Mini 983: It Got Worse (GAME OVER)

[Ythan]

Unrelated. The mod will not reveal to me whether my replacement would share my win condition. I don't think he had considered using a different one until I brought it up, given that the replacement was meant to make up for my absence d1. That being said, unless he decided to actually change the nature of my role mid-game, I think it is most likely that my replacement will be town.

[sykedoc]

Vote Count:

Ythan (1): SaintKerrigan

4 to kill

Election:

Ythan: 2
LlamaFluff: 2

First to 5 votes is elected
or Majority by day's end

Point Count:

Llamafluff: 2
SaintKerrigan: 2
SpyreX: 1
Amished: 1

WHY WOULD 4NYON3 3L3CT YTH4N? H3 R33K5 OF 1NEFF3CT1V3N355

One might assume those who voted for Ythan disagree.

Ils viennent me chercher, HAHA!

[Ythan]

I like syke more post-avatar-change. Other mods who still think leet is cool and may or may not in fact actually be real less so.

[sykedoc]

I like syke more post-avatar-change. Other mods who still think leet is cool and may or may not in fact actually be real less so.

I assume you recognize my avatar?

Also was this a reference to general me or one of the colors?

[Ythan]

I was under the impression that one player would receive a gift each night. Input please.

[sykedoc]

I was under the impression that one player would receive a gift each night. Input please.

Who is this directed at?

[Ythan]

I assumed you would not answer so I directed it at my fellow players.

[SaintKerrigan]

Your case is idiotic. I don't need to defend myself because neither your accusation nor your pretended surety actually have any basis in reality.

You can try to cover it up by throwing a lot of mud at my case, but the fact remains: you are still refusing to answer a perfectly valid question. How exactly is this town behavior, Ythan? Considering that I am, in fact, your only suspect (which is disturbing in and of itself), your lack of voting me and your refusal to explain why is completely irrational from a town point of view.

Once again: Why haven't you been voting me?

And by the way, I have two examples of scum not voting on "confirmed scum" suspects. My case is perfectly based in reality.

@ Everyone: Why is Ythan not scummy?

[Ythan]

I'm not trying to cover anything up. There is nothing to cover up. You have a stupid case that does not need to be refuted because there is nothing to refute. It is not even a case in the sense that it contains evidence implicating me of anything. And now you're asking other players why I'm not scummy. You are really bad at whatever faction you are playing and are floundering because pro-town play is contrary to your win condition and you don't know how to fake it.

[SaintKerrigan]

I'm not trying to cover anything up. There is nothing to cover up. You have a stupid case that does not need to be refuted because there is nothing to refute. It is not even a case in the sense that it contains evidence implicating me of anything. And now you're asking other players why I'm not scummy. You are really bad at whatever faction you are playing and are floundering because pro-town play is contrary to your win condition and you don't know how to fake it.

You still aren't answering the question. On top of that, you resort to insults to belittle my case so you can justify not answering my question. Don't worry, though, I won't stop asking the question until you actually answer it. I'll make sure people don't ignore your behavior. That's why I asked them why they don't think you're scummy.

[Ythan]

I'm insulting you because you are being stupid.

[SaintKerrigan]

I'm insulting you because you are being stupid.

Thanks for the kind words of love.

You still aren't answering the question.

[Ythan]

That's because I don't care about your pointless question other than that it has provided you an opportunity to scream out how obviously scum you are.

[RedCoyote]

Elect: LlamaFluff

Best bet for "someone I trust" atm.

I'll brb though because I want to see if the PM in my inbox is from the Mod.

[SaintKerrigan]

That's because I don't care about your pointless question other than that it has provided you an opportunity to scream out how obviously scum you are.

How exactly does asking you why you aren't voting for me make me obvious scum?

For the rest of you, let me put it in layman's terms why Ythan not voting for me is antitown in the scummy kind of way. When a townsperson thinks beyond all doubt that someone is scum, what do they typically do? They vote for them, that's what. When they don't do that, they have a really good, compelling reason not to. Under no circumstance except complete idiocy does a townsperson withhold a vote on someone they think is scum without good reason. Scum, however, have been known to do just that. Why they do it, who knows (they aren't keen on giving me that data), but they have done it before.

That's why this non-voting tell is so important. I've never seen town do what Ythan is doing, and I can't think of any hypothetical reason why Ythan-town is behaving in this manner, except if he is deliberately being a sycophantic jackass for the heck of it. Thus, Ythan is not town. That's why he needs to die, pronto.

[sykedoc]

Children, calm down.

Electoral Update!

LlamaFluff leads Ythan by 1 Vote.
Llamafluff: 3
Ythan: 2

SPS is prodded

[Ythan]

SK you idiot. I never said you're obv scum because you're asking me that question. Is that just

another

misrep? You're not convincing anyone, notice, and with good reason.

