anymore.

unvote, vote Llama

[charter]

I just reread it again, and I'm still laughing.

[charter]

Llama's last post is hilarious. 'He did it as scum because he'd do it as town'. I don't think suspicions get any more flimsy than that. So hilarious that I don't even care about lynching SSBF

first

anymore.

Left a word out there

[charter]

I'm moving today/tomorrow. Not sure when internet is going to be hooked up in my new place, so V/LA for a few days..

[charter]

^I agree with Crypto's statement.

I think Charter's claim seemed like a town claim. Not because it was a counter claim, but the claim itself.

However SSBF's action of saying Almaster is innocent,

after

almaster's claim, rattles my cage. Why as scum would he do that? i really do not think scum would do that.(wifom)

i have been thinking about those two things for the last two days, yet I do not buy three cops. And I don't care what alignment they are, there are not three cops in this game.

SSBF's report, for me anyways, solidifies Almaster town. So scum is among one of the other 2.

I'll go with Charter.

vote charter

Also something that catches my eye is that Charter was supposedly roleblocked. Therefore if he were scum, no confirmed townies. Didn't somebody yesterday on the SSBF wagon say they didn't want to go through SSBF saying he was rb'd day after day. Yet it wasn't SSBF that said he was RB, it was Charter. Granted of course a roleblocker is common, but the fact that it was said before the night, and then he comes out and says it, irks me.

Guys think about this- Charter's claim does not match with the setup. Godfather, Miller. Are you saying that a gunsmith is in the game? I don't think so.

Llama still not going to claim? Your choice, not mine.

If I was scum, why would I just not say that Nopoint has a gun? The only possible scenario is if I'm scum with him, but I don't think anything is considering that. Why would I fake a roleblocking on myself instead of roleblocking SSBF?
I'm not following any of your other accusations against me. I've been in a game with a gunsmith and a miller, probably multiples. You're just speculating on the setup to try and lynch me.

I really didn't have a lot of time, I should get internet on friday, so I'll be able to fully catch up this weekend.

[charter]

I think mafia may have stood a chance at winning if I was told my correct scumbuddies before night one and if a dead person wasn't allowed to use their ability. Both modscrewups were pretty major and majorly hurt the scumteam. As it stands, really no way we could have won with this poor/biased modding.

Good job town, though.

[charter]

Also, I tried lurking hardcore as a scum strategy this game, did it work well or no? I don't think I'm going to try it any more regardless, since it's not much fun.

[charter]

I claimed gunsmith because I thought it would cement me as town, everyone would be like "oh, charter wouldn't do that as scum, he must be town!" which I guess kind of worked. I was told you were my scumbuddy instead of SpyreX, had I known you weren't scum, I'd have voted you when the wagon formed on you instead of defending you.

[charter]

And then those constant one day deadline extensions day one, gave town enough time to get their thumbs out of their asses and blindly lynch someone, who turned out to be mafia, rather than the no lynch.

[charter]

Of course it didn't help I thought crypto was my partner d1 and not charter soo.

Wait, you didn't know who your scumbuddies were either?

[charter]

I would love to hear and thoughts and concerns they have about this game.

A suggestion would be to let the mafia talk pregame, that would have resolved a conflict, and really doesn't do a whole lot for them strategically.