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@ Merkebah: Because originally I thought you were voting me for the same reason Karma was so I voted you to show you I did not think vote changing in the RVS was scummy (and because I felt spiteful ), but after looking at it again I realized you don't really have a reason for voting me, at least one that's given (unless the slight allusion to bandwagoning was true). Now I'm asking why you are voting me.
@ Karma: Your reasoning is god-awful. There are many reason I could have for changing votes, and you have absolutely no proof that yours is the correct one. I explained one of my votes above, and I think the others should be clearly self-evident.
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OMG I didn't notice Empking even posted because of his lack of avatar. And it votes me -- for flipping. And nothing else has been said...
UNVOTE: Karma
VOTE: Empking
While Karma's reasoning is erroneous, at least he's making the effort to provide reasoning. I see no similar attempts from you (or even posts, for that matter).Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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@ Muthaa: Quite literally the only thing Empking has done is vote me for exactly the same reason Karma has. My point is even though Karma is flat-out wrong, at least he's making an effort. As far as I can tell, Empking is lurking while voting on someone else's (flawed) reasoning. Which one looks worse?
Also, I never said giving crappy reasoning was a town tell. Would you mind not putting words in my mouth, please? Thank you.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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Given that I've explained why what I'm doing isn't scummy and you have given no proof to support your accusation (that I'm nervous scum and that's why I'm changing my votes), I think I'm validated in saying your reasoning is crap.Karma wrote:Repeatedly calling my reasoning crappy just makes you scummier. Just because you say "wah wah wah it's not a scumtell i'm not scummy" doesn't make it so.
@ Muthaa: It's been a good while since the game started. Empking has only one post, and it's a vote on someone who's been generating a bit of controversy for the same reasoning given by other people. This is worth checking out.
And what the hell? IknowKarma'sinitialvote on me was random, and that he supported it with "reasoning" later. What does this have to do with anything? It looks like you put that in there just because it makes me look scummier.
Do you know how to read, Muthaa? Because Empking's post quite clearly says "Vote: Oop - flipping." I never said he didn't give reasoning. I said he piggybacked off of someone else's reasoning and has added nothing since.
And once again, I never said giving crappy reasoning was a town tell. You're just putting words in my mouth. You continue to put words in my mouth, along with bringing up an irrelevant point that, when phrased a certain way, makes me look bad.
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1. So I missed the timestamp. Regardless, he has only made the one post, and he needs to get in here and post stuffs. Compared to other people, he's not doing much, and his vote on me is clear sheeping.
2. Eh? What was this in response to?
3. I define "reason" as the summarized version of why you're voting, and "reasoning" as the explanation why your reason is valid. Empking provided a reason, but has not provided reasoning. His reason is the same as Karma's. Hence, "piggybacking."
4. You still haven't proven that I said providing crappy reasoning is a town tell. If you can't do that, you're putting words in my mouth.
I FoS'ed you because I'm not inclined to move my Empking vote at the moment.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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Robocopter's recent post definitely reads like an AtE. Will need to reread him later and see if any of the points Merk brought up about him hold water. I'm not gonna hammer him now, though. I'm not stupid. (He's my brother.)
@ Muthaa: Any reason why you aren't voting at the moment?
If Empking's not doing anything whatsoever my vote isn't going to change anything.
UNVOTE: Empking
VOTE: HersheyKiss
Wake up and talk about stuff.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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No, although I'm amused that you thought that was what I meant. It was actually supposed to be a joke.robocopter87 wrote:Wow. This is quite unexpected. Way to try and fill up the open games bro. Way to sneak by me too. Are you really?
Stupid is my brother. Think about it for awhile and you should get it.Oopidstay wrote:I'm not stupid. (He's my brother.)
Also, your recent post is scummy. You avoid most of the important issues raised against you . Regarding the parts you chose to address, you quoted Paltry out of context (he has more reasons for voting you than meta), you selectively quote a trivial part of Merk's earlier post and make an equally irrelevant remark about it, and you try to make people prove that youexpresslysaid it's not scummy to do scummy stuff in the RVS, when youopenly admittedto acting scummy in the RVS, and are even now arguing that it's not lynch-worthy because you were merely "trying to get out of the RVS".
Is it possible that we caught scum this quickly on Day 1? My gut screams for me to hammer, yet my mind is still in disbelief. (Assurance factor: I don't plan on hammering until more discussion is had.)Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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Answer my question first, and then I'll answer yours. Thank you.Muthaa wrote:@Oopid: Explain to me why I should hurry up and vote while there's still lot's of time left for that.
