boberz, Post 2225 wrote:Javert wrote: Note: It also occurred to me that curiouskarmadog just asked today if anybody had any information that might help verify Shanba's claim. Yet dybeck remained silent. Now he claims that he had information as early as Day Five.
I think I missed this, what exactly are you talking about here?
Actually, retract this point. I was going off of memory, and of course whenever I do that I end up being flatly wrong. curiouskarmadog indeed asked in Post 2164, but dybeck actually claimed all his targets and results (including his Shanba result) just a couple posts later. That is the polar opposite of "remained silent."
Shanba, Post 2224 wrote:How is being stubborn an sktell, particularly? The idea of threading the needle between scumminess and towniness sure, I can see that that would be an sktell, but how is stubbornness contributing to that?
In this case, being stubborn serves a number of purposes for dybeck: it lengthens the Day (which definitely helps scum, as evidenced by our No Lynch yesterday), it lets him get away with a partial claim so he can give more thought to how he will claim his full role, and it obviously makes him look scummy while he claims results "clearing" two players which gives him town cred, especially if the players he cleared are actually Town. Stubbornness is not a "sktell"
per se
, but right now it is serving all of the purposes a Serial Killer would want from dybeck's position. Really, it is Shanba's
overall
play that makes me feel like he is a Serial Killer, not any one particular tell. The biggest indicator in my mind is the early-game dybeck-Sando positioning, though.
Also, to address boberz, claiming two innocent results makes a good deal of sense (as any scum role) if you think about it. First, if dybeck claims a guilty result and ends up being wrong, he will be lynched or nightkilled -- so in that sense, he is restricted to innocent results, even more so if he is the only player of his faction as then he cannot afford to be lynched. (Note how his claim will never actually get a "guilty" result unless somebody contradicts his claims). Second, he makes it very likely that the players he claims innocent results on will not vote for him, because it feels lovely to be "vouched for" by a claimed investigative role -- and note this is true even if he claims an innocent result on a player who is actually scum. Third, it paints alternative night-kills for an opposing scum team (making it more likely he will survive the night). And fourth, scum are probably best off today trying to lynch the opposing scum-team, so scum have a large incentive to avoid a mislynch if they can, especially this late in the game. Claiming innocent results necessarily retracts the field of who can be lynched, which is to any scum's advantage if they can avoid the lynch themselves.
