Karma Mafia (Game Over!)

[dybeck]

And all: I'm going to be V/LA in a few days for a week. (Probably V/NA).

Mod

: Is it possible to not be replaced, but to delegate my vote to another player while I'm away?

[curiouskarmadog]

what nights did you do what (second request)

CKD, ABR, (and is there one other?) you've claimed vanilla - if I investigate you and find you're something else, it's gonna look pretty suspicious. If you're lying and town, you might want to consider how this is going to look. Not really sure what advice I have for you in this instance, though. You may still have good reasons - particularly those of you with a track record of fake claims.

this is a strange post. Almost like a threat of some sort. I am surprised you havent investigated me yet, especially after my post about Esp. Any reason you havent? Explain to me what prompted you to say the above.

[boberz]

Ok there should be an investigative role in the game I think. But dybeck's seems quite weak I think. I would be suprised to have this role and a role blocker and a way for roles to malfunction. Partucularly if there is no massive protown power roles.

Either shanba or dybeck are scum I think. But not both. Both the cliams have to be correct but neither are allignment specific.

Behind that ABR has made two or three useful comments today more than usual but still not enough. I think I would be very annoyed if I didnt suspect him, but for a strange reason I dont.

I cant see why dybeck didnt check abr at any point, seems really obvious to me after a fake claim and a lot of arsing around.

[Patrick]

Votecount

NickF227 (1) -- dybeck
dybeck (2) -- Javert, NickF227
Jahudo (1) -- Shanba
curiouskarmadog (1) -- Albert B. Rampage

Not voting: boberz, Espeonage, curiouskarmadog, Jahudo
9 alive, lynch at 5.

Deadline: 15th of July.

Mod: Is it possible to not be replaced, but to delegate my vote to another player while I'm away?

You can't proxy your vote to someone else, but you can avoid being replaced.

[Javert]

I've read up on the latest, but I don't know if I will time to read back on earlier days any time soon.

For dybeck:

1.)

Claim what nights you targeted who, and whether you used your Strong or Weak mode.

2.)

Second, what is the difference between your Strong and Weak mode? As far as I can tell, you still have just claimed one thing.

3.)

I do not understand why your results are apparently "Vanilla" and "Not Vanilla" (instead of "Villager" and "Not Villager," which would be more in-line with this game). How would bv310 or Sando (Mafia Goons) have turned up? Would they have been "Vanilla Mafia"?

[dybeck]

Order was Pom, Bob, Faraday, Esp, Nick, all using my strong mode. My weak mode is something entirely different, yet related, which I'm not prepared to claim at this point.

What exactly is the point of this conversation, apart from satisfying your respective curiosities? I think we've pretty much established I'm not the lynch for today, and this is just taking us out of the way.

[dybeck]

And Javert, Nick: You will need to significantly improve your own town credentials before I start answering your questions. Kthx.

[Espeonage]

Question. Do you get any alignment information or is it just vanilla or non-vanilla?

[boberz]

He has already explained it is not allignment stuff.

vote dybeck

you are losing the luxury of telling us what you will and wont say.

[Shanba]

What exactly is the point of this conversation, apart from satisfying your respective curiosities? I think we've pretty much established I'm not the lynch for today, and this is just taking us out of the way.

I don't see how that's been established at all, but that's by the by: how are you so sure that you'll be able to tell us on another day? Furthermore, if you have information that condemns someone and you tell us at lylo or something, then we're fucked as we have to try and work out a 50/50 rather than being certain that the liar will go down. And you don't necessarily know what information will condemn someone either given that you don't know what other town power roles are in the game.

A better question: What exactly is the point in hiding this information, apart from satisfying your ego?

[Albert B. Rampage]

wow wtf, full claim already.

[Javert]

For dybeck:

a.)

Explain why you targeted the players you did. This also encompasses curiouskarmadog's question about why you did not target him.

b.)

Explain your Weak Mode. I first asked you to effectively explain your role on June 9, and it is now July 2. The fact that you have protracted your claim for this long is ridiculous.

For Shanba:

a.)

dybeck asked you a question about your role. Simply because the focus is currently on dybeck, that does not excuse you from answering questions posed to you. Please answer it.

[boberz]

Dybeck if you want the game ot move away from you so easily then I suggest you explain all.

I find dybeck's 'im not the lynch for today so focus on someone else' a very self preservation like attitude, which is not good.