@ Robo: Forgive me if I take your words with a grain of salt.
Also, noting that you once again avoid addressing the main issue while addressing something that is trivial. If you're trying to convince me that you aren't scum, you're failing. Miserably.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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So you haveRobocopter87 wrote:Oh Facepalm. Sorry dude. I am such an idiot. I actually have a brother who plays MAfia and thought that he had played in this game as an Alt. You are a townsperson so it made sense to me. Sorry.
Also, Merk told me to post where they said that. Not all of what they said. He said to tell me where they said that their reasons were that. So I did. Ya there are a lot of other reasons on why I'm getting voted. But I showed the ones Merk asked for. Oopid lets be real here. I can't defend against everything. Some points are legit. And I can't just go and say, well, I guess your right and then be beat. Everyone knows theirs going to be an attack with a few pieces of the story missing and a defense with a few peices with the story missing. This lack of peices provides a constant discussion topic and discussion makes Mafia go round. Just being real with you for a second, and don't tell me its not true.oneexample from someone other than yourself, and even then I am hard-pressed to see how that fit the definition of "ehh scummy".
It provides discussion, true. It also gets people lynched. Theory is very nice and all, but what's the point if all it does is hang you in a noose? (And you better not say "I'm sacrificing myself so the town can start discussion." That would induce an epic /facepalm post from me.) If you're town, you try to explain your logic behind what you did. If people don't believe you...well, ain't life a bitch?
Also, your post was still AtE. Deny it all you want. I'll only believe it if I see your corpse hanging from a noose with the word "town" written on its forehead like the Mark of the Beast. (I will also accept the word if it's written on the back of your right hand.)
@ Muthaa: Just because I believe Karma's reasoning is crappy does not mean that other people must also believe its crappy (as you have demonstrated yourself by agreeing with Karma). The question is why do you agree with Karma's reasoning for voting me, and yet withhold your vote. That's something that isn't making sense to me.
As for your stance on "just throwing votes", having a vote on someone makes you take a stance. Not voting anyone (except in certain circumstances) does the town little good. My take on it, at any rate. Anyone else agree with me?Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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Not particularly, but we have three lurkers right now, and I only have one vote, sadly.PaltryExcuse wrote:Empking came back. As your vote was on him earlier, do you think the post suffices the time away?
I would hardly say I'm "leading a charge" against Muthaa. I'm asking him questions about his behavior, and at least where his voting is concerned, I am satisfied with his answers. What's left over is not yet vote-worthy material, at least over the lurkers.PaltryExcuse wrote:Secondly, you're leading a charge against Muthaa. Is that enough to vote him over Hershey / Empking who are lurking? I'm getting the impression by your posts you suspect Muthaa to some degree but I wonder why your vote is not on him instead.
As for my "rallying," I was just curious if people shared my opinion on why town should be voting.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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So you have nothing to say about the leading wagon, yet deride an innocuous comment that was backed up by reasoning, and you make a tiny push on an alternate wagon that has little support right now.Hershey Kiss wrote:
I hope you're joking. Reading up some more, I guess not. This makes me sad.Merkabah wrote:
Yay scumslip!Robocopter87 wrote:
Lol no I wanted to get rid of RVS by being scummy in RVS. Cause your right,Merk wrote:So... you wanted to draw out teh scumz by being scummy? Try again, cause town looks for scummy stuff too.
lolreactions doesn't work. Try scumhunting.
(director voice)Take 2, ACTION!Town looks for scummy stufftoo. And whentheysee scummy stuff they talk and now I think we are out of RVS.
lolreactions do work, they wouldn't be so popular if they just failed miserably. I am scumhunting. But Its kinda page 3 and I really kinda think its impossible too just like call out the scum for the whole game. I can give it a loltry. I hereby declares that the scum will end up being Paltry and Kthxbye! If I am right I will laugh so hard.
Take 2 isn't needed.unvote
VOTE: Robocopter87
This, however, is a good point. I still think Karma is scum.Merkabah wrote: @Karma: Why are you still voting him if you don't want a quicklynch? Can't he talk without your vote on him?
And you've been lurking.
FoS: Hershey Kiss
If Robo is scum, Hershey is a nice candidate for a scumbuddy.