You're pushing flawed logic.

I started not voting you because I hadn't gotten around to it and a lynch didn't seem to be coming on. Now I'm not voting you because it's providing you an opportunity to flail uncontrollably and show how terribly opportunistic you are in your attempt to build some sort of case on me. And because trololololo lololo lolololl.

[RedCoyote]

Amish was the first to mention a gift, which, I think, is a good sign. Ythan was second, and then Spyrex tried to jump aboard (you have to think it starts to lose anything at this point as the scum could've gotten wind of what was going on). Going off the idea that gifts are only for town, which, granted, could be a complete red herring, gives Amish and Ythan a bit more town creditability. This coupled with a little wagon analysis from yesterday's lynch leads me to believe that Spyrex still has to be scum. Since apparently we can only vote once, I'll probably hold back a few days, but I feel very comfortable about that read.

SK burning his vote so early has to shoot up some red flags. I know he's not happy with Ythan, but that's a bold move to make. I just don't sense Ythan as a top-tier lynch candidate (I think I would be more likely to be lynched than Ythan). Additionally, if Amish says he isn't happy with SK, I'm inclined to think he probably has more knowledge than we do given his night actions.

I think I'd like to see one of these two go down.

[Ythan]

Have you just noticed that SK considers me obv scum for stupid reasons and has been doing so for a long long time?

[Ythan]

Also there's the possibility that only I got a gift and Spyre is buddies with Amish covering for him.

[SaintKerrigan]

So, once I provide the logic for why Ythan not voting me is scummy, guess what he does? Comes out with the answer to the question he's spent the last few posts deliberately not answering. Uh huh.

Your great reason for not voting for me, despite outright calling me scum and calling virulently for my lynch, is because you hadn't gotten around to it? C'mon, really? You spent most of your posts calling me scum, and yet you couldn't take the little bit of time to include a vote for me in any of them? Yeah, I'm definitely not buying it.

Incidentally, if I'm being opportunistic, why am I going after a target that people don't seem inclined to lynch? Isn't that kinda the opposite of opportunistic?

Also:

That's because I don't care about your pointless question other than that it has provided you an opportunity to scream out how obviously scum you are.

You quite explicitly say that the question is providing me with an opportunity to scream how obviously scum I am. Unless you have a screwed-up variation on the English language, that's saying my question makes me obvious scum. Try again, please.

Preview Edit: @ RC: If you've read my explanation for why Ythan's action make him scum and still don't get it, I'm not sure what else I can say that hasn't already been said.

[Ythan]

You fail. Since you're just repeating the same stupid shit at this point I'm done reiterating for you.

[SpyreX]

Also there's the possibility that only I got a gift and Spyre is buddies with Amish covering for him.

Wooo between you and RC and gift-gate this is gonna be awesome.

While I'm not going to spoil what my awesome gift does I will say this: its fairly confirmable. DOUBLY so if its partner is in the hands of town. The problem is I have a feeling its a counter to either a scum-gift or a scum-power.

However since I see the good ol fashioned slap fight of eye glazing again lets just go ahead and

Elect: Llama

NOW, lets try this a different way:

Go ahead and nice simple bullet point each other you two versus a page of U NO U.

[Ythan]

Nope.

[SaintKerrigan]

For everyone else's convenience (since I think Spyrex is scumbuddies with Ythan so he's not really going to care about this):

Why Ythan is Scum

- He's has done almost no scumhunting at all in this game, period.
- He spends most of his posts calling me scum, yet refrains from voting for me in spite of this.

Spoiler: This is why this is scummy.

For the rest of you, let me put it in layman's terms why Ythan not voting for me is antitown in the scummy kind of way. When a townsperson thinks beyond all doubt that someone is scum, what do they typically do? They vote for them, that's what. When they don't do that, they have a really good, compelling reason not to. Under no circumstance except complete idiocy does a townsperson withhold a vote on someone they think is scum without good reason. Scum, however, have been known to do just that. Why they do it, who knows (they aren't keen on giving me that data), but they have done it before.

That's why this non-voting tell is so important. I've never seen town do what Ythan is doing, and I can't think of any hypothetical reason why Ythan-town is behaving in this manner, except if he is deliberately being a sycophantic jackass for the heck of it. Thus, Ythan is not town. That's why he needs to die, pronto.

- He spends multiple posts ignoring a simple question: Why aren't you voting me if you think I'm positively scum?
- Once he finally gives his reasons for why he isn't voting me, they are subpar and hardly believable.

Spoiler: His reasons for not voting me.

I started not voting you because I hadn't gotten around to it and a lynch didn't seem to be coming on. Now I'm not voting you because it's providing you an opportunity to flail uncontrollably and show how terribly opportunistic you are in your attempt to build some sort of case on me. And because trololololo lololo lolololl.

And there you have it.

*waits for the next choreographed Ythan insult*