[Javert]

Dybeck, do you have a reason to think Pome might actually be town here?

Honestly, no. Actually, I do take on board all the reasons she's been voted.

But I'm just thinking about risk versus reward. We've got a real potential tangible reward in keeping Pomtown alive, and nobody's really put a case that there's a real drawback in keeping Pomscum alive for a night - to see if a tracker or cop can confirm her one way or another tonight, and to get some further usable info from her night action tonight - usable info which will be confirmed fact if we decide to lynch her tomorrow.

Is the main problem that there's nobody else screaming scum?

dybeck, if you had a "Not Vanilla" result on Pomegranate and Pomegranate had claimed Hider by this point, why did you not at least drop a breadcrumb here when you were point-blank asked if you had

any

reason to think Pomegranate might be Town? Also, why suggest that a "Tracker or Cop can confirm her" when you now claiming to be an investigative result with your Strongest possible result on her already?

I find it further confusing that you would apparently leave an entire post dedicated to breadcrumbing your

role

, but not a single post actually breadcrumbing a single one of your

results

. That is the very definition of leaving yourself an "open" fake-claim where you can fill in your results later as you please, and as your situation requires.

[curiouskarmadog]

I think we've pretty much established I'm not the lynch for today, and this is just taking us out of the way.

I dont believe this is a true statement, please claim fully.

[boberz]

Does it differenciate between scumvanillas, or scumprs????

This is important, it is the logic that clears me, but if you have got a vanilla result and are assuming this is ok when really it does nothing for you then we are in angerous territory.

[NickF227]

We have to improve our credentials?

In my opinion, he forgot about the different modes when coming up with this fakeclaim, and is stalling for time. Lyyynch.

[boberz]

Dybeck: 'can i delegate my vote to someone'

read

Dybeck: 'Can I make a quick lynch much easier for my scumteam?'

[dybeck]

OK. Bored now. Have fun in your lylo tomorrow.

Don't vote boberz or Esp.

[boberz]

Explain how your play is actually helping town?

And if you are sure you are dying why continue to not share your info?

DO you realise scum have a much better probability of being able to work out what you did?

Why use your strong mode every night?

[curiouskarmadog]

going to be busy for the next 2-3 days(holiday)...only skimming till then..

[dybeck]

Boberz, you are making this game very easy for scum, you know.

Imagine I'm not scum. You are allowing them to win this game in an abcolutely effortless way. All they need to do is sit back and wait while you lead a stubborn charge headlong into lynching the one person that can keep them from winning this game.

You really should at least let scum do some of the work - you'll have no idea who they are tomorrow otherwise.

And look - you've already rendered my strong mode useless. I will now not catch any more scum out in fakeclaims, since they can now all just claim anything non-vanilla, and I'll have to suck it up and buy it. Congratulations. Wanna do the same to my weak mode? Or is it now time to accept that actually I do know what I'm talking about - and when I say it's not in town's best interests to force me to claim, it is NOT in town's best interests to force me to claim.

Why don't you just chill out, reread, and stop trying to out me at all costs. Idiot.

[boberz]

I will out you at all costs. Your strong mode is not useless, it means their fakeclaims have to be cooked up and amde more complicated, therefore we will have more chance to catch them out. Has it crossed your mind that scum might have already been able to work out what you do exactly. Your role is not 'yours' it does not belong to you it belongs to town this means that you should do what is best for town.

You have realised that we are stuck on you slightly yet you stubbornly refuse to help. Full claim now.

Am I tunnelling you, no. I know exactly who I am on tommorow if you are not scum.

vote dybeck

[boberz]

Btw you are very inconsistent. You accuse me of making you ineffectual, but also claim you are the only player who can stop them winning this game.

Do you believe that if town win this game and you are dead you win?

[Espeonage]

WARNING: Set-up WIFOM post. Sue me.

Ok lets look at this reasonably. No counter invesigative role has come up except for the Hider. ABR has claimed his claim was fake. If he lied about it being a fake claim he really needs to voice it. Now, Looking at the size of the game it would make sense that there would be some other form of investigative role in the game. Also look at the amount of non powered roles have been outed so far. This indicates that there can't be that many scum powers and the remaining towns should have one or maybe two power roles. All things considered game balance-wise Dybeck's claim makes perfect sense.