Mod: Did you say how many of each role there are in this game? I'm too lazy to go hunt it down in the Open Queue.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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What proof do
youhave, Karma? As in, link games plz.
So scum can't point out suspicious things that townspeople do and try to exploit said suspicious things to create mislynches? Suspicious does not always equal scummy.Karma wrote:P.S. What does that even mean - scum trying to exploit something suspicious-looking?
If you agree that it is suspicious-looking, then isn't that just called...scumhunting?
Vote: Hershey Kiss
For doing the same thing Karma is doing.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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There's a third option: the scum performing the NK was jailkept. Regardless, you're correct in that PRs shouldn't out themselves now.Kthnxbye wrote:@karma and the rest: VERY BAD idea. Are you kidding me? In this set up, there are only 2 explanations of why there was no NK. One: scum chose to not NK anyone to confuse us or Two: the person the scum targeted was jailkept.
Not keeping you in mind on D1 =/= scummy.
Why else do we have mislynches?Karma wrote:Suspicious does not always equal scummy...? Huh?
Because Hershey was pushing you as an alternative lynch to Robo yesterday, and yet today he goes straight for the shifty-looking guy without even mentioning you. So he did the same thing you're doing, but isn't saying anything about his top suspect from yesterday. With his posting frequency, that amounts to ignoring you altogether. This is scummy. And suspicious.Karma wrote:Why are you voting Hershey instead of me?Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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Suspicious is behavior that's odd and can look scummy. Scummy is a descriptor for things scum would do. Suspicious =/= scummy.Karma wrote:Because townies do scummy things. Tell me, what is the difference between suspicious and scummy?
This is turning into a battle of definitions. How about we drop it?Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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I have explained it adequately enough that people with a decent amount of intellect can understand it. (Yes, this can be interpreted as an insult.) If you can't figure out what I mean, that's your problem.Karma wrote:No. You called me out for something that is stupid (or should I say oopidstay) and doesn't make any sense and I want you to explain it.
This is the last I intend to talk about this topic.
Spoiler: Prediction
@ Empking: Weird =/= scummy.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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I'm a little confused. Muthaa's vote-post on Karma made sense to me. I didn't like Karma's reaction to it. Then Muthaa posted a reply to it that I didn't like, and Karma's reply to that was one that I liked.
Dammit.
Empking only had four posts yesterday. One of them was a piggyback vote for me for bad reasons. Two of them were pushing a Robo lynch. The last one was a vote for Robo.
Empking only has one post today. He calls Kiss' actions scummy and votes me for weird stuff and being "kind of reaching." Among the three lurkers, he's beginning to rise to the top.
Unvote: Hershey Kiss
Vote: Empking
Kthnxbye is beginning to try my patience as well. He better have content up soon, or flames will be turned in his direction.
Hershey is not responding to my vote and requires a more direct form of stimulation.
Mod: Does Hershey Kiss merit a prod yet? If so, taser him in the balls, please.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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I'm afraid you'll need to be a bit more specific than that...Muthaafucka wrote:@Oopid: what didn't you like about it?
Merk, what's so important about Hershey Kiss being an alt or not?
@ Emp: You're voting me. Why aren't you trying to get other people to vote for me?Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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Isn't that the point where you start asking me more questions, especially pertaining the reasons you voted for me in the first place (I did respond to that, btw)?Empking wrote:Oopi: You wen't saying anything and I couldn't gage where everybody else was in regards to their feelings on you.
@ Paltry: Karma's disappearance is intriguing to note, but right now my attention is on Empking. In my mind at least, among the current crop of lurkers, I think only one is likely to be scum. The other scum, ideally, would be trying to appear active to counterbalance his partner's lack of presence and make it that much harder to catch the team. That's my speculation, at least.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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Sorry about my absence, all, I had a lot of things come up unexpectedly. Looks like I didn't miss much, though.
Empking needs to be lynched. Get with the damn program, peeps. (On the other hand, Karma coming out of the darkness to vote Emp and then creeping away is setting off alarms...)
@ Muthaa: I didn't like it because you misrepped Karma's earlier play, and I don't like misreps.
This is not an answer. Why are both of them scummier than Emp?Hershey Kiss wrote:They are both scummier than he is.
@ Paltry: Is Empking an acceptable lynch for you?Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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You know what, fuck it. That vote waswaytoo damn opportunistic to let it go unpunished.
Unvote: Empking
Vote: Karma
I'm comfortable with either one, but for now, Karma's my guy.
@ Paltry: That question to you still applies, though.
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Actually, whether or not Battle Mage/Muthaa was jailkept N1 doesn't necessarily make him scum. N1 lasted for the full 3 days and ended in a no-kill. N2 lasted one day and resulted in a kill. It's quite possible that the scumteam simply did not get a kill submitted on time for N1.
I support massclaim today as well.
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mykonian wrote:And there is no real reason to wait with itmykonian wrote:I wonder, why did you even choose to not post something?VP Baltar wrote:Paltry, you're probably right about NLing today I suppose.If we are going that route, then we should just stop discussion to limit the information to the scum.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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@ mykonian: I will post my rebuttal to your allegations, among other things, tomorrow, regardless of whether you are alive or not. Until then, silence is golden, and duct tape is silver.
@ Empking: Then why not go ahead and vote no-lynch instead of just saying you agree with it?Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.- Oopidstay
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For the record, I play to win, not to draw. I, at least, am following my win condition.
mykonian wrote:I'm sorry? Am I misreading this? why hershey and not Karma?
Would you mind at leastOopidstay, Day 2 wrote:Because Hershey was pushing you as an alternative lynch to Robo yesterday, and yet today he goes straight for the shifty-looking guy without even mentioning you. So he did the same thing you're doing, but isn't saying anything about his top suspect from yesterday. With his posting frequency, that amounts to ignoring you altogether. This is scummy. And suspicious.checkingto see if I already answered a question or not?
I saidmykonian wrote:You have never voted Muthaa. This is your only FoS in the game while you were known for switching votes easily.in my very next postthat I FoS'ed Muthaa because I didn't want to move my Empking vote yet. Seriously, would it kill you to actually read the thread?
Got proof for those speculations of yours?mykonian wrote:you aren't discussing, you aren't scumhunting. You are only: adjusting to the fact the night went wrong and you didn't know what to say (get the ball rolling? lol. With those two words!).
What I said is the same thing as saying, "I've got concerns with this guy but I'm not going to vote him yet because it'll be the hammer." That's not scummy.mykonian wrote:And you didn't want to hammer too soon because the town might blame you for the mislynch.
It seemed to be in the imminent future at the time of my writing. It should still be an imminent thing. Your opposition to that lynch is as anti-town as it gets.mykonian wrote:And the most fun I have is with the answer for Paltry: you are first saying Empking is going to get lynched anyway. I see non of such sings and I have already stated I will oppose that lynch because empking doesn't play as scum here.
First, show me exactly where I said anything to the effect of "You made a case on me, you must be scum" with regards to Karma. And with the way you keep distorting posts to make me appear scummy, hell yeah I'm going to look at you as scummy. At the time of writing that post, that was all I had to go off of for you. Now there's more, and your continual inability to read the thread before firing your cannons is markedly disturbing.mykonian wrote:Then you are doing the same as you had with Karma too: I make a case on you, I must be scum. You don't have a single point against me, only that my case on you might be a "badly-constructed counterwagon to the imminent Empking lynch". Talking about manipulative sentences, this is the top.
See first part of this post.mykonain wrote:I'm going to answer VP's question for him. I might be tunneling now, but the answer should be obvious to any town, but you seem to be different again. When you want a draw? when you are in the disadvantage. We have had 2 mislynches, we are currently in MYLO. I think that counts. One mislynch and we have lost. That's why we want a draw
Now I'll respond to some VP stuff, even though he's dead.
Beginning of Day 3, and my gut was getting a tingly feeling. You're dead and flipped, now, so my gut was wrong on that one.VP Baltar wrote:orly? since when?
See first part of this post.VP Baltar wrote:You've officially gone up in scumminess for asking this question.
I insult people, not stupidity. (Or was it the other way around?)VP Baltar wrote:All of that being said, I agree with myk about the insulting instead of defending from oopid looking scummy.
Speak of the devil, and he shall come.Empking wrote:Though I might always vote for who I find scummy, there's no rush with No Lynch so I'd prefer to get everybody posting first.
As much as I'd love to vote you, Myko, Empking needs to die first. Because I'm still a little unsure whether you're scum or just acting stupid.
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@ Myk: I admit I may not have handled things well on my end, but your case on me was rather terrible. Especially where you kept making arguments about points without bothering to see if I'd responded to them or not. I just didn't get that across well enough.
gg, scum. Paltry did a good job fooling me, and my opinion on lurkers is forever shaken.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm. - Oopidstay
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